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00:00i remember talking to james like one of the first days like you guys you guys figure out how to
00:05use
00:05the stage yet i was like not really he's like yeah i'm still trying to figure it out myself you
00:09know
00:10rock metal frog and everything in between welcome to this episode of talk and rock with meltdown
00:17don't forget to follow the audio only talk and rock podcast on all podcast platforms
00:22and now it's time for today's conversation here's meltdown it's meltdown here in the studio i got
00:28my special horror movie t-shirt on because i have a special guest spencer charnas from ice nine kills
00:34was nice enough to uh come in studio and join us how you doing brother i'm doing great man thanks
00:38for having me so um what was the last i wanted to ask you about all this stuff when we
00:43were walking
00:43up here but i'm going to ask you now since the camera's around what's the last horror movie you
00:46saw in a theater last horror movie i saw in the theater was ready or not 2 that just came
00:51out
00:51amazing movie i love the first one and uh grave digler my father's band from the 80s actually
00:58did the song for uh ready or not too we and ice nine kills did a cover version of it
01:04so
01:04it was fantastic it was that and scream seven right both songs uh both movies rather we had a song
01:10in
01:10so yeah that was the last one i saw too i actually just saw it like um i don't know
01:14monday or something
01:15but uh um i just watched um they're they're gonna kill you is that uh they will kill you
01:21have you seen that one yet no no i haven't seen that one that one's pretty wild uh dolly
01:27i heard good things about dolly someone just told me about yeah that was a wild one too i thought
01:32that
01:32was pretty decent um my favorite movie this year though was uh send help have you seen that i haven't
01:37i know i know it's uh ramey it's the evil dead guy yeah i heard it was fantastic and also
01:43um i thought
01:44that the uh the new um uh 28 years later was good there's a scene in there where they use
01:50the
01:50entire song from iron maiden's number the beast which is one of the most amazing rock scenes i've
01:55ever seen the last one i saw was the one that came out about a year ago a lot of
01:59male nudity
02:00right there's the same in this one same in this one yeah so i'll be going back i'm gonna go
02:04there
02:04right after this interview then well that that this movie uh takes this movie starts right where that
02:09one left off oh perfect yeah it ends right on the male nudity and then it starts right there
02:14you know kind of sort of yeah with all the uh the zombies with the zombies yeah i will i
02:18love the
02:18original 28 28 days later was incredible yeah so let's talk about this uh this grave diggler thing uh
02:25hell or high slaughter from the uh ready or not too um i saw the video i mean i i
02:31couldn't quite place
02:32it it's reminiscent of something you know i it's it's funny my dad and i have been estranged for quite
02:39some time but uh i think music has always been in my blood because of grave diggler and what he
02:44did
02:44for that scene they don't always get the credit a lot of people talk about they don't get any credit
02:49well they they're starting to now you know but people talk about motley crew and poison but it was
02:53really grave diggler that put that scene on the map for me and uh the documentary that we're working
03:00on right now uh we're putting it together with uh some of the guys that did super troopers
03:04uh the broken lizard crew and their big diggler heads you know and uh i think you know a lot
03:10of
03:10stuff is going to come to light and it's very exciting we're getting great interviews i just
03:14met with uh bobby brown from the cherry pie video a couple weeks a couple weeks ago and uh there's
03:22a
03:22lot of exciting stuff coming in the grave diggler world so be on the lookout for it i always thought
03:26that danger kitty was really the band that put that music on the map do you remember them
03:30no i don't listen to german music usually the scorpions didn't do anything for you then
03:36oh well you know what they're the exception them and rammstein they're the exception okay and whoever
03:41sang 99 red balloons i did like that song yeah yeah um what was what was her name well goldfinger
03:47did a great cover of it but the original was by nina okay i knew there was a double letter
03:53in
03:53there somewhere like lulu or nina right yeah um no that's cool so that's awesome yeah and then
03:59the the video it's funny because i did read uh uh chelsea rebecca i guess from this uh dead meat
04:04she said there was uh as far as the not not not safe for work video she said there was
04:08too many
04:08boobs i just can't wrap my head around that yeah well you you shouldn't wrap your head around boobs
04:14too much unless you're in a grave diggler right uh but yeah she was she was very offended by it
04:19she's a lovely lady we're friends with uh her and uh her husband dead me james they do these great
04:25kill count videos on youtube but yeah she wasn't really a fan of the diggler you know what the
04:29diggler is not for everybody not for everybody not for everybody no it's not for the faint of heart
04:33right exactly i love in the one trailer i didn't realize this but they were you you talk about how
04:38they were really at the center of of it all and they did the pentagon uh the pentagram drawing the
04:44pentagon the pentagon one too but the pentagram one was really the one that i really noticed but uh
04:49yeah that was uh that was quite something actually yeah they were they drew the map and and a lot
04:53of
04:53people considered them the cartographers of uh the cartographers that's right yeah matt pinfield
04:59uh went on a whole rant about he's a huge diggler fan if you know matt i do yeah he
05:03you know he won't
05:04he won't shut up about them frankly he just texted me again yeah you can never get that guy to
05:10stop
05:10texting he's the best um so scream seven yeah twisted the knife was uh used in that one i have
05:15to admit i
05:15wasn't a fan of that movie but i did like the uh the song being used in the at the
05:19end of it and stuff
05:19but thank you so much yeah you know i i've been a big scream fan since i was a little
05:24kid it was the
05:25first uh horror movie slasher movie i saw in the theater and it just it blew my mind i've been
05:30a huge fan
05:31ever since and i really liked the new one i thought that it it really paid tribute to all the
05:36ones that
05:36came before it but it was darker and um you know the the movies as they progressively as they went
05:44on
05:44progressively it was more meta and meta and it got a little bit like a little bit of a one
05:49trick pony
05:50yeah and this one i feel like was just a hardened cold slasher movie and that's why i really liked
05:57it
05:57i wasn't looking for citizen kane i was looking for ghostface to come and cut up a bunch of people
06:03you know one of the best slasher movies i saw last year maybe one of the goofier ones was the
06:07monkey i
06:08thought that one was great did you see that movie i did see that movie actually interviewed um oz perkins
06:14who directed it um i hosted a screening of it i got to interview him he's a fascinating guy his
06:21father
06:21was anthony perkins from psycho and uh i thought it was a great movie to me my favorite things ever
06:29are horror and comedy and when you can blend them perfectly that to me that that's that's the best
06:37kind of film yeah when somebody said or i read somewhere that the uh the kills were reminiscent
06:41uh reminiscent of ren and stimpy i thought that's it right there right it's sort of uh almost a
06:47cartoonish kind of killing spree but it was cool yeah the last scene and the school bus and whatnot
06:53we'll leave it for everybody else to us see but uh i thought that movie was great and of course
06:58you
06:58know with with eistein kills that and your videos i mean i think i've talked to you about this before
07:02but your videos i mean it's kind of silly to say when you when you say it out out loud
07:06but
07:06they are short movies and i mean that's kind of what you're into you're like a cinematic
07:12theatrical kind of guy i've always my two greatest loves have always been music and film and the fact
07:19that we get to sort of blend those worlds and i get to pretend i'm a you know a director
07:24a writer
07:25actor it's a ton of fun and i hope that we uh we keep getting to do these things for
07:31for a long time
07:33and we're working on our own film the slash yeah so tell me about that i have i have that
07:37written
07:37down as well so what's going on with that so i i brought up my super troopers friends a little
07:41while ago paul soter he's the meow guy you know yeah yeah listen meow uh him and i became friends
07:47at
07:47at a convention um and we hit it off and i had had this idea for a slasher movie and
07:56you know you
07:56think about the 80s slashers and a lot of people say that michael myers and jason and freddie really
08:02these guys are the hands of god coming down to punish these kids for their sins and i always thought
08:07well that's cool but there's never been a slasher movie where someone dressed as jesus or jesus was the
08:13murderer so um you know i told my family this idea and they said you're absolutely an idiot for
08:19thinking of this but uh we wrote this script and and greg nicotero who you know he was very
08:25uh pivotal on the success of the walking dead and executive produced that and directed many episodes
08:31and formed can be special effects which has done everything from you know all the tarantino movies to
08:36scream he got a hold of the script he's i love this i want to produce it so we're making
08:41this movie
08:42and we're very excited about it so when does that start to film or whatever we're in pre-production
08:46right now we're we're location scouting and um you know i hope i hope to have it out maybe a
08:52a couple easters from now the slashing of christ the slashing of the christ that's right and it's
08:59it's funny because uh i can't think of any easter movies you know thanksgiving movies as well like
09:03planes trains and automobiles were my favorite but then thanksgiving came out right and that's kind of
09:08like a little bit screamish i i suppose but and then then and then of course you know art the
09:12clown comes out now we got a christmas classic right right i mean christmas horror has been
09:18a favorite sub-genre of mine for a long time you go back to black christmas black christmas which was
09:24uh a movie that came out even before halloween and was actually really influential to halloween if you
09:29go back and watch that movie you know you're in the killer's point of view pov so that one was
09:35um
09:35very influential and then silent night deadly night yes incredible and at astronomicon where
09:41i'm going to be this weekend which is our convention pop culture convention the killers from
09:46silent night deadly night will be there oh that's eric freeman and robert brian wilson
09:51and speaking of uh from a killer's point of view did you see uh in a violent nature last year
09:55i did i
09:56saw part of it um i thought it was really cool that the one kill where he puts the woman's
10:02head
10:02through her own the kills were unbelievable yeah yeah it was it was a novel idea for film
10:08it was slow but it was it was uh wild oh yeah i think that that i guess that was
10:14the point right
10:15that you've never seen a slasher movie from their perspective you know what do they do when what does
10:21michael myers do when he's not you know putting a sheet over his head and killing a woman or
10:26hiding in a in a backseat of car you kind of see what jason or michael would be doing and
10:30in the
10:30interim now to me some of the scariest movies that i've seen are stuff that can really happen
10:35like the texas chainsaw massacre and i know this is kind of uh probably in the horror world maybe a
10:40little bit uh a little bit of a hack but it's like that to me really just epitomizes the scariness
10:47like some of the rob zombie movies especially the first two uh what are what are some of your
10:51favorites like it's like like like like freddy's like nightmare stuff and it's like i don't know if
10:56that could really happen of course those movies very entertaining ones that feel real you mean
10:59yeah uh you know when i saw the blair witch project i saw it in the theater i was i
11:05guess i
11:05was probably like 12 or something and and the the word on the street is that they didn't you didn't
11:11know if it was real or not because the marketing of that film was so brilliant you know they did
11:15like
11:15um a documentary on like a legitimate channel like history channel or something um the weekend before
11:23the movie came out which talked about this um legend of the blair witch as if it was real
11:28and as if these these three hikers or documentarians rather went missing so when we saw it i saw it
11:36summer camp with my friends i was like is this is this freaking real and it was it was terrifying
11:41yeah that's the found footage type films then i saw that movie theater in the theater of myself
11:46or the pack theater and then it ends and everyone's like what's going on yeah like nobody knew what's
11:52happening it was great it was kind of like one of those things where your imagination can come up
11:56with something scarier than whatever the craziest special effects guys can produce and it was that
12:02mixed with the marketing of it that was was really um unsettling yeah that was um that was a great
12:08movie um so let's talk about music here a little bit you know you did all those tours with uh
12:13with
12:13metallica um looking back on that tell me tell me some of your thoughts about touring with a band like
12:19that i mean that must have been incredible that was amazing man uh if you go back to
12:24my love of music since i was a little kid you know you got nirvana and you got metallica and
12:29those were two of like the bands that really got me into wanting to play guitar and wanting to learn
12:34how to play you know either smells like teen spirit or master puppets or something like that so
12:40i'd always been a huge fan of theirs i went to see them in 97 um with my dad we
12:46went to the boston
12:48garden on like i think it was probably the must have been like one of the load album cycles
12:51yeah load load yeah yeah concert blew my mind i'm i can close my eyes and and visualize being
12:57there like i remember it so vividly that was the one where the stage fell apart that was the one
13:02where it was still the circular stage but there was like something happened where like a crew member
13:07it was on fire or something and like you didn't know if it was real or not and it's kind
13:13of funny
13:13because um you know i i went to that show you know not not too far after um i went
13:19to uh see scream so
13:21it was like my love of horror being birthed as well as my love of of metal so getting the
13:27call to do
13:27to do that you know the first show in vegas which was just one show at a legion you know
13:33if it all
13:34ended there would have been incredible um and then just getting the call more and more and more and
13:38then to do the full the full world tour was incredible the band and the crew and the whole
13:44team treated us great and uh was you know some of the most incredible experience of my life how many
13:50how many shows did you open for them do you remember you recall it's got to be in the neighborhood
13:54of
13:54like 50 or something okay well all over the world you know i just talked to maynard keenan james
13:59keenan the other day and um you know he's a he's a self-admitted self-doubter right and i said
14:03do you
14:03ever get stage fright he goes i'm terrified do you ever get stage fright i mean sometimes you know
14:08it's funny it's sometimes it's not like the biggest shows that give you stage fright but uh
14:13you know sometimes the smaller intimate ones when you're used to playing in stadiums or arenas and
14:18then you go to a smaller one you're like i'm kind of a little nervous but once the once the
14:22first
14:22song kicks in and kids are singing the words it's yeah you forget all about yeah it's like getting
14:28that first hit when you're playing sports or something but you're right because when you when
14:32you go on it like i've been on stage like not obviously that that you know what like what you
14:36do but
14:36when you go on stage you talk to a massive crowd it's faceless right right and when you talk to
14:41a
14:41crowd where you can see everybody it's more it's more scary absolutely it's it's interesting how that
14:45works but uh you know it took us a little while to get our sea legs especially with a stage
14:50like that
14:50that's so unusual it's like a big donut right right and um were you allowed to use all of it
14:56yeah they
14:56let us do whatever we want to basically and um you know i think the first few times i was
15:03like man
15:03i'm getting winded i'm trying to run around this thing because you're at a stadium you're like wow
15:07i gotta really put on this show there's so many people here i gotta work you know 150 of my
15:14energy
15:14but what you realize is you know the the the the video monitors when you're in that vast that large
15:21scale of a venue they do that they do a lot of the work i was gonna say yeah you
15:25don't have to run
15:26around like a crazy person smaller steps and you know can sometimes play bigger on camera it's just
15:33feeling it out did the guys from metallica give you any advice or did you just kind of go to
15:36your
15:36shows and i i mean i i remember talking to james like one of the first days like you guys
15:41you guys
15:42figure out how to use the stage yet i was like not really he's like yeah still trying to figure
15:46it
15:46out myself you know but yeah but but yeah they're they're pros and they still sound and and and put
15:53on
15:53such a a fantastic show i have to imagine if james said you know it'd be a good idea go
15:57up there
15:58stick pencils in your ears and just run around like a chicken you'd probably go that's a great
16:01idea i probably would right because he knows he knows i'll follow that guy at the end of the earth
16:06right exactly now that must have been a great tour i think i saw it i want to say i
16:09saw you guys
16:10of course here then i saw you in pittsburgh as well right with uh we're with uh right at the
16:16baseball field yeah yeah where the parents play i was at that show and i'm trying to remember if i
16:20saw
16:20that uh did you guys play the buffalo show too yep yeah that was right before the pittsburgh one
16:24if i'm not mistaken yep that's right um so i i read a i i saw an interview recently um
16:29so you
16:30consider yourself a perfectionist i would say so probably to an annoying degree as most perfectionists
16:38are uh you know that usually comes down to like notes for producers for songs or when i'm editing
16:45our videos i i um i consider myself a perfectionist you think it's because you know you're you're so
16:51cinematic and you know you got this theatrical kind of uh tinge and you know what you want in
16:55your head yeah i mean i think i'm the only the only things i'm a perfectionist with our work
17:00you know what i mean if i'm making an egg you know it doesn't have to be perfect it can
17:03be very
17:04messy the yolk everywhere but if you're editing a video or working on this grave diggler documentary
17:11you're twisting the knife i'm very meticulous about every cue has to be right this sound isn't right
17:17we need a different take here yeah so and so as far you know so that's with grave diggler i
17:22mean but
17:23ice nine kills what i mean where's that stand right now what do you got going on we're working on
17:27a lot
17:28of new music we just uh we just released two songs in the last like i don't know six weeks
17:34with
17:34twisting knife and and uh hell or high slaughter with grave diggler working on a bunch of new songs
17:40um getting ready to go out on the road doing um a bunch of the festivals this uh you can
17:46be doing
17:46the danny winler stuff we always love doing that guy's festivals he's great and then we're out uh in
17:52june all over europe doing those festivals like you know download fest and a bunch of headlining
17:58stuff and then august um we're going out on on some other shows haven't been announced yet
18:04then september we're in australia with um electric cowboy which should be pretty cool playing arenas
18:11over there all right well i'll tell you what uh spencer last thing here for you and we'll cut
18:15you loose we appreciate all your time and of course all your great work like i said i'm a fan
18:18and uh george knows about this because he was with us but have you ever had a paranormal experience
18:25because i did with the guys from a funeral portrait i'll play the video you know later
18:30when we're done but it was insane go ahead so the one thing that i i can i can remember
18:37um as i said
18:39i'm a huge nirvana fan and my girlfriend and i were at um we're in seattle i think actually we
18:47we
18:48might have been when we were in playing with metallica in seattle and we we checked out uh kurt
18:53cobain's house he lives in you know right on the right on the lake beautiful beautiful area
18:58and there's um a park bench next to his house that's kind of become like a unofficial memorial
19:06for me you know people drop off notes and stuff and i dropped off a guitar pick and i was
19:12recording
19:12with my phone um i was recording just the the lawn and and something really strange
19:19happened with um the recording of the video it went like it kind of like glitched out and i went
19:25back and i paused it and to me and maybe i'm crazy and i'm reading into it but when i
19:31paused it i saw
19:32like a figure when i when i paused the video and i'll show you after okay it looked like the
19:37grim reaper
19:37to me and it could have just obviously just been me being an idiot but did you ever post it
19:43online
19:43for people to no no i never even really talked about it um but i don't know i like to
19:49think it
19:49was kurt saying hey how are you um because i'm just such a admire admirer of his and i i
19:57probably
19:58wouldn't be sitting here talking about music if it wasn't for kurt nirvana was that your gateway
20:03absolutely i saw smells like teen spirit video i was like i want to do that that guy that's so
20:09funny
20:09because we were we were walking in here i told you the first video i ever saw was rat running
20:13around
20:13and it got seen in jersey you know talking about grave diggler and how he was inspired by them
20:18he's a great he wasn't really inspired by them steven you know rat's a fantastic band i think
20:23rat and you know steven and my dad sonny you know they butted heads let's just leave it at that
20:30well we'll leave it at that spencer uh good luck with everything here with the eisnein kills and
20:35from boston when we get off i'll have to tell you about my trip to salem last year
20:38oh nice man well thanks for having me and thanks for playing the songs we appreciate it
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