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Craig Carton and Chris McMonigle are joined by Front Office Sports reporter Ryan Glasspiegel to break down the shocking resignation of Dianna Russini from The Athletic.
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00:00Ryan Glasspiegel, who's over at Front Office Sports now, if, I don't know, his whole resume,
00:05I think he was at the Post for a minute or a couple minutes and then, I don't know.
00:09Three years, lots of minutes.
00:10Three years.
00:11Three years of him attacking me, I remember that.
00:16That is inaccurate.
00:18By the way, I'll get, we'll deal with that a little bit later on, don't worry.
00:22Good to have this, Ryan Glasspiegel, Front Office Sports, happy that I'm here and, you know,
00:25the time he obviously works out.
00:27I feel sorry for Diana Rossini, of course, as she announces she's resigning from the Athletics.
00:33She had a couple months left on her contract.
00:35First, let me just give you an opportunity, Ryan, as a guy that covers sports media for a living,
00:40amongst other things, you're just kind of global 30,000 for view of the announcement that came a few moments
00:46ago.
00:46Go ahead.
00:47Yeah, I think, I mean, pretty much the moment that that Page Six story dropped,
00:52it was just highly unlikely that she was going to keep her job at the Athletic.
00:57It's, you know, it's a place owned by the New York Times and that comes with a different set of
01:04rules
01:04than basically anybody else has to follow.
01:08And just same as you, like, you know, even though she put herself and Rabel put himself in a very
01:15tough spot,
01:16especially in their personal lives, my first feeling was, oh my God, I feel terrible for them.
01:21Like, you know, it became such like a feeding frenzy and I'm not immune to that.
01:27I covered the story too, but it just seemed like, you know, they spent a night together at a hotel
01:36in Arizona.
01:37Now, literally, it's just the butt of everybody's jokes.
01:40She's losing her job.
01:43I don't think it's something she can never rebound from, but it's going to take just a lot of time
01:48and effort.
01:49Yeah, look, I'm sitting here as a guy with second chances.
01:52So there will be a brighter day for her.
01:55She's a talented reporter.
01:56It's not going to be tomorrow.
01:57It might not be this football season, but I don't think her life comes to an end because of this.
02:01So as embarrassing as it is, I got the sense early on, because I do follow you, as I think
02:07you know,
02:09that you seem, and if I'm wrong, please tell me I'm wrong.
02:12You seemed somewhat reluctant early on to write about it.
02:17And I got the sense that there's a lot of people in the media, sports media, obviously,
02:22that seemed reluctant even to this day to even comment on it.
02:26And I was interested in that.
02:28And I wonder if I'm right, A, and B, why?
02:32You are right.
02:33And I said I was reluctant to weigh in on having kind of any opinions on it.
02:38But I mean, so I don't want to, like, overstate anything.
02:41I've talked to Diana probably two or three times.
02:44I think all the times that I've spoken to her were, you know, interviews for stories or on my podcast
02:50that I used to have way back.
02:52But, you know, she's friendly.
02:56She's nice to people.
02:57And I think that when you've had positive experiences with somebody, it makes you more reluctant to cover the, like,
03:07really sad stories that involve them.
03:10And I think that, you know, that's a big reason why you're not seeing people, like, there are a lot
03:17of people at ESPN who are probably you're thinking of at the top of your head who would have waited
03:22and been jackals on this story if it involves somebody that they weren't friendly with.
03:27But because it's somebody that they have a good relationship with and they've known for years, they have just, you
03:33know, let this one pass them by.
03:35Yeah, it's interesting because, look, she was highly regarded as one of the top NFL insiders.
03:41And I don't think anyone could argue this point with me, Ryan, that in the last, let's say, week and
03:46a half, it's the biggest story in football, maybe in sports.
03:50And maybe I'm taking a little leeway there by saying that.
03:55But the fact that ESPN has not acknowledged it's ever happened, obviously no one at the Athletics is going to
04:00write about it.
04:01And they obviously have a guy that covers sports media there who loves writing about this kind of stuff.
04:07You know, probably wrote 30 articles about me when I got in trouble, as you did as well.
04:11And I just thought it was interesting that you either do that for a living or you don't.
04:16And when you get into this business, I thought, whatever comes my way, I'm going to comment on it, right?
04:23And with her, and I agree with you, it's because she is very likable, has a lot of friends in
04:28media.
04:29It's almost like we saw firsthand in real time members of the media who have no problem at all going
04:35after some people deciding to treat her with kid gloves or no gloves at all.
04:41And I thought that was pretty interesting.
04:43Well, OK, I'll take that piece by piece.
04:45ESPN did publish a story about it on Friday night.
04:49Ben Strauss, who came over from the Washington Post, he wrote a story that she was under investigation.
04:55You have not seen them discuss it on their airwaves.
04:58You have not seen, you know, some of any of their football analysts tweet about it.
05:02But they did.
05:03They did cover it.
05:05The Athletic.
05:06I don't know that they're I think Andrew would have written about this if it didn't involve literally a direct
05:13colleague.
05:13The New York Times media section covered it instead.
05:17It's impossible to run a double blind experiment.
05:21So I don't know.
05:22We'll have to just it's going to be we're going to go to our graves with that one as a
05:26mystery.
05:27Yes, there's a double standard that when people know and like people, they are reluctant to cover them as aggressively.
05:35I think that that is true amongst people who cover, you know, athletes.
05:39And I think it's true amongst people who cover coaches.
05:42And it's true amongst people that cover the media.
05:45Talking around glass, people.
05:47You know, that's a it's a fair that's a it's a fair charge.
05:51I think if you want to say that the media as this, you know, big institution, obviously, it's made up
05:58of a lot of individual outlets and individual people.
06:01But if you want to say that media members go easier on people that they know and like, I think
06:07that it's probably human nature as well.
06:11Right.
06:11You forge relationships with people.
06:13If those people are you put themselves in harm's way, it's it's kind of a tough call for some people.
06:18I got to do my job.
06:19But at the same time, I know you personally.
06:22I like you.
06:22Am I going to do the same, give you the same treatment I give somebody maybe I don't personally like
06:28or have a relationship with?
06:29The totally fair human nature doesn't mean the coverage has been right, but I totally understand what you're saying, Ryan.
06:35And I appreciate that.
06:36I don't think she's been treated with kid gloves.
06:38I mean, I don't think any of us would want to go and trade places with her for the week
06:42last week and a half.
06:43Now, granted, there are some people who have pulled punches.
06:46You know, another aspect of this is I think it seems very clear that they were like deliberately spied on
06:53it.
06:53I agree with that.
06:54And so the question kind of becomes like every time someone gets, you know, spied on and something that like
07:03I get it.
07:03They're at a resort, but they are on, you know, a balcony.
07:07Right.
07:09It's interesting if like that is news just because the people are, you know, public figures.
07:16And I covered why TMZ didn't cover the story immediately because, you know, you can say whatever you want about
07:22TMZ.
07:23They published that Kobe Bryant died in a helicopter crash before his family even knew about it.
07:29But they draw a line at originating news of extramarital affairs.
07:35They'll cover it if someone else talks about it on social media or it's broken or there's divorce docs.
07:40But they're not going to like they're not going around Beverly Hills, like taking photos of like celebrities cheating on
07:48their wives or husbands.
07:49It's just like something that they don't choose to cover first.
07:53I guess I hear you saying.
07:54But I was I got to be honest when the reports came out that this photo, the photos were being
07:58shopped for four figures, thousands of dollars.
08:00I could not believe TMZ would not.
08:03Maybe they don't hire someone to go take the picture.
08:05But I was a little taken aback that if someone offered it to them for ten thousand dollars, that wouldn't
08:09be a story TMZ would be interested in.
08:11They they hadn't decided yes or no by the time the post went with it.
08:16Got it.
08:17Got it.
08:17Talking to Ryan Glass, it was interesting that if TMZ has it right and they seem to get most things
08:23from a factual standpoint.
08:24Right.
08:24I don't know if they've ever lost a lawsuit of defamation since they were founded.
08:29That being said, it almost seems like somebody wanted to photograph Mike Vrabel.
08:34And unfortunately, for Diana Rossini, she happened to be the gal and they had no idea who she was at
08:41first.
08:41Was that kind of how you read TMZ's story as well?
08:44Yeah.
08:44So, I mean, based on my reporting, what happened, the sequence of events was like, so they have a tips
08:50inbox and someone messaged the tips inbox.
08:53I have photos of Mike Vrabel with a woman who isn't his wife.
08:58And so then they like eventually got the photos the way they do it.
09:04And I worked for the New York Post for three years, as I said before.
09:07So I knew that it was likely that they bought these photos because I got assigned stories based on photos
09:14that they bought before.
09:15And I told them I didn't like it.
09:17But the.
09:19We got to hold on a second.
09:21So an editor would come to you and say, we just purchased photos, ABC, D&E.
09:25And since we have them, now we want you to write a story about them.
09:30Yeah, like the one one that I had to do was right after Aaron Rodgers got hurt at the beginning
09:37of his Jets career.
09:38Right.
09:39They purchased photos from a paparazzi agency of like a cryo chamber getting delivered to his house.
09:46And I was like, I don't love the idea of, you know, someone photographing him into his home from the
09:53street.
09:54And I'm writing it.
09:55But, you know, it wasn't my day to run the company.
09:57And so there was like another one that I had to do where Marcus Jordan and Larsa Pippen were like
10:05holding hands at some golf outing and stop the presses, like get glass on this immediately.
10:12But, yeah, so I know that.
10:14Were you like, hey, wait a minute.
10:15I went to journalism school.
10:16Like, I actually didn't go to journalism school.
10:19I studied business.
10:20But I did think that that was beneath me and I wasn't happy about it.
10:25But I did it.
10:27And so they, yes, I knew that they bought photos.
10:32So I went and asked, you know, various other tabloids, hey, did you guys get offered these photos?
10:39And I found out, yes.
10:41And there was a guy from TMZ who confirmed that later in a response to Dave Portnoy when he's like,
10:46wait, what do you mean it's two bedroom police-y for TMZ?
10:50TMZ.
10:50Right.
10:52What did you make of her resignation announcement today?
10:56She does not come right out black and white and say the rumors about what you think happened are not
11:03true.
11:04She doesn't actually deny it.
11:05She more talks around the coverage of what we believe to be true.
11:10But I know it just came out as you were coming on with us.
11:12So I'm not sure how much time you've had to really digest it.
11:14But first blush, what do you think?
11:16Yeah, there wasn't any type of like the same type of strong denial that she had with the Post when
11:26they originally published it.
11:28And she hasn't shown any evidence to back up her statement that they were there with a group of six
11:35other people.
11:35Now, it's still like very sliver within the realm of believability.
11:40Like they could have been there with other people whose spouses they didn't know they were there or whatever.
11:46And they're just swallowing the sword so as to not expose these mysterious others.
11:52I guess that that is like a distant possibility.
11:56But yeah, I mean, she pretty much realized that if for as long as this investigation kept going, she was
12:07going to like leaks were going to keep coming out about it.
12:10And so her best move is, hey, I'm not going to come back here.
12:15Like there's no way that this is going to get resolved in a way that I keep my job.
12:19So I'm going to leave now, get on with my life and not have to worry about like ongoing series
12:26of leaks as the investigation runs.
12:29Yeah, she effectively stops people from talking about it at the level.
12:32That's what I was going to ask now that she has resigned and there is no staunch denial.
12:36How do you think the coverage of this story?
12:38Does it does it die as far as her concern?
12:40Do we pivot to more of him?
12:42Do we search for those six other people?
12:44Like, do you think how do you how do you think the reporting on this story continues now that she's
12:49resigned?
12:49You figure out kind of what comes next for her career.
12:54She's not going to just stay home and do nothing.
12:58I don't think I think I have a radio talk show host, to be honest.
13:01Well, you know, like Stu Gatz offered a seat on his show.
13:06But he doesn't get he doesn't get to decide how I heart spends their money either.
13:11Yeah, not not necessarily.
13:13But I think that, you know, look, he can make the case.
13:16This is going to be interesting.
13:18This is going to get sure.
13:20We're in the attention getting business.
13:23I think that radio is less.
13:27I don't I don't want to say like they have less character concerns, but they don't.
13:31It's not like the New York Times or whatever in terms of what they care about journalistic credibility.
13:37They care. Can you be entertaining and interesting?
13:41And I would argue that as an NFL reporter, she was entertaining and interesting.
13:46And I don't think even through all of this, like you can take lots of issues with the way she
13:51allegedly gathered information.
13:53But she delivered information that was true and interesting.
13:58And so I think that she's going to have opportunities in the audio and video space.
14:05Maybe it's not going to be a week or two from now, but I think she'll be back working sooner
14:11than people might expect.
14:13And that's probably the next element.
14:15I don't think she's getting a network job.
14:16But I think in the world of podcasts, which she could start with tomorrow, she's not going to, obviously, and
14:22the gambling companies that have readily available funds and they want clicks and eyeballs and her prediction markets now, too.
14:31Yeah.
14:31And her relationship with some people, you know, that might have opportunities that they're looking to fill.
14:36Because I think from a personality standpoint, and I'm like a radio geek, like I try to find, like, who's
14:42going to be the next great star on radio?
14:44I think she'd have a terrific radio career.
14:47She's got a great personality for it, self-deprecating humor, obviously knows her stuff when it comes to football.
14:52I'm not sure her expertise or interest in the other major sports.
14:56But I think you weather the storm, get through the summer, and while September might be too early for some
15:02people, you're going to hear her again behind a microphone.
15:05Because at the end of the day, she's talented.
15:09Now, she made a bad mistake, a life error, a judgment, and she's going to pay the piper for that,
15:14as career-wise.
15:15You know, obviously, at home, she's got issues she has to deal with now.
15:18But like I said, I'm living proof that if someone thinks you can get an audience, you will get another
15:24opportunity.
15:25And I'm blessed to have gotten mine.
15:28And I think, while right now it feels to her because I've lived it, the walls are caving in.
15:33I don't know what I'm going to do next.
15:35I've got marital issues.
15:37I've got family issues.
15:38I might have job issues.
15:40The sun will shine again, and she'll have an opportunity to redefine herself.
15:44I believe that.
15:45Absolutely.
15:46She'll get through it.
15:47I mean, you mentioned, like, podcasts.
15:49Like, you know, there's groups of, like, big podcast companies that do, like, quote, white labeling.
15:55So she can go and, like, kind of be nominally independent while other people sell her ads.
16:01And she's going to have some type of market.
16:05And then, you know, people say, okay, she's done as a reporter.
16:08That's not really up to anybody other than the audience.
16:11If she comes out in a week, two weeks, three weeks, months with some really juicy scoop that nobody else
16:18has, you think people aren't going to, you know, share it and aggregate it and say, Diana Russini reported this?
16:25Like, it's not up to anybody right now whether her reporting career is dead or not.
16:31By the way, all she needs this fall is a legitimate, newsmaking, breaking NFL story that does not involve Mike
16:38Rabele of the Patriots.
16:39I was just going to say not involving the Rabele of the Patriots.
16:41He's got to be out of it.
16:43And she's done that with the Eagles.
16:44She's done it with the Jets.
16:45A lot of teams.
16:46If she goes out there and those sources are still willing to talk to her and she's going to find
16:50that out very quickly if they are or if they're not, then she can very quickly again be thought of.
16:54As a valued voice when it comes to the NFL.
16:57I'm concerned about you, though, Ryan, if I may.
17:00Uh-oh.
17:01Are those lemons on your shirt?
17:02Yeah.
17:03They are.
17:03Is that Sicilian?
17:04Because I was in Sicily and lemons are very popular with lemons.
17:08Oh, is this like a Godfather reference?
17:10No.
17:10Every time you see citrus and dinghers around the door?
17:13It's just that.
17:14And I'm trying to figure out the.
17:15No, but I was in Sicily.
17:16They wear a lot of less like the lemon.
17:17Big lemon country.
17:18Very big lemon country.
17:20Yeah, yeah.
17:20And I'm trying to figure out the quick fake bookshelf behind you to make you look like,
17:24It's not fake.
17:26It's not fake.
17:27That's like my college dorm bookshelf.
17:29That's not a real bookshelf.
17:29Yeah, nobody fakes DVDs anymore.
17:30What do we got over there?
17:31It's a real bookshelf.
17:32I do read books.
17:33I'd like to read more of them and I'd like to read them more often.
17:36You said you were going to get to the part where you go through all the times I attacked you.
17:40Oh, yeah.
17:40You were very bad to me.
17:42You know you were.
17:43I was?
17:43Yeah.
17:44I'll give you the most recent example.
17:47What did I do that was the worst?
17:48The worst thing you did recently.
17:50Okay.
17:50All right.
17:51So I go to FS1.
17:53I'm hosting the carton show in the morning.
17:55Oh, the ratings.
17:56I wrote that the ratings were bad.
17:57That's true.
17:57I did.
17:58They were.
17:58If I may.
17:59If I may.
18:00You wrote a story about my ratings after two shows.
18:05No, it wasn't two shows.
18:06Trust me.
18:07I remember I did two shows and you said, I'm paraphrasing here because I'm not in front
18:12of me, that the ratings were so bad I was bringing the entire network down that I was
18:19now responsible for every other show on FS1 having the worst ratings they've ever had.
18:26Now, fast forward when we got the highest ratings in that time slot, which, by the way,
18:31were still not great.
18:32I'm not bragging about my ratings at all.
18:34And FS1, you know what I heard from Ryan Glass-Begel?
18:38Crickets.
18:40Nothing.
18:41But you wrote a ratings story two shows into my tenure there.
18:45I thought it.
18:45I don't think it was two shows in.
18:47That might have been a tweet.
18:48And I was living at Fox PR because I went to Fox PR and I said, I know you guys
18:54talk
18:54to Ryan.
18:54And they're like, yeah, we do.
18:56We've got stories through.
18:57And we sometimes use the post or whatever.
18:59I think it was the post at the time.
19:00Yes.
19:01You want to put stories out there.
19:02And I go, did you know that he was going to blame me for the entire network's failures?
19:08And they're like, yeah, we kind of knew that.
19:10I'm like, and you allowed it?
19:12Well, they can't allow it or not allow it.
19:15They did.
19:15I don't want to go too far into how the sausage is made.
19:18They weren't happy about it.
19:20But like, you know, the, the ratings of the ratings I wrote, when you have had good radio
19:25ratings, you used to get mad that it was me writing it instead of Marchand.
19:29Well, listen, because that outcome, every time we have good news, it's glass.
19:32And by the way, and Marchand used to cover the scoreboard.
19:35I did say that.
19:36And Marchand's excuse was, well, every time the ratings come out, I'm on vacation.
19:40Yeah.
19:41So Ryan's the guy that covers the story.
19:43I'm like, that's such nonsense.
19:45So it's good to meet you though.
19:48Yes.
19:49Yeah.
19:49Cause I know we've never met.
19:51You have texted me a few times, which I ignored those texts.
19:53Cause Ryan had the story that I was coming back before anybody, to my knowledge and reached
19:59out to me.
19:59And obviously I was not in a position to comment on it.
20:02So I ignored the text, but I do appreciate that you did reach out.
20:06Cause that does mean a lot to me.
20:07And, uh, you attempted to at least, I know I should, I should have just gone with it instead
20:12of reaching out to you and Chris in retrospect, I got beat, but you did at least you reached
20:18out.
20:19And I always say, I don't know how you guys do your job, but I do appreciate at least
20:23the attempt to comment.
20:24If you're going to write a story about me.
20:26Um, and it's nice to meet you.
20:28We've never met before.
20:29So yes.
20:30Nice to meet you as well.
20:31Are you working on anything big right now that like a week from now is going to be a
20:35major one or no?
20:36Um, I mean, I think as a media nerd, I don't think your audience probably cares about this,
20:41but I'm working on like a story about ad fraud that I think is going to be like very interesting
20:46to people in the media business.
20:48And so it's like a lot for me to wrap my head around, but when I finally get it out,
20:53I hope
20:54that, uh, at least people in the business are interested in it.
20:58And I saw your post today, which seemed to intimate that you grew up on the East coast.
21:02Cause you said your last time on the fan, you were a caller to Mike and the mad dog.
21:05Oh yes.
21:06I grew up in Connecticut outside of Hartford.
21:09Um, I exclusively listened to WFAN as a kid growing up.
21:15And so this is like my first time on here, not as a caller granted.
21:19I invited myself on.
21:20I had to wait to do that, but, um, I could have said no.
21:25I actually, cause I always think like you think something of, of me, of Chris, of, you
21:31know, boomer, Greg, whatever it is as a listener.
21:33And if you don't, it's kind of like we're talking about Diana Rossini.
21:36So you can write about us.
21:38You've never met me, you know nothing about me, maybe personally outside of what's been
21:41written out there.
21:41Like the fact that I have a family or kids or that type of thing or stuff I willingly openly
21:46talk about.
21:46But the re one of the reasons I want to have you on was I was fascinated as I asked
21:50you
21:50to start the interview off with the decision to cover or not to cover in depth stories like
21:56this, that I would think would be like, you know, you're super bowl, you're bread and
21:59butter.
22:00Like this is a juicy one.
22:01I want to make sure my name is on.
22:03So people think of me the next time a story happens, you know, you become the voice of record
22:07on a story when it comes to sports media.
22:09And I did, I got the scoop that it was shopped around and I got the scoop that she was
22:13under
22:14investigation.
22:14I did not quite break the resignation, although I have my theories on how that got out the
22:21way that it did and I'll keep them to myself.
22:23But yeah, I think, you know, after being reluctant to cover it, I just, you know, did it and got
22:32a lot of clicks for it.
22:34Yeah.
22:35But you also covered it from a very specific angle.
22:37You get involved in the he said, she said, are they sleeping together?
22:41You covered it more from, uh, here's what's going to happen next.
22:44Here's what might happen next.
22:46More from a media company story than more about, you know, what two consenting adults
22:51might've been doing in a hotel room.
22:52You chose the other.
22:53Well, I also think it's like, it's more interesting to me who was spying on them, who wanted it
23:00out there.
23:00Do we know the answer to that yet?
23:02We, we don't know the answer to that.
23:04I don't know if we ever will, but like the, there is, is it a personal issue like with
23:09one of their spouses or was it a football enemy?
23:13And, you know, as bad as I feel for them, the idea of it being a football enemy is like
23:18very entertaining.
23:19Like, you know, Diana was crushing the jets for like two solid years.
23:23They really didn't like that.
23:25Um, the Eagles are another suspect.
23:27The Patriots are always lurking out there.
23:30Pardon me for interrupting, Brian, but Harry Roseman, without saying her name, referenced
23:34it today in a, in a, in a, uh, a statement to the media about, you know, incorrect reporting
23:39and how, you know, their players know what's going on.
23:42You know, if we're going to trade them as opposed to here saying, and you end doing rumor and
23:46that kind of stuff.
23:47So people have kind of talked about it or around it without maybe using people's names.
23:52Uh, look, it's interesting.
23:54One of the, the best storylines, and I do not know how to first, I want to be clear.
23:58It's not my storyline.
23:59I wish it was, but I didn't come up with this one on my own.
24:02That pisses me off is that it's Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson who are behind it.
24:08It's getting back to the Patriots.
24:10Well, on the list of like likely suspects, I have them low because Vrabel was a warrior
24:16for Belichick and he's somebody who would appreciate that, you know, a defensive, like
24:20mean linebacker who puts his body on the line.
24:24I have a hard time seeing Belichick throw him under the bus as fun as it would be to think
24:29about.
24:30Uh, we were debating that, uh, pink should be in the rock and roll hall of fame and Mariah
24:35Carey should be in as well.
24:36Do you want to end it with your thought on, on, uh, them being in the hall of fame, but
24:41since neither one got in yesterday, Mariah Carey would deserve to get in first.
24:46I mean, like, I don't know, like, here's the thing.
24:48They've stretched the rock and roll hall of fame to be music hall of fame.
24:52And so if it was pure rock and roll hall of fame, then neither of them should get in.
24:56But if Wu-Tang Clan is in the Mariah Carey should be in.
24:59I think pink should be in.
25:00Well, we're, we're debating that earlier.
25:02And again, she's got a couple.
25:03There's nothing behind the lemons.
25:04You want to tell us?
25:05No, nothing behind the lemons.
25:07My friends call me a lemon as a joke.
25:09And then I bought the shirt at Target.
25:11A lemon shirt?
25:12Yeah.
25:13They, they, they, cause like, I don't know, I'm down and sour.
25:16And what's the, uh, the last great book you've read?
25:20Um, it, this book called Demon Copperfield, which I'm about 80% of the way through.
25:26Um, it's this novel about a kid in, um, like rural West Virginia, you know, born, born to,
25:36um, his dad was dead by the time he was born and his mom was an addict and how he
25:42kind of
25:42goes through the system and ultimately becomes like one of the star football players in town.
25:47Would you consider listening to an audio book the same as reading it?
25:51Absolutely not.
25:52No, absolutely not.
25:53No.
25:54We've something to come.
25:55I told you.
25:55Let's go.
25:56Yeah.
25:57It's the same thing.
25:57It's not the same thing at all.
25:58It's not the same thing.
25:59So if I listen to a book, an audio book, and someone says, did you read that book?
26:02I can't say yes.
26:03No.
26:03I gotta specify, well, I listened to it?
26:05You didn't read it.
26:05I know the story.
26:06I know everything anyone who read it knows.
26:08It doesn't matter.
26:08It's like watching a movie.
26:09Like, you didn't read it, right?
26:10You never read Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, but you watched the movie.
26:13You didn't read the book.
26:14No, but I read the, if I listened to the Unabridge version and I took 26 hours doing it.
26:18I'm a big, uh, Eric Larson guy and Ben Mesrick guy.
26:21So, uh, highly recommend.
26:23If you haven't read it yet, from Ben, I would suggest reading Sex on the Moon, which, uh,
26:29I only read nonfiction.
26:30Great story about a brilliant kid who had an internship at NASA, stole moon rocks, tried
26:35to sell them.
26:36And before he goes to sell them, and I don't want to give away the story, he and his girlfriend
26:40make love on the bed with the moon rocks under the sheets, thus the name Sex on the Moon.
26:45And I assume you know Eric Larson, pick any Eric Larson book and it's a winner.
26:49Okay.
26:50Got it.
26:51Try listening.
26:51I mean, look, it's nice meeting you.
26:52I appreciate you coming on.
26:53Nice meeting you, Ray.
26:54Nice meeting you as well.
26:55I hope it went as well as you hoped it went.
26:57And feel free to write nice things about us.
26:59Not a problem for me.
27:00Okay.
27:01I'll, I'll send a great tweet right now.
27:04What a great experience on the card show.
27:06Big Mac.
27:06Couldn't have been nicer guys.
27:07I'm going to be a regular guest.
27:08Yeah.
27:08Well, and if you win next time you're in New York, by all means, swing by.
27:11Love to meet you in person.
27:12I do.
27:13I do appreciate the coverage.
27:14Uh, and appreciate you coming on.
27:16Thanks.
27:16Absolutely.
27:17Thank you guys.
27:17Have a good one.
27:18Take care.
27:18All right.
27:18There you go.
27:19Ryan Glasspiegel.
27:20Yeah.
27:20Over there at front office sports.
27:22Good timing.
27:22Right.
27:23But the thing I appreciated about that is he acknowledged what I always knew and believed.
27:28And we're all, none of us are different, by the way.
27:30So I'm not suggesting he did it any differently than you would, or I probably would.
27:35When you're friendly with someone, when you know someone, when you've had a good experience
27:39with someone, you're less likely.
27:42Of course.
27:43To really lay the hammer down on them.
27:45Yep.
27:45So as much as you want to be objective, you have to be objective, report the facts as
27:50you learn them.
27:51The reality is that that doesn't apply to everybody.
27:55And if you don't like someone, well, then it's easy just to, you know, bag somebody.
28:01Sure.
28:01Right.
28:01I mean, listen, if you don't like, I still don't think it, any person with integrity wouldn't
28:07allow just their dislike for someone to lead to unfair coverage.
28:11But sure, if the coverage, you know, is fair and it's easier for you because you dislike
28:16them.
28:17Sure.
28:17I did two shows.
28:19I brought the whole network down.
28:20Listen, Andrew Warshand commented on Carton and Roberts after the first three shows.
28:24We, that story came out in our first week.
28:26Yeah.
28:26I think we had done three shows together and it was up.
28:30It's not, it's a, it's a failure.
28:31Yep.
28:31Yeah.
28:32They lost to Michael Kay.
28:33And then when the winner book started in January, where we won every day, every week,
28:39every month, every quarter, every year, every hour, every minute, that story was never written.
28:45That's true.
28:46Ever.
28:46To this day.
28:47So I remember.
28:48Well, hopefully they take, they tell tales about our success.
28:52Yes.
28:52Yes.
28:53I hope they do tell those tales.
28:55If not, I'll just tell them.
28:57Yeah.
28:57You may have heard I have a big newsletter coming out this summer.
29:00Do you have a big newsletter?
29:01Yeah.
29:02Big newsletter coming out this summer.
29:04Yeah.
29:04That's right.
29:05I don't know what's in it, but I know I'm doing it.
29:07Probably news stuff.
29:08Yeah.
29:08Probably news stuff.
29:10That's right.
29:11In the email letter form.
29:13Yeah.
29:13That's right.
29:14Well, he seemed like a decent guy.
29:15Absolutely.
29:16Yeah.
29:16But I'm telling you right now, he looked like he was walking through Taramina in Sicily.
29:20That's what they wear.
29:21A lot of lemons.
29:23Everything.
29:23I'm right here.
29:24People wear lemons.
29:24They love lemons.
29:25Everything you buy.
29:26Yeah.
29:26You go into a gift shop.
29:27It's hand towels with lemons.
29:28I don't think he's Italian, though.
29:30Because it's, I'm not, I don't know if he was or not, but the lemons, that shirt seemed
29:35very Sicilian tablecloth and clothing.
29:40By the way, this could change tomorrow.
29:43But for today?
29:44But for the moment, he's off my list.
29:48He's off the list?
29:49Yeah.
29:49You just off the list.
29:52He's off the list.
29:53He's off the list.
29:53Good for him.
29:54He seemed like a nice guy.
29:55He seemed like a great guy.
29:57There was a list.
29:58He was on it.
29:59Now he's off of it.
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