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00:00everybody line up it's trigger time here we go we're not naming any names at all
00:07we're just gonna let you listen to something that steve kerr said on the glue guys podcast
00:15with shane battier and alex smith and ravi gupta this is the glue guys podcast steve kerr was a
00:26guest and listen to what he says about player development in the nba in 2025 i just think
00:36it's really important to collaborate with uh your staff and to encourage young the young coaches to
00:42really bring a lot of ideas to the table i really lean on my younger coaches one of the ways the
00:47league is so different now is that it we're now a developmental league you know when shane when you
00:52came into the league when i was in the league we were already developed you played for coach k for
00:55four years i played for lute olsen for four years we were ready and and and the other part that was
01:00different was the schedule was different so we'd have like three games in four nights then you'd
01:05have four days off so you'd have two great practices now we the schedule is basically you play every
01:11other day all year long we don't practice anymore so we have to develop these 19 year old kids who
01:16are coming into the league without much practice time that has meant an entirely revamped uh kind
01:22development program and frankly i'm not great with like i'm an older coach i you know i'm a disciple
01:29of phil and pop and so i lean on the young guys to to really install um great development drills
01:36decision making stuff stuff things that i never did or knew how to teach but the key is to figure
01:42that out and let the people who are who can do those things let them do it and empower them and i think
01:47that's how you progress i'm an older coach i'm not very good at it i let my younger coaches handle
01:53the development okay well well what did everybody hear there what did you hear i heard a couple things
02:01one the schedule is such that you don't have practice time and he's right and you know if you
02:06look at this upcoming schedule we talked about 14 back-to-backs and some of those are home and then away
02:13or then away and then home and you have that that 10 game home stand where it's three weeks and there's
02:19a little bit of practice time in that but you don't have the same amount of time to practice as you used
02:24to and then the other piece is i'm an older coach and yeah you know you look at the coaches and i'm
02:30looking right now rick carlisle's older doc is older and billy donovan's the same age and then you
02:36get to steve kerr at 59 and you've got all these coaches now who are 36 joe missoula will hardy is
02:4437 mark degno is 40 like all these all these other coaches now are younger and i think there's a
02:51certain amount of connectivity being younger you can relate to younger players better than steve who is
02:58you know kind of from the old school such an interesting comment isn't it yeah i mean because
03:04i do think warrior fans have had many a battle over the last handful of years about that word
03:12development and and the team's development process and how they're doing with that and i i have to
03:19admit just as a fan me i look at this thing and it's very very conflicted um in in my mind there's no
03:29sports fan out there that is not excited by the idea of the young homegrown player
03:34coming up that is i like you and i have talked about this before i think that's the best stuff
03:39in sports that's why bryce eldridge is already a household name even though he's never played major
03:44league baseball he's not allowed to buy beer and he might never be good but he's a household name
03:49because homegrown potential superstar that's what people absolutely love so i get the desire to see
04:00that but i also know that when the focus of an organization is on young developing players that
04:08usually means your team's not very good that that that's what that means right no nobody right now
04:16watching the kansas city chiefs goes hey who's the young people that you got who you bring it up
04:24nobody does if you're in any sort of a window that's not the focus i'm not saying you don't do
04:30it you always want to do it but i think depending on your sport and depending on your window slash
04:36situation i don't even know to what level you can focus on it and and i do think that that is
04:45sort of the underbelly rub of everything related to jordan pool jonathan comingo or any other name that
04:52you want with this particular organization which is they've been criticized sometimes rightfully so
04:59for the lack of development but it's all been at a time when quite frankly there is no time or room
05:06for development i don't i don't know how that would have been a focus whenever people this is no
05:13different than what happened with trey lance well you got to give him time don't got none don't have
05:19many sorry like trying to win over here yeah they tried to develop him and he got hurt and whether
05:26or not they were using him right or not i don't want to get into that debate because you and i have
05:29a difference of opinion but they were trying to at least play him and see and he got hurt and the
05:35one about jordan pool always kind of sticks in my craw because they did develop him yes they did he
05:41went to the g league and he got better and he came back and he got good and then they won a title
05:47and then he came back the next year and averaged 20 a game and it wasn't working from a number of
05:52different facets and so they traded him it's not like they didn't develop him and go back to kevon
05:58looney who was the first player taken under the steve carrera are you telling me that he didn't develop
06:03under kerr he played 599 games and won three titles so just because kevon wasn't an all-star
06:11doesn't mean that he didn't develop so the whole thing about kerr doesn't develop players i have the
06:17list if you want me to pull it out the number of guys who they have let go none of them have gone
06:23on to do anything anything greater than what they did here does he get does he get any credit on any
06:29level for the development of steph curry clay thompson and draymond green who were all good players
06:35but far from finished products and young i mean steph is would be the one i wouldn't give him
06:41credit for but i think draymond and clay that was their third year in the association and was draymond
06:46even starting yet uh he started starting that year that was like david lee right right went down
06:53and they and they okay so yeah like does he get anything for those homegrown players becoming who
07:00they became yeah and the other one is harrison barnes who was also a young player and you
07:05know he developed to a point where he wasn't as good as they probably wanted him to be and he went
07:10on to be a little bit better than he was with the warriors but he hasn't won more so the whole thing
07:15about development like jacob evans okay you didn't develop him well he didn't do anything anywhere
07:21either patrick mccall same thing patrick baldwin jr ryan rollins uh sams wiseman right so and wiseman
07:29i know he got i know he got hurt about i still think that he can be an interesting one if he
07:34he's going to get additional chances because he's seven one but he's not going to ever look like the
07:38number two pick in the draft i agree yeah i agree with that and obviously all roads lead to kaminga
07:43and this conversation of course leads to kaminga because if they sign and trade him or if he plays
07:50one more year and then leaves if he goes on to to be like 25 a game and wins a bunch of games and goes
07:57to the playoffs well then you could look and say y'all mess that one up i got a question for all you and
08:02grandy you can you can jump in on this too do y'all remember what what lucas yeah come on well i never
08:08know yeah i can't see you anyway um do you remember the shams tweet the first one go back a couple years
08:16when the shams tweet came out about jonathan kaminga has lost faith in steve kerr wasn't the word
08:27development in the tweet i wonder if you can like look that up grandy and lucas and see if you can
08:33find it was the word development he's lost faith in steve kerr being the one in charge of his
08:41development or something like that i want to remember the exact wording of that um and it's
08:49almost as if because this is years later and i know that this comment that we just played from
08:55steve is not solely directed at anyone or anything but what's fascinating about this because i don't
09:01think we've ever heard this before in a way it's almost steve looking back at all we've lost faith
09:06in you to develop us it's like steve's looking back at him and going good that's not my job in
09:13the first place it was january 5th 2024 okay oh was it that recent uh that's you know uh 19 months
09:20ago i know but i thought it was prior to last season but anyway go ahead sitting the final 18
09:25minutes of the nuggets loss warriors forward jonathan kaminga has lost faith in steve kerr
09:29and no longer believes that kerr will allow him to reach his full potential sources say okay so it
09:35wasn't development it was potential but you have to develop to reach your full potential so i think it
09:39plays to it's implied right to what you're talking about and so that's uh a report from anthony slater
09:46in the athletic what if i argued that what steve kerr and i don't think that this was his goal or his
09:53aim with this comment what if how would y'all feel if you were in a room with steve kerr and you looked
10:02at him and went steve what about development and he flatly looked back at you and went not my job
10:09how does that grab you well it's not his job his job is to lead a team to win basketball games and
10:19you think about development and i just was searching last year the youngest players in the association
10:24zachary richache was 19 for atlanta second in the rookie of the year voting okay you're atlanta and
10:33you are not in a championship hunt this year they will be and we'll see alex saar for washington
10:40fourth in rookie of the year he was 19 he played 27 minutes a game you're washington so you can
10:48develop that way cade cunningham's a great example where he gets picked number one by detroit they stink
10:54and you can go out there and cated up all you want and he has developed he's developed he's gotten
10:59to be really really good and they actually are an interesting team this year finally made the
11:03playoffs though right after year four and that's the point about development when you're in a
11:07championship window it's a lot harder to develop players because younger players like this aren't ready
11:13to help you win okay so fair for me to say because i do believe this is it fair for me to say
11:19those of you who criticize steve kerr and the golden state warriors for not quote developing jonathan
11:27kaminga you want your cake and eat it too is that fair because that that is what i believe i believe
11:34you want the warriors to develop and contend for a championship in the same year i don't know how the
11:40hell you do that i've never known how the hell you do that i i think that the coaches like steve kerr
11:46kyle shanahan i think that they've got a one track mind we got a game tonight let's win it who's ready
11:52to help me i'm not out here worrying at all in the third quarter about what this is going to look
12:00like two years from now next year next week i like i don't next quarter i don't i don't know how you do
12:10what they're being asked to do i don't know how they do what jonathan has asked them to do i don't
12:17know how they do it well they can't and you know this quote from shams in the tweet from january of
12:232024 tells it all and i don't think that coming is wrong he doesn't believe that steve kerr will help
12:30him reach his full potential he's right but steve kerr's job is not to ensure that he reaches his
12:37full potential so if kaminga started as a rookie day one at a one and let's just assume all rookies
12:43start as a one on a scale of one to ten and kaminga wants to hurry up and get to be a ten
12:49and the warriors through four years have gotten him to be a five he's maybe halfway to his full
12:55potential maybe he's a six and steve kerr's thinking well along the way you played 258 games
13:02and you know you played about 20 minutes a game we won a title and yeah we didn't get you from one to a
13:08ten but we got you half halfway there or maybe a little bit more and kaminga's thinking i want to
13:14get to a ten that way i get the bag that way i can you know go out and get me 22 a night and
13:20i can be the jk that i know i can be it really is and to take it broader it is a wonderful sort of
13:26snapshot of the rub in sports which is that you have teams that are made up of players and those
13:36players and those teams don't necessarily have the same goal and in fact sometimes those goals
13:43fly in the face of of one another players would like to play players would like to get a contract
13:51players would like to grow and make a lot of money and get all the minutes that they want or the time
13:59that they want or the innings that they want or whatever sport you're talking about you want all
14:04those things and only when those things also coincide with winning today's game is everybody
14:11actually on the same page so in many ways this thing that so many of us have argued about with
14:18the warriors is baked into the process we're out here arguing about it it's it's literally baked
14:24into the process it is baked in to the cake that jonathan players like him not just jonathan he's an
14:31example but players like him and a championship coach are not on the same page they're not trying
14:38to do the same thing when they wake up in the morning this depends on the player yeah because
14:42has steve kerr developed brandon podjemski i mean pods he's played two years and he started 61 games
14:51in all of them right but is moody better today than he was no matter what you think about any of these
14:56players are they better than the day they walked in another one is uh hi this is gi santos uh gi has
15:02played 79 games over two seasons and he's better than he was when he started so he's gone from a one
15:09to maybe a three or three and a half but that is some development so this whole thing and i have a long
15:15list of guys who were here went elsewhere and did nothing jordan bell uh damian lee jta is another one
15:24he started as a 26 year old rookie does he not get credit for developing one to scano anderson i mean
15:30a lot of these things also become unspoken i know someone who used to work for the 49ers will remain
15:35nameless but like the point that they would make is no one was ever going to say this out loud but
15:42there are tons of dudes on that sideline rooting for injuries to their teammates not outwardly right
15:49and not with every fiber of their being but yes yes the backup quarterback wants a shot
15:55he wants to play right he wants to get paid right so they're out there rooting against
16:03themselves barry zito's the only one who ever admitted it but like yes sometimes they're rooting
16:09against themselves so that they will make changes and get in there it's wild man
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