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00:00All right. So Richard Jefferson, Richard Jefferson, RJ, with regard to Steve Kerr and the situation.
00:11Steve Kerr is one of the best coaches in the league. If the argument is Steve Kerr versus Kaminga, let me help you out.
00:18Steve Kerr is one of the best coaches in this league. He's been proven. He's been proven a winner.
00:22The man's got, what, 10 championships? Shut up.
00:25If you think you know more than somebody with 10 championships, as a player, play with Michael Jordan, play with Tim Duncan, multiple iterations of this Warriors team.
00:35If you think you know more than that man and his experience, then we can't have a conversation.
00:40I'm not saying he's perfect, but who are you going to go get with a better resume?
00:44Can I add context for you, Rich? Please.
00:46Just last week, The Athletic posted a survey, excuse me, top 40 leaders in sports.
00:51Guess who not only was on the list, but voted number one?
00:54Who?
00:55Steve Kerr.
00:56That's what I'm saying.
00:56That's crazy.
00:57You don't have to agree with every move or this and that, but let's be very, very clear.
01:02There is not a coach, maybe in all of professional sports, there is not another coach with a resume.
01:09As a player, as an understanding, there is nothing.
01:12There's nobody out there.
01:14He's one of the great coaches in American history, and we're going to get up in arms about the dynamic with Kaminga?
01:20Come on, let's grow up.
01:21Hey, that Athletic poll, and that is a thing.
01:25We haven't talked much about it.
01:26The Athletic ran a poll, the top current leaders in sports, and it listed 40 names.
01:32Steve Kerr was number one.
01:33Who were they polling?
01:35Who did they ask?
01:36Do we know?
01:37I didn't see that.
01:38Randy, do you know who they were asking?
01:40It was described as over 100 people in sports.
01:44Over 100 people in sports.
01:46Okay.
01:47I don't know.
01:47I mean, I imagine it's a bunch of different roles.
01:49Athletes, front office, probably all over the place.
01:52Dibs, you jumped on.
01:53Dibs jumped all over it.
01:54He tried to troll me.
01:55He's like, look who's not on it.
01:57I don't say Kyle Shanahan's name.
01:59Your boy not on there.
02:00Not a leader.
02:01You saw who was third, though, right?
02:02I don't remember who was third.
02:04Steph was third.
02:04Oh, gosh.
02:05Oh, yeah, by the way, the Steve Kerr is dumb brigade, the Warriors have a Steve Kerr problem.
02:14You're kind of indirectly saying Steph is a moron, too.
02:20Sorry to let that sit there for a second.
02:23You are.
02:24Yeah.
02:25I mean, you're telling him that everything he thinks and that everything he wants to do
02:30and that everything he values within his NBA career, you're telling him that he is flat wrong for how he sees it.
02:42Like, that's fine.
02:43And how he sees it is, like, let's try to win now, you know?
02:47No, I'm saying he sees it as I don't want anybody else coaching me other than Steve Kerr.
02:52Right.
02:53And that's fine.
02:54He's a human being.
02:55He's allowed to be wrong, too.
02:56He is.
02:57I just, yeah, that is, that's what you're saying.
03:02Just some context on this list, and I don't know who voted, but among the top 20, number two, Dawn Staley,
03:09number four, Gino Ariema, number seven, Emma Hayes, and she's the head coach of the U.S. Women's National Team,
03:17number nine, Asia Wilson, number 17, Nafisa Collier.
03:21So, I do think that the voters were maybe a little bit more skewed toward people who are, like, passionate about or aware of women's sports.
03:33Oh, okay.
03:34That's interesting.
03:36I mean, I'm just reading the results as such.
03:38Like, you've got Gino at number four, you've got Emma Hayes, and you've got Asia Wilson at nine.
03:45These are all great people, great, like, leaders and great female athletes and female coaches,
03:50but it's not your typical, like, we're going to ask a hundred beer swilling, like, uh...
03:56We surveyed a hundred people who live in Alabama.
03:59Right, exactly.
04:00Yeah, I don't know.
04:01I don't know.
04:02And I've never been led by any of these people.
04:04So, I don't know, but, you know, you can welcome that into the conversation, as they did on Richard Jefferson's podcast.
04:11Kendrick Perkins, he didn't yike it.
04:14He didn't yike it.
04:15Right.
04:16He's like that.
04:17He's the one who was like, that's crazy.
04:19Steve Kerr, number one.
04:20Sure.
04:21Okay, so, listen, let's hear from some people here.
04:25888-957-9570.
04:28Where are you at on Steve Kerr?
04:29Or, like, what?
04:31Right?
04:31What's the rub here?
04:33Uh, Clifton in Vallejo, you get to go first.
04:36Thank you so much for calling.
04:37What's up?
04:39Hey, what's going on, guys?
04:41Hey, top of the year to you guys.
04:43Uh, I'm gonna put it to this point right here about my opinion about Steve Kerr, okay?
04:51Steve Kerr lost the league when he let that situation with Jordan Poole and Draymond Green go the way he did.
05:05Because if I was the coach of that team, I would have absolutely got rid of Draymond Green the next day, okay?
05:15In that instance right there, the whole league and all the players in the league, do I want to go play for that guy?
05:25Hey, think about what I just said, man.
05:30He lost the whole team.
05:33He lost the whole league.
05:35He lost everything.
05:36When he let that thing go the way that it went.
05:40Because there should have been some accountability to that.
05:44Do you understand what I'm saying, man?
05:45I think we're very clear on what you're saying, Clifton.
05:49And I would at least, I would respond to that as saying, hey, do I think that that was Steve Kerr's best moment?
05:56No, I don't.
05:57I also, and this is one of my big, big pushbacks on Steve Kerr, that's an organizational-wide situation that developed there for sure.
06:05And he ends up wearing it.
06:07He's the face of that.
06:08I get it.
06:09He's the head coach.
06:10But Bob Myers made that decision as well.
06:13Joe Lacob made that decision as well.
06:16I'll agree that that was not his best moment.
06:19A very, very unfortunate, difficult situation.
06:22I blame Draymond much more than I blame the people above him.
06:26But I also, I will push back on this.
06:29It has now led to no one wants to come play for the Warriors.
06:33I don't see any evidence of that.
06:34I mean, did Al Horford come here?
06:36Did Anthony Melton come back?
06:38Jimmy Butler signed an extension.
06:40Right.
06:40So, I mean, that's where.
06:41I don't know.
06:43Yeah.
06:44I have a hard time with that.
06:45And the other thing about, you know, what he just was saying and what you were saying,
06:48like, the only thing that Steve Kerr decides, and this is maybe a little bit disrespectful to Steve,
06:54but the only thing he decides is what shoes he's going to wear that night to the game.
06:59And that doesn't mean that he doesn't have the biggest voice, but the rotation, it's a collective.
07:05Like, free agency, it's a collective.
07:07And the draft, it's a collective.
07:08And I think that everything that they do, and this is a testimony to Steve as a leader, you want to bring in voices.
07:15You want to bring in people.
07:17He doesn't just sit there on the bench and, excuse me, guys, I'm going to go ahead and handle all of everything.
07:22No, he's a guy who brings in opinions and voices and all the rest of it.
07:26Don't forget, I don't even know that the shoes are all his decision.
07:29He's got a wife.
07:30That's fair.
07:31You know what I mean?
07:32I have a wife.
07:32He's got a wife.
07:33Yeah.
07:35It's not bad.
07:36Thanks.
07:36Go to Sean.
07:37Sean in Oakland.
07:38Hi, Sean.
07:39Thank you for the call.
07:41Hey, what's going on, guys?
07:42What's up?
07:44Well, I remember last time I called, and I was saying, like, oh, if they played Kamingo last time, I mean, playing this time, he'll be acting like, oh, you want me to play now?
07:54So that was my bad on that little comment that I did, because, yeah, I see that Kamingo's been nothing but professional in this whole situation.
08:02He's been patient.
08:03He hasn't been acting like a powder or anything like that.
08:06If you say that he wanted him to play, he plays.
08:09Now, the whole situation, I'm not saying that Steve Kerr is dumb, right?
08:14That's as far as what we're saying.
08:16We're just saying that, like, all these decisions that he's making from the Durant and then the guy that was just on talking about the whole Jordan Poole situation, those are kind of like his baddest moments, right?
08:26Because Durant not here no more, which could have been a whole game changer if he could have still been here.
08:32You blame Steve Kerr directly for Kevin Durant's departure, Sean?
08:38The only thing, not just Kerr, but the whole association, because I know Durant, at the end of the day, he wears his feelings on his sleeve, and I think they could have handled that a little bit better.
08:49And, like, having Durant back for a minute, like, they went out and got this guy to play for us, right?
08:55And then, all of a sudden, Green does this little situation of getting all up in his face and making him feel a certain way, and ain't nobody had Durant back on that whole situation.
09:04Nobody.
09:05Maybe Curry did, and there are some other players that did, but the organization didn't.
09:11So, that's why he felt the way he is.
09:13That's why he left.
09:14Jordan Poole, that was a whole debacle right there.
09:17So, now we see what Jordan Poole is doing.
09:20Maybe he's kind of, like, saved us because, you know, Jordan Poole is, like, in the abyss right now.
09:25I don't even hear too much about him no more anyway.
09:28So, but I'm not saying that he's a dumb coach or anything like that, but something is going on between him and Kaminga, him and Tatum.
09:38I don't know what's going on as a coach.
09:40Why you can't start a guy that's a walking 20 points per game?
09:43I don't understand that.
09:45Over Pazimki, I would have started him over Pazimki.
09:48Like, I don't understand why you're sitting on this guy on a bench like this or none of it.
09:51Just starting all these other players.
09:56Oh, that looks like we lost Sean.
09:58Yeah.
09:58Okay.
09:58Yeah.
09:59So, okay.
10:00Can we, let's do this for a second.
10:02Okay.
10:02Walking 20 points per game.
10:05That's a little heavy.
10:06I don't know that that's fully been proven yet, but yeah, he can certainly score 20 in some games.
10:11Jonathan can, he can score the basketball.
10:17Even if, like, I wonder if this helps when we talk, let's talk about a different player for a second.
10:23Let's not make it about Jonathan.
10:25I was listening to Goo with Evan earlier today, and they immediately were like, Steph is still playing great.
10:30He's averaging 28 a game.
10:32And I immediately thought to myself, because they were making comparisons to Kobe Bryant at the end of his career,
10:38and the last two seasons for Kobe Bryant with the Lakers.
10:42Oh, my God.
10:42I think the Lakers won something like 21 in 17 games.
10:46They were God awful.
10:48What did Kobe average?
10:51About 27.
10:53We have.
10:53His last year was the single worst year in the history of the NBA as far as efficiency.
10:58We have got to stop assessing NBA basketball players by their points per game
11:08and then moving on to the other side of the room to grab a snack.
11:13That is the laziest NBA analysis I could ever imagine in my entire life.
11:21If that's all you're bringing to the party, so-and-so averages blah, blah points per game.
11:29Must be playing great.
11:31He must be a star.
11:33I'm trying to use other players because I don't want to make this about Jonathan and rebounding
11:38and efficiency and passing and dribbling and all that.
11:41We've had that conversation for years.
11:43Let's bring in other players' names.
11:45There have been literally thousands of people in the NBA who can average 20 points a game
11:52who have been proven to not be winning basketball players.
11:56We see it all the time.
11:59Like, let's talk about the Sacramento Kings.
12:05Can Zach Levine average 20 a game?
12:07Always does.
12:08Can DeMar DeRozan average 20 a game?
12:10Sure.
12:10Do you think if Malik Monk were given the minutes, can Malik Monk average 20 a game?
12:16De'Aaron Fox used to average 20 a game.
12:19Jordan Poole averaged 20 a game in Washington.
12:22DeMontis Sabonis can average 20 a game.
12:25That grows on trees in the NBA.
12:29Especially when you're on a bad team with no other option.
12:32And I'm looking at Jordan Poole right now, and I know he's been hurt this year,
12:35but he's played in 27 games this year, and they are 8-19 when he plays.
12:40And he's averaging about 15 a game, and he's a minus-115 on the year in games that he's played.
12:47So, yeah, when he plays, he's able to go out there and score and do what he does.
12:51But they don't win when he plays, and I know that they're bad, and he's just, you know,
12:56Jordan Poole, and he's trying to find his way.
12:58But I don't think that if you can score, it doesn't mean that you score in a way that your team wins automatically.
13:04No, it's nonsense.
13:05I just want to throw this out there.
13:06It's not the perfect point, but Dylan Brooks averages 20 a game.
13:13This year?
13:14Yeah.
13:14He's a good player.
13:15He's actually a very good player.
13:16Very good player.
13:17He's a complete just emotional disaster, and I can't stand watching him.
13:23I know you can't.
13:23But that's because he plays for the other teams.
13:25Right, and the teams that he plays on, they all will vouch for him, and they love him,
13:29because he's the kind of guy that you want to play with.
13:31Well, they tend to win.
13:32Right.
13:33They won when he was in Memphis.
13:34They were winners when he was in Houston, and they are surprisingly better than we thought
13:38they would be this year in Phoenix.
13:39Tough for you to say, I know, but.
13:41Yeah.
13:42And another one is John.
13:43That's why I said it's not a perfect point.
13:44No, and John Morant is another one where John Morant will get you 26, or he might get you 44,
13:49but they don't ever consistently win, because he doesn't play the kind of basketball that leads to winning.
13:56Yeah.
13:56My larger point is someone averaging 20 or 20-something per game is not a mic drop point of, like, great player.
14:07It's not.
14:08I know that it's hard to do.
14:10I know that that means there's some talent there.
14:13That's never been at issue with any of these guys, whether or not Jonathan has some ability.
14:18That's not what we're all trying to do.
14:21We're not trying to win an underdog pick.
14:24You're trying to win a basketball game.
14:27Laurie Markin in this year, he's averaging 28 a night.
14:31How's Utah?
14:33Well, yeah.
14:34No, but, I mean, he's getting you 28.
14:36Right.
14:37Like, if he gave you 22, would they be better?
14:39No.
14:39They're terrible, but to your point, like, just because you can go out there and hang 28 a night on everyone
14:45doesn't mean that you're helping your team win or that your team is good.
14:49Let's go to Dan in Newark.
14:51Hi, Dan.
14:51Thank you for calling Wither and Debs.
14:53What's up?
14:55Hey, guys.
14:56How you doing?
14:56First-time caller.
14:57Thanks, ma'am.
14:58I wanted to talk about this Steve Kirk deal here.
15:02So, let's go back to 2010 when Mark Jackson was there.
15:08Kirk inherited a team that was already been to the playoffs.
15:14Yep.
15:14They were already good.
15:15That's true.
15:16That's true.
15:17They were already good.
15:18So, Kirk hasn't really developed anybody these years that he's been there.
15:23I mean, they drafted Looney, and they've always picked up players that have been very established
15:30in the league.
15:30So, he had Iguodala there for a couple years.
15:33They've traded in players.
15:36He had a team that came in.
15:38Does Jordan Poole count, Dan?
15:40Does Jordan Poole count?
15:4127th pick in the draft?
15:43Jordan Poole, you know what?
15:45If they would have handled it better, just like what the previous caller did, he'd probably be a better player.
15:49I mean, he had the good nuclear that was around him, the players, that helped develop him.
15:56So, the players developed Jordan.
15:58Steve Kerr didn't develop Jordan?
15:59Well, I don't believe, I don't believe, I mean, I don't believe Kerr has really, because Jordan Poole came out of the G League, right?
16:08Jordan Poole was drafted.
16:10Did they really?
16:10Yeah.
16:10Like, that's the Warriors' developmental system.
16:13Like, no team, no players developed solely by the head coach of the NBA basketball team.
16:19That's not how development works.
16:20Right.
16:21I agree.
16:22But what was going on with Kamina deal, right?
16:25Everyone's talking about, and we talked about, you just talking about points and all that kind of stuff.
16:31So, who is there to help out Curry right now score?
16:35Who's been developed to help, you know, the other player?
16:38You had Klay Thompson, who was a good defender.
16:40Yep.
16:40Right?
16:41All team, right?
16:43You had Wiggins, who was a good defender, but a scorer.
16:48Thompson was a scorer.
16:50You had Drayvon Green, who was a good defender.
16:53Who has replaced those guys?
16:55They haven't developed anybody.
16:56You have an upcoming star that could probably actually be that guy, which is Kaminga, but what have they done to him?
17:06Well, they don't think that, Dan.
17:08I can tell you this.
17:10Call it a sourced report if you want.
17:13They don't think that Jonathan Kaminga is a future star.
17:17They don't think that.
17:18And that's fine if you do, but they don't think that.
17:22And so, to sort of suggest that they haven't attempted like hell to develop the guy, I think is incorrect.
17:31You know what I mean?
17:32Like, development is not just, hey, tell him to rebound, and then he will.
17:36Like, at a certain point, the player's got to do some things.
17:40I'm not fully siding with anyone here.
17:43Jonathan has some talent.
17:45There's no question about that.
17:47But this isn't a snap fingers and it happens type thing.
17:50Not everybody is a star.
17:54Yeah, it takes time.
17:55I mean, I don't know if you watched the game the other day when he did come in after the game.
17:59Yep.
17:59Yeah, after the game, they showed a shot of Kerr and Kaminga.
18:06Kerr was talking to him.
18:08Kerr was patting him on the chest, like telling him he was doing a good job.
18:12And you could see the body language from Kaminga, like he didn't really want to hear what he had to say because of what's going on, right?
18:22So, I mean, you guys could pull that up and take a look at it at the, you know, at the end of the game.
18:27Yeah, we've watched it and Steve has spoken on what he was asking.
18:31He was asking him, actually, if he wanted to stay in for the final two minutes of the game.
18:35If that's your read on his body language, Dan, thanks so much for the call.
18:39You might be right.
18:40And this is obviously a very rare circumstance.
18:43And if Jonathan has some negative feelings about Steve Kerr, I get it.
18:47I think that's actually been pretty well established.
18:49But when we talk about development with the Warriors during the Steve Kerr era, is it fair for me to respond by saying,
18:56how many lottery picks have they had in the entire era?
19:01The whole era.
19:04They've had three.
19:04Okay.
19:05And it was a massive air ball.
19:07It was a mismanaged Kaminga.
19:09And it was, okay, end of the lottery.
19:12All right.
19:13You might have, like, that's a base hit.
19:15And reported that the Kaminga pick was not the one that Kerr wanted to make.
19:19Right.
19:20So, I mean, if you want to assign all of them to him or none of them to him, then that's all equally fair.
19:25For me, it's a whole organizational thing.
19:27And this is what I was talking about before.
19:28Like, the only thing that Steve decides on is what shoes he wears.
19:31And you were funny when you said that.
19:33Like, his wife probably tells him.
19:35And so, yeah.
19:36I mean, he's a guy.
19:36So, yeah.
19:37Right.
19:37The whole thing is organizational.
19:39And if the owner says, I want Kaminga and I want Wiseman, then Steve has to, you know, either, nope, we're not going to do that or I quit or you go along with it.
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19:55Call if we're such apologists that it's a joke.
19:59Call us.
20:01This is what I'm trying.
20:02I'm trying.
20:03We're trying to listen.
20:04Like, I think it's a joke that a four-time champ gets treated this way.
20:10I think that's a pretty fair statement.
20:13But call us.
20:15Don't hide behind your keyboard like everybody in the whole world does on the internet right now.
20:20Pull over, pick up, and call us.
20:23Why is it a joke?
20:24Why are we apologists?
20:26I wonder.
20:26I mean, and I did a quick dive on, like, Bochy, Walsh, Kerr, Shanahan, Dusty, and Alvin Adams.
20:32Let's hear it.
20:33The highest winning percentage of those six is Steve Kerr, 643.
20:38The highest winning percentage among postseason is Bill Walsh, 714.
20:42The most titles is Steve Kerr with four.
20:45Bochy's got three.
20:46He was 500 for his career.
20:48I know.
20:48But he got three.
20:49Walsh, 609.
20:51He got three.
20:52Kerr, 643.
20:53He got four.
20:54Shanny, 550.
20:56His postseason is really good, but he's got none.
20:59Dusty had none.
21:00Alvin Adels was here for 14 years, and he had the one.
21:02So if you want to compare resumes, which I know that Richard Jefferson was doing,
21:07the Kerr resume is, you look at Walsh, and it's probably, it's better than Bill Walsh.
21:13The lead.
21:13The resume.
21:14It's elite.
21:15The resume of Kerr versus Walsh and Bochy, he wins.
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