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00:00Thanks, Pat.
00:01It was fun last night.
00:02I would have left him in.
00:03And I say that only because, and this is always my rule,
00:07did you think it at the time?
00:09I don't like the hindsight 2020, Brandon came in, turned the ball over,
00:15Steve Kerr, you dummy, you should have stuck with Pat.
00:18The second he took him out and we were sitting on that side of the arena,
00:22I was like, oh, you're taking him out?
00:26But, yeah, that's micro.
00:28And, again, I'd have given you every dollar I have that we never would have
00:32had a show where people were lined up going, you should have stayed with Pat
00:38Spencer.
00:39I never, I'd have bet everything.
00:41I'd have bet it all.
00:43But here we are.
00:44But what really gets me about this moment, because I'm still,
00:49and I think you are too, like we're only 22 games in.
00:53There have been injuries to main guys.
00:55The schedule's going to lighten up.
00:56This might feel different.
00:58In another six weeks.
00:59It really might.
01:00I think it probably will.
01:01We'll see.
01:03And so I'm here for all of that.
01:05What still gets me is the offseason.
01:07It still gets me.
01:09And that is, this organization decided to conduct itself in such a way
01:18where everybody was allowed to head on a four-month-long standoff and a fight with one of their,
01:28let's be real, one of their not best players.
01:30Right.
01:31And allowed that.
01:33He's rotational, but yeah.
01:34Right, yeah.
01:35Like, he's not one of their top two or three players.
01:37I'm not saying he's a bad player.
01:39He's an intriguing player.
01:40He's a player that, you know, like I think you want on your team.
01:44We're still trying to figure that out.
01:46But you conducted yourself in such a way where you went on a three-month, four-month standoff
01:53with a player, and that disallowed you from getting engaged into anything else that you
01:59might have been able to do.
02:00And you clearly, you probably needed to get something else in the big, in-the-paint presence market.
02:08You decided to go get someone who's 40 years old, can't play a lot of the games,
02:13and even he had to wait until training camp was already open to finalize the deal.
02:18This isn't about JK.
02:19It could have been any player, any one of those rotational players.
02:23If I'm the Warriors in that moment, I would have created deadlines, fake ones.
02:28Because I'd have been like, this is the offer, or these are the offers that we will do,
02:34and you can take them, and we will give you three weeks to decide.
02:39But in three weeks, we're going to start signing other players,
02:42and those offers are going to start going down.
02:44Well, they probably did that, but he also had the idea of the qualifying offer
02:47that he could just sit there and accept.
02:50Then do it.
02:50Do it.
02:51Well, and he probably would have, and that also would have limited you from what you wanted to do
02:56and what you actually could have done.
02:57I don't think he would have done it.
02:58I would have called that bluff from the beginning.
03:01Well, I think they called the bluff, and then he said, okay.
03:04And that's where they waited, and they waited, and they waited,
03:06and you got to the very end, and they decided, well, the best thing now for us is
03:10to give them a contract that we can then trade,
03:13and JK Day is now coming up in 43 days.
03:1743 days, yeah.
03:17Six weeks from tomorrow.
03:18So I do think it's a little Ayukian in that they probably called him on that,
03:24and he said, okay, well, I'll just play on the QO for 7.9.
03:28Then do it.
03:29Then move.
03:29They didn't want that.
03:30They wanted to have that 24 million to be able to trade.
03:33I get it.
03:34And so he called their bluff.
03:36They said, all right, then do it.
03:39And he said, okay, I will.
03:40And you got to the very end, and then Aaron Turner came on,
03:43Steining and Guru, and did an hour interview from a gym with Kaminga,
03:47doing a cameo, and now Aaron Turner's on Twitter.
03:50I do think that the whole thing is a little bit wackadoodle, to use your word,
03:55and it's a little wackadoodle, but here we are where Kaminga plays in the third quarter,
04:00and he wasn't great in terms of, like, good decisions, but he was active.
04:04He rebounded.
04:05He kept things alive.
04:06He committed a very, very loose and sloppy foul at the end of the third.
04:11It's one of those things that you just cannot do.
04:13He hit a three.
04:14He had a put-back dunk.
04:16He did finally get a foul call.
04:18He made one of two from the line.
04:19He did some things, yes.
04:22And then the corner to me was a microcosm of the Kaminga experience,
04:25where you saw the flashes of, like, yeah, Kaminga, you can score.
04:30You can do this.
04:30He had a couple of mid-ranges that were, like, you know,
04:33and Fitz even was, like, the mid-range.
04:35You don't want the mid-range.
04:36Like, don't do it.
04:36You were in the game, and Fitz is, like, you either want a layup or a three.
04:40You don't want the mid-range with 12 on the shot clock.
04:42I don't know why he can't stop doing that.
04:46But, like, you can almost see him, right?
04:50This is what I really hate.
04:51When he gets the ball right now, you can see him thinking.
04:55Like, you can see the smoke coming out of his ears.
04:58And that's not good.
04:59And that's not all his fault.
05:01Well, especially without Jimmy and Steph.
05:02No, yeah.
05:03I do think that that makes him change a little bit, like, okay, now it's my time to shine.
05:07He's overthinking.
05:09He's lost.
05:10He doesn't know exactly what is the right thing, and he doesn't want, like,
05:14if he does the wrong thing, I'm going to get pulled out of the game.
05:16Take it from somebody who was largely a bench player in high school.
05:20It's really hard.
05:21You feel like you go in, and you make one bad decision.
05:25That's not a boop.
05:25And you can turn around.
05:26Yeah, if I had been a starter, maybe you could have booped it.
05:29But anyway, yeah, no, I get it.
05:31Half boop.
05:31So anyway, like, I just, it's hard.
05:33It's hard when you think the coach is on your shoulder when you're trying to play basketball.
05:38I get that.
05:39But the bottom line is the bottom line.
05:41He looks lost.
05:42He doesn't, he's not aggressive.
05:45And he keeps going, all right, I'll go into the lane.
05:50Oh, it's not there.
05:51Okay, turn around, fall away from 12 with a hand in my face.
05:54No.
05:55We're shot in basketball.
05:56Don't do that.
05:58And he keeps doing that.
06:02And that's, you know, okay, you got to work through some things.
06:04But then when your agent is in the third row with his phone, like, geez, this is awful.
06:10This is awful for everybody.
06:12And that part's got to stop.
06:14And part of that blame is clearly on the organization because they let this happen all summer long.
06:20That's part of my point.
06:21I know you want to play the negotiating part of it, and I get that.
06:26But when you let this go all the way into training camp, you're setting the table.
06:30You're setting the table for a fight.
06:32And to think that a few good games was to make that fight go away, you were wrong.
06:37And that's my answer right now for are they doing a good job.
06:42They are paying now for what happened over the summer.
06:46It set a tone around this entire thing, and it probably, in some way, shape, or form,
06:53prevented them from having some seven-footers who could guard Chet Holmgren for crying out loud,
06:58so that he's not dropping the ball over the rim as if he's playing Nerf hoop with his kid.
07:03That's what it looked like last night.
07:04But they were not available, those seven-footers.
07:06I don't know who was available.
07:06And you've got a seven-footer, but he doesn't really play like that.
07:09I mean, Aiton was available.
07:10I didn't want him, but, like, you could have kept Kevon Looney.
07:14I mean, who's not seven feet, but he's at least a guy who is, you know,
07:17somebody who can defend on the interior better than what you have.
07:21And so, yeah, yesterday, small sample.
07:23You had no answer for a lot of things, including, you know, Chet Holmgren at the rim
07:27and Gilgis Alexander.
07:29Certainly he's, you know, the best player in the league.
07:31He's the MVP and all the rest of it.
07:33But the JK part of it, he goes in the third quarter, and it's a little bit up.
07:37It's a little bit down.
07:39I thought he showed energy and effort, and then the fourth quarter he doesn't play.
07:43And then the agent is tweeting out, like, what are we doing here?
07:46And so that just adds to the mix.
07:48All right, let's hear from you all.
07:50So that's the question.
07:51Are the Warriors doing a good job?
07:52This is from Steve Kerr on up.
07:55Let's start with Pete in the city.
07:58Hi, Pete.
07:58Thanks for the call.
07:59What's up?
08:01Hey, Pete, you there?
08:04Yeah.
08:04Let's do it, buddy.
08:05What's up?
08:08Hey, Willard and Diff, man.
08:09Thanks for taking my call.
08:11What's up, Pete?
08:13Hey, man.
08:14First and foremost, before I get to my point, just to piggyback off what y'all was just
08:20talking about with Kaminga, he doesn't look lost or unaggressive out there.
08:25He looks like a guy that knows he's on his way out the door.
08:29And based on the conversation yesterday with Nick when he came on, the writing's on the
08:36wall.
08:37And it's not just him.
08:38It's a few other players that's playing.
08:40Like, they know that their name is in the shuffle to get somebody better.
08:46And I think Steve Kerr kind of, he basically said it in the beginning of the year that most
08:52of these games, the first 20 games, and he's just going to, what he's going to do is going
08:57to view the landscape and see how the other teams are and decide what he needs going forward.
09:05And if these players that haven't developed, that's been on the Warriors for years, don't
09:12take that next step, then they're out of the door.
09:15And I'm okay with that.
09:16They can hit the road, you know what I mean?
09:18Because it's just, they don't know how to play with these vets.
09:23And they haven't developed fully to where we can count on them.
09:27Now, what I'm really mad about today is these fans calling in, these shaky fans, man.
09:34They so finicky, they calling in, complaining about Steve Kerr taking this person out, doing
09:40this and that.
09:41Man, this dude is, he already told you what he's up to, man.
09:47He said that the first 20-something games, they're not trying to really, they're just
09:53trying to see how the lineup is.
09:55They're not trying to win games or none of that.
09:58I mean, they're just trying to play and just test the lineups and see how it goes and
10:06see moving forward what kind of makeover that they need to do for the lineup.
10:12I just feel like some of these dudes is not going to be on the team going forward.
10:16That might be the case.
10:16Basically is what I'm trying to say.
10:17Yeah, Pete, thanks for the call.
10:19Like, I'd say this, I do, Pete's got a point, but I think the way, Pete, that you're sort
10:25of pitching how Steve Kerr feels about this, I think you're underselling it a little bit.
10:30Like, if you watch Steve on the sideline last night and many other recent nights, dude,
10:34he's barking at people, he's getting up into people, he's frustrated.
10:38So I don't think he's just kicking back in a smoking jacket like, ah, we're just checking
10:42lineups.
10:43It's the first 22 games.
10:44It's kind of like whatever.
10:45No, and how much can you really check when your key people aren't even out there and
10:53the whole organization is based on how you play with those players and those players aren't
10:58out there.
10:59So like, how much information are you really getting out of a night like last night?
11:02Not a ton.
11:03I mean, you're getting information, I think, about Seth Curry and yeah, I mean, he fits
11:07and he can shoot it and he's great.
11:08And Pat Spencer, when you go to Pat Spencer, he plays and he plays hard and he's not always
11:14that good, but he's a guy who you could keep as your 12th or 13th guy without a problem.
11:18But I do think about like the future when D'Anthony Melton comes back and Steph comes
11:24back and Al Horford in theory gets healthy and you start to like, look at your real 10
11:29man rotation.
11:30You start to look at who's going to be on the outside looking in and you've got guys like
11:34Guy Santos.
11:35Fine.
11:36He's going to be on the outside.
11:37Quentin Post.
11:38I don't know how much he'll play TJD.
11:41He's now in that third team, but you start to look at the trade deadline and I look at
11:45Buddy Heald as a guy where if Seth Curry continues to shoot better than Buddy, like why would
11:51you have Buddy and Seth on the team?
11:53So I think about the deadline and you know, we're 43 days away from when they can trade
11:58Jonathan Kaminga.
11:59And if you really want to make a trade with Kaminga, you want to add somebody to it.
12:04And Buddy Heald makes about seven or eight million and that's a real added piece to where
12:09you can get somebody who is a 35 or $40 million a year veteran who can come in and actually
12:14help you.
12:15Maybe.
12:15Yeah.
12:15And remember, like in the breaking news just came earlier today, D'Anthony Melton will
12:19debut tomorrow night in Philadelphia.
12:22And so you keep adding guards to the mix.
12:25And I think it furthers your point.
12:27Like Seth Curry, that was a really encouraging start to his Warriors career.
12:31And now there's going to be D'Anthony Melton, who we know, if he's healthy, they want him
12:36to be a key piece in this whole thing.
12:38All right.
12:39So who gets moved down the bench or off of the bench?
12:42Because these two guys, at least so far, I think they're going to stay.
12:47I think they're going to stay.
12:48I think they're going to get minutes.
12:50So yeah, Buddy Heald, Pods, Kaminga, Moody, all of the wings.
12:56I don't know.
12:57And Pat Spencer's on a two-way deal, and he only gets 55 games anyway, so you're going
13:02to use him when you need him.
13:04And if he gets close to that limit, you can go ahead and send him back to Santa Cruz, and
13:07that's fine, because that's what you have as an option for Pat Spencer.
13:11But for me, it's more about Buddy.
13:13And I guess to a lesser extent, it's about Moses Moody.
13:16I do think you still want Moody, because he is a good defender.
13:20And Buddy, if he's not making threes, what does Buddy do for you?
13:23Yeah, and he's not as bad defensively as I think people often blame him, but he's not
13:29as good as Moses Moody.
13:31I agree, although Moody's having a little bit of a tough stretch.
13:34All right, so we're asking, from Steve Kerr on up, are the Warriors doing a good job?
13:38What do you think right now?
13:398 at 8, 957, 9570.
13:42Mick in San Bruno is next up.
13:44Hi, Mick.
13:44Thank you for the call.
13:46Hey, how's it going, guys?
13:47What's up?
13:48So listen, listen, do you hear me?
13:50We got you.
13:51Yep.
13:51Okay, so listen, it starts with Dunleavy on up.
13:56Let's talk about Dunleavy.
13:58We spent a whole off-season without making a significant move.
14:03You know, we got Horford.
14:05But Horford, you know, was 40 years old, and he was going to continuously have injuries.
14:11If you ever got Horford when he was with Atlanta and he went to Boston, that was the year that
14:16I was really in favor of Horford coming to the Warriors when he was a free agent.
14:21But they didn't get him.
14:22Okay, next, you look at Kerr.
14:25And Kerr, he can only coach with what he has.
14:29They are a slow, small team.
14:32When they were champions years ago, they could get by with a smaller team.
14:38And they really didn't have a small team, because every once in a while, they would have a big man to fill up the middle.
14:46This, they don't have it all now.
14:49And so, therefore, you know, you just are not going to compete against a team.
14:55Then look at Steph.
14:57Steph is a great player.
14:59Don't get me wrong.
15:00I love Steph Curry.
15:01Steph Curry's my guy.
15:03But he also is a turnover freak.
15:07And he turns the ball over five, seven, eight times a game himself.
15:11If you equate those turnovers into points, this is hypothetically, those turnovers turn into points,
15:19he has given up 16 points a game.
15:22You take that away from his overall score, he's just a regular player.
15:26Sure, Draymond, should have got rid of Draymond two years ago.
15:31Should have got rid of Draymond two years ago.
15:33Draymond certainly defensively is the guy and all those good things.
15:38But throwing up those bricks, the three-pointers consistently, he doesn't even have a shot.
15:44Okay, Buddy Hill should have never came back.
15:47I don't know why they re-signed Buddy Hill.
15:50Buddy Hill was the clubhouse favorite.
15:54You know, he got along with everybody, made everybody laugh, you know.
15:58Mick, let me jump in on that.
16:00They didn't ever re-sign Buddy Hill.
16:02Buddy Hill was, this was the, and thank you, Mick, very much.
16:05This was the contract that they acquired and it was all part of that Klay Thompson massive 413 team deal
16:13or whatever the whole thing was.
16:15So there was no re-signing of that.
16:17And that's actually a pretty affordable deal.
16:20I don't know how controversial the whole Buddy Hill thing is.
16:25We do hear a lot.
16:26I hear a lot of people, boy, they should have traded Draymond two years ago.
16:30I just think, it's not that you can't have that opinion, but I hope you know you're screaming into the wind.
16:36Like, the Golden State Warriors, come hell or high water, have felt for years.
16:42I remember when Monty Poole came on our show two and a half years ago.
16:45And we talked about moving Draymond Green.
16:48And you remember damn well what he said.
16:50Yep.
16:50He goes, the first thing the Warriors would try to do if they move off of Draymond Green is go find another Draymond Green.
16:57Yep.
16:57And so I know he's a very non-traditional basketball player.
17:01But good teams value a lot of the things he does.
17:06Is he a headache sometimes?
17:08Sure he is.
17:09Is he awkward on offense?
17:10You damn well better bet.
17:12Does he make Steph Curry better?
17:14And is he brilliant on defense?
17:15Check and check.
17:17And the organization's going to pay for that every time until Steph retires.
17:21That's right.
17:21Period.
17:22And you're going to keep chasing it with veterans and you're not going to trade Draymond or trade Jimmy.
17:27I don't believe in all the talk about like, oh, package Jimmy and whoever for Giannis.
17:32I don't think that's going to happen now.
17:34Even if Giannis wanted to be a warrior toward the end of the Steph run, I don't think that's going to happen.
17:39And so, yeah, and this is where I wonder about people who criticize the offseason.
17:44I don't know what they could have done.
17:46You're not going to trade Steph and you're not going to trade Jimmy.
17:49And you're going to keep Draymond Green because, like you said, Monty Poole told us that if you trade Draymond, you're looking for another Draymond.
17:56So what are you going to do?
17:57And J.K., you couldn't sign and trade him, really.
18:01I mean, you tried to, but no team wanted to pay.
18:03And no team wanted to give you half on the dollar, remember, in the sign and trade, if you sign up for $25,000, you only get $12 million back.
18:10$12 million back.
18:11I totally get it.
18:13Monty Poole said something to Stein and Gu, though, that I thought was really interesting, and it's just this fact.
18:18However they played the offseason, we sit here today where J.K. is aware that the Warriors tried to trade him,
18:25and the Warriors are aware that J.K. was fine with it.
18:29And that leads to a relationship that's some kind of way.
18:33Like, I've always said this, and take it from two people who have been through it.
18:38If you sit down with your significant other and start talking about divorce, just do it.
18:46You're out.
18:47You're out.
18:48You don't, like, at that level of a relationship, you don't, like, should we move on?
18:53Yeah, I think we should.
18:54All right, change your mind.
18:55Let's stay.
18:56You're out.
18:57Both of these parties have one and a half feet out the door.
19:01But it's funny you say that, because even when you have that conversation, you might have two weeks where it's like, yeah.
19:06Yeah, this was fun.
19:07This is great.
19:08Like, we're back.
19:09Which is what happened.
19:11Exactly.
19:11So it's like two or three weeks of like, yeah, you know, this is just like the old days.
19:14And then, you know, three weeks go by, and then she does something, or you do something, or you both do something.
19:19And, you know, J.K. takes a couple of mid-range shots, and now he doesn't play in the fourth quarter.
19:23And his agent tweets, and it's like, yeah, call my divorce lawyer again.
19:28Kevin Pleasanton says, shame on Willard and shame on Dibs.
19:32Let's take it.
19:33All right, Kevin Pleasanton.
19:35I wonder who has more shame, you or me.
19:37Let's go, Kev.
19:38What's up?
19:38Okay.
19:39Gentlemen, gentlemen, listen.
19:41So, again, I've called you guys a few times, and I just want to say, my son's a college coach.
19:48What goes on, and my mom played pro ball.
19:50So I'm not a fan.
19:52I just care about players.
19:53So listen, what goes on in the locker room, guys, all the noise outside, Steve Kerkencare flying, you know what.
20:01That's true.
20:01He does not care.
20:02That's true.
20:02Okay.
20:03So that's number one.
20:04Number two, it's sad that he took away the Jeremy Lin moment for Pat Spencer.
20:11I agree.
20:11Okay?
20:12I agree.
20:12Because right now, as fans, the Warrior fans, they're not having any fun.
20:18The stadium was empty last night.
20:19No, it wasn't.
20:20It wasn't empty, but it was empty compared to comparatively.
20:24Yeah, I was there, Kev.
20:26So, no, it was not empty.
20:28That's not true.
20:29No, but you know what I'm saying.
20:31It's not as cool, and I'm saying it's just fun.
20:34It's not as fun.
20:35It was dead.
20:36We were a bunch of dead fish in the first half because it was a snooze.
20:40But the second half, Kevin, was lit.
20:42It was lit.
20:43It was lit because of the guys were playing with some vigor and fight.
20:49I agree.
20:50That's all we can hope for.
20:51But it's just sad, though.
20:53Ten years ago, that lineup was not a Steph-only lineup.
20:58That was everybody ate.
21:00Now, the lineup is Steph-eats.
21:04And, unfortunately, it was constructed, and you guys were heading towards that direction, what you were saying.
21:11It was just headed that way with how it was constructed.
21:13And so, until Kerr either leaves or we stop selling Steph jerseys, which ain't going to happen, we're stuck with this.
21:23It's just unfair that we're blaming players because it's the system.
21:28Because, quite frankly, guys, if you guys were on Kerr as you are on Kyle Shanahan when he messes up, it would be a different story.
21:36It really would.
21:38So, Kev, first of all, I failed to hear the shame on Willard, shame on Dib's part, number one.
21:44But, number two, like, I think that some of what we're talking about here, when we do this whole, like, oh, it's too much about Steph and all of that stuff.
21:55What did you want them to do?
21:58What did you all?
22:00That part is where I'll push back.
22:02What do you want the Warriors to do?
22:04Cut Steph?
22:06Not re-sign him?
22:08Trade him for pick?
22:09Like, what did you want them to do?
22:10Part of this is just the natural evolution of a dynasty and a great player.
22:17It's natural.
22:18Yep, and having the highest paid player in basketball.
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