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Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond
We talk with Richard Walsh about the moment a thriving business turns into an owner prison and how losing everything forces a hard reset on identity, priorities, and faith. We leave with a simple challenge: build systems that protect your time, show up for your family, and finish well.
• Why “sharpen the spear” means constant growth in faith, mindset, and discipline
• Richard’s path from the Marine Corps to entrepreneurship and reinvention
• The identity trap of becoming what you do
• The 2008 to 2009 crash and the decision to choose family over status
• What Escape The Owner Prison teaches about delegation, systems, and vision
• How businesses strain marriages and why grace keeps relationships alive
• Fatherhood, homeschooling, and raising kids with purpose
• Why waiting for perfect conditions can keep life on hold
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Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond
We talk with Richard Walsh about the moment a thriving business turns into an owner prison and how losing everything forces a hard reset on identity, priorities, and faith. We leave with a simple challenge: build systems that protect your time, show up for your family, and finish well.
• Why “sharpen the spear” means constant growth in faith, mindset, and discipline
• Richard’s path from the Marine Corps to entrepreneurship and reinvention
• The identity trap of becoming what you do
• The 2008 to 2009 crash and the decision to choose family over status
• What Escape The Owner Prison teaches about delegation, systems, and vision
• How businesses strain marriages and why grace keeps relationships alive
• Fatherhood, homeschooling, and raising kids with purpose
• Why waiting for perfect conditions can keep life on hold
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00:00Hello, welcome to another episode of Perstitutionalist Podcast.
00:06I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard.
00:09That's L-E-N-A-R-D.
00:12It looks French.
00:13It's not.
00:14It's Leonard without an O.
00:17Thank you for tuning in, as Graham Norton used to say, on his show.
00:24Let's get on with the show!
00:28For those looking on the five behind-the-scenes video channels, sneak peek videos, you will
00:40see, oh, first let me say, this is a cheat intro again, kind of like I do on Saturdays
00:47if I'm presenting a video exclusive from prior, the same cheat.
00:54You'll see the same, or here on the 40-ish audio-only platforms, this same mini intro, but I am
01:06wearing the Book of Kennedy Project Carpe Diem book shirt because welcome to Books Slash Authors
01:17Week, just one week for April of 2026.
01:23Prior, I had Books Slash Authors Weeks this time to get caught up on some back interviews
01:32of authors.
01:33I'm doing a singular Books Slash Authors Week for April 2026, Monday through Friday.
01:45Also, I want to say, at the end of each episode, I will tack on one of my newer, more
01:54recent,
01:54and Suno-created songs.
01:57If you remember, my dad, Ted Leonard Jr., the Polka Kings, tinyurl.com, the Polka Kings,
02:05to see that tribute page to him.
02:07He had a record deal.
02:08I used to write and record music the old way, you know, get out a piece of sheet music and
02:14write out the actual song on the sheet music, the chords, the notes, the lyrics, but all my
02:25equipment's been long sold off, but thanks to Suno AI Music System, I'm back to writing lyrics
02:36and releasing music again.
02:39Thank you, Suno.
02:41So, each day, Monday through Friday of Books Slash Authors Week, 2026, April, I will tack
02:52on a Suno-aided-created new song from Joseph and Leonard, J. Leonard Detroit on Suno.
03:03So, thank you to them, and I've already delayed things, so without further ado, let's get to
03:10an author.
03:11Joining me today will be Richard Walsh.
03:16In his Podmatch bio, it says, Sharpen the Spear Coaching.
03:23That, to me, caught my eye, and indeed, you know, Christian-speaking, iron helps forge iron.
03:33Oh, if I could, it's always, why does this always happen?
03:36I hit record, and the brain and the mouth don't want to work.
03:40So, I love that.
03:43Indeed, Sharpen the Spear.
03:45In a figurative sense, not a literal sense.
03:50Well, he's not joined the program yet.
03:54But I'm recording this a little early because you all know me.
04:00I can't pass the jokes.
04:03So, I was going to ask him if he's related to John Walsh, America's Most Wanted.
04:11John, who lost his son at early age due to crime.
04:17So, he helped produce and starred in America's Most Wanted, which helped bring people to justice.
04:27But I was going to joke with Richard Walsh.
04:30Are you related to John Walsh?
04:32Well, I'm recording early before Richard even joins because I want to do a little rant about John Walsh.
04:40Now, I still feel horrible for him.
04:43I can't imagine losing the son the way he did and having to deal with that.
04:49As a Christian, wanted some good to come out of that bad.
04:54Sometimes bad happens to good people.
04:58And hence, the America's Most Wanted to help get justice for others, get criminals off the street to protect other
05:09people's children.
05:11But I wanted to mention his Omega XL commercials.
05:16Full disclosure, fibromyalgia is one of the many health issues I have that flares up on and off from time
05:26to time.
05:27So, I take relief factor.
05:30I'm on disability.
05:32Medicare doesn't cover it.
05:35So, I take it as I can when the fibro flares up.
05:41I can't afford the out-of-pocket to take it twice a day, every day, 365 days a year.
05:50I wish I could because, yes, it does help.
05:53Omega XL, does it help?
05:55Joint pain, as John Walsh advertised it does?
05:59I don't know.
06:00How much it costs, how expensive it is, I don't know.
06:03But the point I wanted to make about Omega XL people and John, really, you're bragging about how rich you
06:13are and a tough day of working with your show ponies.
06:19Uh-huh.
06:20The average person that you're trying to sell Omega XL to can't relate to that.
06:30But maybe they're only advertising to rich people.
06:34Maybe only rich people can afford it.
06:36But anyway, none of that has anything to do with Richard's appearance.
06:42But you know me, my ADHD, OCD brain can't help but want to joke Richard Walsh, no relation to John
06:54Walsh.
06:55And therefore, the rabbit hole of the rant opens up.
06:59Okay, well, I'm going to stop all that.
07:02The recording is going to keep running until Richard actually joins.
07:08And I'll be cutting out that section.
07:13So next, we'll be welcoming Richard.
07:18Joining me, as promised, today is Richard Walsh.
07:23Now, I let him know I had already had the recording going because I did an opening.
07:30My audience knows my ADHD, OCD brain goes, I can't help the jokes.
07:37And I get down rants.
07:40So, I did an opening rant about John Walsh.
07:45You're not related to John Walsh at all, right?
07:48Not as far as I know.
07:50Right.
07:51I didn't think so.
07:52So, I figured I'd record that before you even got here.
07:56We'll let you know that I was joking about that.
08:01So, officially, welcome to the show, Richard Walsh.
08:05Thank you, Joseph.
08:06Appreciate it.
08:06Looking forward to, you know, getting into this.
08:09Yes, yes.
08:10Now, your PodMatch profile, and I make no bones, I make no secret that I use PodMatch as a-
08:17Great platform.
08:18It is a wonderful platform where guests can meet hosts and hosts can meet guests.
08:25Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
08:28But on your profile, I saw and I responded, love it.
08:33Sharpen the spear coaching.
08:37So, before we get to the usual first question, I can't help but want to rush into and ask, did
08:44the Christian iron sharpens iron concept lead to that?
08:51Yeah, it's part of it, of course, because, you know, I have a warrior mentality as well, which is also
08:57a biblical perspective, both in spiritual warfare and physical warfare.
09:02The Bible in full context.
09:04Yes, there's warrior aspects, there's peace aspects, there's love, there's war.
09:11You got Jesus' tough love parts as well as the love, the kumbaya run, the campfire.
09:18You got to take it all together.
09:20That's right.
09:21That's right.
09:22And I'm also a U.S. Marine.
09:23I'm a champion boxer.
09:24I'm a black belt.
09:25I'm all those things, right?
09:26So, it's kind of part of who I am.
09:28So, that's part of it.
09:29And sharpening the spear, again, is the same principle, right?
09:32A sharpens iron sharpens iron because, you know, it's kind of like a dull knife.
09:38It's not good for anything except maybe cutting your skin.
09:41Buttering your toast.
09:42Yeah.
09:44That's it.
09:44So, you know, so the whole point is we are always sharpening ourselves, whether that's in the Word of God
09:50or in our business.
09:51Like, I help businesses, right?
09:53That's my big thing in manufacturing and things like that.
09:55So, it's a powerful tool.
09:57And for me, it's a great analogy.
10:00Yes.
10:01Now, we should all be wanting to sharpen ourselves mentally and physically.
10:08But sadly, there are a lot of purposefully dull people who aren't interested in being better people.
10:17And it's in part what Jesus said, I discussed many times on my show, the poor will always be among
10:24you.
10:24That's not an economic statement.
10:26It's not a government statement.
10:28It's a human nature statement.
10:32It's part of the humanity.
10:35There will always be some who try to do more to find ways to do less, do little, or do
10:44nothing, try to co-spy, especially if there's people always willing to give them things.
10:52Yeah.
10:53Anyway, let me back this thing up, right?
10:56Beep, beep, beep.
10:58Because my usual first question is, let's get back to that, is, oh, I did an ah.
11:07You know, I've gotten much better with the ahs and the ums, but every once in a while.
11:11And I got a bad habit of saying, right, right, right?
11:15Oh, I got to watch that.
11:17But I do, as an ongoing running gag, still do on purpose at any rate as a segue.
11:24So, at any rate, the usual first question is, where were you born and raised?
11:32Where are you now?
11:33Significant places you may have been between and stuff like that.
11:37Yeah, that's a, yeah, that's a long, it's a long journey.
11:41Well, give us, give us the abridged, yeah.
11:45I was born in a town called Waukegan, Illinois, and then kind of moved a little bit north from there.
11:51Grew up in the general Chicagoland area, for the most part.
11:54Spent some time in Arizona.
11:55Went in the Marine Corps.
11:57Spent more time in the desert, and that's why I don't live in the desert anymore.
12:00I've had enough of the desert.
12:01So, I'm in Wisconsin now.
12:03I'm in Beloit, Wisconsin, the southern tip of Wisconsin.
12:07You don't run a fraudulent daycare, do you?
12:10No, no, that's, no, I don't know if they have a lot of those here.
12:13That's mostly Minnesota, but they've got that.
12:16But, no, here is, we just have cold, lots of cold in the winter.
12:20I'm in Michigan, so I feel you.
12:22I know, so we got that, and that's okay.
12:24It's, as I like to say, weeds out the week.
12:27You know, that's a good thing.
12:29So, yeah, from there, you know, I just, I mean, I grew up, you know, good family.
12:33Father, mother, got two brothers.
12:36End up, you know, getting through high school, barely.
12:38Decided to go in the Marine Corps.
12:40I was going to try college.
12:41I was standing in line at the community college with my little check on my schedule behind, like, 30 other
12:47kids.
12:47And I'm like, I'm looking around going, you've got to be kidding me.
12:51There's no way I'm doing this.
12:52And I ripped it up, threw it in the trash, and went and joined the Marine Corps.
12:55I'm like, I hated high school.
12:56Why would I subject myself to this again?
12:59It just wasn't the way I learned.
13:00And so I didn't do well at all.
13:03I can brag on my 1.7 grade point average.
13:05Okay.
13:06And as a friend.
13:08That doesn't mean you're stupid.
13:10No, it doesn't.
13:11In the least, you learn other ways.
13:14You self-educate yourself in other ways.
13:18That's right.
13:18And you have common sense, which a lot of the pseudo-intellects have zero common sense.
13:26It's true.
13:26Yeah.
13:26A friend of mine the other day said, did you get a 2.0 if you just turn in your
13:31homework?
13:31And he looked at me and he goes, you didn't turn in your homework, did you?
13:33And I go, no, never.
13:36He's like, oh, my God.
13:39For the benefit of the transcript, we're laughing.
13:42But here's the thing, and you're right, because I went in the Marine Corps, great education of life and perseverance
13:50and everything else.
13:51So that was really good.
13:52Got out, started my own business.
13:54I was working swinging a pickaxe for five bucks an hour.
13:57That's where it all began.
13:59I'm doing that as a job when I came out of the Marine Corps, so it wasn't looking like a
14:02real bright future.
14:05But then a guy asked me to do a side gig, Joseph, and he's like, hey, I need your help
14:09on the weekend.
14:09Can you come by on Saturday and shovel some rock for me?
14:12I'm like, yeah, I swing a pick all day.
14:14That's no problem.
14:14So showed up.
14:15He had 35 tons of gravel in the front yard, in the street.
14:19Okay.
14:20And he wanted me to wheelbarrow that to the backyard, spread it.
14:22This is in Tucson, Arizona, you know, so I can do that.
14:24I do that all day.
14:25So it took about 10 hours, 100 degree weather.
14:28Got that done.
14:29But the best part, Joseph, he came out and he put $1,000 in my hand.
14:33Okay.
14:34Now I'm looking at this going, man, I did this yesterday for 40 bucks.
14:39Okay.
14:39I'm giving $5 an hour.
14:40I'm like, I know my future.
14:43Like I will shovel rock every day, all day for $1,000 a day.
14:47Right now, this is the late 80s, right?
14:49This is like 87 or whatever it was, you know.
14:51So that $1,000 would be more like $2,500 a day.
14:55Yes.
14:56Yeah.
14:56It was amazing, right?
14:57But I'm like, okay.
14:58So I, you know, launched into making a landscape business doing that.
15:01Then ended up turning it into custom water features.
15:03So what, you know, ponds, waterfall, streams became one of the best in the world.
15:07Can you fix my birdbath?
15:09Yo, Gavin.
15:10Birdbaths, you know, they're beyond my pay grade.
15:12They're beyond my pay grade.
15:13I can't, you know, every man's got his limits.
15:16But, again, for the transcript, we're laughing.
15:20That's a joke.
15:20Yeah, so I started doing steel sculpture as well.
15:25Taught myself how to weld into steel sculpture.
15:27Ended up doing world-class exhibits, right?
15:30Doing these unbelievable things, you know, and Navy Pier and all over the world, right?
15:35So that was really cool.
15:36That was going really well.
15:37And then 08, 09 hit.
15:3809 kind of lost everything, right?
15:40The economy crashed.
15:41I lost my business, lost my home.
15:43I had six kids, four years and younger at the time.
15:46My wife kind of had to, like, really start over from nothing.
15:50So we did because we don't have other options.
15:54You know, when you're at the bottom, you only got one option.
15:56That's to go back up.
15:57You can roll over, lay down in a fetal position and cry, or you can get yourself up and dust
16:04yourself off and find a new path.
16:07That's it.
16:08Which you did, thankfully.
16:10Yeah, here's the big thing.
16:12Here's the big epiphany, though, Joseph, at that time.
16:14So really working hard.
16:16My identity was in what I did.
16:19Okay, like a lot of guys.
16:21They are what they do, right?
16:22Or they should.
16:23They should not be that way.
16:24I was a former IT guy.
16:27And, yeah, deep inside, that's still who I am.
16:31And it's tough not being able to do that now on disability.
16:35It drives me crazy.
16:37I want to be working.
16:38I don't want to be.
16:40Yeah, I love my podcast, but I'd rather be doing that.
16:45Yeah, well, I'm, you know, so I'm the number one pond builder, sculptor guy, all this stuff.
16:51And then everything's kind of collapsing around me.
16:53And there's a couple of things.
16:54First thing is when what you do is your identity, you make a lot of bad decisions because you want
17:02to keep that alive because it's your identity.
17:04And that's what happened to me, started making a lot of bad decisions to keep the business alive, even though
17:09in one day, November 5th, 2008, I lost a half a million dollars on that day.
17:14People just canceling contracts because the election just happened and everyone was terrified of what was going to happen.
17:20And nobody was spending money on anything.
17:22It was wild.
17:23If you're around there, right, you had the whole housing thing and all that stuff.
17:26So it was crazy.
17:27And I hung up the phone at the end of the day, just from like, I looked at my office
17:30manager.
17:31I'm like, I think it's over.
17:33Like, how are we going to recover from this?
17:35And it just kept going off the cliff from there.
17:37So I woke up one morning and I'm thinking about my six little kids.
17:41Okay.
17:42Again, four and under.
17:43And I'm like, you know, they really don't care what I do for a business.
17:48They don't care how many trucks I have.
17:50They don't care, you know, what kind of house we live in.
17:51They care whether you can feed and clothe and house them.
17:55Well, yeah.
17:55No, they cared if I was around.
17:58I came in the door.
17:59They'd all, you know, run, crawl to me, do that whole thing, saying, leave.
18:02And one day my four-year-old was chasing my truck out the driveway crying.
18:06And I just kept going.
18:08You know, because I got to work, you know, do that whole thing.
18:10So the epiphany was, and God really opened this kind of window to the future.
18:15It's like, you know, Richard, you stay on this path.
18:17Like, all your kids are going to, they're going to have failed relationships, broken marriages.
18:22Okay, maybe they'll be okay in business.
18:24Probably not because I was kind of failing, right?
18:26But they only, they only do what they see.
18:30You can tell your kids more is caught than taught, right?
18:32That's the whole deal.
18:33So I like, I'm like, man, that's, I got up out of bed, walked in the office and said, we're
18:39done today.
18:40Shut it down, went to my construction yard, told my guys, had my last cup of coffee with them.
18:45And I'm like, guys, I can't do this anymore.
18:47I'm not doing this.
18:48I'm not going to be a, I'm not going to be known for what I am.
18:51So I literally then went back home, had a bonfire in the back and burned all my uniforms.
18:55I burned everything.
18:56I said, I'll never, I'll never be owned by my business again.
19:00I'm not going to serve it.
19:02And I did that.
19:03And to this day, so it's been like 17 years.
19:06I haven't built a water feature or done a sculpture in 17 years.
19:10You know, I asked to go back and, nope, I'm not going to do it because I'm not going to
19:12get pulled back into that.
19:13I just wanted to go on and make a different, you know, I had to be,
19:17how can I be around for my kids?
19:19Right.
19:19How can they be there?
19:20Because we wanted to homeschool, want to homeschool them all the way through.
19:22I got six kids.
19:23Right.
19:23So I'm like, well, how am I going to do that?
19:25You know?
19:25So, so from a business standpoint, Joseph, I just, I had one thing as I tried to figure out what
19:30I'm going to do.
19:31I love training.
19:31I'm a fitness guy and boxer and all this stuff.
19:34Right.
19:34So I said, well, I'll open a gym.
19:37You know, first I was a trainer at a gym, like an anytime fitness became trainer of the year in
19:41like no time.
19:42Right.
19:42So I'm like, well, as an entrepreneur, that means I got to open the gym.
19:45So I opened the gym, bootcamp style training and doing all that.
19:47But my goal was, okay, if my wife calls me and needs me, I want to be able to be
19:53there in 15 minutes.
19:55That was the premise that I built the whole business on.
19:58How do I build a business that lets me do that?
20:01And that's what I did.
20:02And it kind of became my thing.
20:03So I did the gym.
20:04I built a construction business.
20:06You know, I did that kind of stuff.
20:07And it was all that got to be around my kids.
20:10Got to help my mom.
20:10Now my wife didn't call me much.
20:12She really didn't need me.
20:14Just saying, she's pretty tough.
20:16But, but, you know, the whole principle was like, and I could pop in, I could do things, you know,
20:19always be with the kids.
20:20And we were able to fulfill that all the way till now my youngest just turned 18, just a couple
20:25days ago.
20:27And they're all out.
20:28They're all doing their thing.
20:29And it's just amazing.
20:30Right.
20:30We did it.
20:31Homeschooled them all the way through.
20:32They're all great.
20:33One's in the Marine Corps, you know, everyone's doing their stuff.
20:36And it's, it was a great journey.
20:38So that kind of brings us up to where we're at today.
20:40Today, they're coaching businesses and things like that.
20:43Yeah.
20:44I'm glad you used, excuse me.
20:48I hit record and the brain and the mouth don't work and all of a sudden a frog shows up
20:53in the throat always.
20:55How does that happen almost every time?
20:58But enough ranting about that.
21:00I'm glad you used the word window.
21:04I use that all the time.
21:06The saying, one door closes, God will open another door.
21:11No, not necessarily.
21:12A lot of times he's over there screaming at you, go through the window, dummy.
21:18Right.
21:20There's the opportunity.
21:22You may not be dressed up quite the way you expect it to, want it to, prefer it to.
21:28But pay attention to the signs.
21:32And indeed, a window may open if the door closes for you to crawl through as, as you gave that
21:40analogy also.
21:41So I love that you use that.
21:43So that brings us indeed to sharpen the spear coaching.
21:49Yeah.
21:49So, you know, I wrote a book.
21:51So I wrote a book called Escape the Owner Prison because I experienced that, right, for 20 years.
21:57Like if I didn't open the door, the business didn't happen.
21:59I was the artist.
22:01I'm the guy building things.
22:02I mean, I have crews and I got all that, but it really was the business was hinged on me.
22:05It was my identity, right?
22:06It's who I am.
22:07So I wrote, so I started after I did the gym and my construction business, people, other entrepreneurs started asking
22:14me, well, how'd you do that?
22:15How'd you go from all that to nothing back to, and I'd say, well, what are you doing?
22:19And I started talking about what they're doing, and the patterns were all the same.
22:23Every business I talked to, they're all doing the same wrong things, right?
22:27So I'm just, you know, and now I joke and I say, you guys all do the right, wrong things.
22:30I can help you, you know, so it's okay.
22:33And that's a big problem with human nature is we don't learn from others' mistakes to help prevent us from
22:42making them.
22:44Well, it's a thing in entrepreneurship where you're, we're a limited number, right?
22:50We're a small demographic, people who are willing to take that risk and push for something they believe in, are
22:56passionate about, and they want to make it happen.
22:57So oftentimes we're not big on asking for help.
23:01I was the king of not asking for help, okay?
23:05As I always tell people, I had billionaire clients trying to help me.
23:08I'm like, well, what do you know?
23:09You don't build water features.
23:11You just own manufacturing plants and professional sports teams and everything else, but what do you know, right?
23:17That's the level of stupid I operated at, okay?
23:20And it's just because I was just so arrogant and prideful that I just, I'm doing this on my own.
23:27I'm going to take all the credit.
23:28Took me twice as long, it's twice as hard, but I did it.
23:31But, but again, that, that, that identity aspect and the humility that God brought, just taking everything away, which I
23:39tell people, I go, that's the only thing that could have happened.
23:43There was no saving the business.
23:45It's like, if, if I didn't lose everything, I could have never been where I am today.
23:50This, this is what God does.
23:51Sometimes it takes that, exactly.
23:53Well, it's, it's, you know, it's what they say, you know, God can't put anything into a closed fist, right?
24:00If that hand doesn't stay open, if you don't let stuff come and go, okay, God can't help you.
24:06You know, he wants to help you.
24:08He can take, well, he might take that out and put a bigger thing in there, right?
24:11You're faithful in the little while he's ready to give you the much, right?
24:15But if you're holding on to the little, like it's a death grip, okay, you have no room for the
24:19much, right?
24:20So you're impeding God's, God's will for you, right?
24:24His, his plan for you.
24:25So it's really important.
24:26That's well put.
24:27But I like that.
24:28Now, what is the name of the book again so I can write it down?
24:32I didn't have that in the book.
24:33Escape, escape the owner prison.
24:36Escape the owner prison?
24:39Prison.
24:40Prison.
24:41Okay.
24:42That makes sense.
24:43Because that's what a business can be for most people.
24:46They don't, they don't, they don't define it that way, but it's a prison.
24:50You know, you're told what to do, when to do, even though you think you're your own boss.
24:53You know, you don't have control of your time.
24:55You're at everyone else's disposal all the time.
24:57I mean, it's far worse than being an employee if you let it, if you don't understand what you have
25:02to do to correct that.
25:03So, yeah, my big thing was really, how do I, how do I help people not make that mistake?
25:08Take 20 years to figure it out.
25:09Okay.
25:10Because what people do, Joseph, is they work really hard the first two years.
25:14And you have to.
25:14There's no secret sauce to not work really hard your first two years, wear a lot of hats, get this
25:20thing off the launch pad.
25:21Right.
25:22Most businesses fail within the first three.
25:26Yeah.
25:26Because they may have missed some of the work they needed to put in.
25:31Right.
25:31So, so what I found was that's all good.
25:35They're working hard for two years.
25:36But then next thing you know, 10 years has gone by and they've repeated the first two, five times.
25:41That's the hamster wheel, right?
25:42That's the prison.
25:43They're still doing everything.
25:44They haven't delegated.
25:45They haven't built systems, haven't done processes.
25:47They don't have a true vision of where they're going, what they want, how long they want to do this,
25:51how much they want for it when they get done.
25:53They don't have any of that.
25:54They just have, I'm making a little bit more money now.
25:57And look, I have trucks and I have this and I have that and this.
25:59And they have things.
26:01They don't have time, but they got things.
26:03Okay.
26:04So they missed their kids' first soccer game.
26:06You know, never going to get that back.
26:08Okay.
26:08That kind of stuff is all gone, right?
26:10All because you're working for that freedom that you never get.
26:14Okay.
26:14So that's the trap, right?
26:15That's the prison.
26:16So, so again, I got that book out.
26:19It became a bestseller, which was awesome.
26:20I was helping a lot of people.
26:22I was coaching people, starting to really kind of, you know, create programs for them and really turn their businesses
26:26around.
26:26And I, I started to realize, you know what I'm really doing?
26:29I'm saving families.
26:32I'm saving families because a business, I can give it a label.
26:37I can call it, it's like a mistress.
26:40It, it wants to be with you all the time.
26:42It, it wants you thinking about it in the middle of the night.
26:44It wants you showing up early and late.
26:47It wants you to leave your family for it.
26:49Exactly.
26:50It's going to, it's always going to be a distraction.
26:52And, and time, time waits for no one, right?
26:56Like I said, oh, great.
26:57Your kids are one.
26:58They don't, you know, they don't even know I'm anybody.
27:00Well, all of a sudden they're five and then they're 10, then they're 15 and they're gone.
27:04And they've never really seen their dad.
27:06You don't know who they are.
27:06You know what they do.
27:07They don't have memories.
27:09And you've done all this for, for them.
27:10You didn't have the important, uh, uh, dad figure, right?
27:17The priorities to be the good example to help shape them as humans.
27:22Yeah.
27:22Cause again, more is caught than taught.
27:24Yeah.
27:25You know, I love that you use that phrase.
27:27That's great.
27:28What are you going to see as they grow?
27:31And if they get married, great.
27:32And they have kids, you, you know what you're going to see?
27:34You're going to see you in them.
27:37They're going to do the same thing.
27:39They're going to, unless they intentionally say, I'm not going to be like my dad.
27:44I'm going to, I'm going to be around for my family.
27:46But like that all.
27:48The Harry Chapin song.
27:50Right.
27:51That's in the cradle.
27:52Comes to mind.
27:54A great song.
27:56And we all need to learn.
27:59Now, my ex-wife and I never had any kids.
28:02So I never had any of that issue or situation.
28:09And of course, I look back and at times I'm glad we didn't because now I don't have the
28:16money to help raise them on disability.
28:20But, you know, my life is lacking for that.
28:25Yeah.
28:25Yeah.
28:25Children are a blessing.
28:26I mean, it's, it's Psalm 127.
28:28Right.
28:28I mean, you know, blessed is a man's hand is, you know, is the like arrows in the hand
28:33of a mighty warrior.
28:34Blessed is a man whose quiver is full of them.
28:36You know, now that's cool.
28:38My kids are arrows, but you know what you got to do with your kids.
28:40Right.
28:40You know, you do with arrows.
28:41They don't do much in the quiver.
28:43You got to, you got to send them down range.
28:46Okay.
28:46And a lot of people have forgotten that today.
28:48Why is your, why is your third year old living in your basement?
28:51Okay.
28:53We launch arrows.
28:54You said it got me.
28:55Yeah.
28:56But yeah.
28:57I'm just speaking real.
28:57Again.
28:58Yeah.
28:59It goes back to, like I said earlier, the poor will always, okay.
29:03Human condition, human nature, especially if we allow them to be lazy and Atlas shrugged,
29:11right?
29:11More and more people wanting to climb in the cart and less and less people able to pull it.
29:17Yeah.
29:17It's, it's, it's, you know, I think personally in our country, in the U.S. alone, probably
29:23worldwide, but really here, we, the, the biggest plague is fatherlessness.
29:29Okay.
29:29There's no role models.
29:31There's no men in the home.
29:32Yeah.
29:32The whole nuclear family.
29:33Cultural Marxist destruction of the family.
29:35Yes.
29:36Exactly.
29:36So there's no nuclear family.
29:37So there's no role model.
29:38So you have young, angry boys growing up who become angry men.
29:45Okay.
29:46And they're purposeless, right?
29:47They just drift.
29:48They have nothing.
29:49You know, they're playing video games all the time.
29:51They're, they're doing whatever they want.
29:53They don't want kids or, or even on the lighter side, they're now, they have, and I'm just going
29:58to, I don't care what people think.
30:00They got their little fur babies and their cats and dogs and strollers and they're pushing
30:04them around like they're human beings.
30:05And they have stickers on the car that say, I'm a dog mom.
30:08And I was like, I ate a dog mom to put the two together.
30:12So you're a dog.
30:15Are you a dog?
30:16Is that what you, or is I'm confused here?
30:19Like, and, and then they get all ticked off at you and that's okay.
30:22But I'm like, your priorities are so screwed up.
30:26Okay.
30:26You're unwilling.
30:27And I've been seeing some strong Christian believers that I wouldn't bring kids into
30:32this world.
30:33And I was looking at them and I go, what are you talking about?
30:36That's, that's like one of the biggest things that we can do again, back to the arrows.
30:40If you're not going to raise up children in the way they should go from a biblical worldview
30:45and then send them out, how are you going to change anything?
30:49Your cats in the, in, in the, in the strollers, they're not going to change the world.
30:54Okay.
30:55Your little fur babies aren't doing jack for the world.
30:59You, you are denying the great commission.
31:01They may help with stress at home at times and full disclosure, I have cats, but I wanted
31:09kids.
31:10It just didn't happen.
31:11It's not like, well, you're saying those who are avoiding children, like the plagues for
31:18some reason.
31:19Yes.
31:19I mean, let's be honest, our, our birth, our, our birth rate replacement, replacement rate
31:24is under 2.1 in this country.
31:25Now we're getting as bad as Europe.
31:27Well, I like to say, you know, there are 8 billion people on the planet.
31:32Now I know I don't buy into the Georgia stones over population, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
31:39We have progressed as a society and as a species, we're able to grow more food and we, we have
31:46the food to feed people, but people are still starving.
31:50So there aren't like New York City or Tokyo and a micro basis might be overcrowded, but
31:58as a planet, it's not overpopulated.
32:01But at the same time, as a Christian, I don't adhere to the, the only purpose in life is to
32:08self-perpetuate the species.
32:10I don't buy that.
32:13We, if we want kids, if we're able to take care of kids, which at one time I was, but
32:21we just never had the kids, then that's great.
32:25That's wonderful to be part of a fulfilled life.
32:28But if you're not ready, if you yourself never really grew up, if you cannot afford the kids,
32:37don't bring a kid in the world because that's not the only meaning to life in my mind anyway.
32:45Yeah.
32:46It's, um, if you look in the Bible, how many women were suffering from barren, from being
32:51barren, right?
32:53It was, you know, almost considered a curse, right?
32:55They were looked down on everything else back then.
32:57What I'm saying today is, you know, and, and again, like to, to your point, I'm not ready.
33:03I'm not mature.
33:04I'm not, you're never ready.
33:07You're never ready to have children, okay?
33:08Well, I guess that's true, yeah.
33:10You're never ready.
33:10And until you are, okay, if you're going to wait till you're ready, you're never going
33:14to have children because you want your time and it's all about you.
33:19It's, it's total, it's, it's, it's total vanity, okay?
33:23Oh, and that's, you know?
33:24Self-reflection, full disclosure.
33:27Sure, uh, I, see, now I didn't get married till I was 36.
33:32My wife was 23 when we got married.
33:35So, at that time, indeed, it was then all about her and the nice toys and the nice vacations.
33:43And, you know, we'll get to kids eventually.
33:46But then I got sick and I couldn't work anymore.
33:50And then all that went out the window when she decided to move on.
33:56So, yeah.
33:57So, I'll give you my story.
33:58Okay.
33:58So, I was 34 when I got married.
34:00My wife was 25.
34:02Um, five years goes by.
34:04So, similar situation.
34:05Five years goes by.
34:06We're having trouble conceiving, you know?
34:08So, say, hey, let's go in the foster care program.
34:10Maybe we can help some kids.
34:11Maybe we can get an adoption.
34:13We can do that.
34:13So, we do that.
34:14We'll wait six months.
34:15You know, we're going through classes, doing all that.
34:17Yeah, little baby boy shows up one day old.
34:19Okay.
34:19Oh, great.
34:20Okay.
34:20Now, we'll do in vitro.
34:22We did that.
34:23We had a baby girl nine months later.
34:24And the day we brought her home, the phone rang.
34:26And it was the mother.
34:27It was the, the agency said the mother of our first baby boy had another, had a baby boy.
34:34I said, we'll take him.
34:35So, we got him.
34:36Then we did in vitro.
34:37And then we had twin boys.
34:39Right?
34:40Nine months later.
34:41All right.
34:41So, like, and then the phone rings again.
34:45Hey, the mother of the other two had a baby girl.
34:47We said, we'll take her.
34:49Now, we have six kids in three and a half years.
34:51Okay.
34:52Do you think I was ready for that, Joseph?
34:56I don't think anybody could be ready for that.
34:59To my point, right?
34:59Yes.
35:01Is that inexpensive or expensive to do with?
35:04Oh, that's certainly obviously expensive.
35:07Yes.
35:07Right.
35:07But now I just lost everything, Shirley.
35:09And so, at that time, my kids were four years and younger.
35:13I lost everything.
35:15Was I ready for that?
35:16I wasn't ready for that.
35:18Certainly not.
35:18Okay.
35:19Did I have one?
35:19What is that?
35:20How would I make it?
35:20How am I going to do it?
35:21Should I give the kids up for adoption?
35:23Should I just abandon them and go live on my own?
35:25Because I'm a failed parent.
35:27Certainly can't do that.
35:29Right.
35:29So, just walking through that process, turn around again.
35:32Like I said a few minutes ago, they've all graduated high school, homeschooled them.
35:38They're in the Marine Corps.
35:39They're out working.
35:40They've got great jobs.
35:41They're all doing their things.
35:42Right?
35:43And I was never ready.
35:45That's my point.
35:47You're never going to be ready.
35:49Okay.
35:50It doesn't matter what the situation is.
35:53If you're 16 and you got pregnant and you have a child, you're going to be fine.
35:58You're going to be fine.
35:59Okay.
36:00Work it because there's no greater incentive than to feed a helpless child who's yours and to bring them up
36:07and work for them and do it.
36:09Okay.
36:10So, I don't – that's just my – that's my encouragement, Joseph.
36:15Like people are like – they're so like everything's got to be perfect.
36:19What world do you live in?
36:21Okay.
36:22Yeah.
36:23I'd say over and over there's no such thing as perfect, especially on this fallen world.
36:28And yet, indeed, I kind of fell in that trap.
36:32Although it would have been different had I not got sick.
36:35I do think we would have had children.
36:39But, indeed, I was in that trap of waiting, you know, wanting my wife who grew up somewhat poor to
36:47have things and be able to do things before we had a kid.
36:52And then my health went bad and threw it all out the window.
36:56Yeah.
36:57So, think of this.
36:57Like, again, I wasn't until I was 34, right?
36:59Like, I met my wife and like three months later I proposed and we're married six months later.
37:03Our story is similar.
37:04But the thing about that was I'm building the business.
37:08I was focused on me.
37:10So, now I met my wife and she comes in and everything's great.
37:13Making a ton of money.
37:15So, here's just a business view, okay?
37:18When I got married and someone comes into your business life, meaning, you know, it's a part of my family
37:24now, and everything's great.
37:26Okay.
37:27That's easy.
37:28That's nice, right?
37:29But then jump ahead a few years.
37:32What happens in 09, right?
37:34So, nine years later, we have nothing.
37:36Now, my wife has to go from coming in when everything was good.
37:39She's never built a business, never seen a business built, right?
37:43Doesn't understand what that takes.
37:45So, buckle up, buddy.
37:47Okay?
37:48Because it was ugly.
37:49Okay?
37:50I mean, what we had to do and scrape by and do all this stuff and figure out our way
37:53and everything else was, that is, that is, that is separating the dross from the gold.
38:01Okay?
38:0226 years we've been married, still together, all our kids, everything else, because she got through that, or we got
38:08through it.
38:08But really, because, you know, she, it was hard.
38:14Just like, okay, I don't have the exact words for it, but it's, it was hard, but, but we can
38:19look back now and go, man, that was amazing.
38:21Well, you both had the commitment to work together, because that's the part I go over and over.
38:28Relationships, my whole Life and Living series of books, relationships are work.
38:34Just like jobs are work.
38:37You have to be willing to put in the time, the effort, the energy.
38:44You have to be willing to do the work.
38:47And so many marriages fall apart because one or the other or both don't want to do the work.
38:55Yeah, I told a young man who got married, I used to train him in cross country instead of using
38:59the homeschool team and stuff.
39:00And he's been married, like, in two years now.
39:03Yeah, he's like 21, whoever he is, too.
39:05And, and when he first got married, I was, I was, where he's working, I walked in, I said, oh,
39:09man, congratulations.
39:10Oh, thanks.
39:11I go, I go, can I give you some, some marriage advice?
39:15And he goes, I go, probably everyone is, right?
39:16He goes, yeah.
39:17Okay.
39:18I go, well, marriage is work.
39:22And he goes, yeah.
39:23And I go, I, and I, but I didn't finish.
39:25I went forever.
39:28It's worked forever.
39:29Yes.
39:30Okay.
39:30My man.
39:31So, like, understand, like, you're never done working on your marriage.
39:36Okay.
39:37So, he goes, you haven't heard that, have you?
39:40He goes, nope.
39:42Well, I agree.
39:44And I, you know what?
39:45I blame the concept of the soulmate being created.
39:50Again, there's no such thing as perfect.
39:53There's no such thing as a perfect match.
39:57There's no such thing.
40:00Well, there's one.
40:01If you agree with another human 100% of the time, you're not a thinker.
40:08You're a sheeple.
40:09You're malleable.
40:11You just go with the flow.
40:13You're not you.
40:15You're allowing yourself to be a copy of somebody else.
40:19There's going to be disagreements.
40:23If there isn't, something ain't right.
40:26Right.
40:27You do have a soulmate, and that's Jesus.
40:30Yeah.
40:31And that's it.
40:32Amen.
40:32Yes.
40:33And you have to, if you don't have that yet, that's something you need to work on.
40:37Okay.
40:37Oh, thank you for me.
40:38Put your soulmate focused on that.
40:40Okay.
40:41Because, and that goes for your spouse.
40:43They need to be doing the same thing.
40:45You both can, they, Jesus can be both your soulmates.
40:48You know, and if you can do that, you're going to see how much better you're going to be.
40:51And menage a trois in that situation is good.
40:55Yeah.
40:55Right.
40:55But you can, you'll see you're going to have a far healthier relationship.
40:59You know, because if you're living for your spouse, and you have to understand what I mean by this, if
41:06everything is for them, okay, and only them, and you want them to be that soulmate, every human being is
41:13going to disappoint you.
41:15Including her or him.
41:16And they're going to disappoint you.
41:18And not just once.
41:20They're going to disappoint you a lot.
41:22Okay.
41:22And this is where you, if you don't have that relationship with Christ, you don't even understand grace.
41:28You know what happens in a relationship when you don't have any grace?
41:31Yeah.
41:32It's pretty short.
41:33It's a pretty short relationship.
41:35Okay.
41:36So you have to learn that from our creator, be able to bring that into that marriage.
41:40And that's what, and you're still going to work.
41:42Okay.
41:42It's not all sunshine and rainbows.
41:45Right.
41:45I mean, I'm talking this, but you have to understand that position, you know, and again, whether you're in business,
41:51whether you have jobs, it doesn't matter.
41:52Like you got to be on the same team, you know, working for the same thing.
41:56That's, that's the big thing.
41:57As the joke goes, there's no I in team, but I add to that joke, or I add to that
42:04and make it a joke, but there is a hole in the A, if you get my meaning.
42:09If it's not the wrong thing.
42:11If it's not the I rather than the T, at work, it has to be about a collective.
42:18I'm very anti-communist.
42:20I'm against forced communalism.
42:23Sure.
42:23But when you join a job, you join a team that has to pull together.
42:31You have to want to voluntarily become part of that team, not forced to be part of that.
42:39Biblical community as opposed to worldly communism.
42:43Anyway.
42:44It's, you know, it's team Jesus.
42:48It's the body.
42:49It's the body of Christ.
42:50Your church, that church, them, all Christian, all true believers.
42:54We're a team.
42:55We're all working for the same end.
42:57Right?
42:58To witness, to do the Great Commission, and then, you know, and finish strong.
43:02Try to make things better on this fallen world.
43:04That's right.
43:04We've got to finish strong.
43:05We've got to finish well.
43:08A lot of guys, a lot of men especially, I talk a lot about this with guys and stuff too,
43:12in my men's ministry and everything.
43:13It's just, you're not finishing well.
43:16You started out kind of good.
43:18And you went kind of walkie, but now, now, you've got to finish strong.
43:20You're great gangbusters at the start, but.
43:23There are none so righteous as the newly converted, right?
43:27That's the thing.
43:28Yes.
43:29But you've got to finish well.
43:31You know, if you're all ending up in the, you know, in despair and you're broke and you're
43:37divorced and your kids don't talk to you and all that stuff.
43:39And you thought you were this amazing person who worked out a lot and you were fit and you
43:42made a lot of money, but your whole family life is absolute shambles.
43:47You're not finishing well.
43:49Yeah.
43:49Yeah.
43:50You know, so we, we have to, we have to focus on that and that's what the, the work is.
43:54Right.
43:54So another really catchy little saying, the only place success comes before work is the
44:00dictionary.
44:01Right.
44:01So you've got to remember that, right?
44:03We got, we got, we got to understand that everything is work.
44:06Okay.
44:06If you want to achieve anything, it's work.
44:09Okay.
44:09I mean, it's like the one thing I drive home and I don't care if it's work on a keyboard
44:13or if it's work on a shelf, it's all work.
44:16You know, you got to put in time, you got to work, you got to put the effort.
44:19If you're gifting is, you know, intellectual and you're able to communicate and do all
44:23great, do that.
44:24If you're just like me, I'm a guy who can swing a pick.
44:27Okay.
44:28I can, I can shovel, I can do that.
44:29I work a welder.
44:30I can, I can create great things and move giant boulders.
44:33Like, cool.
44:33That's my thing.
44:34I did it for 20 years.
44:35Right.
44:36So wherever my gifting was, I, I, I capitalized on that, created it, helped me, you know,
44:42build a living in the future and recognition, all that stuff.
44:44But then having to pivot and restart and do different things, same thing.
44:48So now I have all these different areas I can pour into others and it's work, you know,
44:52talking to people, helping people doing this kind of stuff, creating new things for my
44:55business, all this stuff is work and family, you know, now my kids are moving out, they're
45:00here and there and I can help them, you know, like, what does that look like?
45:03Well, get out and do it.
45:05I'm always here.
45:06You don't have to do a thing I say, but the advice as always is free, you know?
45:11So take it or leave it.
45:12One thing, what you're saying here reminds me of the Robert Palmer cover tune remake of
45:18it takes every kind of people.
45:21Now I'm not talking DEI woke idiocy.
45:24I'm talking about, yeah, we need plumbers, we need electricians, we need welders.
45:30We all can't be multimillionaire paid social media influencers.
45:37The world won't work that way.
45:41It can't exist.
45:43Well, time has flown by and we've covered a lot.
45:47So I'm glad we did.
45:51The usual last question.
45:54You have a website where people can find you, yes?
45:58Yes.
45:59They can go to grittolead.com.
46:04Grittolead.com.
46:05Real simple.
46:06And it's T-O, not the, not the number two.
46:11Nope.
46:12So that's, and of course that, I will add that in post in the bottom scrawl.
46:20So those viewing behind the scenes video will see it.
46:24And again, it's grittolead.com for the 25 plus audio platforms and the benefit of the transcript.
46:34Thank you, Richard Walsh, for your time today.
46:37It was a great discussion.
46:39Thank you, Joseph.
46:39I had a blast.
46:40Appreciate it.
46:41Yeah.
46:41Well, like all my guests, we could talk for three hours and then the episode would be way too long
46:48for anyone to pay attention to.
46:53So we, we have to have a reasonable conclusion.
46:58I usually shoot for 30 minutes.
47:01Sometimes they're a little under.
47:03Sometimes my longest show is like an hour and 15.
47:06I don't know how some of these people do three hours every day, like Monday through Friday.
47:13But, you know, that's them.
47:15That's their show.
47:15So they also don't have the health constraints I do.
47:19So need to keep, I try to do it.
47:22So, hey, you can listen over lunch type, right?
47:26That's just my niche.
47:28I try to fill.
47:29Anyway, we hit the good points that needed to be hit.
47:32So we're good.
47:33I think so.
47:34All right.
47:35Thanks again, Richard Walsh.
47:37Not related as far as we know to John Walsh to go back to the top joke.
47:43Take care.
47:44God bless, brother.
47:45God bless, brother.
47:46I'm in the rain in the rain.
47:47I'm in the rain.
48:01Both figurative and literal.
48:04Forging a better world a Christian way.
48:07Leads us to a better day.
48:10Got a Bible on the table.
48:13Steel sparks on the floor, hammer ringing in the distance
48:19While your words cut to my core
48:22You're sanding down my pride, filing all my fear
48:28In the fire of your kindness, what was dull is turning clear
48:36Iron sharpens iron, love so sharpened me
48:42Rub my rough edges to your reflections, all I see
48:48If we carry one another, you will light the narrow way
48:54Iron sharpens iron, and you're forging a better day
49:02Every honest conversation, every wound we choose to show
49:08Is a grindstone for our spirits, making mercy start to glow
49:14When I call my brother higher, he pulls me higher too
49:20Under pressure, under promise, we're becoming more like you
49:29Iron sharpens iron, love so sharpened me
49:35Rub my rough edges to your reflections, all I see
49:41If we carry one another, you will light the narrow way
49:46Iron sharpens iron, and you're forging a better day
49:54Strike by strike, word by word
50:00You're remaking hearts of stone
50:07Grace by grace, hurt by healed hurt
50:13We don't have to stand alone
50:21Iron sharpens iron, love so sharpened me
50:27Rub my rough edges to your reflections, all I see
50:33If we carry one another, you will light the narrow way
50:39Iron sharpens iron, and you're forging a better day
50:48You're forging a better day
51:18Iron sharpens iron, and you're forging a better day
51:23Only thing necessary
51:27For evil prevail, what they say
51:31Good people's do nothing, doing nothing
51:35That stayed with most today
51:42The world keeps turning
51:45A dark, strange place
51:49Good folks are yearning
51:53For a saving grace
51:57The ship has sailed, they say
52:00On a troubled tide
52:04But what do you do today
52:07With nowhere to hide
52:13Questions I've been asking in all my writings
52:16To watch your move
52:20Just what about is it
52:23You're willing to try to do
52:28Evil prevails
52:31When good just sleeps
52:35Light sometimes fails
52:38While the darkness creeps
52:42What are you doing now?
52:44Tell me, tell me
52:46How will you take a bow
52:50For all to see
52:57The news it screams a broken sound
53:01Lost in bad dreams on hallowed ground
53:05They say it's all lost cause a losing fight
53:08But what about your applause for what is right
53:12Only thing it takes for shadow to prevail
53:15Is a crowd of quiet hearts
53:17Scroll inside
53:19Then turn away
53:21Say
53:22This world is torn apart
53:27Shit's gone out past the rusted pier
53:31We just watch it fade
53:33On this falling ground
53:37On this falling ground
53:37We're standing
53:38Still afraid
53:40Still afraid
53:40To wait
53:41So what are you doing
53:44What are you doing
53:47Now
53:50To help the light
53:52To help the light
53:53Help the light
53:53Help the light
53:54Help the light
53:55Break through the doubt
53:57Are you just waiting
53:59For someone else to move
54:04Oh
54:05Will you stand
54:06Will you stand
54:07Will you stand
54:08And be the proof
54:11Tell me
54:12What are you doing
54:28Good folks in a quiet room
54:31Hands clean
54:32Eyes closed
54:33Say someday I'll make a change
54:35Someday never shows
54:36Every hurt you walk right past
54:38Cuts a deeper line
54:40Every that's not up to me
54:42Helps the dark
54:43Helps the dark
54:43Align
54:44So what are you doing
54:47What are you doing
54:49Now
54:51To help the light
54:53Help the light
54:55Help the light
54:56Break through the doubt
54:58Are you just waiting
55:01For someone else to move
55:05Oh will you stand
55:08Will you stand
55:09Will you stand
55:10And be the proof
55:13Tell me
55:14What are you doing
55:16What are you doing
55:22What are you doing
55:30It's a hard
55:31Hard question
55:32Looking back at you
55:34Yeah
55:34In the mirror
55:35In the silence
55:36You already know
55:37What's true
55:38If you're breathing
55:39You're required to answer
55:41With your life
55:41Every minute that you're giving
55:44Takes a sigh
55:54Sunday thoughts
55:56Coffee steaming
55:58Quiet streams
56:00Headlines heavy
56:02People breaking
56:04When no one sees
56:06So I lift their names up
56:10Every burden I can't fix
56:13Every burden I can't fix
56:14Let it rise like incense
56:16Every hurt into your hands
56:19Every hurt into your hands
56:20I'm sending thoughts and prayers to heaven
56:23Over every broken heart
56:26Every family, every soldier, every shadow, any scar
56:32When this world crowns
56:35When this world crowns its pretenders
56:36When this world crowns its pretenders
56:37I remember what they preached
56:39I remember what they preached
56:40Our fathers wrote it down forever
56:42No kings
56:44But King Jesus over me
56:47Jesus is king
56:50Jesus is king
56:53Jesus is king
56:56Jesus is king
57:23Jesus is king
57:25He feels right
57:27Every dead man
57:35He dies
57:35And I remember how
57:35The only son of a man
57:39I'm not only
57:40I remember what they preached, our fathers wrote it down forever
57:46No king, no king, King Jesus over me
57:51Jesus is king, Jesus is king, Jesus is king
57:59Oh, you reign, oh, you reign
58:03Our USA foundations, our Judeo-Christian beliefs
58:09And our republics agree
58:11No king, but King Jesus over me
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