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CTP (S3EJanSpecial1) Kids, Screens, And The Cost Of Isolation
Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond
We trace how kids’ mental health and learning have shifted since lockdowns and why face-to-face school still outperforms screens, even as some students benefit from remote tools. Practical steps for parents, tutors, and communities help rebuild social skills, language, and daily habits.
• why suicide risk eased but long-tail effects remain
• how COVID remnants shape schools, health rules, and routines
• when remote learning helps and when it harms
• speech and language delays from limited facial cues
• tech as a tool versus a babysitter
• widening gaps between well-resourced and struggling schools
• faith, duty, and caring for the vulnerable with balance
• parent involvement in health, habits, and motivation
• tutoring as targeted support and accountability
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00:00Hello, welcome to another episode of Firstitutionalist Podcast.
00:06I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard.
00:10That's L-E-N-A-R-D at the French.
00:13It's not, it's Leonard without an O.
00:17Thank you for tuning in, as Graham Norton used to say, on his show.
00:24Let's get on with the show!
00:27Hello, everybody.
00:28I just wanted to let you know this brief intro.
00:33I'm going to double up two a week for the rest of January.
00:39I get caught up on a few interviews I've recorded lately.
00:44They're kind of piling up.
00:46They're going a little too far in the future.
00:48I don't want to keep people waiting that long.
00:51So for the rest of January, I'll do two during the week rather than one midweek drop on Wednesday.
00:57So Tuesday and Thursday, the rest of January.
01:00Anyway, let's get some guests on, as Graham Norton currently says.
01:06And I'm borrowing.
01:07Hello, everyone.
01:09Welcome to another episode of Christa Tushaw's Podcast.
01:13Joining me today is Gabrielle Critchlow.
01:17And, of course, if you're viewing behind the scenes, you can see her name already in the lower left corner there.
01:25But I'll put it in bigger, bolder letters in post-production in the scrawl on the bottom of the screen.
01:33Welcome to the show, Gabrielle.
01:35How are you?
01:37I'm well.
01:38How are you?
01:38Like I always say, could be better, could be worse.
01:43Right?
01:45Of course.
01:46Take it one day at a time, as I also like to say.
01:50Yes.
01:51Yeah.
01:51All right.
01:52Worry about today, today, tomorrow.
01:55Worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.
01:57Yes.
01:57You're here.
02:02We're going to talk mental health and mainly regarding kids because we met the pod match, a service.
02:11And part of the back and forth that we had was I had said how concerned whether during the lockdowns, the Wuhan hysteria and the lockdowns, suicide rates among so many groups shot way up.
02:30But mainly among our kids because they, some that felt isolated then were obviously even more isolated by the hysteria and the lockdowns.
02:45Have, have those rates come down at all?
02:48Have we, have our kids recovered from the damage we did to them yet?
02:54So, I just, let me just say, as a disclaimer, this is purely my opinion.
03:06Well, then, before you answer that, I didn't ask the usual.
03:10I need to ask the typical first.
03:12Yeah.
03:13Where, where, where were you born and raised and where are you now?
03:18And we need that nitty gritty first.
03:20Okay, well, I was born in, in Trinidad and Sebago.
03:27Um, and I came to America when I was three years old.
03:33Uh, so now I am in the state of New York and I have been here ever since.
03:39God, uh, at least you're not in the state of Missouri.
03:44Like I like to joke, the state of misery.
03:47And my audience knows I can't pass on the stupid pun.
03:53So, now back to the serious topic.
03:56Indeed.
03:57Have our kids recovered?
03:59I would say slightly.
04:02Um, so in regards to the suicide rates, I think, in my opinion, it has come down a lot,
04:11especially now that things are slowly returning to normal, uh, with, you know, kids going back
04:19to school in person, with kids being able to congregate with other kids again, um, which
04:29started happening around 2023, I want to say.
04:33Um, so the suicide rates have come down as we've started accumulating ourselves around
04:41each other again.
04:43Um, but in terms of have we fully recovered?
04:48100%?
04:49Not really.
04:50I don't think we've fully recovered as a society, um, let alone our children.
04:57Um, like, even with schools, um, there, every year there's an outbreak.
05:04So, you know, with flu season around, I want to say September, October, November, now COVID
05:12is part of the flu season.
05:15Um, so, you know, I would even go as far as December.
05:21So, from September to December, um, I would say it's cold season, flu season, now it's
05:28COVID season, right?
05:30So, now we have that to, to deal with.
05:34And, you know, we still have their, they're still making us get booster shots every year.
05:40So, the COVID prevention is still a part of our society now.
05:45It hasn't exactly gone away.
05:46Like, even, like, going to the doctors, for example, they may still make you wear a mask.
05:53Um, and then you still have, like, people that choose to, to wear a mask in their everyday
06:01life, not necessarily someone in the professional field.
06:05So, because we still have those remnants of COVID, it does trickle down to the kids.
06:11Um, and even, you know, like I said, even with schools, you know, there is, remote, remote
06:19learning still exists, right?
06:21Um, so, in case, and there's still, like, if one kid gets COVID, like, the school will
06:27shut down, right?
06:29So, um, they'll, they'll tell the child to, you know, stay home, and then they alert all
06:35the parents.
06:36So, either the school shuts down, or they'll just put everybody on alert, hey, a kid was
06:43tested positive for COVID, so just FYI, right?
06:46So, I think because we still have those remnants of COVID, um, and I don't think it's going to
06:54go away anytime soon, I, the, the kids still feel it, right?
07:00They still feel, um, you know, now classes are on computers now, and there's this move
07:11to digitize everything.
07:13So, um, because of all the, the changes in the educational system, there's more of a,
07:22a push to digitizing everything, and there's more of a push for things being on computers
07:27and teaching on computers.
07:29So, because of the changing landscape in education, and even in our society with, again, with the
07:37doctors' offices, still having to wear a mask, still having to get COVID boosters, um, and
07:44then, of course, you still have the paranoid, anxious people, like, I don't want my kids
07:48around a crowd of people.
07:51We still have those remnants, and, and the children do that, and they feel that, yeah.
07:55Yeah, even though now all these years later, we know the Wuhan hysteria is mainly, and always
08:05has been, a threat to those who have comorbidities.
08:10I know a few people that died through complications, like one was a nurse, and she had asthma, so she
08:20had a comorbidity, and indeed, catching COVID caused the issue with the asthma, they combined,
08:30and she literally drowned in her own, you know, drowned in her own bed due to pneumonia.
08:37It wasn't the COVID that killed her, it was the complications with her asthma that brought
08:44that up.
08:45Yeah, so it doesn't affect the kids as much, but, and even all these years, hundreds of years
08:56of mask science, the COVID particulate is smaller than even an N95 mask protects against, so wearing
09:12these cloth masks are a placebo, but if it helps make some feel better, then, okay, knock yourself
09:22out.
09:23But, yeah, I want to go back to schools and, and society in general.
09:32FaceTime, the computer version, cannot and will not ever replace actual teacher-to-student actual
09:45face-to-face time and socializing of our kids actually being in the same place, being face-to-face
09:53face-to-face, than face-to-face time on the computer.
09:58It's a totally different socialization, and many of them lost several years of that development.
10:08Yes, I, I'm sorry, my phone is ringing in the background, but, um, but, um, so I, I apologize
10:16for that, yes, it doesn't replace, in person, it really, it doesn't, I mean, there are pros and cons,
10:25I will say that I wouldn't completely knock, knock down FaceTime, and, you know, but, and, but.
10:33It's better than no contact.
10:36Right, right, and then there are some students who have special needs, for example, like,
10:41those with, um, with autism, with those with physical disabilities, or, you know, those
10:48who are, um, who may be blind, or, or mute, or, or deaf, like, they need, they need more.
10:56Yeah, like, everything, it's not a one-size-fits-all, right?
11:01It's not, like, some people need more hands-on, more physical contact in terms of learning, um,
11:08but there are some kids that may do better on the computer, right, um, so maybe those who
11:15may be anxious, or what, maybe, who have been diagnosed with generalized anxiety, I'll say that,
11:23or, you know, there are some kids with autism that might actually do better
11:26on a computer, right, with someone teaching on a computer, so there are benefits as well as
11:34detriments, but I think over, overall, it, it doesn't, um, it doesn't replace face-to-face
11:42contact.
11:42Yeah, for every rule, there are exceptions, but for thousands, or if you want to go and
11:51say millions of years, humanity as creatures has been an interactive species, that's the rule,
12:00but yes, there are some exceptions.
12:04Absolutely, absolutely, and, and I do think that because kids are, we've been moving into
12:12a digital age for a while now, definitely beyond, before COVID, um, I think since the internet
12:22was born, I think, uh, we have definitely been moving into a digital age, particularly with
12:29children, particularly with schools, um, like, there's more, we're introducing tablets into the
12:36schools, um, which blew up more during COVID, but it showed up before, and then there's all,
12:46um, like, the assisting technologies, um, like, you know, talk to texts, uh, dictation, you know,
12:56recording classes, trans, transcriptions, right, so all of these things happened before COVID,
13:03um, Zoom happened before COVID, it just blew up because of COVID, right, so these things.
13:09And I'm a former IT guy, so I'm, obviously, I've seen the stuff coming from, from, uh, up close
13:18and personal from the inside, but everything is great as a tool in its proper place, but not
13:27as a crutch as a babysitter, right? Oh, here, here, you know, let, give, give that as an excuse
13:37to then not have to interact, uh, so, yeah, it can be a great useful tool if we don't use
13:47it as an excuse, uh, for other things we can and could and should be doing, uh, you, I, am
13:57I making sense in that?
13:59Like, definitely when it comes to babysitting, and I have to admit, I'm, I'm guilty of that,
14:05um, you know, when it comes to babysitting my niece and nephew, it's like, here, just watch
14:11the TV or just, just go play on the tablet, right?
14:15Um, but then by doing that, it's, it's already addictive, already, right?
14:22So, it's just throwing them into the, into the addiction, but.
14:26Yeah, what they're doing on it matters.
14:29Yeah, if they're doing something constructive or if they're indeed mindless video games that
14:36addict them and keep them distracted from reality, the, like you said, upsides and downsides to
14:45everything and we, as parental units, have to make sure we are aware of what they're doing
14:53digitally.
14:55Right, and we don't, and a lot of times we don't really know what they're watching, right?
14:59Um, and then just, and then because we're kind of throwing them into these electronics, we
15:06are, we're breaking the, the communication and there's a disconnect now between trying
15:14to relate to one another, right?
15:16And kids, they're not really picking up social cues or, or looking at facial expressions,
15:23right?
15:23And so, there's that, there's that disconnect there.
15:27Um, and I remember someone telling me because of, because of all the mask wearing, a lot
15:33of kids now have difficulties with speech because they're not reading lips.
15:41Um, so there's a lot more of that happening.
15:44And so, there's a lot of speech difficulties because of.
15:47Right, because we all have.
15:48All the mask wearing, yeah.
15:50Yeah, we have varying accents and whatnot, including regional.
15:55At times, you need them, uh, facial, and as you said, lip cues, uh, you may not hear the
16:05word clearly, but if you're having that real IRL in real life face to face, you can kind of
16:13see the mouthing and grasp the con, uh, context of the word and know what it is.
16:20Uh, rather than if you were on the phone and only hearing the word.
16:25And it's like, what, what was that?
16:27I, I didn't quite get you.
16:30You're, the way that we form our lips around certain words, you're mimicking that with your
16:35own lips, right?
16:36So, if you're not really seeing it because of all the mask wearing and you're young, right?
16:40You're going to end up mispronouncing words, right?
16:42Or hearing words that, uh, may not make sense to you, like, wait, what?
16:48So, I think, and a lot of those speech difficulties have been coming up, right, as of late, uh,
16:56because of that.
16:57So, there has, and that's very big in terms of kids and trying to, uh, develop their vocabulary
17:05and, and understanding what it means in context and, and things like that.
17:09So, there, there's going to be long-term effects, uh, because of COVID and it's going to be a
17:16while, uh, before, I mean, we're, we're on our way, but it's going to be a while before
17:22we completely bounce back.
17:23Yeah, our education system has been on the decline and pathetic for so long now.
17:29Our kids were already generation to generation getting worse regarding language to begin with.
17:37And now, as you're saying, without, without that visual cue, there's even greater language
17:44barrier.
17:46Absolutely.
17:47Absolutely.
17:48Um, and, and, and I think with, with COVID, it, it already exposed the, the school system
17:57already with all of its flaws.
18:00Um, it just exacerbated it.
18:03Um, you know, especially with the, with the, the, the wealthy poverty distinction.
18:10Um, it definitely made that worse, right?
18:15Um, cause of course, you know, COVID it, in terms of what schools did, schools in wealthier
18:21neighborhoods, they were able to get more access to resources, but then you have the schools
18:26in foreign neighborhoods that, you know, had to struggle.
18:30So, of course, there's that wealthy poverty gap.
18:35As always has been.
18:37Yeah.
18:37Yeah.
18:37As Jesus said, the poor will always be among you.
18:41That wasn't an economic or governance statement.
18:44It was, there are some who always choose to do the least possible in everything and therefore
18:52don't quite get as head as they may otherwise be able to if they exerted themselves.
19:01But now, uh, throwing everything out the window, a complete non-sequitur, right?
19:10For those viewing on video, I can only see the top of your shirt.
19:15So I'm curious, what does your shirt say?
19:20No, um, it's, um, so there's a, um, actually no.
19:26So, so I went to a family reunion last year in Trinidad and, um, it's, it's like a big
19:35event that we had and we made t-shirts.
19:38Ah.
19:39So it says, remember where you came from?
19:41And there's a big tree and then it says, um, well, everything's backward on video, sorry.
19:48But it's, uh.
19:49No, I can see, I can see it in front of the way.
19:51Yeah.
19:51Okay, Critchlow Millington Family Reunion 2024, family is everything.
19:58Wonderful.
19:59Uh, I'm glad I asked.
20:04Uh, but I forgot where I did want to go next.
20:09Uh.
20:10With the schools and.
20:12Yeah, I mean, uh, um, we could talk for 30 years.
20:16On that alone and the medical issues alone and, and whatnot here, but, uh, I, do you have
20:30a website for people to go to?
20:35Yes.
20:35So I tutor.
20:39Um, so if you, you know, for those watching or listening, if you are looking for tutoring services,
20:46for your child between, um, third grade and 12th grades and, and even early college, depending
20:55on where you are in college, my website is www.astepaheadtutoringservices.com.
21:03So we provide astepaheadtutoringservices.com.
21:07Uh, that's kind of long.
21:10I gotta be honest with you.
21:13That's a little long.
21:16Uh, but.
21:19A step, just, you're moving a step ahead, right?
21:22So a step ahead and then tutoring and then, yeah, it is, it's long.
21:28Uh, I will get it to, it will fit on the screen.
21:34It'll just have to be a smaller font than someone who is a shorter website, but we'll, we'll get
21:43it on there.
21:44Uh, I remembered where I was going to go.
21:49What I forgot.
21:50Now I've forgotten.
21:51Oh, the, the, the, uh, haves, have nots divide has always been there and it's sorry.
22:00It's unfortunate part of human nature and the way the planet is.
22:06There's always right.
22:07Those with means will always have access to more.
22:12And yeah, it, it just, if, if you're on the upper side of it, it's great, obviously.
22:19But if you're not, then, you know, but it's a part of reality.
22:26We either have to accept and do our best to work within, or we're just going to be miserable
22:34our whole lives.
22:36And, you know, claiming victimhood and blaming others doesn't really help ourselves when we're
22:44doing that.
22:45You know, I'm not saying any particular person or whatever is, but there is, that is part
22:52of human nature and accepting our lot in life and doing whatever we can to improve it.
23:00I don't know where I'm going with this, but I'm just reacting off of what you said, your
23:06thoughts, your additional thoughts.
23:08I do understand that.
23:11However, there tends to be a favoritism to the ones that have, right?
23:17So yes, it is a part of, it is something that we, we have to accept as part of our society.
23:26There's going to be those who have and those who have not because there are more people than
23:31there are resources.
23:32However, I think there needs to be more of a favoritism towards the ones who have not,
23:38right?
23:39Because the ones that have, there is a privilege, right?
23:45And it's a, it's a privilege to be able to have access to more resources.
23:50And so if, if we had more government funding and they funded more public schools, right?
23:58Then that would address a lot of the issues that schools are having today.
24:02And then also with teachers leaving in droves.
24:05Well, I'm going to push back because every year funding goes up and our schools get worse
24:12and our kids get dumber.
24:13The issue is not funding, it's a will to actually educate rather than indoctrinate is my take
24:23on it.
24:24And of course, with the United States, I mean, there's a reason why you want to be here and
24:31not somewhere else.
24:32Never before in the course of human history have people had an opportunity to lift themselves
24:39up through the wonders of our particular governance and economy.
24:48So again, Jesus said, the poor will always be among you.
24:52There will always be some who choose to do little, but I get it.
24:58Indeed, there are those who are held back.
25:03I don't deny that as part of our reality, though, either.
25:07And I understand that, but how you treat the poor is, it shows a reflection of who you
25:18are.
25:19Absolutely.
25:21This is a Christian show.
25:23Jesus said, you are to be your brother's keeper and to take care of widows and orphans through
25:31biblical community, God-given free will.
25:36Well, I am to want to do that.
25:39The Bible also makes the distinction between those who are unable to help themselves versus
25:46those who are unwilling to help themselves.
25:49Hence, the poor will always be among you versus stealing from somebody to give to another and
25:57pretend you've done something when you've not given your blood and treasure in the process
26:03under biblical community and free will.
26:07That is true.
26:08And even looking at, I don't know, there's a parable in the Bible that there was a young
26:14king that came to Jesus and said, what do I need to do to get to heaven?
26:21And Jesus said, get rid of, well, he listed a bunch of things, but then the last thing he
26:26said was, get rid of all of your riches and what did the king do?
26:30He sulked and walked away, right?
26:33So, I mean, it's a parable, but basically, the Bible has mentioned, yeah, you know, like
26:44the Bible has mentioned several times about, you know, you're not going to take your wealth
26:49with you when you die, right?
26:51So, there's a, you know, and what, what, how, what is the profit of man if he gains the
26:59world and loses his own soul?
27:01Amen.
27:01I've quoted that, that, indeed true, there's so many things that you can, if you need to
27:12take them all in the full context, as opposed to some who just pick and choose one thing
27:19or another.
27:20And indeed, but also, it doesn't say God helps those who help themselves.
27:29It doesn't say that, but much implies such that you can't help others if you don't help
27:40yourself also first, right?
27:42I can't help feed the poor if I'm not able to take care of myself and have enough to then
27:50help feed the poor with.
27:53You have to help yourself before you help other people.
27:57You can't feed the poor.
27:59Right?
28:00Like on the plane, what do they tell you?
28:02In the case of the loss of cabin pressure, put on your own mask first, because you're
28:09no help to anybody else if you're flopping on the floor without oxygen.
28:16Absolutely.
28:17You, you can't, I mean, you can't pour everything out to help other people and not really pour
28:26back into yourself.
28:27And you have to have to pour first before, you know, in order to give to somebody else.
28:34So, you know, there is a balance in taking care of other people and taking care of yourself.
28:40Yes.
28:40Absolutely.
28:41Absolutely.
28:43Positively.
28:43Well, we've kind of strayed from our original initial subject.
28:48So wrapping things back up, what concerns do you have regarding the health in general of
28:59people, especially our kids going forward, if any?
29:05I think understanding that, you know, children are like, I don't want to say they're naturally
29:16unhealthy, but they naturally don't want to do things that are healthy, right?
29:23So just understanding that about kids, like, oh, they would, they would want to eat candy
29:27instead of vegetables, right?
29:29So understanding that.
29:32Why we got to be the parent.
29:34Yeah.
29:35Yeah.
29:36But my, my concern is we're not really as parents, as adults, we're not really involved in their
29:44health and we're not really on top of them about their health.
29:50As we should be.
29:51As we should.
29:52Yes.
29:53Yes.
29:53We are in agreement there.
29:55Absolutely.
29:56So I would want to see more proactivity when it comes to health and being more involved
30:02in it and, and not just punishing.
30:05That's another thing too.
30:07I find that.
30:08Oh, that can be a lot of parents get frustrated and, you know, you don't, you don't brush your
30:13teeth.
30:13You're, you know, your, your mouth is going to burn or whatever.
30:16Like, just maybe explain it.
30:18Like, you don't brush your teeth and things will grow and your breath will smell.
30:22And, you know, people will smell.
30:25I don't know.
30:25Like your people are going to smell that nasty breath and, you know, they're going to
30:30treat you a certain way.
30:31Like there's, there's a way to do it.
30:33But I think if we.
30:34And for every rule, there's an exception again, right?
30:38Every child isn't going to respond to the same motivation.
30:44Right.
30:44Some kids need more strict.
30:47They need stricter motivation than others.
30:50But I think the more involved we are in our children's health, the better it is for them.
30:56I absolutely agree with that.
31:01And so I've done too many interviews today.
31:09My mind has turned to mush.
31:13You're just happening to be the last one of the day.
31:16And my, my brain, I think, is kind of checked out already.
31:20My apologies.
31:21I'm not giving you the best me that you deserve here.
31:28Understandable.
31:29Understandable.
31:30But thank you.
31:34Let me make sure I read it so I get it right.
31:37Gabrielle Critchlow for coming on.
31:40And people check out a stepaheadtutoringservices.com for more information.
31:48I try to keep the show shorter.
31:51I call it today's Twitter attention span.
31:54Being a former IT guy, I've seen the deterioration in attention spans.
32:00Because of social media.
32:01Oh, just give it to me.
32:03If you can't give it to me in 200 characters, I don't need to know it.
32:07Well, yes, you do.
32:09And details matter.
32:11But, you know, if I do long shows, nobody will watch them.
32:15But then nobody wins.
32:19Thank you, Gabrielle.
32:21Take care.
32:21God bless.
32:24Thank you for having me.
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