00:00Colonel Rohit Dev, what I am curious here is one of course the role of Pakistan.
00:04But then I also see how Israel is still on, pounding Lebanon for example,
00:10saying it's not part of the ceasefire deal.
00:12So what do you think is happening?
00:14There's so much mixed messaging that everyone's confused about ceasefire announced,
00:18but 60 hours later, bombardment is still on.
00:22So let me touch upon two very, very critical issues first,
00:25and then I'll come to the semantics of it.
00:27But while I agree with all the panelists, I totally disagree with Ambassador Sajanar
00:32when he says that Munir will be doing the catering service.
00:36No, that's not his job.
00:37That job is exclusive for Sabah Sharif in Pakistan because it's a military state.
00:42So I think we should be very, very clear that who calls the shot in Pakistan.
00:45So you think Field Marshal may have a more important role than the Pakistan Prime Minister?
00:49What role that would be?
00:51Yes, he will be the peon messenger who will carry the sealed envelopes,
00:55make sure there are no fingerprints of J.D. Vance on it,
00:58so that J.D. Vance can deny tomorrow that he didn't say it.
01:00And that initial part he will bridge before even Iranians and J.D. Vance
01:05come on any table thereafter.
01:07Sir, are we downplaying, let's be honest here,
01:10are we downplaying the role of Pakistan officials?
01:12Of course, we know Pakistan's real history, but the fact is they've also managed the negotiating table, sir.
01:18No, no, no, no.
01:19You're not even aware how that has come about.
01:21So let me tell you the third part.
01:23The second part is the Serena hotel.
01:26So Hunan should be telling the U.S. diplomats that Serena Williams has got nothing to do with this hotel.
01:31Before Trump goes on social and starts talking about Serena Williams' role,
01:35that can be a little absurd as well.
01:37Now, coming to Pakistan, the U.S. geopolitics and the gravitas of this country
01:42has today been reduced to the breadcrumbs of geopolitics.
01:46And that breadcrumb is Pakistan, which they are hinging to play,
01:51where a critical component of this entire war, Israel, is not at the table.
01:56Israel has very categorically announced Pakistan as the next target for terrorism to be dealt with.
02:02And I'm not sure any U.S. administration or the CIA in the future will not align with the Israeli
02:09thought.
02:09So it's a makeshift proposal.
02:11Primely on what you said, that entire GCC has been bombarded.
02:16Oman is playing a safe role because that's the only country
02:19which is within the 12 nautical miles of the territorial zone in terms of UN clause.
02:27And the second is Iran.
02:28So while Oman has ratified that UN clause, Iran has not.
02:31So Trump is absolutely not accurate by claiming that he is free to navigate through those waters
02:38because territorial zone has got a different connotation unless it is ratified.
02:42Now, coming down to roles, who was the best candidate to actually mediate?
02:48Now, think about it, a country which is OK with Iran,
02:51country which has got a geostrategic relationship and a strategic partner with Israel and U.S. both.
02:56That is one country, right?
02:57That country's flag I am wearing and you are proud of it as well.
03:00The chances are that India geopolitically did not take that bait and refused to be a mediator
03:07because India has got long-term engagements to be done with the entire stratosphere of this globe.
03:14And we have played it very well.
03:16And that is the reason, I think, that Rubio is now too keen.
03:20That is the reason why Mr. Mishri is in the United States just before these talks which were announced.
03:25So you played the geopolitical part.
03:27So there has to be the major players, the market drivers, the people who have got skin in the game.
03:32What skin in the game Pakistan has got?
03:34Unni said that, you know, 500 rupees is the crude.
03:37So America isn't even supplying crude at a lower rate to Pakistan.
03:40So do everything else.
03:41It's just a staging board.
03:42Yes, for the semantics of it, there will be photographs, there will be a press release.
03:47But believe you me, the natural drivers of these talks who are amicable globally, A, India.
03:53B, if it is the case that the U.S. wants to do something on the China plus one and
03:58play it more strategically,
03:59they are doing it very, very, very quietly.
04:01Okay.
04:02And that might be the play which will then run in China at some point of time.
04:05And I don't know if I'm reading too much into it, but Foreign Affairs Minister Dr. Ajay Shankar heading to
04:10the United Arab Emirates on two-day visit as well.
04:14So precisely a lot of…
04:15Mr. Ardipur is in Qatar already.
04:17Correct.
04:18So a lot is happening in back-channel talks.
04:20He's the oil minister later.
04:21Yes.
04:21He's the diplomat by nature.
04:23Yes.
04:23So you can see what we are doing.
04:25So we don't have to talk about it.
04:26We don't have to compete.
04:27And I dare say, I've been saying for the last 30 years and only will agree, every military appreciation at
04:33the command level which I have seen is geopolitical scan with a Pakistan mention on the side.
04:37Remove Pakistan.
04:38It is inconsequential.
04:40And we have wasted in 30 minutes, about 20 minutes talking only about Pakistan.
04:44The game is what India is trying to create with U.S., Israel and Iran.
04:48And that game is in the shadows to ensure what we want to achieve.
04:52And I think that is the mood point to even go forward.
04:54We also have our own identity, our sanctity and security to maintain.
04:58And that's one of the reasons that our relationship with all of these nations stays intact.
05:03Please stay on with me because for the viewer, I want you to understand why this is one ceasefire, but
05:08such different versions.
05:09That is why you see the mixed messaging and bombardment still happening.
05:13America insisting that Lebanon is not part of the ceasefire deal, calling Israel-Lebanon conflict a separate skirmish altogether.
05:22Iran has a very different view.
05:23Iran said, but Lebanon was mentioned in the ceasefire deal.
05:27They are even threatening to exit this temporary truce if Lebanon is targeted.
05:32So it's not Lebanon as much as the support of Hezbollah, the proxy group that Iran supports.
05:36And therefore, they are demanding region-wide secession of hostilities.
05:39And they want to be seen in support of Lebanon.
05:42Otherwise, of course, Hezbollah would believe that they have been able, that they have been left isolated.
05:47Pakistan comes in here, playing a mediator factor, maintaining that Lebanon is included in the ceasefire deal, urging the respect
05:55of ceasefire across the region.
05:57The USA said there's a legitimate misunderstanding that has happened over it.
06:02Israel adding that they will fire missiles toward Lebanon because they are targeting the Hezbollah sites.
06:07Saying ceasefire does not apply to the Hezbollah front, which is primarily the border region in Israel.
06:13And they are going after Hezbollah because Hezbollah has been firing missiles toward Israeli territory.
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