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Union Home Minister Amit Shah has criticised Congress over its decision to sing only the first two stanzas of Vande Mataram at party events, accusing it of appeasement and disrespecting those who fought for India's independence. Shah linked Congress' 1937 resolution on the song to the circumstances that eventually led to Partition. The Centre has mandated the complete six-stanza version at official functions, describing the move as a step towards national integration. Congress has defended its position by citing historical decisions involving leaders such as Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru. The party has also accused the BJP of politicising the issue to divert attention from other controversies.
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00:00Good evening, you're watching NewsTrack with me, Maria Shaquille.
00:03One song, two stanzas and no change of stance from 1937 to 2026.
00:10Yes, the Congress Party has decided that only the first two stanzas of Vande Mataram
00:16would be sung at national gatherings of the party.
00:19The party says these stanzas acquired national significance
00:23and contained nothing objectionable, while the later portions carry religious imagery
00:28that could make some communities uncomfortable.
00:31The BJP sees this as appeasement politics.
00:34Home Minister Amit Shah has called the Congress decision anti-national.
00:38He has also linked the 1937 decision to the political developments that eventually led to partition.
00:45But there is another important point to this debate, that is the law.
00:50The Parliament, remember, has amended the Prevention of Insults to National Honour Act 1971,
00:55giving Vande Mataram statutory protection, similar to that enjoyed by the national anthem.
01:03The law makes intentionally obstructing its singing or disrupting an assembly engaged in singing a punishable offence.
01:11But the law does not make it compulsory for every citizen to sing Vande Mataram.
01:17And that's an important distinction.
01:18The government has set a protocol for official functions, including how the song should be sung.
01:23But protecting the song from insult or disruption is not the same as forcing every individual to sing it.
01:31How did a song meant to unite Indians become a debate over religion, identity and politics?
01:38Who is dividing us in the name of the national song?
01:41And has the national song itself become a test of nationalism?
01:45Before I bring in the guests on the show, let's listen in to who said what.
01:51I am very clear, the resolution of the 1937, Mahatma Gandhi Ji, Pandit Jawaharlal Nagar Ji,
01:59Devindranath Atagur Ji, Subharshan Chandraposthi, this type of Sardar Patel Ji,
02:04this type of topmost leadership of that point of time, decided that whatever the decision they took,
02:13we will abide that decision.
02:15The Congress Party has made a decision for the country and the country of the country.
02:48Joining me first on the show is our big newsmaker, Dr. Abhishek Manu Singhvi,
02:52fifth-term sitting member of parliament, member of the Congress Working Committee,
02:57eminent jurist and senior national spokesperson of the Congress Party.
03:00Dr. Singhvi, Home Minister Amit Shah says that the CWC's decision of which you are a part
03:06to sing only two stanzas actually repeats the 1937 mistake
03:12and directly fed the two-nation theory that led to partition.
03:17As a jurist and a CWC member, is that a serious historical claim?
03:23How do you look at it?
03:25Maria, thank you for the generous introduction.
03:27Let me start by saying that I am terrified and shivering
03:32that I will be called anti-national and seditious after doing this program with you.
03:39That is the state of the affairs today.
03:41Now, this is framing the issue in a distorted manner.
03:48Anybody who knows anything about history knows that the Congress has decided to continue doing
03:55what the Congress and the nation was doing from 1937 uninterruptedly till 2026.
04:04The Congress is not going to do it at an official government function,
04:08which is not the Congress function.
04:10What the Congress has proclaimed is what it will do in its own functions.
04:14Now, I would like to ask the Honorable Home Minister,
04:18who of course is very learned in history and in traditions,
04:22that in 1937 October, the people who first sat together
04:28discussed very much in detail about Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, Sardar Patel, Subhash,
04:33both in Mahatma Gandhi, Azad, and then they consulted Rabindranath Tagore.
04:39And after that detailed consultation, with a view to taking the country together,
04:44a decision was made, A, that Janagaraman should be the national anthem,
04:50B, that Vande Mataram shall be the national song, no less, very important,
04:56and see that the first two stanzas will be an opposite reflection of the prosperity,
05:04the momentum, and the direction of this nation.
05:07Now, according to Mr. Shah, they were all unpatriotic.
05:13According to the Honorable Home Minister,
05:16Mahatma Gandhi downwards, Bose upwards,
05:21Azad, Nehru, everybody is either anti-national or unpatriotic.
05:27And from then till today,
05:30Vande Mataram was elevated to the status of a national song.
05:34As you know, 15 years later, on 24th of January 1950,
05:39the president of the Constituted Assembly
05:41and the first president of India, Rajinder Prashad,
05:43proclaimed that this is a national song of equal status with Janagaraman.
05:48So all these people were doing what?
05:51They were, as he says, doing two-nation theory?
05:55Is that why we fought for independence and did not agree?
05:59They were doing appeasement?
06:02I think, you know, what the BGP is doing is,
06:06it is conflating consciously and deliberately.
06:13Patriotism into a six-tanzar test.
06:15It is deliberately conflating political convenience
06:20with historical veracity.
06:23The latter they are ignoring, the former they are moving on.
06:27They are moving only on political convenience.
06:29And let me last say,
06:31Mahatma Gandhi himself defended this on this discussion.
06:36Remember, Tagore came up with this idea finally.
06:39This group of people accepted it.
06:41And right from then onwards, Mahatma Gandhi repeatedly said
06:45that this is the national symbol which unites people across India.
06:49This is, you know, patriotism doesn't mean cultural uniformity.
06:53It doesn't mean my compulsion or my command to you
06:57to do what I say.
06:59It means what is truly felt for the nation
07:03and carries everybody along together.
07:05And that is something, an idea of India,
07:08which I doubt very much if BJP or its leaders
07:10will ever begin to understand.
07:12Dr. Singhvi, you have spoken about continuity
07:14and that is the Congress Party's defense.
07:17The same two stanzas sung by freedom fighters,
07:21including Congress's own processions before 1947.
07:25But Parliament has now passed a law
07:27putting Vande Matram on par with the national anthem.
07:33Isn't then this defying that law?
07:37Whatever your historical argument,
07:39this will be now seen as a defiance of a statute.
07:46Maria, that is an incorrect understanding of the law.
07:49First of all, the law has passed now, a few weeks ago.
07:53It is not the law from 1937 to 2026.
07:56Now, because this government believes
07:58that uniformity must be imposed by law,
08:02they passed the law.
08:03But even in the law,
08:05does the law tell you
08:06that when you have a function in your house,
08:10when you have a function in your hotel,
08:12or when you have a function in your institution
08:14or whatever entity,
08:17no law says that you are compelled
08:19to sing in a particular way.
08:21What this law does is
08:23for national official functions.
08:26Certainly, the Congress in its resolution yesterday
08:29and otherwise is not talking about that.
08:31That's the Government of India function.
08:33That's an official function.
08:36What will happen in the future
08:37if governments change?
08:39Law will have to be changed, maybe.
08:41I don't know.
08:41But certainly,
08:44a rendering of the Vande Matram,
08:48as it has been rendered
08:50from 1937 to 2026,
08:53just under 100 years.
08:55How can that be wrong
08:56for a private function
08:57or for a function
08:58intra-the Congress party?
09:01It's as simple as that.
09:02What is happening is
09:04that complete, distorted narratives
09:07are being spread,
09:09complete, distorted ideas
09:10that we are anti-national,
09:12we are appeasing,
09:13we are doing this,
09:13we are doing nothing new.
09:14Who created the Vande Matram
09:17to the national level
09:18and elevated it?
09:19The Congress.
09:20Who wrote all these 1937
09:22and 1950 resolutions?
09:23The Congress.
09:24Where were you that time?
09:25Nowhere.
09:26Who thought of the country
09:28as a whole
09:28and not of political convenience?
09:30So, be clear.
09:32We have said
09:33this is our understanding
09:34of the law
09:36for non-official,
09:38non-governmental functions.
09:39Okay.
09:40Now,
09:40otherwise what happens
09:41is a different matter.
09:43Okay.
09:43Dr. Singh,
09:44if the Congress
09:44objected this strongly
09:46to the full song mandate,
09:48where was that opposition
09:50when the prevention
09:51of insults
09:52to national honour
09:53amendment bill
09:54was actually debated
09:56and passed in Parliament?
09:57Why register the protest now?
09:59After the fact
10:01that instead of
10:02on the floor of the House,
10:03shouldn't that be
10:04being done
10:05on the floor
10:05of the House, sir?
10:06Very good question, Maria.
10:08Let me just turn
10:09your question around
10:10to yourself
10:10and get the answer.
10:13You know,
10:14the whole country knows
10:15that for the first week
10:16of Parliament,
10:17full seven days,
10:18the whole country
10:19on the students
10:20and the neat issue
10:21was on fire.
10:22There were two
10:23or three simple demands.
10:24Both the honourable
10:25Prime Minister
10:26and the Home Minister
10:26must come to the House.
10:28A particular
10:29Minister of Education
10:30must resign.
10:31And excesses
10:32which have happened
10:33by the police
10:33must be investigated,
10:34the broadly the three.
10:36For one whole week,
10:37seven days,
10:38nothing happened
10:39and Parliament
10:39was paralysed.
10:42Partly something
10:43was given,
10:43the Minister resigned
10:44and the paralysis
10:45continued because
10:46for the whole session
10:48on pure ego
10:49and we are not asking
10:50to come to our home,
10:51we are asking
10:52to come to Parliament,
10:52the Temple of Democracy,
10:54neither the Prime Minister
10:54nor the Home Minister
10:55came.
10:56Now, at that din,
10:57everybody knows
10:58that every day
10:59there was a walkout.
10:59My question to you is,
11:02would you,
11:02why did you choose
11:03to deliberately
11:04introduce it then?
11:05You deliberately
11:06introduced it
11:07as you did
11:08with some other bills
11:09because you wanted
11:10it passed
11:11without discussion.
11:12You knew that
11:13there was a walkout
11:14every day.
11:15In fact,
11:15for the first week
11:16you never agreed
11:16to the students' demand
11:18and you passed bills.
11:19In the second week,
11:21the first few days
11:21you did the same thing.
11:22So, really speaking,
11:24this is chickenery
11:25by the government.
11:26This is trickery
11:27by the government.
11:28Important measures
11:28like this,
11:29which they,
11:30the government runs
11:31Parliament,
11:31they have to introduce
11:32or not introduce bills.
11:33They could easily
11:34have deferred
11:34to the next session.
11:35They didn't want
11:36a discussion.
11:37Lastly,
11:38to suggest that
11:39because we have
11:39to walkout in that
11:40way to show
11:41solidarity with students,
11:43to show solidarity
11:44with the country
11:44on fire because
11:46of the need
11:46and the police excesses
11:48is not to say
11:49that we are not
11:49opposing this.
11:50Every time
11:51we've opposed this.
11:52Okay.
11:52Dr. Singh,
11:53as a lawyer,
11:54as a lawyer yourself,
11:56now that this is
11:56the law of the land,
11:57how do you see this?
11:59Are you not worried
12:00that this could,
12:01you know,
12:02open up
12:02almost like
12:04a sudden surge
12:05of cases
12:06around this
12:06will emerge now?
12:08I think you're right.
12:10I have no faith
12:12that the establishment
12:14which this government runs
12:15will be objective
12:17in the implementation
12:17of this law.
12:19They have shown
12:20their one-sidedness
12:21and their animus
12:23especially against
12:24political opponents
12:25in several misuse
12:26of several agency
12:27special laws
12:28from the PMLA,
12:30et cetera.
12:31I therefore do expect
12:32that this law
12:33will be misused
12:34and distorted.
12:36For example,
12:37the law itself
12:38has no such compulsion.
12:39It criminalizes
12:41obstruction
12:42of singing of
12:43Vande Matra.
12:43So if you are singing
12:44Vande Matra
12:45voluntarily
12:45and if I inhibit
12:47or obstruct you,
12:48then I may be
12:49it by the law.
12:50But if in a private,
12:51non-government,
12:52non-official function,
12:53I do my own singing
12:54of the first two standards,
12:55I read nothing
12:56in the law
12:56which prohibits.
12:57Now what the government
12:58will do
12:58is many things.
12:59It can issue guidelines.
13:01It can start relying
13:02on the guideline
13:02which is not the law.
13:03Guideline is your understanding.
13:05So this will lead to,
13:07I believe,
13:08some fracca
13:08where none is required.
13:09I believe some strife
13:11and division
13:11and distrust
13:12where none is required.
13:13But that's the way
13:14the government works.
13:15This government believes
13:16that a majority
13:18in parliament,
13:19Bahumat,
13:21is the answer
13:21to everything.
13:22Bahumat validates
13:23all wrongs.
13:24Bahumat validates
13:25all errors.
13:27So that's the way it is
13:28and it will have to be
13:28fought in courts.
13:29Okay, my last question
13:30to you, Dr. Singhvi,
13:31and for this you have to
13:32where your Congress
13:33leaders at.
13:34If the two stanza version
13:36was good enough
13:37for Gandhi, Nehru
13:38and the Congress
13:38of the Freedom Struggle,
13:40why has your party
13:41allowed the BJP
13:42to own the full song,
13:44full patriotism narrative
13:46for over a decade
13:47instead of contesting it
13:49head on?
13:51Maria,
13:51there is some
13:52misunderstanding.
13:53I mean,
13:53I don't,
13:53who else has contested
13:55this than us?
13:56You tell me
13:56who else in the country
13:57has consistently
13:59contested it?
14:00The Vande Matram
14:01controversy
14:02is in fact
14:03created by the BJP.
14:04Just like
14:05mandir controversy
14:06is created by them.
14:08Just like religion,
14:08their whole existence
14:11is to create divisions
14:13in society
14:13on two issues.
14:14Their whole system
14:15is that.
14:16Namely,
14:17one,
14:17that you must have
14:18this division in society
14:20on patriotism
14:21and nationalism.
14:22I must wear it
14:23on my sleeve,
14:24otherwise I am liable
14:25to be hung
14:26from the nearest post.
14:27Second is religion.
14:28So you think that
14:30if I go to a temple
14:31I am defensive?
14:33Do you think
14:34that if I wear
14:34one of my favorite colors
14:35is actually
14:36saffron and green?
14:38Saffron has a great
14:39tradition in India,
14:40far before the BJP
14:41was born.
14:42Do you think
14:43I let them appropriate that?
14:44No,
14:44I am a proud Hindu.
14:45But I am a true Hindu,
14:46I believe.
14:48You may have
14:48a different definition
14:49of Hindu.
14:49So therefore,
14:51according to the Congress,
14:52we speak up,
14:54we are the party
14:55which is the first speaker
14:56on the first podium.
14:58But obviously,
14:59we can't be there
15:00inside parliament
15:00when we are doing
15:01a concerted,
15:03consistent opposition
15:04for the cause of students.
15:06And that's when
15:07you choose to pass the law.
15:09All right.
15:09Dr. Abhishek Manu Singh,
15:11we really appreciate
15:12your time.
15:12Thank you for joining us
15:13and sharing your views.
15:15Thank you so much.
15:17Joining me now
15:18is Rakesh Sinha
15:19former BJP MP,
15:21RSS ideologue,
15:22author.
15:23Mr. Sinha,
15:24Congress says
15:25it is simply
15:26continuing
15:27what
15:28Gandhi,
15:29Nehru
15:30and freedom struggle
15:31Congress volunteers
15:32themselves sang
15:34and went to jail for.
15:36The two stanza version.
15:38If that's true,
15:39how does the RSS
15:40justify
15:41calling the same choice
15:43anti-national today?
15:48No, this is a disruption
15:50by the Congress.
15:52This disruption
15:53is reversing
15:54the concept
15:55of nationalism
15:55in the country.
15:57Because in 1937,
15:59the so-called consensus
16:01in the Congress
16:01was based on
16:03two premises.
16:05One,
16:06by giving
16:07concession
16:08on
16:09Vande Matram,
16:10they would marginalize
16:11Muhammad Ali Jinnah
16:13and
16:14common Muslims
16:15would not be
16:16misguided by him.
16:18Second assumption
16:19was that
16:20once the problem
16:22would be resolved,
16:23the Vande Matram
16:24would come
16:26into its original form.
16:27So the Congress
16:29party
16:29is taking
16:30center of
16:31Gandhi,
16:32Nehru,
16:33Maulana,
16:33Ajad and others
16:34just to hide
16:36the shame
16:36of
16:37its
16:39reversal
16:39nationalist
16:40posture.
16:41Second important
16:42thing here
16:43you know,
16:46Vande Matram
16:47is not simply
16:47a
16:50nationalist
16:50song.
16:52It has a history
16:53of
16:54it inspires
16:55sacrifices.
16:56It became
16:56the symbol
16:57of sacrifices.
16:58Baji Raut
16:59was just
16:5912 years old
17:00and son
17:00of
17:00Malla
17:01in
17:01Orissa.
17:02He sacrificed
17:03his life
17:03and his
17:04last word
17:05was
17:05Vande Matram.
17:06Tilastri
17:07Barwa
17:07in
17:08Asam
17:08Guwahati
17:09she sacrificed
17:10her life
17:10and her
17:11last word
17:12was
17:12Vande Matram
17:13she was
17:13also 12
17:14years old.
17:15Matangani
17:16Hajra
17:16she sacrificed
17:18her life
17:18for the
17:19nationalist
17:19cause
17:20her last
17:21word
17:21was
17:21Vande Matram.
17:22Therefore
17:23what Congress
17:23is doing
17:24they are
17:25just
17:25perpetuating
17:26the
17:27super
17:27impeachment
17:28of a
17:28particular
17:29community
17:29but here
17:30Maria
17:31is very
17:31very
17:31important
17:32thing.
17:33There is
17:33a difference
17:34between
17:34Jinnah
17:35and Sonia
17:35Gandhi.
17:36Jinnah
17:37has some
17:37principal
17:38disagreement
17:38on
17:39Vande Matram.
17:41He
17:42had
17:43argument
17:43that
17:44idol
17:44worship
17:45is not
17:45permissible
17:45in
17:46Islam.
17:47The
17:48Congress
17:48had
17:49different
17:49logic
17:50that
17:50time
17:50before
17:51impeachment
17:51that
17:52here
17:52Durga
17:53and
17:54Saraswati
17:55whose
17:55name
17:56does
17:56not
17:57come
17:57as
17:57Saraswati
17:57but
17:57Vidya
17:58Daini
17:58they
17:59are
17:59in
17:59a
18:00cultural
18:00posture
18:00they
18:01are
18:01reflecting
18:01India's
18:02strength
18:02women
18:03power
18:04how
18:04women
18:05power
18:05having
18:06divinity
18:07safeguarded
18:08the nation
18:09from
18:10the evil
18:10forces
18:10devil
18:11forces.
18:12Here
18:12Sonia
18:13Gandhi's
18:14posture
18:14that
18:14day
18:14if
18:15it
18:15is
18:16for
18:16one
18:16day
18:16matram
18:17what
18:17I
18:17assume
18:18it
18:21exhibited
18:22hatred
18:23for
18:23the
18:23one
18:23day
18:23matram
18:24But
18:25how
18:25is
18:25it
18:25really
18:25hatred
18:26for
18:26one
18:26day
18:27matram
18:27is
18:28But
18:28Rakeh
18:28ji
18:29what
18:30you
18:30are
18:30saying
18:30has
18:31been
18:31said
18:31by
18:31Home
18:32Minister
18:32Amit
18:32Shah
18:32also
18:33today
18:33who
18:33has
18:34directly
18:34linked
18:35Congress
18:351937
18:36two
18:36stanza
18:37decision
18:37to
18:38the
18:38rise
18:38of
18:39the
18:39two
18:39nation
18:39theory
18:40and
18:40then
18:40partition
18:40as
18:41someone
18:42who
18:42thinks
18:42and
18:42writes
18:43on
18:43nationalism
18:43for
18:44a
18:44living
18:45is
18:45that
18:45a
18:46rigorous
18:46historical
18:47argument
18:47or
18:48many
18:48would
18:48say
18:49that
18:49this
18:49is
18:49politics
18:53no
18:54first
18:55I
18:55am
18:55coming
18:55to
18:56Sonia
18:56Gandhi
18:56how
18:57hatred
18:57because
18:57I
18:58am
18:58speaking
18:59for
18:59a
18:59national
19:00leader
19:01you
19:02know
19:02something
19:03Maria
19:03I
19:03am
19:03expressing
19:04something
19:05which
19:05you
19:06don't
19:06like
19:06disagree
19:07your
19:08posture
19:08would
19:08be
19:08different
19:09you
19:10will
19:10be
19:10patient
19:10you
19:11will
19:12condemn
19:12and
19:12you
19:13will
19:13disagree
19:13you
19:13will
19:14show
19:14your
19:14disagreement
19:15but
19:15something
19:16which
19:17comes
19:17which
19:18you
19:18hate
19:19your
19:19body
19:19language
19:20will
19:20be
19:20different
19:20she
19:21was
19:21excited
19:22she
19:23was
19:25perturbed
19:25and she
19:27could not
19:27hide
19:27her
19:28anger
19:29that's
19:30why I
19:31say
19:31there is
19:31a
19:31difference
19:32between
19:32Jinnah
19:32and Sonia
19:33Gandhi
19:33he
19:34was
19:34he
19:34principally
19:35disagreed
19:36here
19:36Sonia
19:37Gandhi
19:37has
19:37no
19:37principle
19:38except
19:38discarding
19:39the
19:40nationalist
19:40idea
19:42and
19:42nationalist
19:42thing
19:43as for
19:43Amish
19:44Saji's
19:45observation
19:46is very
19:47important
19:47this is
19:49the milestone
19:49when you
19:51withdrew the
19:51national flag
19:52from saffron
19:53to tricolor
19:54and the
19:55congress
19:55working committee
19:56seven members
19:56committee
19:57recommended
19:59saffron flag
20:00as its national
20:00flag but it
20:01was a little
20:01withdrawn
20:02and congress
20:03working committee's
20:04decision was
20:04accepted by the
20:05country
20:05but on the
20:06question of
20:07Vande Matram
20:08which was a
20:09nationalist
20:09war cry
20:11since
20:121905
20:13Saji
20:13movement
20:14and
20:15we feel
20:16proud
20:16Dr.
20:17Hedgibar
20:18RSS
20:19founder
20:19was
20:20expelled
20:21from
20:22Neel City
20:22school
20:23Nagpur
20:23only because
20:24he raised
20:25slogan of
20:25Vande Matram
20:26in front of
20:28the
20:28British
20:29school
20:30inspector
20:31so
20:31since
20:321905
20:33till
20:35late
20:3630s
20:36and
20:37later on
20:37till
20:371947
20:38Vande Matram
20:39was a
20:40war crime
20:40British
20:41banned it
20:42by a
20:42resily circular
20:43you cannot
20:44shout
20:44Vande Matram
20:45therefore
20:46I consider
20:46that
20:47before
20:481937
20:49no
20:49Muslim
20:49group
20:50had
20:50objection
20:51no
20:52Muslim
20:52group
20:52had
20:52objection
20:531896
20:54when
20:54this
20:55was
20:55this
20:56song
20:56was
20:56first
20:57time
20:58at
20:59the
20:59congress
20:59platform
21:00it
21:02was
21:02presided
21:03by
21:03a
21:03Muslim
21:03leader
21:03so
21:04therefore
21:05I
21:05consider
21:05that
21:06it
21:06is
21:06after
21:06thought
21:07of
21:07Jinnah
21:07it
21:08was
21:08not
21:08a
21:09principle
21:09criticism
21:11of
21:11Vande Matram
21:12it
21:12was
21:12just
21:12to
21:13create
21:13his
21:14ground
21:14for
21:14the
21:14Pakistan
21:15movement
21:15in
21:16post
21:17partition
21:17there
21:18is
21:18no
21:18such
21:19situation
21:19here
21:20it
21:21is
21:21very
21:21important
21:21no
21:22Muslim
21:23organized
21:23group
21:24has
21:24opposed
21:25the
21:25government
21:25decision
21:26no
21:26Muslim
21:28leader
21:29had
21:29showed
21:30hatred
21:31for
21:31the
21:31Vande Matram
21:32as
21:32for
21:33Muslim
21:33community
21:33is
21:34concerned
21:34I
21:34can
21:34assure
21:35you
21:35you
21:35also
21:35know
21:35I
21:36know
21:36I
21:36am
21:36sure
21:37that
21:37you
21:37know
21:37in
21:38Bihar
21:39hundreds
21:40of
21:40Muslims
21:41are
21:42part
21:42of
21:42this
21:43chhat
21:43puja
21:43in
21:44Bengal
21:44Muslims
21:44participate
21:45in
21:45Durga
21:45puja
21:46we
21:46should
21:47create
21:47more
21:48harmony
21:48we
21:49should
21:50create
21:50more
21:51cultural
21:51give
21:52and
21:52take
21:52rather
21:53than
21:53dividing
21:54the
21:54society
21:54Congress
21:55assumption
21:56is that
21:56Hindu
21:56and Muslim
21:57community
21:57division
21:58is
21:58irreconciliable
21:59okay
22:00now tell
22:00me sir
22:01you have
22:02long
22:02argued
22:02nationalism
22:04and Hindu
22:05cultural
22:06identity
22:06are
22:07inseparable
22:08in
22:08India's
22:09context
22:09doesn't
22:11criminalization
22:12non-recitation
22:14as this
22:15new act
22:15now does
22:16turn a
22:17matter of
22:18cultural
22:18conviction
22:19into
22:20coerced
22:21belief
22:22which is
22:22precisely
22:23what the
22:23RSS
22:24says
22:24it is
22:24not
22:25asking
22:25for
22:30you
22:31know
22:32this
22:33country
22:33lack
22:34the
22:34cultural
22:34literacy
22:36when I
22:37say
22:37cultural
22:38literacy
22:38means
22:40indoctrinating
22:41the
22:42people
22:42with
22:43our
22:43soft
22:44power
22:44what
22:45were
22:45we
22:46in
22:47that
22:47context
22:48when you
22:49do a
22:50cultural
22:50literacy
22:50of the
22:51people
22:51the
22:52mode
22:52of
22:53worship
22:53becomes
22:53secondary
22:55in the
22:56history
22:56of
22:56India
22:57there
22:58has
22:58no
22:58record
22:59that
23:00mode
23:00of
23:00worship
23:00has
23:01been
23:01disrupted
23:01by the
23:02Hindus
23:03can
23:06be
23:06cited
23:07but
23:08by
23:08and
23:09large
23:09there
23:10has
23:10been
23:10consensus
23:10that
23:11mode
23:11of
23:12worship
23:12should
23:12not
23:12be
23:13disturbed
23:13I
23:14am
23:14quoting
23:141911
23:15census
23:16report
23:16the
23:17census
23:17commissioner
23:18writes
23:18that
23:19in
23:19India
23:19neighbors
23:21faith
23:21is not
23:22important
23:22neighbors
23:23social
23:24status
23:25is
23:25important
23:26who
23:27is
23:27going
23:27where
23:28temple
23:28masjid
23:29or
23:30church
23:30nobody
23:31bothers
23:32in
23:33such
23:33a
23:33country
23:34and
23:34a
23:35party
23:35which
23:35has
23:35a
23:36history
23:36of
23:36almost
23:37175
23:38years
23:39or
23:39180
23:40years
23:40is
23:41taking
23:41such
23:42a
23:42step
23:42is
23:43unthinkable
23:44and
23:44here
23:45I
23:45am
23:45not
23:47used
23:47to
23:47speak
23:49such
23:50words
23:50but
23:51I
23:51am
23:51compelled
23:51to
23:52because
23:52I
23:52have
23:53been
23:53pained
23:54by
23:54Sonia
23:54Gandhi's
23:55posture
23:55she
23:56is
23:56of
23:56course
23:56Indian
23:57she
23:58adopted
23:58many
23:59things
23:59of
24:00India's
24:00culture
24:00but
24:02Indianness
24:02is
24:02lacking
24:03in
24:03Sonia
24:03Gandhi
24:04had
24:05there
24:05been
24:05complete
24:06Indianness
24:06Sonia
24:07Gandhi
24:07could
24:08not
24:08have
24:08been
24:08perturbed
24:09by
24:09the
24:09singing
24:10of
24:10the
24:10Vande
24:10Matram
24:10at
24:11the
24:11Congress
24:11headquarter
24:12but
24:12Professor
24:13Rakesh
24:13Sina
24:14how much
24:14of
24:14test
24:15will
24:15Sonia
24:16Gandhi
24:16have
24:16to
24:17go
24:17through
24:17for
24:17so
24:18many
24:18years
24:18she
24:18has
24:19been
24:19asked
24:19to
24:20prove
24:20her
24:20Indianness
24:21how
24:21many
24:21more
24:21years
24:22that
24:22certainly
24:23is
24:23the
24:23question
24:23that
24:24you
24:24have
24:24to
24:24think
24:31answer
24:31give
24:33me
24:3310
24:34seconds
24:34to
24:34answer
24:34go
24:35ahead
24:38yeah
24:39you
24:39know
24:39I'm
24:40not
24:40questioning
24:41her
24:41integrity
24:42I
24:43said
24:43she
24:43adopted
24:44many
24:45things
24:45of
24:45Indian
24:46culture
24:46but
24:47here
24:47the
24:48kind
24:48of
24:48previously
24:49I
24:50never
24:50argued
24:51her
24:51I
24:51cannot
24:52argue
24:52this
24:53is
24:53the
24:53country
24:53where
24:54had
24:56married
24:56to
24:56a
24:56Greek
24:58lady
24:58and
24:58India
24:59accepted
25:00that
25:00time
25:00we
25:01are
25:01the
25:01first
25:01country
25:02in
25:02the
25:02world
25:02in
25:03civilization
25:04which
25:05a
25:06king
25:06has
25:06married
25:07not
25:07because
25:07you
25:07are
25:07defeated
25:08she
25:09was
25:09attracted
25:09to
25:09India
25:10so
25:10here
25:11I
25:11am
25:11questioning
25:12Sonia
25:12jeez
25:13posture
25:13was
25:14is
25:14very
25:14important
25:15hetereness
25:16for
25:16the
25:16bandai
25:17matram
25:17and
25:18disagreement
25:18with
25:19bandai
25:19matram
25:19of
25:20this
25:20agenda
25:21are
25:21two
25:21different
25:21things
25:22all
25:22right
25:22professor
25:23Rakesh
25:23sin
25:23I
25:23appreciate
25:24your
25:24time
25:24thank
25:24you
25:24for
25:24joining
25:25us
25:26and
25:27let
25:27me
25:27bring
25:28in
25:31of
25:31Rishi
25:32Bankim
25:33Chandra
25:33Chattopadhyay's
25:34family
25:34Joydeep
25:36the
25:36congress
25:36is
25:36saying
25:37that
25:37it
25:37will
25:37sing
25:38only
25:38the
25:38first
25:38two
25:39stanzas
25:39as
25:40it
25:40always
25:41has
25:41since
25:42the
25:42freedom
25:42movement
25:43the
25:43BJP
25:44has
25:44called
25:44that
25:45the
25:45new
25:45Muslim
25:46league
25:46and
25:46as
25:47the
25:47family
25:47custodian
25:48of
25:49Bankim
25:49Chandra
25:49legacy
25:51whose
25:52reading
25:52is
25:52closer
25:53to
25:54what
25:54he
25:55actually
25:55wrote
25:57a
25:58day
25:58key
25:58a
25:59job
25:59have
26:00our
26:00sadinata
26:01sangra
26:01me
26:02who
26:02be
26:03top
26:03comment
26:03did
26:04shit
26:04what
26:05up
26:06up
26:06not
26:07when
26:07like
26:07or
26:08kalapata
26:09me
26:09like
26:09the
26:10one
26:10day
26:10matram
26:11is
26:11a
26:12or
26:12sapat
26:12bak
26:13kak
26:14sada
26:14na
26:15ta
26:15sangra
26:15me
26:15a
26:16what
26:16t
26:16a
26:17toe
26:18on
26:19kapas
26:19vand
26:20de
26:20matram
26:21on
26:21an
26:21to
26:22pray
26:22no
26:22ka
26:23o
26:28foreign
27:22This is our death.
27:24The universe is the mantra of the universe. We say that we are the mantra of the universe. What is
27:30the problem? We do not know. We have a mobile set of 5G. Our rocket is now going to Grahantar.
27:43Telling us no अएमारा मात्रि जते का संवन नहीं करेगा, हम तो सोचेगा यह जो नहीं आपन मात्रि भल्षा का
28:02संमन नहीं करता है. वो देश के रहने से उनको नहीं ओदिकार तो shy यह दो स्टंजा
28:08do not communicate the sentiment in which the Congress is saying?
28:16No, no, no, it has been a big deal.
28:20In those stances, Bankim Chandra does not write so much in the form.
28:28It needs to be complete.
28:29is
28:31is
28:31is
28:34inspirational power
28:36is
28:36is
28:37is
28:38is
28:38is
28:40is
28:40is
28:42is
28:43is
28:50is
28:51is
28:53is
28:53is
28:53is
28:53is
28:55is
28:55is
28:55is
28:56is
29:26I appreciate your time.
29:27Thank you for joining.
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29:35That's all from me on this edition of NewsTrack.
29:37Thanks so much for watching.