00:00Like, I don't, like, have an issue with guys that are confident in themselves, and when they're asked a question
00:05like that, and they're legitimately, if they say yes, you would go, like, oh, okay, he ain't lying.
00:12So, I mean, he kind of said it, but he kind of, you know, danced around it a little bit,
00:16just coming out and saying, yeah, I should be.
00:18Blood, sweat, and tears rejoined, Shyam, at some point this morning.
00:20Who's that by?
00:21I'm sorry, I'm unfamiliar.
00:23Oh.
00:24Yeah.
00:24Do they have a hit?
00:26A hit.
00:27They have several hits.
00:28It's spinning wheel would be at the top of the list.
00:31Got it.
00:31But, yeah, I mean, it's very difficult because he, what is the average?
00:3928, 29 points.
00:40Like, 28.8 points a game.
00:4228, 28.8.
00:44Seven rebounds.
00:46Like, six or seven assists.
00:47He's only missed nine.
00:48He's only missed nine games.
00:51I mean, he's certainly, this team, the expectation was not there when Jason Tatum went down.
00:57So, um, he is a part, a big part of how well they've done that team without him.
01:05And this is, this goes back to Brad Stevens.
01:08That team without him, those nine games is eight and one.
01:11Right.
01:11So, um, you know, maybe Brad Stevens ought to be the MVP of the team.
01:15But, um, but yeah, I mean, I, I, he's, he's, he's, maybe analytically he isn't there, but
01:21you have to take a look at the value that a player has to the team.
01:26Hence why it's called the most valuable.
01:28Right.
01:28And that's the way I look.
01:29And I look at what that player has around them, right?
01:31You have victim women.
01:32Yama.
01:32We always talk about him.
01:33He has the Aaron Fox and the kid.
01:35Castle's pretty good.
01:36You look at, um, um, you look at SGA from OKC.
01:41I know Chet Holmgrens was an all-star.
01:43I know they played most of the year without the other Jalen, uh, Williams.
01:46Williams, but when you start to look at what he's been able to do, because if you're going
01:51to go to analytics and stats, then you got to give it a joke or every single year, because
01:56he's going to average almost 30.
01:58He's going to average more than 10 rebounds and more than 10 assists every single year.
02:02So if you're basing it off of stats, then that's the guy who should get it.
02:05Who do you think?
02:06Who do you think?
02:07Honest.
02:07Be honest.
02:08Don't be green team.
02:09Who do you, who do you think should get it?
02:10I think it's going to be SGA again.
02:12But do you agree with that?
02:13Yeah, I mean, I do think that he has the best case because as you're going through those
02:19names, Wiggy, I do think everybody else has kind of, I can never say this word, an asterisk.
02:25Yeah, I got it.
02:26Next to them, where Jalen doesn't have the statistical argument.
02:31You can watch night in, night out.
02:33Most voters don't watch every team night in, night out.
02:35That's really impossible to do with the NBA.
02:39And Wemby only plays 29 minutes a game and you're not going to give it to Jokic every
02:47year.
02:48And now Luka is trying to get some extraordinary exemption for missing one game for the birth
02:54of his child, even though what about all the other games that he missed?
02:57So I think it'll be SGA again and I think he probably deserves it.
03:00Like, I don't love his game, but I do think that if we're going to make this award a big
03:05deal, then historically it should reflect where that person standing is in the league.
03:09And SGA is on the best team, reigning champs, and he's the top player.
03:14Yeah.
03:14But don't you put the, don't you factor in the pieces around it?
03:18Like, don't you factor that in?
03:19I don't think that we should as much because that is the same case that worked against Tatum
03:24for years.
03:25So I'm not going to like argue that.
03:28And that hurt him.
03:29Yeah.
03:29Yeah.
03:30And I don't think it should have.
03:32That's a, that's my point.
03:33Okay.
03:33Is that I think that it should be about the player.
03:36Like just call it the best player award.
03:38This most valuable people get is the same thing.
03:41Same thing with the NFL.
03:42People twist themselves into pretzels to try to, to try to explain what value is on a team.
03:48We all know what it is.
03:49It's just the best player.
03:50So say it's the best player.
03:51But see the, the, what you have around you argument worked for me when talking about
03:57Drake may.
03:58Yeah.
03:58And Matthew Stafford.
03:59Because Drake may did not have anywhere near around him.
04:02And he didn't win it.
04:03I know.
04:03I know.
04:04But that's why.
04:05So call it the best player award.
04:06Who's the best player?
04:08Okay.
04:09Okay.
04:09Maybe I could, I guess I could rock with you on that.
04:11You think this past season, Matthew Stafford was a better player than Drake may was?
04:16Personally, I don't, but I would have voted differently.
04:18See, but here's the thing with the best player, because what that ends up happening, it's skewed
04:24a little bit.
04:24It should be SGA is the best offensive player.
04:29You want to give him that award, give him that.
04:31But you have to factor in the defense too.
04:33Like Jalen Brown is a much better defender than SGA.
04:38And you factored that in because you have to play both ends of the court.
04:42So if Jalen's averaging almost 30 or 29 on the offensive side, and then he's one of
04:47your best defenders on the defensive side, and he's one of your, he's, he's one of your
04:52better rebounders.
04:53He's one of your better assist, uh, assist makers.
04:56When you start to look at SGA and you say, okay, SGA might be like, all right, he scores
05:01more points than him, but who does more for their basketball team?
05:06It's all about a bet.
05:07It all goes back to the, to the, to the way, but it was the same thing with Tatum, but
05:12can
05:12I say this?
05:13It's the same thing with Tatum.
05:14I have a, I have a question for, for Mago, Wiggy, Greg, anybody else wants to come in,
05:19but specifically to the NBA diehards, do you believe the odds of winning an MVP would be
05:26different if everything was identical, but Jalen Brown was out for the year and Jason Tatum
05:32had this, these numbers and the Celtics were where they are now.
05:35No, no, I think Jalen is, is hurt by the fact that he's been around the league.
05:41This is his 10th season, but this is the first season that he made a jump from being a top
05:4520 player to being considered a top five player.
05:47No, but that's what I'm saying.
05:49So Tatum was a top five player entering this year.
05:51So you're saying if it was reversed and it had been Tatum that led this team without Brown,
05:56right.
05:57Then he would, he would be, he would be better than he would be the MVP.
06:01I bet he'd be the favorite.
06:02I wouldn't even think it would be, I don't even think we'd be having the conversation.
06:05Here's what I'm saying right now.
06:06I'm like a fox walking through the woods and I see the trap that Curtis is setting for
06:12me between two trees and I'm not walking into it.
06:16I see what he's doing.
06:17Like I see, I don't know what kind of, like there's the open claw trap and I'm looking at
06:22it.
06:23So here's what I'm going to say about this.
06:25For me, it was just gin.
06:26It wasn't that hard to trap me.
06:27I agree with the, where you're leading me, but I don't think that that is a Celtics franchise
06:35centric thing.
06:36No, it's not.
06:36I think it's about outside perspective and the Celtics can't control for that.
06:41And this is my point.
06:42Exactly.
06:42And my point is, I think Jalen, especially just speaking for myself, I, I have thought
06:47Jalen has been overdramatic in discussing the, the manner in which he is covered.
06:53But this is a really good example of an, you know, of that coming to impact his ability
06:59to get an award at the end of the season.
07:01Like, I, I just, I think if this is Jason Tatum and everything else is the same, Tatum's
07:05winning the MVP.
07:05In the same, in the same way though, Curtis, like I think Tatum, maybe even more so than
07:10who he's had around him when they were a championship caliber team.
07:14Yeah, that knocked them down.
07:15The last two years.
07:16I think even more so Tatum is a little bit hurt in these arguments when he's totally healthy,
07:22by being such an outstanding rookie, because people got so excited.
07:27Anthony Edwards.
07:28Oh my God.
07:28He's going to be the face of the league.
07:30Look at him.
07:30He's coming out of nowhere and he, and he's an actor in Adam Sandler's movie.
07:34And then, oh, SGA, like, wow, I can't believe the Clippers, uh, moved on from him and he's
07:39coming out of nowhere.
07:40Like Tatum never came out of nowhere.
07:42He was a super high pick out of Duke.
07:44He had a great rookie season in the NBA and he was never a new story.
07:47There was never a story until the Achilles to tell about Jason Tatum.
07:51That wasn't Jason Tatum's really good.
07:53He loves basketball and he's a dad.
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