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00:03What up though Detroit, it is Leisha B with The Morning Rollout and we are back with another
00:07Detroit Culture Shifters and this one was definitely one we had to do. I mean he's from
00:12Saginaw Valley State University alum. He is probably going to tell us exactly what we need
00:17to be doing financially and what we shouldn't be doing financially. We've got none other than
00:21Cliff Roach II. How you doing friend? I'm blessed. I'm blessed. Thank you for having me. Thank you
00:25for coming. So I've been dibbling and dabbling in your world figuring you out but I want to start
00:30from all the way to who you are besides being the money coach. Yeah. Okay so who is Cliff and
00:36how did
00:37you become the money coach that we see today? That's definitely a loaded question. So you know
00:41Cliff Roach II, otherwise known as Cliff Roach the money coach, I'm just a kid from West Semen Mile.
00:46You know I grew up parents working really hard, had an older sister, just had a family full of love
00:52and respect and great work ethic and I think that's really been instilled in me all this time. So
00:57through school, athletics, my professional career, I've always just been focused on
01:01respecting the people around me and working really hard and as you mentioned graduated from Saginaw
01:06Valley State University and I jumped into corporate America working not really having an idea of what I
01:12wanted to do long term. I just knew two things. I wanted to make a whole lot of money and
01:16I wanted
01:17to impact people right and so as I started working I actually ended up getting introduced to a financial
01:22advisor became his client and then that's how I bridged the gap between you know not knowing what
01:27I'm doing and making money to actually getting in the career because my advisor ended up introducing
01:33me to the career and I took advantage of that opportunity in late 2019 and the rest has been
01:38history but who am I at the core again somebody who's just focused on respect loving people building
01:43community and education so that's in the nutshell I'm sure we'll unpack that more but I'll stop right
01:48there because I can go all day. No I love it and I love that I won't say it essentially
01:52fell into
01:53your lap because you worked for that that moment but I love that it was able to one figure out
01:58what
01:59you did long term but you were still able to impact people so with being a financial educator
02:07how how do you go about it because I feel like especially with our community people of color
02:12yeah in general I think money conversations aren't had in the household absolutely so where they had
02:18for you or did that happen with this mentorship you know I'm really glad you asked me that because
02:23I often ask people I talk to whether it's on my podcast or in our one-on-one meetings about
02:29what the
02:30money conversations were growing up for them but nobody's ever really asked me that right I've
02:34volunteered the answer but not many people have asked so there's a very short list of lessons that my
02:41parents always told me but a lot of things just came by observation one thing my mom always said
02:47was live below your means yes come on right that was the main thing she always taught but it wasn't
02:54really much education around this is how you invest right this is what you know growing wealth looks like
03:01and passing it to the next generation she would always say you know don't live beyond your means and I
03:05remember one time her trying to explain to me what interest meant when you take out debt right like
03:11you've got a principal and you've got interest the principal is the concrete amount that you borrow
03:15and the interest is the extra money on top that you have to pay back and when she was trying
03:20to tell
03:20it to me I was probably in high school so it was in one ear out the other I wasn't
03:24really registering
03:24what she was saying but what I think is significant Alicia this is something that I talk about a lot
03:29with
03:30professionals and adults that I teach now there's two types of interest there's the interest that you owe
03:36somebody because you borrow money and then there's the interest that you can earn from investing money
03:42right and that's when somebody's paying you extra the definition of me earning interest wasn't something
03:47my mom was telling me about she was just telling me about the interest that required me to pay back
03:52debt to somebody else right and that mindset shift right there is is powerful right because I think a lot
03:58of people are on the first half of that coin where they're used to paying other people interest right but
04:03they never cross that bridge and say no let me put myself in a position to where people are paying
04:08me interest and I'm growing my money and doubling it over time so um no there weren't a lot of
04:14technical
04:14lessons taught in the household but that was the main motivator behind me getting into the industry because I
04:20knew like I said I wanted to make a whole lot of money so there was no way I would
04:24get there without me
04:25learning all the tricks of the trade so I got into the industry because I knew I would have to
04:31learn
04:31as much as possible to be able to teach other people but also to be able to manage money well
04:36for myself and for my future generations so with that when you're having these conversations with
04:43people who I'm only assuming don't have those conversations with their family in their household
04:48and they're coming to you looking for that next step what is that one thing that is always brought up
04:54or is always a common denominator when you're approaching conversations like this or something that
05:00you don't think people really think about before they're sitting in a seat with you for sure I
05:06don't think people register that most of the habits they have right now came from what they observe
05:12from their parents and so we always unpack that and that's how we start the foundation of those
05:18conversations and to answer your question about how do I approach that how do I educate them well
05:23that's normally how I start when we're in a one-on-one setting is letting them unpack you know who
05:28was in a
05:28household that raised you and what did you learn or observe from them right because you might have
05:33witnessed one parent you know pay bills on time invest in the market plan for retirement do all
05:39the right things you might have had another parent who was a shopaholic and they ran up credit cards and
05:46they splurged and they never checked their accounts they were behind on bills and you might have saw
05:51parents you know fight and argue over money because of a dynamic like that right
05:55um or some people have never heard anything from their parents about what to do they just see
06:03what's going on and they repeat those same habits right so when I sit down with adults and I'm like
06:08okay before we unpack what you do right now at 30 35 40 years old let's talk about what you
06:13saw growing
06:13up and then throughout this conversation I'm going to see if there's a correlation here and help you
06:18identify that because that's the first step because if you're trying to get from you know I'm in
06:23shambles to oh I've got it figured out I'm investing and everything's working well we got
06:28to understand why you got in this exactly shamble of a position in the first place or vice versa if
06:34you're doing everything great and you're checking all the boxes is it because you don't want to repeat
06:39the mistakes you saw or is it because you witnessed really good planning growing up so you're replicating
06:45that so that's definitely something that we unpack and talk about all the time and I love that because
06:49like you said I think a lot of people don't realize that most of your money problems are because of
06:55habits that you can absolutely break and you can absolutely change and I am grateful that I did have
07:00a mother who explained it now did I listen necessarily not probably but she did break those things down for
07:07me and I'm glad that there is someone who can break things down for the metro Detroit area for sure
07:12especially because I've noticed that Detroit has a crazy hustle culture where we're always trying to
07:19access new spaces and innovate and I think that we can't move past that without financial education
07:26so why is it important to have those money conversations while you're trying to grind out
07:30right now even if like you're just starting out of college or you're just building something why is
07:35money conversation so important with that hustle culture as well so the analogy I like to think of
07:41is if you were gonna drive from your house to a destination that you've never been to before
07:46and let's say it's 300 miles away from home are you gonna start your GPS once you're like halfway
07:55down the street or would you start it before you pull out the driveway that's a good one you would
07:59probably start the GPS before you even move the car because you don't know which turn to make
08:04and there might be a closure here a delay there construction that you need to get around and find an
08:09alternate route you never know what might come up on your trip but you've started that GPS
08:15long in advance sometimes I don't know about you I might even look at it the night before just to
08:19have an idea like okay I got to take this freeway go in that direction so I know in the
08:23morning I have
08:24an idea of where I'm headed that's the same way I look at financial planning so even if you're in
08:29college or you just started your first job or you're not married you don't have kids you haven't
08:33bought a home you should still be planning for your retirement and for the next generation
08:37or at least getting an idea of what that roadmap of your financial journey looks like right so that
08:44when it is time to start you at least have an idea of where you should be going and to
08:48be honest when
08:50I see people three to four or five years in to making money whatever habits they started off with
08:56in those first few years is pretty much what they're going to stick with it's really hard to course correct
09:01once you've gotten in a groove of managing money a certain way unless you have an abrupt reason that you
09:07really need to make a drastic change so it's always important for people to start early even if they
09:11aren't you know 10 years in their career yet or have anybody else relying on them you got to get
09:16an
09:17idea where you're headed before you even start running I love that analogy that just I don't know
09:21why that unlocked something for me so I'm hoping it unlocked something for other people but I feel like
09:26with being in this field there's a lot of ups and downs not only in the business side but just
09:33you
09:33learning as well absolutely so what's a mistake that you probably made financially that now with
09:39a little bit more knowledge and a little bit more context you're like okay I would have handled that
09:44differently because I feel like it would be nice to hear from someone who looks like they know what
09:49they're talking about and knows actually what they're talking about but also still had you know
09:53bumps in the road because can you talk about one of your biggest mistakes financially absolutely this
09:57might sound crazy but one of my biggest mistakes financially was having too much money in my bank
10:02account that sounds crazy right most people are like I want that problem right so I'm gonna break
10:09down why that's a mistake so I'll use another analogy and I love this one if I gave you one
10:15dollar back in the year 2006 right 20 years ago and I say hey you can go to the gas
10:20station and buy
10:21some snacks with this one dollar how many things could you get from the gas station with one dollar in
10:252006 probably a lot I ain't gonna lie to you nowadays well yeah 2006 I'm running up a check in
10:317-eleven
10:31literally all type of stuff right probably four bags of chips right right well in 2026 if I gave you
10:38one dollar and said go buy something I ain't gonna get a bag of chips you can't even get a
10:42small bag of
10:43chips for less than one dollar exactly I don't know if there's anything in the gas station that you can
10:49get for less than maybe one or two items maybe a newspaper yeah but not much right and who even
10:54buys newspapers anymore right so the reason why I bring up that analogy is because money
11:02loses value when it's not growing right and the prices of everything around us go up every single
11:09year that's called inflation so the fact that a bag of chips that was 25 cent in 2006 is now
11:15a dollar
11:1529 in 2026 is inflation yeah so if a bag of chips has multiplied four times in its cost over
11:2420 years
11:25that means your money needs to be able to multiply four or five or six times over over a 20
11:33-year time
11:33frame now if you keep your money in the bank so let's go back to the 2006 analogy if you
11:39had a hundred
11:39dollars in a bank account in 2006 and you never touched it you never added anything you
11:45never took anything out how much money would be in that account in 2026 and that's not a trick
11:50question it would still be a hundred bucks for the most part right it's not going to grow it might
11:54not
11:54lose value but it's not going to grow in value but because of inflation that hundred dollars is not worth
12:01the same anymore after 20 years right so if you have too much money in your bank account it's actually
12:09losing value every single year to inflation so at some point your money has to be invested it has to
12:17be working and growing at a minimum faster than the rate of inflation so that you can always stay ahead
12:23so the mistake that I made was as soon as I graduated college I moved right back home with my
12:27parents
12:27and I was working a job and I literally had like no expenses and so I gave myself like a
12:34couple hundred
12:35bucks a month to spend on food or hanging out but I was you know I was cheap I wasn't
12:39hard to please
12:40right I'm eating chipotle I'm not like you know going to roof chris or anything so I'm literally
12:44only spending money on food and all the rest of my money is just stacking stacking stacking stacking
12:50stacking in a bank account now I didn't have any big grandiose plans I just knew that one lesson
12:55that I learned from my parents live below my means so that's what I was doing and when I met
13:00a
13:00financial advisor after about six or seven months into my career and we had our first meeting one of
13:07the first things he said to me was why do you have all this money in the bank account and
13:13I'm like what
13:13do you mean isn't this what I'm supposed to do isn't this what all right what should I be doing
13:17and then
13:17he introduced me to some things and the light bulb went off I became his client we started working
13:21together and again fast forward I ended up transitioning into being a financial advisor after
13:26about a year or so but that was the mistake that I made I was hoarding too much money in
13:32a bank account
13:32trying to play it safe not understanding that I was young and I should be taking risks so that my
13:38money
13:38can grow and that was long-winded no no I appreciate that because I think a lot of people who
13:44are just
13:45meeting you for the first time or have heard about you are probably thinking oh Cliff's got this in the
13:49bag like he knows exactly what he's talking about and the fact that you came into this career with
13:54right with no idea that you were sitting on a gold mine that I think that this is a good
14:01conversation to have had so I appreciate you for even sharing that and is that why you started cash
14:06flow conversations so that you can have more like in-depth conversations with people without having
14:11like a meeting set up really a question so a lot of my one-on-one client meetings look very
14:17similar
14:18to the interviews that I'm having on cash flow conversations the difference is in the past
14:24when I was working as an advisor with firms obviously I'm having confidential meetings
14:29that can't be recorded I'm doing it for the purposes of just helping you plan your finances
14:34right well I'm having very similar conversations now it's just I'm independent I can do what I want
14:40and we can do it on camera and put it out to the public but I also get to share
14:44the stories
14:45and highlight some really successful investors entrepreneurs and business owners in the midst of
14:50these conversations and let other people hear their story and give them the spotlight as well
14:55but absolutely I mean the conversations that we're having they're the same and it's funny you say that
15:00because I remember like the second or third interview we did one of the gentlemen I interviewed he was like
15:05he was like wow he's like you did a really good job man like you knocked it out the park
15:09and it was funny
15:10to me because in his mind he's like oh this kid is starting a new podcast it might be a
15:14little rough
15:14but it's like I've done this thousands and thousands of times I've had these conversations
15:21with thousands of families nationwide the only difference is I have it recorded and we're going
15:27to put it out publicly right but the conversations the questions that I'm asking and what I'm uncovering
15:32and my listening skills have been developed over all these years by helping thousands of families
15:38unpack their financial situation and help them improve upon it but you know having those conversations
15:43on capital conversations it's been amazing it's been a wonderful for networking and again
15:47educating people and sharing stories of some really dope people so I'm excited for that to keep going
15:52on this show oh we haven't even got started yet we got we got a lot more in the tank
15:56I know that's
15:57right yeah speaking of networking like we not going to talk about the biggest deal that brought me to
16:01you was networking at night Detroit let's talk about how that kind of coincides with this story
16:08because I mean you talked about the fact that you're wanting to impact people and I know for a fact
16:13that you were doing it with that so can you tell me how that came to be yeah and I
16:17won't give you
16:17the short answer either I'll unpack so what a lot of people don't know is that when I was in
16:24high
16:25school my dad actually was like forced into an early retirement right and just like you talked
16:31about Detroit has a hustle culture we refuse to just lay down and get beat up and let things happen
16:36yeah so my dad used to always tell me tales about how in the 80s him and his friends would
16:41put
16:41together these cabarets everybody would come out dressed all nice and looking good and they had
16:46the vibe you know parents tell us stories about what happened before we're born and we're always
16:50like whatever you weren't that cool right okay I'll give it to my dad maybe he was kind of cool
16:54right so
16:55fast forward when I get to college he gets the band back together right so because he's no longer
17:02hustling bustle nine to five every day he's like we're gonna make some stuff shake but we're gonna get
17:07back to what we know so he reassembled his crew of guys who dj and take pictures and host and
17:14they
17:14started putting on parties they would do a new year's eve party they would do a party called the
17:19shades of blue every summer in july they would do a halloween party sometimes they would do a mother's
17:25day brunch but they also did ballroom dance classes every single friday and they will rent out a hall have
17:34a
17:34dj take pictures charge ten dollars at the door there will be food available and I got to witness
17:39my dad I'm 18 19 years old I'm going to Saginaw Valley at the time but when I would be
17:43home for
17:44the weekends or home during the summer I would be with them and I will witness my dad not only
17:49fill
17:49the room but I will witness him greet people at the door I will witness his hospitality his respect
17:56and I watched him gracefully move through a community of people and give them a good reason
18:02to go out the house on a friday evening have a good time meet great people be safe and come
18:09back
18:10right and at that time I did not realize what I was learning like I said earlier a lot of
18:16stuff we do
18:16now is based on observation of our parents whether we realize it or not at the time I didn't realize
18:21I
18:21was being groomed to be the hostess with the muscles right I'm just going to this thing my dad's putting
18:27together because I have nothing else to do I'm not even old enough to go out to the bar on
18:30my own at this
18:31time right so I'm just kicking it with my parents and then sometimes he would put me to work go
18:35work
18:36the door collect some money go over there to the to the kitchen and you know help them get this
18:40together collect the money pass out raffle tickets right or go dance with some of those ladies because
18:44there's not enough men in here right so I'm 18 19 years old ballroom dancing with ladies that are like
18:4965 and they're just like oh my goodness right just in awe but what I was witnessing again was
18:54community connection camaraderie so I never lost that right and so I've always had an itch for
19:01hospitality and I like hosting people having people over at our house even if it was for a backyard barbecue
19:06or playing basketball in our backyard I always had that right so fast forward I get to Saginaw Valley
19:12and I am the marketing director for our black student union on campus come on now right so
19:19what I'm doing now again is stuff that has been 10 plus years in the making yeah and so in
19:25my role
19:25as a marketing coordinator what was I doing I was running our social media pages I was designing our
19:32t-shirts I was making flyers and I was bringing the black students on campus out to events that were
19:38centered around promoting our education and building community because we made up less than
19:42five percent of the student population there that was in 2014 15 16 that I'm doing these things
19:49so fast forward I get into financial advising now I always wanted to host events in order to
19:56attract new clients to my firm and it wasn't really working out so well with some of the
20:01companies that I worked at it was a lot of friction but I never lost sight of that and then
20:05it finally started clicking making sense to host a reoccurring event series which was
20:10the last Friday of every month which is how it started and that was in spring of 24 so almost
20:16two years now and it started a small invite only things people were being invited to our office
20:21and then I had a grand idea leading right up to my 30th birthday this was in December of 24
20:27I'm like
20:28let me combine networking at night with a birthday celebration and so more people came out to that one
20:35and then I'm like let me make a social media page let me get videographers involved let me get a
20:39DJ
20:40and things just started expanding work caught on I mean word of mouth is powerful right and so I
20:45already had a vast network of clients and professionals that I knew from helping them with
20:50financial planning so those were the people that I invited out because I wanted them to meet each other
20:54right and so word just spread from there they started inviting more and more people next thing you
20:59know it's a phenomenon that the city's loving and people from Toronto are coming over because they
21:04saw it on the internet people are catching flights home from places like Dallas and California and
21:09Atlanta just to come out to the event so it's been massive but um that that is the roundabout journey
21:16and the background context that most people don't know is that I've been witnessing my dad do these
21:21things since I was 18 19 years old and then in college I was doing the same thing creating the
21:26same
21:26atmosphere on campus and now I'm just repeating that as an adult in Detroit with people of all
21:32different industries so that's that's the short version right right first and foremost shout out to
21:37dad yeah for putting that bug in your ear getting you into what he was doing because I feel like
21:44as a kid
21:44you were probably like dad I don't want to be here I want to be with my friends like I
21:48don't want to
21:48dance with these ladies like what are they going to do for me but slowly but surely each time that
21:53you
21:53did that you were you were building this idea and building what you've created now and the fact
21:58that you have people flying back here to make it happen and the whole entire thesis of who you are
22:05is to make an impact so how does it feel to like be sitting in the impact that you're making
22:09right now
22:10it's surreal because a lot of times I'm always focused on the next one yeah right because we've done
22:15over 30 events in 24 consecutive months so as you can imagine my brain is like okay this one's done
22:20sleep overnight the next day it's like okay let me thank everybody who came out last night let me
22:25prepare this for the next one so it's a constant non-stop you know working working to make sure
22:30that I can continue to provide a wonderful experience and elevate it every single time but
22:35it's really surreal it doesn't it doesn't surprise me because I always knew for in one shape in one way
22:41shape or form that I will be doing something to impact our community at large so this is the type
22:46of
22:46thing that I expected to be doing at this age but it's a really surreal feeling when like just
22:51yesterday shout out to Chief James Harris of the Detroit Fire Department I was having lunch with
22:56him yesterday at Central Kitchen and a guy that I worked with at my first job at Enterprise Rent-A
23:02-Car
23:02who's one of my managers he walks in and sees me and he comes over he's like man let's get
23:07to see you
23:08man I'm so proud of you congratulations on everything you got going on every time I look up
23:12you know you're just killing it and Chief Harris is sitting there he's just like smiling ear to ear
23:16he's like man I love it man he's like I'm so happy for you and it's just crazy to you
23:21know see people
23:21who again they knew me before these particular events started and you know I bump into them and
23:28they have nothing but gratitude to express but I think the most monumental moments for me is when I'm
23:35out and about and I meet people who are my parents age who are like you do that network and
23:41stuff
23:41right like oh I see you and I'm like okay so it's not just a young professional it's not limited
23:46to
23:47people who are in their 30s there are people in their 50s and 60s who know and recognize the work
23:52that we're doing and that's when it really hits home for me the most I love that for you I
23:57just feel
23:57like especially having your your parents age say it to you where it's like okay I'm doing something
24:04here and I want to highlight that success is not linear because we don't want to give people the
24:11the expectation that you know you just did it and it was instantaneous there's obviously slow moments
24:17down moments and success so how do you reframe your thinking when success may feel a little slower for
24:24you that's a good question a lot of what people don't know like I said the first events that we
24:31did
24:31were invite only we had a couple events that before we you know got to the Godfrey and started
24:38getting on social media we had a couple events that were in certain locations downtown and there
24:43were like huge concerts and stuff going on that day and road closures and it's like eight of us
24:49and we're just like man what's happening right it's like people couldn't make it they got jammed up
24:54and it looked very light right but I think me understanding what the long-term vision was of
25:02always holding myself as a resource to people and being there to educate and have an impact it just
25:08kept me going no matter what right so I think it's important for anybody listening who's looking for
25:13motivation or they're in that slow moment or that slow period is you got to realize like what was the
25:19original intention behind this anyway and if the original intention was bigger than yourself then
25:25it should keep you going because if it was about my ego or my mental health or my patience or
25:31uh me
25:33getting my time back I would have been hung up the towel I would have been through the towel
25:36right because it's been a lot of pressure uh basically all on my shoulders yeah right and I'm not
25:43saying that to brag or I'm not you know I'm not happy about that right I wish there were like
25:47a bigger team or a ton of investors but it's not right a lot of this stuff right now self
25:51-funded out
25:52of pocket you know all on my own hustle and grind but in those moments where it's the hardest again
25:58who am I doing it for it's for the people it's bigger than me so that's how I stay grounded
26:04in the
26:04moments where it's like man it would be easy to just say man forget this I'm about to figure out
26:10something else or just throw the towel in and then those moments you know where I go out and
26:13somebody sees me and they're like keep going I'm like okay I got you I will I love that and
26:20I think
26:20it's very poignant to remember like to keep that why especially in a ever-changing landscape yeah it's
26:27always necessary to remember why you did it and to know that it's not about you like you are the
26:32the driver of course the instigator of it but it's so much bigger than you are absolutely and if you
26:37are
26:38just keeping it insular it will stay insular I have so many other questions but we we don't have much
26:43time so I want to do a little lightning round with you okay are you ready absolutely I think so
26:48okay networking event or one-on-one meeting networking event okay early mornings or late night early
26:56mornings okay Detroit the best Detroit place to talk business I like Central Kitchen I just went to
27:04Central Kitchen recently num num num num yeah love them okay when it comes to Detroit hustle culture
27:10blessing or curse blessing okay like it first place first thing that people should fix financially
27:18their mindset and then one word that describes Detroit entrepreneurs
27:26relentless I like that I like that and speaking of relentless we are obviously doing this entire series
27:33to highlight people who may not get the recognition that they deserve I mean you have an incredible
27:40platform and I was like yeah no I absolutely want to talk to him and figure out where he came
27:45from and
27:45why this is a big deal to him and how he's created a lane that has had so many people
27:51not only became
27:52their own versions of culture shifters but you are one yourself so who are some people if one or a
27:58few
27:58that you would like to nominate as a Detroit culture shifter today for sure I will be remiss if I
28:03did not
28:03mention my brother Dr. Keon Clinton of 1% better so he's been doing some phenomenal things him and I
28:09have
28:10collaborated on a number of things and got a lot more stuff coming up our sleeve but he's somebody
28:14that before I started embracing social media and like really showing my face I've always been in tune with
28:22his content and his impact and his events so he's doing some really wonderful work all around the country so
28:27definitely would say Dr. Keon Clinton should be considered for a culture shifters feature also
28:33my brother Jordan Smith owner of just Elevated Fitness Club so he owns a gym I just yeah saw him
28:40on my timeline that's so crazy yeah I'm sorry yep so him and I again have partnered on some things
28:44we
28:44have Friday Night Lifts which is a concept where we're blending workout classes with the networking
28:50portion so I had always wanted yeah I'd always wanted some type of workout element included in our
28:56community membership benefits and when he reached out like look I got this concept I want to host
29:01this at my gym but I want to have a networking portion like what do you think I'm like I'm
29:05all
29:05for it so we connected the dots and that's been running for maybe about two months now but um
29:11once the spring and summer really blossoms like that's gonna that's gonna take off and tear the
29:15city by storm so had no clue oh yeah you were a part of that when I tell you I
29:20talked to my mother
29:21maybe two days ago being like no I need to be at this yeah because one I love fitness two
29:27you're
29:28going there with the idea of also meeting people and as someone who is still a transplant of the city
29:34I feel like I've ingrained myself a little bit by now but as someone who is coming from outside the
29:40city I'm always looking for experiences that I can bring to people who are like me who are coming to
29:45Detroit and don't necessarily know where to go I felt like okay one you're getting a benefit out of you
29:50know learning how to keep yourself fit and you know talking to people but it's also a way to
29:55meet different people at a common ground so shout out to you and Jordan come on now yeah that's crazy
30:01yeah it's a wonderful collaboration I love that I love what you guys are doing are there any other
30:06things that we should be looking out for absolutely I mean we have some upcoming events so
30:12I'll shout out two dates uh April 24th okay right look forward to a mixer that day and then also
30:19may 30th we've got something super special to start to summer out with that's going to be a
30:24massive collaboration I won't name drop the two partners in that collab right now but just know
30:29that when we announce this there's only going to be one place in the city to be that night and
30:34it's
30:34going to be with us and our and our partners for that event that's going to be amazing but uh
30:38what
30:38I'll also mention obviously people can always tune in to networking at night det.com to see more
30:45about our upcoming events and also check out our community platform and enroll and become a member
30:50if they want to general membership is just 48 a month and it gives people free access to the events
30:55that we do plus a ton of other perks stock market invest in master classes that are virtual uh discounts
31:01to the friday night lifts and a ton of different events so it's a lot of impact involved with that
31:07community membership program but other than that yeah I mean our instagram as well as networking at night
31:12det so just tap into those places to stay in the loop I love that for 48 dollars as long
31:17as you
31:17don't you know go out for a meal one day a month you know that's your whole entire yeah just
31:24month
31:24right there I know that's right yeah hold on I'm gonna have to do that later remind everybody of the
31:28social medias one last time in case they didn't hear you absolutely so my personal page is cliff
31:33roach on instagram that's c-l-i-f-t-r-o-a-c-h and then our networking at night
31:39event page is
31:40networking at night d-e-t and that's on instagram and tiktok for both of those my personal and
31:46the event page and then I also shout out our podcast page which is on instagram and tiktok
31:51it's cashflow underscore conversations I appreciate you so much cliff for being here
31:56and congratulations for pushing the culture in the right way thank you I appreciate it
32:00thank you
32:05you
32:05you
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