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00:00all right what up though it's big homie kimbrough for another segment of convos with kimbrough
00:06i have the pleasure to be introducing a friend of the show i discovered his music
00:11nappy devy what's up bro what up though what up what up what up what's going on with you
00:17uh not much man life bills art okay uh new puppies and um yeah man not yeah man but other
00:28than that
00:29bro just you know been in a really creative space i'm just doing a lot right now but yeah man
00:34i
00:34appreciate you having me for sure for sure now for our listeners describe you know who you are
00:41for people to have never probably heard of you before um my name is nappy devy i'm from the east
00:46side of detroit um seven mile to be exact if you uh grew up um a little like grass shirt
00:53seven mile
00:55area um been writing music since i was like i want to say 13 but i started writing poetry first
01:01when i was 11. um hip-hop r&b head uh love rock music too great performer um been doing
01:09it for
01:09a long time i really kind of just an underground artist just making his way through the uh you
01:13know through the nooks and crannies through the cracks of it uh you know uh 29 virgo
01:21i don't know okay that's debbie no let's get into you so um i've i've done my research on you
01:30and
01:30stuff like that now one of the main things um that stood out to me was that you've been pretty
01:35open
01:36about being homeless in high school and while starting your music career at 15 yeah how did those
01:42early struggles uh shape the pain that listeners hear in your music um so
01:52like i grew up in poverty you know uh my parents were very poor i hate to say that but
01:58it's you
01:59know it's a common thing especially coming from detroit um music was like my outlet to like escape
02:04and to express um when i was like younger uh one of my teachers uh informed me like hey why
02:10don't
02:10you write poetry you're a good writer um you don't listen in class so do something to to really you
02:16know put your mind to something to put your mind to and i started writing poems when i was like
02:2011
02:20years old uh and uh later on as i got like a little older mature um my stepdad at the
02:28time he was oh you
02:29write poetry uh let's check out this white boy and he gave me the marshall mathers lp i was like
02:3513
02:36and um and he should have never gave me that like album to begin with because that's insane bro like
02:43i'm listening to i'm gonna kill you you don't want to with me and i'm like oh my god yeah
02:47i'd say that's
02:48a lot to give yeah yeah preteen as a teenager right but but it did like kind of like inspire
02:54like um was
02:56like the kickstarter of you know me actually writing my own songs and beginning the process of
03:02like oh my artist's journey and figure out who i am as a writer but what i want to say
03:06what i want
03:07to deliver um as i mentioned that it was a form of escapism for me like it was like uh
03:12my way of
03:15you know figuring it out through daily living rather it be just me catching the bus listening to music
03:22rather be just me freestyling my friends at the you know the uh the lunch table and i now i'm
03:30here
03:31and i'm just like oh cool like it's been a cool journey so that's dope yeah that's dope so being
03:37from the east side you know it clearly is central to your identity yeah how does that specific energy
03:45of the 313 you know influence you um it's so funny you said that because i just moved west so
03:52now i'm
03:53like looking at two different worlds i mean it's still detroit but i see the difference from the west
03:57side to the east side like the east we're more like i love us to death but we're more chaotic
04:05we're a little more wrenchy talk our issue you know what i'm saying gonna be uh all you know face
04:11with it but we definitely get the job done we're hustlers um but i will say about the west it's
04:15a more
04:16mature crowd i i typically see a lot of older people on the west side or people who are trying
04:23to go into their business bag you know because as you know living noise that whole street is nothing
04:29full of black businesses black success and i would love to see out in the east um but really growing
04:34up on the east it kind of just you you grow a tough skin you start to catch on to
04:39like uh the things
04:41that you know your cousins or you know neighbors uh were adapted to and like basically capping like
04:47old people joking and going back and forth the banters um it it helped you know formulate who i am
04:56um even as a writer like my experiences on the east man has like i think nobody can't step to
05:05me
05:05because i'm an outsider bro i don't know but like bro like no no disrespect to the west at all
05:11i love the
05:11west i love detroit in general but bro this the east in me bro it made me who i am
05:15like as a rapper
05:17as an artist but as you know debbie so right so now you've spoken about finding yourself you know
05:25through music and meditation and african spirituality after cutting your hair in 2021 yeah man and so how
05:33has this spiritual shift influenced the sound um i guess the newer sound i would say the spiritual shift
05:40is kind of like uh more confidence more uh uh let me say more foundation understanding what it is that
05:52i'm trying to say as a person uh naturally being myself of course but um i think going into like
05:59i
05:59cut my locks because um i don't know if you're going to enter into this from seeing posts and stuff
06:04but i
06:04lost my brother so um i appreciate it um i cut my locks because um he had dreadlocks and i
06:12didn't
06:13even grow my hair out before then like i didn't know we could have like long hair my mom was
06:17the
06:17mom who would give us the chili bow we looking up messing school bro like it was crazy but but
06:23um you
06:25know when i saw my brother went to prison for like three years i saw him get out of prison
06:29and he had
06:30locks and i was like bro what are you he like yeah i grew them before i got in and
06:32i was like bro what
06:33so i started growing my hair like inspired by him um and then when he passed away it was just
06:38kind of
06:38like a refresher like i just needed a fresh start to i guess kind of like um get all that
06:45negative
06:46energy out of my system yeah um and uh since then like a lot has changed like a lot of
06:52great things
06:52since i cut my locks um and you know kudos anybody on a lock journey you know keep going um
06:57i know for me it
06:58was a uh i was going through a lot with dread so i i had to restart i had to
07:04refresh and now i kind
07:05of just cut it really really low or bald on my monk type ish you know what i'm saying okay
07:11so that's
07:11that's the type of vibe i'm on you know i mean i feel that now let's get into the music
07:15now we're
07:16going to start current and we're going to start like working our way back because again you've been
07:20doing this for a minute yeah so your most recent work um includes your ep debbie yes now this has
07:28three eyes yes on the end yeah and it features some explosive tracks that i've heard now how
07:36do you explore you know your writing style for this for debbie in general that project yeah
07:47exploring my writing style so debbie was a personal piece um it was like the gap from uh once again
07:55losing
07:56my brother to i guess like late last year because i dropped it december 5th my mom's birthday is
08:01december 3rd so i dropped it like close to her birthday excuse me um and i wanted to like showcase
08:07my brother's uh lifestyle and mine um uh and when it came to this project itself i guess i was
08:16trying
08:16to explain my absence like grief and um processing that even if not going too directly into it because
08:22i'm still planning to do certain things later in the future okay i was trying to help people
08:26understand like okay this is
08:31these two worlds these two young men like basically like um boondocks great people okay love boondocks
08:38uh riley huey my brother was basically like riley the knucklehead street mentality
08:46the really heavy into game culture and i was huey the pro black trying to save the world
08:52you know and i was just trying to bring those two worlds together and that's what was debbie
08:57um i called it debbie because before i dropped the ep called nappy with three eyes right and debbie
09:03was like the continuation of that in the midst of it i dropped a project um that i probably got
09:08a
09:08couple videos out there the music videos out there called uh it was called 13 i had new cape
09:13and uh buffoonery as the elite singles but that i'm dealing with something right now when it comes
09:20to streaming but debbie itself man i i guess i was just trying to really be a little more vulnerable
09:27but also showcase my different uh skills like the first song is a little slower the second one is a
09:33little like the beat is crazy uh plan b produced by wyandotte shout out to wyandotte um uh aka nicholas
09:40mccoral um i was just trying to showcase like the hip-hop boom bad vibes like everybody needed
09:47playing in here and money problems was the issues that we all deal with on the day to day
09:51um as a writer i guess i just want people to understand that um we all deal with the same
09:57things and i'm just trying to be relatable right but come from my own different perspective you know
10:02i'm saying and i just with debbie i just wanted to showcase who i am um my different uh versatile
10:09ways of you know uh expressing my artistry and just have fun with it so i feel that yeah because
10:16one of the standout tracks for me from that project was uh like i said i went through all all
10:20your stuff
10:21um your music is pretty dope thank you very dope and it's very catchy and i relate to a lot
10:27of songs
10:28i really appreciate it i really like lord of the flies oh man that's one of my favorite songs too
10:33a lot of you like lord of the flies lord flies is actually very good can we just talk just
10:39a little
10:40bit about that song like the inspiration the beat all that so initially uh lord of the flies was like
10:49two tracks like i wrote the first segment of it like the first verse and the hook um different from
10:55the rap verse the second verse yeah those are like two different pieces like even the little bridge
11:00at the beginning uh before the hook i'm sorry and um it i wrote them separately like and i think
11:08lord
11:08of the flies um it's a movie called lord of flies right but also a book i read the book
11:13in high school
11:14my teacher introduced me in like 12th grade i think it was 12th or whatever grade and um i read
11:20it and it
11:21it was about kids being savages kids from the uk um they got into a plane crash i think it
11:27was world
11:27war one or world war ii i don't really remember around these times and the plane landed on a deserted
11:33island and now kids are um going back into savagery they started off trying to have like this rule
11:41sense uh you know like basically how society is now try to have structure and balance and rules but you
11:49know the other kids who are like the stubborn ones or mainly would technically be the bullies
11:53they were the ones that became more savages and but also they were the hunters they were the one
11:59that would go get the the the boars or or whatever not boars i'm sorry but you know the uh
12:04anything
12:04they could find they were bringing back to the other kids and stuff but that turned them into savages
12:08that turned them into like back to caveman times because they've been on this island for so long
12:13right and uh i guess lord of the flies was me kind of saying that's how detroit is like
12:18we um we're detroit when you come in this space you feel the atmosphere of like hustle you feel the
12:25atmosphere of everybody's trying to go get everybody trying to make something of themselves
12:28but also struggle too uh understanding that um the the person next to you might be striving to to
12:35pay their bills you know i'm saying might be working hard to do that right um and they got to
12:40go get it some way how unfortunately a lot of times worse than others you know for certain people
12:45but i think lord of the flies was me trying to explain that world of being savage savages and
12:55in the city of detroit um and you know i guess the second part was like it really fit as
13:01i said it
13:02was another piece to another song but it fit so well because it was me trying to go into the
13:06understanding of like i'm a part of this environment right you know what i'm saying but
13:10i'm getting through it my best way without you know get going into the lane of becoming a savage or
13:18becoming more um you know the dysfunctional yeah with chaos going on in the world all the time
13:29so i guess lord of flies was me just trying to be like um uh melodic but also um because
13:37i wanted
13:38to go kind of slow with i wanted to be kind of a dark feel i'm a really big fan
13:42of thriller michael
13:42jackson thriller i wanted it to sound right i wanted it to sound spooky a little bit i wanted it
13:47to be
13:47like when you hear you like oh give me shivers a little bit so i guess that's the kind of
13:51vibe i was
13:52going for and that's one thing that i love about the project because and this music in general
13:57i like music that tells a story thank you i love music that tells a story facts and i like
14:05to hear
14:05from beginning to end yes you know what i'm saying so that's one thing i like about it now you
14:11talked
14:11about debbie being very personal was there anything difficult you know when recording um like emotionally
14:21i think if uh the it's a uh a skit at the end of money problems um that's my cousin
14:29donovan like
14:29that's um shout out to donovan uh that's my cousin blood cousin um he was really close to my little
14:35brother like they were like brothers there was they were inseparable if i said that correctly uh
14:41uh you know they grew up together they're around the same age yeah and i actually got that phone call
14:45like he called me like really on some like yo i haven't talked i have you talked to darius have
14:51you talked to ace like i'm hearing something going on man like call me back bro because i need to
14:55figure out you know because me and him was the main ones that kept up with him with the family
14:59stairs was knucklehead he stayed in the streets but he who he would talk to the most was me and
15:04donovan so i had to put donovan in it and i because i know if dairy like dairy's listening he
15:12would
15:12he would love it i'm pretty sure he appreciate it yeah but um i think that was the hardest thing
15:17because every time i listen to it i can get i don't tend to every time but it can get
15:22a little
15:22emotional it can get like dang man like it's unfortunate that this happened like you know you
15:28wish it didn't but i'm able to make art out of it and that's what's amazing about it and i've
15:35also
15:35got reactions like people telling me like bro i cried i'm like whoa like so many people have told me
15:41that like yo i cried at the end of your project yeah like that's what i was saying like um
15:46i
15:46resonated with it because i seen oh i felt my past and stuff like that people that i know
15:53that are going through similar situations so it definitely resonated with me yeah so i know it
15:58resonated with a lot of other people as well i think that's the blessing though like that you can
16:03you know me speaking for me but to be able to create art and people feel it on that type
16:10of like
16:11frequency of like damn like this really made me cry like i got emotional and i knew when i heard
16:17that i knew that my job was done i'm like oh yeah yeah check check like mission complete like
16:22definitely like because i mean that wasn't the goal to but i was just really just trying to you know
16:27just express but the fact that i can hear people's emotion see them physically physically cry in front
16:33of me like uh one of my friends he was at the little uh release gig i did and he
16:39his girlfriend
16:39came up to me like yeah such and such was crying i'm not gonna say his name because i don't
16:43know
16:43for a blast but she was like yeah he was crying and then he was like yeah man that was
16:47emotional he
16:47came up to me crying i'm like oh that's crazy but it was so cool it was so cool that
16:52um um to get
16:54that that that that that feedback you know like because that it's always been like that with my music
16:59and i think like all people have always tell me like that spoke to me or that was very deep
17:03like
17:04i really resonated with that and um and i guess i'm just trying to get better at it you know
17:10i guess
17:10as i grow and as i mature yeah so yeah it's cool to see okay now let's get into your
17:17industry and you
17:18know future aspirations here now i've done my research again you've opened up for rap city yeah i opened
17:26up for rap city i think it was valentine's day uh me and juni shout out to juni yeah she's
17:32another
17:33fire dope artist um uh we opened up a rap city i don't remember the year because my life has
17:39passed
17:39me by and that's how i know i'm getting old bro no i think it was like 20 it was
17:45it was it was
17:46covid era it was like 2021 it was before my brother passed so uh um yeah i remember because i
17:54was
17:55smaller no my dress was tiny like tell me about that like how it was cool like it was really
18:03dope
18:03it was at the garden theater okay no was it at garden it's the one that the bowling alley and
18:08it's
18:09upstairs it's garden theater garden theater yeah okay okay it was at garden theater it was super
18:13dope we got there early um got to do like some uh uh you know sound checks and stuff like
18:19that uh the
18:20homie dose was there he uh shot a couple uh uh he shot you know filmed us and took a
18:25couple pics
18:26cool uh guy um another uh another virgo um and uh yeah yeah i met her she was cool like
18:35she was so
18:36sweet like she was dope she took a picture with us and uh and uh it was just really cool
18:41and she was
18:41like yo that was y'all i was listening i was like yo throw as hell so i don't know
18:45it was one of those
18:46experiences where i was just like man like i felt like i said i'm i'm in the same spaces as
18:53these
18:53celebrities right you know i'm in the same spaces as people who are getting nominated for grammys and
18:57right and that that was great you know i mean and now like i can like just recently i met
19:03um uh
19:05like two celebrities like i met flavor flave i met flavor flave stay here man yeah i know he's always
19:14here
19:14right yeah i met freaking cookie from uh nez to classify a nickelodeon show okay he followed me
19:19on the gram that was pretty cool and uh i'm just realizing that they're not out of reach right you
19:26know it just seemed like you know they're normal people like the rest of us definitely um some of
19:30them are down to earth some of them could be a little stuck up i haven't met anybody stuck up
19:33or
19:33anything like that but i'm just saying like i'm pretty sure they're typical people like like us um but
19:39yeah uh rap city was super dope like hopefully one day she see this and she'll give me a feature
19:44never know like i said i always i'm i'm a firm believer of what you put out as well come
19:50back
19:50to you manifestation so real thing yes sir you know she might be checking this out checking you out
19:56she might be all right now how does this go back looking back at nights um again i'm i've done
20:05my
20:05research so looking back at the nights of you spending the night on your grandma's at your
20:11grandma's house which of these achievements you have feels the most surreal that's a really good
20:18one uh from spending night to my grandma my grandma's house at my grandma's house
20:24to owning my own house right i just closed on my house january 27th i moved in the next day
20:31yes immediately like i was over i was in the apartment thank you man thank you um yeah dude
20:37like from sleeping on the pallet you feel me like with with all your cousins and now owning your own
20:44you feel me and it feels good like it's that's a major accomplishment i think i'm one of the first
20:50if not the first in my generation to own a home uh you know this doesn't stop here i plan
20:56on another
20:57one you know i plan to i want to actually get into entrepreneurship like try to own my own
21:01business too like i'm tired of these nine to vives like i feel that you know but um no i
21:06mean i like
21:07my nine to five i mean that's you know nobody to fire me i like my nine to five no
21:12shade to anybody
21:13who enjoy what they do that's not saying i don't it's just that i know i know me personally like
21:19i'm i'm a leader so i i'm really stubborn when i'm trying to listen to somebody and you got to
21:25say
21:25it to me the correct way if he's talking to me crazy or if i hear it like a slick
21:29tone i'm gonna
21:30hate you for the rest of the shift so no no no but but um yeah like um like uh
21:38i don't know like
21:39this where i am now i'm the most successful i've ever been in my life like i feel that um
21:44and that's
21:44a great thing to say like it's unfortunate my brother can't see this i had a moment at the crib
21:49where i was just like why but everything for a reason um maybe that journey was necessary for me
21:55you know that door closing yeah it was necessary for me to get where i am and to really appreciate
21:59it because he's somebody who's right there with me same palette same same couch same you know
22:06crazy television show like so it's like it's great and then now my nephew have somewhere to like
22:14like if he want to get away from his mom's or if he want to like you know just get
22:19out the house
22:20yeah you can come see his uncle you can come spend some time with his uncle so that's great
22:24yeah that's what's up also my nephew is in the virgo too so i'm sorry i gotta shout us out
22:29bro
22:29we run the world bro like my nephew is a virgo so i can't even be mad about that michael
22:36jackson
22:36kobe bryant beyonce but let me stop bro we just we just we just you know i'm sorry go ahead
22:44anyway not anyway i'm not trying to downgrade that yeah but no my nephew is a virgo so
22:48he's very moody so not moody not moody he's expressive i don't think he's moody i think he's
22:56just trying to understand you know the world and all the chaos y'all did this we didn't do this
23:02okay everybody else did this the virgo didn't do it gotcha okay he wasn't a part of the shenanigans
23:09okay now let's uh uh circle back just a little bit you had spoke about uh wyandotte yeah and you
23:16also work with uh wanderlust beats what do you look for in a producer to ensure that you capture that
23:23vibe for your lyrics production you gotta you gotta be able to tell that they love it bro like
23:31you could tell if somebody's just making a beat just because like um it's the vibe or
23:38trying to sound like everybody else keeping up with the status quo um you could tell the difference
23:43from somebody who really enjoy music yeah compared to somebody who just doing it for a check i feel
23:48that you can feel the difference like you can sonically like i guess um with wyandotte i've known
23:53wyandotte for years i've known wyandotte so i was like 17 18 okay and um great producer great rapper
24:01too great uh writer overall but um man his uh his production like the thing about dot is dot like
24:10to
24:10tell a story as well he's a very story uh driven person so with his production um you can tell
24:18like
24:18he he he when he goes into like creating because i don't i don't i don't know it i don't
24:23know it
24:23i don't know if he's hitting buttons on the keyboard or something i don't know but um when he goes
24:28into
24:28creating you can tell you actually put some effort into it you can tell he actually sits and uh knows
24:33what he wants to deliver a lot of his stuff has vulnerability attached to it rather it be at high
24:37frequency b rather it be something more slow monotone it's it has like a oh like uh i can feel
24:46this
24:46and shout speaking of that i don't know if you want to ask this question but i did want to
24:51say
24:51something no okay speaking of that dot mainly yeah dot mainly uh dot mainly recorded uh i'm not
24:58recording i'm sorry dot produced it produced every this next body of work i'm about to do okay majority
25:04of the song i think like probably once all wind up and i did i did that because bro deserve
25:10his
25:11flowers bro when i heard for a minute bro got his name in certain spaces and he stayed
25:16like in the background so i feel like yeah i kind of wanted to um also because we the homie
25:22he the
25:22homie i i i just want to show people like yeah bro this this guy is crazy like madness um
25:28but it
25:29because it's great so i just i had to i had to yeah now if there was one thing you
25:35could change
25:36with the current state the way the music industry views or i should say support independent artists
25:44right what would it be these contracts bro these contracts are crazy like
25:52gratefully you know thank the universe that i haven't had something wild come across me but
25:59i've heard you know about what's been going on in the industry for years decades um
26:08them controlling everything you do or having such a huge percentage of your work that's insane like
26:14you wasn't with me shooting in the gym like why would i why would i give you so much and
26:20i just think
26:21overall the industry the industry needs to do better when it comes to taking care of these artists
26:30and it's in a way that is comfortable but also uh sustainable like um we understand that there's
26:38going to be crazy fans and paparazzi and all this other stuff happening because that's just everywhere
26:42we go that's not just in music that's everywhere this is politics right everywhere so um i just think
26:51the way the way they treat their artists man they don't treat them they treat them like a tool like
26:59you know like a a hammer and a screwdriver something to use for the moment and then once it's all
27:03done
27:03just throw it back or put it back in the case in the toolbox yeah exactly so and there these
27:08are people
27:08these are people who are giving their lives to um become a public figure to become um a household name
27:16an idol tell someone else um that takes a lot of people that can be draining that can be uh
27:22exhausting
27:22that can be frustrating so um they need to give us free health care free
27:29we need it all bro vision you know i see you can see the spectacles i need everything
27:37now let's get into um one of the songs that actually had me have you come on
27:45five on two oh yeah gotta talk about five on two and we're gonna be playing that a little bit
27:51later
27:51on yeah after an interview so five on two has a distinctive energy yeah compared to all your
28:00other tracks now i understand that five on two did was like one of your earlier works yeah compared
28:05to your devie ep yeah but what was the specific mood or event that triggered the writing of that
28:12when it was crazy i was working at uh a factory i'm not going to say the company because i
28:18want to
28:18get sued i was working a big company too um and i was working there in the warehouse and um
28:25i remember
28:26it very clear as day because uh um i was stressed out like i was i was dealing with bills
28:35i think i was
28:36staying in roseville at this time uh having like a little apartment out there and i think that was my
28:40first apartment too shout out to my little that little that the young debbie that made it this
28:45far um no i was uh just i think i just was dealing with funds and bills and process and
28:53stuff and i
28:54was at work and i i i heard the beat and i was like yo this is crazy yeah and
29:01this when i first started
29:02my locks like i didn't have long locks on this time um and i was like the first thing that
29:08came to
29:08mind was my hair too nappy i need a retwist right and i knew then oh yeah this is like
29:15it because
29:15nappy debbie or whatever but i knew that i can go into an avenue of like express like the black
29:23experience but not necessarily it doesn't you know color isn't always attached to it but it was kind
29:28of like yo the urban experience the like dealing with poverty and all this stuff like dog all i got
29:34i was putting on pump too like that's all i got like hopefully i can make it to work and
29:40get back
29:41home so it's like and bro i remember writing it that's in this this economy right now and it's so
29:48crazy like how that song still is for the times you know what i'm saying how that song probably would
29:53live on forever um and i remember writing it at work like i was i wasn't i was supposed to
30:01be
30:01working but i stopped and i just was like and on my phone like i was just jotting down i'm
30:06like
30:09so so i just kept doing that i kept um finding new uh like bars thinking of new stuff new
30:16material
30:16and i would like roam around the warehouse and then i think of something else and i go into hiding
30:22again
30:22i'm like oh yeah yeah until i found the whole song i think i probably wrote it probably like an
30:27hour
30:27okay yeah like the rap verse um i probably was on break around that time okay i wrote that while
30:33i
30:34was at work yeah that's why it's in the song f these jobs f the last one too i swear
30:39so
30:41so man like it it was such a weird time not not in a negative way it was more so
30:46kind of like um
30:48uh i was just growing up i was early like 20s like 24 25 right uh and i just wanted
30:56to say something
30:57that everyone would be like yeah bro like i've been there like throw five dollars on the pump whatever
31:03and um and it came through really well like it was perceived very well like uh the producer loved
31:10it he reposted it was like yo this is crazy so i don't know like i i i wanted to
31:16be expressive
31:17but i also wanted to be vulnerable and i also wanted to showcase because i was singy rappy in there
31:24so i wanted to showcase my my skills of like uh my melodies and my vibes so i just was
31:30trying to
31:32create an earworm for people to go back to and be like play that five on two but no no
31:36for i had
31:37to run it back at least like three times so definitely now that's why i'm saying like the
31:42production the beat of it is very particular now how involved were you in with the whole production
31:49process no i didn't have anything doing nothing at all nothing though i just heard it i just heard
31:55it paid for and i was like okay cool it's crazy because the production just like syncs up with
32:02your lyrics yeah so crazy that's why i asked like you know how involved were you with the production
32:08because it just flows what's wild typically i never be involved with production i don't want
32:14ever like if it's a live gig like wait like uh uh you know uh musicians and stuff like that
32:21okay
32:21then yeah i'll kind of tweak something or be like i like how that sound or do this when it's
32:26live but
32:26when it comes to actual people like producers and doing their own thing i'll let them do their own
32:31thing like because that's not my avenue like um yeah if i'm in that space with them um then there's
32:37a
32:38possibility i could probably i hear this do that yeah but more than likely i i people go in their
32:43dungeon i go
32:43with mine and then when we uh collide and excuse me we create magic that's not it now i'm sorry
32:51not
32:51gonna cut you off no no no i was i was gonna say because this is a segment uh because
32:56we were talking
32:56about 502 yeah uh shout out to my brother trey he was in the video he was in the music
33:00video uh my
33:02brother trey from high school i have to shout him i can't forget trey shout out one too but shine
33:07all
33:07the way one all the way on the west coast so he ain't he ain't in detroit no more but
33:12we still love you
33:12want he's still detroit even if you're not here he's semi-detroit everybody from detroit he don't
33:18love us no more he don't love us no more bro you can never leave the city bro no i'm
33:22playing i'm
33:22joking i'm joking no because if i get the chance i'll probably be going to but no shout out to
33:28my
33:28brother country um have to um he was in the music video um shout out to ryan he did the
33:36video ryan
33:36has done my videos ryan detroit he's done my videos ryan detroit yeah yeah he's done my videos
33:41for years now and you know what's crazy about ryan i met ryan at a uh at a um event
33:48it was like a like
33:49a little underground thing i did with underground detroit shout out to them um and that was there
33:53ryan was literally like um his friend was there performing and uh after my set he was like yo he
34:00literally came up to me no bull and was like yo why didn't you do her saw his regrets i
34:04was like what
34:05i didn't never met this man we never don't know this man from a can of paint he's like yeah
34:10man
34:10that's my song bro i listen to that song all the time i saw your name on the flyer i
34:14was like yo
34:15i'm gonna have to come check him out and since then he's like yeah man i do photography follow me
34:19on the
34:19ground since then bro we've been locked in and i was like 20 early 20 before rap city before any
34:26of
34:26that really yeah he literally came up to me on some like bro i support you you dope um i'm
34:30just now i
34:31thinking he was he'd been a photographer but i think he was just tapping into music videos and
34:36stuff okay and like we've been locked in since then like ryan the homie that's that's right there
34:41um trey i think trey was off that day and we just planned it out i was like bro what
34:47you doing he
34:48like nothing i'm like bro come drive us my car for this music video like you're trying to be this
34:52music video with me and it was like classic we didn't even do anything like we didn't plan
34:56anything which is like fluent like we just because trey been my friend for 10 plus years so it's
35:02like it was just natural we were just naturally being ourselves okay as i was singing the song so
35:07okay yeah now you were talking about um you know performing live yeah now how does the crowd's energy
35:14change when you perform songs like five on two with that more melodic tone to tracks like namaste
35:22or left or left on red oh i never performed reps on red you never performed left on red live
35:27i don't
35:28know why that's another that's another fire track i like too personally i mean honestly it's not my
35:34song like i'm a feature but it came from the idea was from me the whole left on red uh
35:40the hook
35:42no disrespect to the artist on that track yeah i really thought it was your song and they were featured
35:50no when you were a track no i mean well initially i am the one who came up with the
35:56idea okay or the
35:57hook or like how the hook goes i got left on red by a bat that was like a freestyle
36:02thing and the homie
36:03uh hugo he was like yo can i use that and i was like sure yeah and i just i
36:08just put a verse to it
36:09and they threw me at the beginning but it wasn't my song nice initially like i just i gave him
36:13like
36:13you know i gave him a free hook or whatever okay very helpful guy for the free for the free
36:19very
36:20helpful guy you see how much i care about you are you're very humble very humble and i appreciate you
36:24stopping by now we're going to get into five on two but i have like a few rapid fire questions
36:30rapid
36:31fire crazy yeah you know what i'm saying so that way listeners can get to know you just a little
36:35bit
36:35more all right now if you weren't a musician what career path would do you think you would have taken
36:44if i wasn't a musician yeah or artist i should say that artist yeah i don't want to be that
36:51person but
36:54if i wasn't a musician i would i don't want to do anything corporate
37:04um that's a tough question i've never asked myself that question yeah um if i wasn't a musician
37:12i would want to go into business like trying to own my own business for sure okay um uh
37:19i like art in general like i probably would have gone into like i probably would have took
37:23drawing and painting more seriously um i know art is really tough to get into basically if you don't
37:29have like if you don't get up and work and network it's hard right but um hmm i'm a tall
37:38guy but i
37:38don't want to play basketball like i don't want to be up there sweating bro like nah man um i
37:45don't know
37:45that's a really good question it's a really good question it probably would have been something
37:49involved in like astrology really really big on planets okay um very uh like i had the opportunity
37:57to work with like nasa or something and regardless of any controversy dealing with that but with them
38:04they ain't gonna do with me but i like astrology i love planets uh biology really really big animal
38:09here i got three at home um like a scientist yeah yeah something with science um um i dig it
38:19i would love to travel the world if i had like a job that allowed me to travel
38:23mm-hmm that would be amazing something i can just do uh on my computer and i can just travel
38:29the world oh i have to travel for work that that that's something i want to do like car crime
38:33in san
38:34diego man what like like bro and or like a i always wanted to be a it's funny to say
38:40this i always
38:40want to be like a tv host or like one of those people who'll be like doing interviews for mtv
38:46or to make my job i'm sorry no no no no for real are we will
38:55i always wanted to be the person talking to people like um and just being like oh yeah or something
39:01in
39:01fashion like i don't know like i like to dress up all over the place but i like it though
39:05i am very
39:05all over the place but it's good though very although you have to have one thing that i always
39:12tell people and i and i've told myself this when i first started working here but all the way back
39:17in 2019 you have to have your hands in multiple pots you know i'm saying you have to be that
39:24person
39:26where you know hey i can go ask kimbrough he knows you know what i'm saying stuff like that and
39:31that's
39:32where you know you know kimbrough comes from never put all your eggs in one basket huh never put all
39:36your
39:36eggs in one basket it's facts it's actual and factual so that's why i say i commend you for
39:42that you know just you know want to do these different things yeah i mean it was the same
39:45for music though like yeah i initially got into music because of dance like i was like a huge michael
39:50jackson fan okay i was like a kid like five years old dancing the mic yeah i started dancing first
39:55b2k
39:56came out stumped the art i was one of them like oh doing routines in the basement with my cousins
40:01and
40:01them yeah going against the girls and stuff battling other kids on the block i was the kid my
40:05mom would call me back do the dance debbie i'm like what dance do the new dance the little soldier
40:10boy yeah that was me bro don't laugh bro you're not supposed to laugh i'm sorry this is insulting
40:14i'm just i am a guest here you are a guest i'm just i'm sorry i'm just thinking about back
40:20in my
40:21heyday yeah my mom did the same thing to me i do that dance and i don't be too shy
40:25to dance
40:27that's why i don't dance in front of people now no bro you gotta hit the dance move bro i
40:31feel like you
40:31legit you probably legit you know legit don't you a lot of old heads can jet who's an old head
40:37i'm
40:37sorry like wait don't let the grays just because i got the grays it i didn't even know it was
40:44the
40:44grace see you know what interview over it no i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry um no my feet though
40:52it started
40:52off with dancing it did it went into writing and performing because i used to do like uh performing to
41:00like uh church music and stuff i was in a divine i was in a youth group called divine purpose
41:05youth
41:05and that was like the kickstarter to becoming more confident as a performer that's what's up and i was
41:11like 14 15. okay yeah cool now another question studio essentials yeah what are three things you must
41:20have in the booth when you are creating if if three things it could be one thing is it like
41:29before i
41:30record or just in general in general liquor no i'm just i'm just joking i'm just joking i don't even
41:39drink like that yeah um but i might take a shot or two um let me see what three things
41:48that i would
41:49like to have in the studio again you don't have to be three things it can be one thing food
41:54gotta
41:54have a plate okay because i'm going to get hungry in the midst of this especially depending how long
41:59the session is okay i'm going to have food for sure uh big boy gotta eat um don't laugh uh
42:06i just started
42:09back smoking um a little tree a little marijuana maybe um i try not to smoke before i record because
42:18voice wise and not trying to have like a goofy moment you want to just get every get in and
42:22get
42:22everything done right so it might be like a later uh thing when is everything is over um and
42:30depending the day iced coffee gotta have me yeah yeah i don't do coffee love coffee yeah
42:38stunts your growth i ain't never heard that before
42:42okay and final question what is a recent purchase under under a hundred dollars that has been
42:50significant to your daily life a recent purchase under a hundred dollars yeah
42:58that's been significant to my daily life
43:03what are you paying like is this like jeopardy or something i don't know no it's rapid fire this
43:09rapid fire okay i don't you ain't got to think too hard i mean i don't want to think too
43:13hard about
43:13it but i don't want to say something stupid like a bag of chips or something you know i want
43:17to say
43:17something with some substance if a bag of chips helps you get to your day you know i might if
43:22i was
43:22hungry that day exactly no no no no no you gotta eat recent purchase on my sweater like i have
43:29like a nice cool jacket i love this jacket okay and it was like 40 bucks 50 bucks card
43:36no it's not card okay if it was card that would have been over a hundred dollars not necessarily
43:40depending on what you get i'll tell you i'll we'll talk off camera i'll tell you where you can go
43:45get you something under a hundred dollars for some card i know i know some people that know some
43:50people yeah keep you posted they know some people um but no no this sweater i love this sweater
43:54this sweater is like it's like 50 bucks it's got amazing it's fire see i wear like every fake
43:59his match is so clean and i'm like it's my steez that's what's up nappy debbie i appreciate
44:05you stopping by today man thank you so much for having me
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