Domenico Semeraro, anche conosciuto come "il nano di Termini", fu strangolato con un foulard dal suo giovane amante, Armando. Dietro quest'omicidio, che qualche anno dopo ispirerà il film "L'imbalsamatore" di Matteo Garrone, un morboso triangolo amoroso fatto di sesso, droga, ricatti e violenza. Franca Loesini esplora luci ed ombre di questa terribile vicenda di cronaca romana.
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00:00:00Listen, what did he mean to you, Mr. Aro?
00:00:05He can't tell himself.
00:00:09He was represented there for the offense.
00:00:13Was it her, was it?
00:00:57He can't tell himself.
00:01:12Domenico Semeraro, a lifeless body,
00:01:15dumped among a mountain of waste in an illegal landfill in Carcolle.
00:01:20Tightly wrapped around his neck was the blue Balenciaga scarf with which he was strangled.
00:01:26On the morning of April 26, 1990, the body was discovered.
00:01:31A few hours later, the alleged murderers were arrested.
00:01:34They are Armando Lovaglio and his girlfriend, two guys in their early twenties,
00:01:39who almost immediately confess their respective responsibilities.
00:01:43It was me, Armando admits.
00:01:45I killed a worm that will never harm anyone again.
00:01:49But from the confession of the two young people a story emerges that the newspapers immediately paint in strong colours,
00:01:55with typical Granghignolo ingredients.
00:01:57Sex, blackmail, drugs, violence.
00:02:01Within a perverse game that could only end in tragedy.
00:02:05The protagonists of this singular triangle fill the news pages of the newspapers.
00:02:11Domenico Semeraro, 44 years old, 1.30 meters tall and for this reason known as the dwarf of terms.
00:02:18Former professor of technical applications and animal taxidermist in his studio in Castro Pretorio,
00:02:24which is presented as the little shop of horrors.
00:02:28Armando Lovaglio, 16 years old, a beauty defined by Greek legend.
00:02:33For Semeraro it is a consuming passion.
00:02:35But things get complicated with the entrance of a young woman on the scene.
00:02:40From that moment on, passions and jealousies intertwine in this singular triangle until the night of tragedy.
00:03:18Thank you all.
00:03:46Thank you all.
00:04:03Thank you all.
00:04:34Thank you all.
00:04:51Armando Lovaglio, how did Domenico Semeraro meet him?
00:04:54It was '86, during the summer.
00:04:57How old was she?
00:05:0016.
00:05:00And Semeraro?
00:05:0240.
00:05:03And how did you meet him?
00:05:07I had to work because I was going to school and so I read some classified ads in the newspaper and it happened that
00:05:19read his too.
00:05:20why did he want to work?
00:05:23Because I had to buy a motorcycle and I wanted a motorcycle and so my parents wouldn't let me have one and I had
00:05:33I decided to do it myself.
00:05:36Was this bike really that important?
00:05:39It was very important.
00:05:40It's very important.
00:05:41In which newspaper was this ad?
00:05:45On the messenger.
00:05:46On the messenger?
00:05:46You remember the text of this announcement, right?
00:05:50No, I don't remember.
00:05:52Then I'll remind him.
00:05:54New faces, management company, seeks people of both sexes to join the entertainment industry.
00:06:00And sponsors ensemble rehearsals for young singers.
00:06:03For an interview and possible audition, please call the number, etc., of the Igor Taxodermist company.
00:06:10Mine was much more informal, you know, secretary, jack-of-all-trades, etc.
00:06:16He was a jack-of-all-trades, but what was his job? What was his job?
00:06:19He was a balm maker.
00:06:21Conditioner?
00:06:21Yes, animals.
00:06:23Listen, where did you meet him? Did you respond to this ad?
00:06:28In his office, home office, in short.
00:06:31Home office.
00:06:33And can you describe this house, this laboratory to me?
00:06:37The office was normal, the apartment, well, everything was custom-sized, well, he was short, so everything was custom-sized.
00:06:48Here, because then, in fact, I asked him about the apartment, but, before the apartment, basically, I'm interested in how it was
00:06:53this gentleman.
00:06:55He was short, he was...
00:06:57How low?
00:06:58Low, low.
00:06:59Low, low.
00:06:59Low how?
00:07:00Yeah, he was about five feet tall, basically.
00:07:02So it was...
00:07:04Dwarf.
00:07:05He was a dwarf.
00:07:05Yes, but no, they don't have it like the others, that is, how we are used to seeing them.
00:07:11He was a miniature man, that's all.
00:07:14But was the type of work she was supposed to do defined or not?
00:07:17Something vague?
00:07:18Yes, always yes.
00:07:20She had asked me if she was willing to travel, because there was also a laboratory in Puglia, so I accepted, asking
00:07:26to mine always.
00:07:27Well, but she was telling my parents, because she was 16, she told me, so she was a minor.
00:07:31So her parents were first of all okay with her working, right?
00:07:34Yes, I had a pretty positive impression of them too.
00:07:39Because they met.
00:07:40Yes, yes.
00:07:41How was it...
00:07:42My mother accompanied me the next day to the one I had introduced myself to.
00:07:51Nothing, they talked about work, about things in general.
00:07:55Then they found out that they had been... that they had worked in the same place, you know, so it was a bit of a hit.
00:08:04And so she welcomed him.
00:08:07All in all, he came away with a good impression, basically.
00:08:11And he was good.
00:08:12Tell me a little about your... Semeraro's embalming skills.
00:08:16He was good, he had many customers.
00:08:17He was good and then he had the characteristic...
00:08:20I mean, he had small hands, so precision work, you know, he was particularly good at it.
00:08:30He was one of the best, in short.
00:08:33But he had taught her something about the trade, he had taught her.
00:08:36Listen, why do you think Semeraro chose this profession?
00:08:40Of doing this strange, ultimately singular job.
00:08:44Basically because he preferred animals to humans.
00:08:47Because what had men done to them?
00:08:48Had they done them, Semeraro?
00:08:49No.
00:08:53Well, him being... having this kind of reality, right?
00:09:04Physical reality, you mean?
00:09:06Yes, physical reality, of course.
00:09:07He felt, not uncomfortable, but different, all right.
00:09:11And even if he didn't show it, he suffered from it, after all.
00:09:18Look, she was happy to be with this gentleman, so...
00:09:22From what I hear you say...
00:09:24Yes, it was fine, it was fine because I was 16 and I didn't know many things.
00:09:33He, on the other hand, knew everyone, he knew everything about everything, among other things.
00:09:39Even if I hadn't looked into it further, maybe it was just appearances, but anyway...
00:09:48And this thing fascinated him?
00:09:50Yes, yes.
00:09:51It was a different atmosphere.
00:09:53What does it mean?
00:09:54She tells me different, but different what?
00:09:56Different from what?
00:09:57No, different from better, different from better.
00:09:58Different from what, in relation to what, to the people she hung out with, to her boy friends, for example she hung out with
00:10:05a great friend, that's it, a friend who could tell me...
00:10:13There is also the fact that he had various experiences, even particular ones.
00:10:20What particular experiences?
00:10:21He had done some cinema, then there were a lot of magazines, because he was a professor, so I went to the newspapers because
00:10:26he was the professor of lower Italy, all the same things, so you know, some nice things too.
00:10:32In short, these things fascinated him.
00:10:36It was not normal.
00:10:37But then, she was fascinated by Semeraro, but Semeraro had also been immediately, literally enchanted by her, so much so that
00:10:46I want to read you a couple of lines from Semeraro's diary.
00:10:48A diary that basically only talks about her.
00:10:52No one like him has ever possessed so much charm and enchantment, large, bright eyes, with super long eyelashes, small lips and
00:11:00roses, a face from a mythical legend.
00:11:03But did Semeraro also tell her these flattering things, or did he just entrust them to his diary?
00:11:12No, okay, certainly not in those terms, because, well, you know, maybe when there were girls with us,
00:11:28here, he was sponsoring me here in front of them.
00:11:35Because there were girls with us, somehow.
00:11:38First of all, it happened when we were out and about, well, even with customers, then, he was a guy who had the gift of the gab.
00:11:47easy, so he could talk to girls without difficulty, like that.
00:11:58Well, it was the kind of situation he liked, so whatever.
00:12:03Why did he like this situation?
00:12:05Because he liked it, yes, he liked it, he loved beautiful figures, that's it, so he enjoyed seeing presences.
00:12:18He's handsome and so he liked him.
00:12:21Listen, continuing with this diary, Semeraro immediately after meeting you, writes down.
00:12:32So, continuing with the diary, immediately after meeting her, that is, let's say after a couple of weeks, Semeraro wrote down.
00:12:41His kindness led me to the free conviction to buy him the motorcycle he dreamed of.
00:12:49So, Semeraro, shortly after meeting her, gave her this motorcycle, just like that?
00:12:56How much did this motorcycle cost?
00:13:00It cost around 3 million.
00:13:02Do you definitely remember it?
00:13:05If I say it cost 4.5 million, maybe...
00:13:07Yes, okay, no, I had left...
00:13:10No, the motorcycle cost, yes, it cost 3 million, then oh well, we took all the possible options.
00:13:17We've reached 4.5 million.
00:13:19Listen, did your parents know about this very important gift?
00:13:23Yes, it was never a mystery, also because he had said he had to buy it for the company, so...
00:13:28Listen, Armando, you were very young, you were 16, but let's just say they didn't believe in Santa Claus anymore, well, you know.
00:13:35But she didn't think that Semeraro, giving her all these gifts, with this generosity, was having second children, right?
00:13:44Let's be clear, 4.5 million isn't peanuts, eh, not...
00:13:48Sincere.
00:13:50Well yes, if I have to say right now, in light of today, yes.
00:13:54No, in light of yesterday.
00:13:55In light of yesterday, yes, I could guess.
00:13:59Listen, speaking of truth and related to Semeraro, after a few months that this relationship began, it seems to me almost
00:14:08immediately, then you went to Ostuni.
00:14:09She told me that this fact of going, of following him, was foreseen.
00:14:13Yes, he said that at the beginning.
00:14:14Ostuni would be where he had a house.
00:14:16Yes.
00:14:17And how many days has it been in the district?
00:14:19No, that day, that time we stayed 3-4 days.
00:14:23What happened this first time? Anything special that you remember?
00:14:27I don't remember. Then there was a second time, right away, a little while ago, and you were, I think, with her...
00:14:33'there were other boys too, it appears to the others in the trial.
00:14:36Yes, then it was the holiday period, so he said, okay, you, since I studied in a place...
00:14:43Who was with you, do you remember?
00:14:45Yes, there were two of my friends from the bar, basically.
00:14:49Two friends of?
00:14:50From the bar.
00:14:50Of the bar, of the bar under the house.
00:14:52Yes, we have the neighborhood, so...
00:14:54Then there was another boy, who I read, I read, he called the mouse, but who was this?
00:14:59mouse?
00:15:00He was the one who... the one who preceded me, let's say.
00:15:04And yet he continued to be a part of the group.
00:15:07And why did you call him the mouse, excuse me?
00:15:09Because his teeth were a little protruding.
00:15:12Listen, we were talking about advertisements, you know, but the fact that Semeraro surrounded himself only with kids, didn't it seem right to you?
00:15:21a little strange?
00:15:23Well, he explained this fact very well.
00:15:26As?
00:15:26He said that through young people there was an integration between the two, in the sense that he offered his
00:15:34wisdom, his experience.
00:15:37In exchange he received spontaneity, vivacity, in short.
00:15:42But did she understand by herself that he was homosexual or did Semeraro somehow make her understand it,
00:15:51'he said?
00:15:51How was it?
00:15:53No, okay, it revealed itself little by little.
00:16:02Listen, Armando, I'd like to go back for a moment to this stay in Ostuni.
00:16:06Did something special happen during this stay, do you remember it?
00:16:10During the holidays, in short.
00:16:11During this stay in Ostuni, during this holiday, do you remember anything in particular?
00:16:18Well, there are a lot of things that happened.
00:16:23It happened that he introduced me to a girl who...
00:16:27Something else happened before, let's start with that, maybe I'm selecting her memories.
00:16:33It happened that, something a little bit disturbing, during this stay, I mean the stay where she was with other people
00:16:39Boys,
00:16:40It's so rare that he's prepared a strange, somewhat mysterious drink made with herbs mixed with Coca-Cola,
00:16:48a drink that you later called mescaline.
00:16:52Do they remember it?
00:16:53But was this mescaline a drug?
00:16:57Yes, because...
00:17:00Because I don't remember what happened that night, I mean...
00:17:05This is documented by the photographs he took with another boy he had kept lucid to keep an eye on us.
00:17:13And have you really lost track of things like that?
00:17:17Were you basically out of tune?
00:17:19Yes, they were a bit rough.
00:17:23Approximate? I like it.
00:17:24Listen, but...
00:17:26So, did you take this mescaline, let's call it that, even if you were rare, or were you the only ones who took it?
00:17:30Ninth.
00:17:31Just you guys.
00:17:31He didn't take it?
00:17:33But it was on this occasion that he had, for the first time he attempted to have intercourse
00:17:38physical with her?
00:17:39Because I have the trial papers in hand.
00:17:41She said he tried right away, the next day with her.
00:17:44Not exactly the next day, yes, a few days later, but oh well then...
00:17:51Anyway, I turned him down and he didn't continue.
00:17:55Well, then I asked that guy we mentioned before for an explanation, and he shamelessly denied everything.
00:18:02Shamelessly.
00:18:05Instead, she doesn't shamelessly deny it because she's an intelligent person.
00:18:07Then she knows that there are realities that remain, which must not cause her discomfort, because they remain limited to their moment.
00:18:15Well, then they're behind, so no...
00:18:17Listen, after this stay in Stuni, a bit of a lively stay, let's call it,
00:18:26She should have essentially terminated this working relationship, because it is a relationship that seems to me to be quite tied to the summer.
00:18:33Instead, he continued to frequent and go to Semeraro. Why?
00:18:40First of all because there were so many opportunities...
00:18:44Yes, first of all because that kind of friendly, pleasant friendship remained.
00:18:53And then because there were several opportunities to make money, in short, because there were so many ideas in my head.
00:19:04What does that mean? Explain it to me better.
00:19:05Well, he was a very explosive guy intellectually, and so he also exploited this ability to benefit from it, even
00:19:23economic.
00:19:24I mean, you don't understand, you don't understand.
00:19:27That is, there were businesses on the edge of the law that allowed for easy income.
00:19:37How did you judge Semeraro, for these somewhat casual affairs?
00:19:43I thought he was smarter than the others, for sure.
00:19:46Smarter than the others.
00:19:48It seems to me that you too have had, in some way, directly benefited, been benefited by this guy.
00:19:56of business, for a matter concerning a motorcycle.
00:19:58Am I wrong?
00:19:59Yes, yes.
00:20:00Meaning what?
00:20:01He just tells me things.
00:20:04Well, it's not just that motorcycle, there are several other things.
00:20:07This motorcycle broke down.
00:20:08Yes, okay, then...
00:20:09It broke, then...
00:20:10Well, he had an accident with this motorcycle and nothing, he through his knowledge, his tours, in short, made it appear
00:20:22which was a death sentence, in short.
00:20:25And so we got a lot of insurance money for that and so yeah, we kind of got another, bigger motorcycle.
00:20:33Lire? 15 million.
00:20:35No, 7, 6 and a half.
00:20:36This motorcycle, in short, is more beautiful.
00:20:39Oh yes.
00:20:39Well, in short, listen, let's say that your relationship is a job of a few cents, in fact, then in a very short time,
00:20:47so, it developed in dramatic terms, because she had the first motorcycle, the second motorcycle, then it turns out that
00:20:55subsequently, if it was rare for me, I put a life insurance policy in her name, then she corrects me if it is not right.
00:21:00He gave her his signature on the credit card, then he bought her clothes, gave her the use of the cars,
00:21:06in short, it was the land of toys.
00:21:09Isn't that right? But that's why you, tell the truth, Armando, that you rarely saw, because
00:21:14Did he spoil her and give her everything that her parents understandably didn't give her?
00:21:22Now, judging now, yes, definitely, but even before, even if I had to stop a moment before to think about it, yes, what
00:21:32that I didn't do.
00:21:37So she didn't think at the time that he was like that, that if he was rare he was so generous to keep her
00:21:42tied to itself?
00:21:43No, I didn't think in general, you know, then.
00:21:46Didn't I generally think? And no one could make her think?
00:21:51There were some difficulties, that's all.
00:21:54I must tell you that beyond all these charities that he rarely did for me, there was
00:22:02also another quite decisive topic with which if I was rarely tenderly tied, a little bit disturbing as well
00:22:09topic, it's drugs, after all.
00:22:12Real?
00:22:16Had she used drugs before meeting San Erago or was it he who taught her the use of drugs?
00:22:23drug?
00:22:24Yes, let's say, that was the period.
00:22:26That is, hadn't he used drugs before?
00:22:27Yes, a little something.
00:22:29Yes, normal things you do at 16, like, marijuana, yes.
00:22:35But the drug, the real drug, basically procured it for him, taught it to him, induced him if it was rare for me?
00:22:44Yes.
00:22:45What kind of drug was it?
00:22:48Okay, he had special friends even in criminal circles, etc., but he didn't get used to it.
00:23:07And so it happened that one day he took me to his friend's house and he was using drugs,
00:23:17of ruin and asked him if he would let me try it.
00:23:24It was if I asked this friend so what?
00:23:29Nothing, I didn't think about it as usual I did.
00:23:38And was this your first time taking heroin?
00:23:40Yes.
00:23:42After that he continued to get it for her?
00:23:45Yes, okay, not always, but I wore it every now and then, yes.
00:23:51How did she take heroin?
00:23:55I was sniffing it, that's all.
00:23:57I sniffed it.
00:23:58So he was the one who physically procured it for her?
00:24:01Yes, because I wouldn't have even had the connections to take it.
00:24:07And then, in the end, I wouldn't have done anything, I think.
00:24:12After that time, well, she just kept going.
00:24:15But look, did she think of himself as a drug addict?
00:24:20No.
00:24:20No, she never had a withdrawal crisis, so she was able to control it from that point of view.
00:24:27view.
00:24:28Yes, also because yes, it wasn't something for which...
00:24:35But he took a lot of heroin.
00:24:37Lately yes, because it was a short point.
00:24:40That is, in the last period.
00:24:41Listen, beyond this serious and disturbing fact, after having hired her,
00:24:51Semeraro continued, it is clear, to place advertisements in newspapers,
00:24:58on Porta Portese in particular, to recruit young people with job offers.
00:25:02But why did she do that, excuse me? Wasn't that enough for her?
00:25:06Well, he loved to surround himself with young people, so the more the merrier.
00:25:12Or at least a special selection could have been made.
00:25:15But what was the purpose of the selection, excuse me? To surround yourself with young people? What did you do with these young people?
00:25:19Well, then he said he was going to hire another secretary, so...
00:25:23Yeah, okay, let's stick to this fact. She loved surrounding herself with young people, after all, she was there, but she wanted more.
00:25:30Yes, yes.
00:25:33Yes, maybe, he wanted to make sure he could have more.
00:25:41But then these kids used to hang out at home, they came, well, what use did he make of them, to put it bluntly?
00:25:50Well, with those he liked, with those he chose, in short, he treated them well, quite well.
00:26:00In the sense that... that you could see the profits, in the sense that...
00:26:08How do these kids make this money back?
00:26:11I more or less earned myself back in the same way.
00:26:15Sure, I have a privileged relationship with them, let's say, but...
00:26:22But was he very interested in sex, if any?
00:26:30Yes, his was a... no, more than interested in sex, he's interested in beauty.
00:26:36Exactly... it may seem strange, but exactly...
00:26:42I mean, he... yes, also, but...
00:26:44Does sex work, beauty as a function of sex, or beauty?
00:26:46Yes, definitely, but beauty in general, that's it.
00:26:50Then, behold, it was normal for him to match her.
00:26:53Listen, but... look, beauty, but what place did women have in Semeraro's life?
00:27:00Eh... no, women...
00:27:02But did he like women?
00:27:03Yes, yes.
00:27:04Did he go with women?
00:27:05Yes, yes.
00:27:08He... loved to watch, he loved to watch, yes.
00:27:11Watch?
00:27:12Yes.
00:27:15It was this question because at a certain point in his relationship with Semeraro, exactly
00:27:20The summer after he was hired, a girl entered the scene for the first time.
00:27:28Well, you don't have to mention this girl's name to me, especially since she's out now.
00:27:32from this story, and this girl who then becomes in your relationship, in the relationship
00:27:41his and Semeraro's, in this whole story, becomes a determining element.
00:27:46So, how was it, how did this girl come into your life, basically?
00:27:51Always through this hiring ploy.
00:27:57So always through an ad?
00:28:00I mean, what did this ad say, what did it say?
00:28:05Looking for a secretary.
00:28:06So, it was directed at a woman.
00:28:08Yes.
00:28:08And then this girl showed up.
00:28:11Here you are.
00:28:12And then what happened?
00:28:13Did he hire her right away?
00:28:15Not right away, but we had agreed.
00:28:18What do you want? First of all, can you describe this girl to me a little?
00:28:19So, she was blonde, she was beautiful, pretty, yes.
00:28:26And then she was nice, that's it, she was...
00:28:28Did she like it right away?
00:28:29Yes, yes.
00:28:29Very.
00:28:30Yes.
00:28:32Listen, this girl, what did she know, what did she understand about her relationship, about the relationship
00:28:37of her, his, Armando, with Semeraro?
00:28:40Surely she, she's intelligent and so...
00:28:50He had sensed something, but not in the classical sense that one would like...
00:28:59He sensed that there was a different level of trust than usual, that's it.
00:29:08But is Semeraro her?
00:29:10Yes, which she realized right away, because, well, he had no problem at all.
00:29:15to say it.
00:29:17And did this girl accept it?
00:29:19In order to accept me, he accepted that, yes.
00:29:22Listen, when you got engaged to this girl, did you introduce her to your parents?
00:29:27Yes, after a while, yes.
00:29:29And his parents?
00:29:30Did you like it?
00:29:33That's how it is.
00:29:35There are others who liked it more.
00:29:39Listen, but in this, let's say, a disposition that is not entirely favorable to your parents
00:29:44Could it be that Semeraro somehow got involved?
00:29:48Yes, yes, of course.
00:29:49Of course, because he didn't paint her in the best light in front of my parents.
00:29:57Why?
00:29:59Well, because it's clear, but...
00:30:02Why was he jealous?
00:30:03Yes.
00:30:05So it put her in a bad light.
00:30:08But did her parents believe Semeraro?
00:30:11Yes, yes.
00:30:13At that time they still believed.
00:30:16But, at a certain point, his parents began to understand
00:30:20that Semeraro was not the person they believed
00:30:23and that had a negative influence on her.
00:30:28Well, they tried to...
00:30:29Yes, they tried to end this relationship, basically.
00:30:35I mean, what's the fascination?
00:30:37What did they do?
00:30:40In short, a strong disagreement has arisen among his parents.
00:30:43between his parents and Semeraro, let's say.
00:30:46As?
00:30:47Yes, yes.
00:30:49Yes, well, it was the misunderstandings of the...
00:30:52They insisted.
00:30:53Yes, some strong arguments, that's it.
00:31:01And her?
00:31:02But...
00:31:02Which side did you lean towards?
00:31:06I didn't want to leave that kind of reality because it was comfortable.
00:31:17At the same time, I didn't want my family to suffer too much.
00:31:22In short, I wanted to have a foot in both camps.
00:31:28without being able to put it in one.
00:31:32So, in short, the situation is a bit particular.
00:31:37When did you actually decide to go and live with Semeraro?
00:31:40Do you remember it?
00:31:42Yes, during one of the periods when there had been these misunderstandings.
00:31:57But she loved Semeraro.
00:32:00Yes.
00:32:02Yes.
00:32:03So, beyond all the vices he gave her,
00:32:09the tantrums he threw at her,
00:32:13she also loved him for that.
00:32:15Yes.
00:32:16Yes, I love it, yes.
00:32:18But...
00:32:21So you were practically living at Semeraro's house?
00:32:24Yes, it had a period.
00:32:25Basically, he was practically there, well, he lived there.
00:32:28And like his girlfriend, for example,
00:32:30did he also live there or did he come, gravitate?
00:32:33Well, yeah, he was always...
00:32:36Let's say, so as not to lose me, he was there and he was always...
00:32:42He was present, in short.
00:32:43In short, a sort of threesome.
00:32:44Yes.
00:32:46Yes, Armando, but here,
00:32:47logically she was making love to this girl,
00:32:50he had a normal relationship, that's all.
00:32:52Did these relationships take place at Semeraro's house?
00:32:55Yes.
00:32:58And she said precisely at the trial,
00:33:00talked about a sort of participation by Semeraro in these relationships.
00:33:04What did you mean by participation?
00:33:10I liked it...
00:33:15he wanted to be in the middle, present, even if he wanted to see, he wanted to be there, he wanted to enjoy the beauties of others.
00:33:38Listen, it seems that Semeraro also took pictures of you and this girl within this conversation that we are having.
00:33:45doing
00:33:46some photos,
00:33:49intimate moments.
00:33:52What kind of photos were they?
00:33:55It's a photo that will show us, the intimate moments, that's it.
00:34:02Raunchy photos?
00:34:04Yes.
00:34:06Did she notice when he was shying away from her?
00:34:13It went in a strange way, because we were there and we had argued about something and we
00:34:22we left.
00:34:24Had he argued? Who had argued?
00:34:25This girl with him, to take her side and...
00:34:32In short, she wanted to leave and so I followed her.
00:34:37We went, well, we were going back to Rome because we were staying there in Puglia.
00:34:42But look, we couldn't make the stop, we couldn't, we didn't have any money and so in the end we went back.
00:34:51And nothing, he, because we were all a little nervous, he gave us some valium, something like that, for
00:34:57calm down, in short, that's all I know.
00:35:00And then, lo and behold, it happened that we started making love and he came there like
00:35:09he had done it other times, but oh well, he started taking pictures.
00:35:13At first we didn't notice, then yes, we understood, but we also didn't let it happen.
00:35:19I mean, we mostly ignored it, but whatever, it's our fault.
00:35:26It was a bit of a perverse situation. Is that how you see it now?
00:35:31Of course. Something that... something particular that rarely repeats itself, things, experiences that understand.
00:35:47I mean, you understand, I mean. This happened to me, others could have, something else happened.
00:35:53Sure, you can get over it later. Anyway, at that point she had become the object of desire for two...
00:36:03people, in short, not only, but it was the object of an amorous dispute,
00:36:06because he was being pulled from one side to the other like a stretched rubber band, in short, this girl was pulling him from one side,
00:36:12Semerano was pulling him towards the other, but who did she actually want to be with, excuse me?
00:36:20I wanted to be with both of them, that's all. I mean, I didn't want to deprive myself of the positive aspects that one offered me.
00:36:28and of the others that the other offered me.
00:36:35I wanted to take everything.
00:36:37But basically one gets the impression that she was playing a bit of a double game during that period, because why not?
00:36:45With him?
00:36:46With both?
00:36:47Yes, because, yes, I have withdrawn from it several times, I mean, I have never really gotten involved in it much.
00:36:55No, but she was playing a double game in this sense, because on the one hand she promised Semeraro that she would not
00:36:59he would never see the girl again,
00:37:01on the other hand he promised this girl that he would separate from Semeraro.
00:37:05And then I was actually sincere in both cases, that's the drama.
00:37:09Was he sincere?
00:37:11It was awful.
00:37:12Yes, because I couldn't have my own capacity to want, that is, nothing, thorn in my side, nothing.
00:37:24Listen, going back to this relationship with this girl, at a certain point, and with Semeraro, at a certain point this
00:37:30the relationship becomes heavily unbalanced in favor of the girl, because something very important happens.
00:37:40my daughter is born.
00:37:41Anyway, in the meantime, this girl is expecting a baby.
00:37:45And it's something she accepts with joy, with favor.
00:37:51Yes, yes.
00:37:53Sure, it wasn't planned, but once... nothing, we accepted it.
00:37:59And how did Semeraro accept it?
00:38:01He didn't pretend to take it well, that's all.
00:38:04Listen, but, if it appears from the minutes, so I won't even ask you if it's true, Semeraro at a certain point has
00:38:11tried to make everyone believe, including his parents,
00:38:14that this child could be his. Why? How could he?
00:38:21Well, in that case it would certainly have discredited her.
00:38:29It would have... it would have made me, you know, look... different.
00:38:36Or at least he wouldn't have let me accept it as... as I liked it.
00:38:42And so yes, he did this...
00:38:45The statement, yes.
00:38:46Is this true?
00:38:47That he made the statement, yes.
00:38:50And she didn't react badly? It was very offensive, huh?
00:38:55You, Armando, didn't react badly.
00:38:57Yes, but how did he do it?
00:39:01You see, I was convinced of the opposite, certainly, but when...
00:39:07When a person raises a doubt, when there is no confirmation from the other side,
00:39:12or at least there was this kind of game that you could never know the truth from which side
00:39:17come.
00:39:19So...
00:39:22Yes, I knew it wasn't possible, definitely.
00:39:25Or at least that it was something she wouldn't do, that is.
00:39:30But every now and then, look, these insinuated doubts worked.
00:39:34Yes, the doubt arose.
00:39:37I mean, maybe not strongly, but...
00:39:42But every now and then, yes.
00:39:43Doubt is a strange thing, because it is not a certainty, but it is on the list.
00:39:47Yes, then let's say that Semeraro had his own way of insinuating doubts.
00:39:50Yes, there is definitely a particular skill.
00:39:53This dominion over her, so...
00:39:56Listen, let's go back to the little girl.
00:39:58So, here comes this little girl.
00:40:01Here you are.
00:40:02But the birth of this little girl changes something in his life,
00:40:08but above all in his relationship with Semeraro?
00:40:10Yes, yes, yes, because already while her belly was starting to grow
00:40:16we moved in alone, so...
00:40:21So, look, something has definitely changed.
00:40:24In the evening, in the afternoon I was with her, in the evening with her, I mean, I was...
00:40:28Semeraro?
00:40:29I was sowing, I was alone.
00:40:31Oh, are you all happy?
00:40:32Yes, well.
00:40:35We only saw each other in the morning for work.
00:40:37But hadn't this thing really disturbed Semeraro?
00:40:44Yes, of course, because all those relationships between the three of us had ended, that's it.
00:40:57I want to read you an excerpt from a letter that Semeraro wrote to you.
00:41:03about his choice to start a family.
00:41:08If you stay there and act as a housekeeper, even if you manage to find a proletarian job,
00:41:14in this society you are worthless.
00:41:16With a million a month, for ten hours of work, to maintain three heads,
00:41:19you won't even be able to afford a cam.
00:41:22You'll become ugly, dry, and bald without that beautiful light in your eyes that lights up my house.
00:41:28While your future is to rejoice and smile with everyone, waving from a powerful motorbike with a jacket of
00:41:33skin and latest cry,
00:41:34have a woman to dominate as a dominator.
00:41:36If you want to help your alleged daughter, you can do it from the outside too,
00:41:41without the need to be a slave in the hands of the sorceress Circe.
00:41:45Did she know about this song?
00:41:47No.
00:41:48Yes?
00:41:49No?
00:41:51He never read it.
00:41:53But this is a letter he wrote to her, don't you remember?
00:41:56Besides being in his diary, this is a letter he wrote to her.
00:42:01Don't you remember?
00:42:03Yes, he wrote me one, but it wasn't this one.
00:42:07However, this is the result, and it also says a lot, let's say, about this torment of Semeraro,
00:42:17but she let herself be convinced by all these statements that Semeraro made,
00:42:23that is, you must be free to dominate the women to dominate, to have the jacket,
00:42:28having the boot, having the motorbike, did he let himself be convinced by these things?
00:42:40Sure, yes, I definitely agreed, but I couldn't help but be with these girls,
00:42:52that is, I would have liked to continue life.
00:42:54So she agreed?
00:42:56Yes, ultimately yes, because this was my way of living, it wasn't that it had changed,
00:43:04habits had changed, but the desire to be there in a different way, not like the others,
00:43:21of not having to work for a million a month.
00:43:26So, had he injected her with this virus?
00:43:30Yes, of course, so here are all these claims about her working, you know you have to do this,
00:43:37you have to act in an unscrupulous way, the boot, in short, did it work on her?
00:43:42Yes, he got it right, yes.
00:43:44He was right, anyway, after this letter that you don't remember, but that I can assure you
00:43:50because in the trial documents that Semeraro wrote to her, she promised Semeraro that
00:43:55he would never see his daughter's mother again, but why did he make this promise to her?
00:44:06I'm not saying it was extorted, but it led me to convince myself that it was right to say that, that's all.
00:44:15I mean, at that moment it was right to say that.
00:44:19But with the arguments of the motorbike, of the dominator, or with what arguments?
00:44:26In short, with drugs, with what arguments, with the money he gives her, with what arguments...
00:44:32With all the arguments, that is, it wasn't a specific thing, it was many things,
00:44:45many distinct situations, at the same time different, numerous,
00:44:55and all enchanting, all beautiful, so...
00:45:01Armando, you said at the trial that Semeraro blackmailed both you and your girlfriend.
00:45:09with the daring photos he had taken of you, but what use did he want to make of these photos?
00:45:14Why were you so scared of these photos?
00:45:22Because he said to tell her father, I mean, what a nasty thing, he said he would attack her at school,
00:45:31but the fact was not only the photos, it was also because during those photos she had dressed me,
00:45:38that is, he had put me on, he had made me up, in short, just playing around.
00:45:41So his girlfriend had done her makeup?
00:45:44And so those were...
00:45:46That is, was he dressed as a woman?
00:45:47No, dressed as a woman, made up in short.
00:45:50And then stripped?
00:45:51Yes, I was, well, not very covered, not very covered, essential things, yes.
00:45:58And nothing, he picked me up...
00:46:00So he urged me to make use of these photos in particular, in which...
00:46:05Yes, he was trying to hurt me, wasn't he?
00:46:07In which she appeared like this, in a dimension, well, a little homosexual, let's say, for this reason.
00:46:13Certain.
00:46:14And he blackmailed her with this.
00:46:17And so we arrive at April 25, 1990, which is a fateful day for everyone.
00:46:27Who are you spending this day with?
00:46:29Do you remember it?
00:46:32Oh yes, I'll pass it...
00:46:33I had spent the day before with this girl.
00:46:38The next day I spent it at his house, at his house.
00:46:44From Semerano?
00:46:45Yes, then I went home to eat and then I went back to him.
00:46:50She goes to Semerano's house and what happens at Semerano's house?
00:46:55It happens that he reproaches me for the fact that I saw this girl again, because I had promised him nothing redone,
00:47:03all these things here.
00:47:05It all requires clarification.
00:47:07I say that, well, the situation has worsened, everything.
00:47:16And nothing, in the end the discussion continues until...
00:47:22It's not that it's progressing.
00:47:25Then I take it on the scooter because there was another one, there was a different muffler, I start to assemble
00:47:29the scooter, so I didn't even ask for it.
00:47:31And in the meantime he calls this girl, he has her come to the house.
00:47:36What time was it, we want to give a...
00:47:37It was late, it was three in the morning.
00:47:40Three in the morning, in short.
00:47:41Yes, it was late.
00:47:44So you were adjusting the scooter?
00:47:46I was parking the scooter on one side and he called this girl.
00:47:52Why did he call her?
00:47:52To clarify the situation, because it's clear that he wanted to put...
00:47:57At three in the morning, what's the situation like?
00:48:01Listen, had she taken drugs?
00:48:05Yes.
00:48:05What? What drug?
00:48:07It was solid.
00:48:08It was an iso.
00:48:09So you were on drugs?
00:48:12Yes.
00:48:14So, if I get rare I'll call the girl.
00:48:16It's three in the morning.
00:48:20What happens?
00:48:22Well, she comes, she takes a taxi, she comes.
00:48:26And a discussion arises...
00:48:31Based on insults, on reproaches, go.
00:48:36You did this, you did that.
00:48:40Then in my presence, one would say one thing, the other would deny it, and vice versa.
00:48:46So I also preferred to leave.
00:48:48Then I came back, well, the discussion wasn't over.
00:48:53Things had taken a turn for the worse.
00:48:59Nothing, it just happened that, well...
00:49:05It happened that it culminated in that gesture, in short.
00:49:16I'd like to refocus on this moment for a moment, which I know is a terrible moment for her.
00:49:22But that evening she had promised Semeraro that she would even leave with him.
00:49:28I hadn't told him no, but I hadn't promised him anything.
00:49:33Here, isn't it?
00:49:36No, yes, he told me and I didn't answer because I didn't want to go, but...
00:49:42So this clarification that Semeraro wanted to have with the girl was to distance me, to define me forever.
00:49:49Yes, but in the end nothing was resolved as usual.
00:49:55Yes, yes, yes, to get away, of course.
00:49:59At a certain point it seems to me that Semeraro also said something very offensive, beyond the discussions,
00:50:06something very offensive towards the girl.
00:50:10Yes, he said offensive things about both of us.
00:50:14In fact, at that point I had decided to leave.
00:50:18At that point he said nothing, he stood in front of the door saying that no one would come by, that we had to finish
00:50:25the discussion, etc., etc.
00:50:28What I took and turned my back on going, I mean going towards the kitchen, I take a drink, basically like this,
00:50:35he did to me.
00:50:39Then?
00:50:40Then nothing, he pounced on me and...
00:50:43It seems to me that the girl gave...
00:50:45Yes, yes, one told me...
00:50:49Yes, he shouted at me to be careful, he lunged at me and...
00:50:55Well, I grabbed him and put my elbow around his neck and he died.
00:51:05But did she want to kill?
00:51:18The moment I did it I couldn't...
00:51:25I mean, I realized what I was doing but I couldn't stop, that's all.
00:51:30Why? Because at that point it had exploded, I mean...
00:51:35I think it was the only time in my life I ever got truly angry.
00:51:41Because I've always been a calm guy, I mean...
00:51:46Essentially even though...
00:51:50Although...
00:51:52Arguing, I mean, I never lost my cool, so...
00:51:54That was the only time I lost my cool and couldn't hold back.
00:52:05Here you are.
00:52:06Then what did she do?
00:52:10Well, then he got scared.
00:52:12Were you scared?
00:52:13He was scared, I tried to...
00:52:17I thought the best thing was to take it and...
00:52:23Induct him somewhere.
00:52:25Where was the girl?
00:52:27The girl had run away at that moment because...
00:52:32It had happened a few times that I had put my hands on him, it had only happened once because...
00:52:37Are you talking about Semeraro?
00:52:38Yes, I'm with Semeraro.
00:52:41And so he knew that if...
00:52:44I mean, he knew, I don't know...
00:52:46She got scared, she stopped, then she ran away...
00:52:50She ran away, she ran away while remaining outside the house, in short, near the front door.
00:52:58Then?
00:52:59Then I went down, I said I had killed him.
00:53:03She got scared.
00:53:07Then nothing, there was the van parked in front of the door, so I took the bag.
00:53:14She was left...
00:53:15What bag?
00:53:16I took a bag, put it in a garbage bag.
00:53:21And he put it in?
00:53:23He stuck it in.
00:53:24Then?
00:53:25What happened?
00:53:26He cleaned the house, I don't know what, what happened.
00:53:31Yes, I took the slippers that were there, he was wearing slippers, I put them in the bag and...
00:53:39AND...
00:53:40I went out of Rome, in short, without a destination, without...
00:53:44Did you get in this van?
00:53:45Yes, we got out in this van.
00:53:47With this macabre, a burden, in short.
00:53:50And we went to throw, well, the body aside.
00:53:54We went, well, me and her, I terrified her, she...
00:53:57You're skipping a step, you did something else first, instead, before going to throw away, as you say
00:54:02she.
00:54:04You did something else.
00:54:07You called...
00:54:08Oh, I called, yes.
00:54:09...to his parents.
00:54:11At that time?
00:54:12What happened?
00:54:13Who called?
00:54:15She called.
00:54:17And he said?
00:54:19He said this thing had happened, that...
00:54:22His parents?
00:54:23That the seeming was dead.
00:54:26Very worried, in short.
00:54:28I believe so.
00:54:30And what did she ask her parents?
00:54:32Did you ask your parents anything specific?
00:54:34Yes, I asked for the keys to the house in the village, you know, to just throw it there, you know.
00:54:43I wanted to hide.
00:54:46Hide the body?
00:54:47Yes.
00:54:48There?
00:54:48Bury him there?
00:54:49Yes, at least in the...
00:54:50And his parents?
00:54:52And the parents said no, they said to stay, stop, let's talk about it.
00:54:59But I didn't listen to him and left.
00:55:07But she...
00:55:08And I left it somewhere else.
00:55:10And he left it somewhere else, he says you left it.
00:55:12Where did he throw it?
00:55:13In a landfill?
00:55:14It wasn't a landfill, it was a piece of land.
00:55:19And at the entrance to this land there was some earth.
00:55:22I put it there, behind that pile of dirt.
00:55:24It must have been a metre tall at most.
00:55:27But, tell the truth, Armando, when you threw this poor man, this poor body,
00:55:35in this landfill, in this land, as she says,
00:55:40did she think she got away with it?
00:55:42Or not?
00:55:44I didn't think about it.
00:55:47I didn't think about that?
00:55:48No.
00:55:49What was happening inside her at that moment?
00:55:57I tried to convince myself that it had been right,
00:56:05that it should have ended like this,
00:56:08that there was no other way out.
00:56:21After throwing away Semeraro's body, you went home, I think.
00:56:29at whose house?
00:56:31At my house.
00:56:32In his parents?
00:56:33From which parents, yes.
00:56:34And what had his parents done in the meantime?
00:56:36They warned, they warned the police that, well, this thing happened,
00:56:41so they came, better this way in the end.
00:56:46How did they find you, do you remember?
00:56:48I hugged myself.
00:56:50And did you sleep like two puppies?
00:56:51Yes.
00:56:52On a couch, right?
00:56:54Yes.
00:56:54Was it the end of a nightmare?
00:56:57Yes.
00:56:59How long did your relationship with Semeraro last?
00:57:02Four years.
00:57:04Four years.
00:57:06Listen, what did Semeraro represent for you?
00:57:11Can you tell?
00:57:14It was represented there of the disgression.
00:57:18Was it her, was it?
00:57:27But do you ever think about Semeraro?
00:57:31Yes.
00:57:34Because you see, after all this that we've said to each other,
00:57:37one has the impression that this ghost still lives in her, Arnada.
00:57:46It will certainly remain, his scar will certainly remain.
00:57:56Everything he taught me will remain, both good and bad.
00:58:01I only hope for the best.
00:58:03No, aside, yes yes.
00:58:05That is, it will remain, it will be a scar, it will remain there.
00:58:10I'll always see it, that's it.
00:58:14Maybe we should not look at it too often.
00:58:21Armando, can you kill a person with hatred and still love them?
00:58:31Love is a feeling as strong as hate
00:58:34that it is difficult to make it vanish just by snapping your fingers.
00:58:43It's something that remains, hate remains and love remains.
00:58:48It certainly is.
00:58:51The vision will be more opaque, certainly, but these are things that remain.
00:58:57If there are things in a relationship, they remain, whatever happens.
00:59:05But are you sorry you killed him?
00:59:09I'm sorry I committed murder.
00:59:12I'm not sorry I'm done with that kind of reality, that's all.
00:59:19Listen, how long have you been in prison?
00:59:25Almost four years have now passed since that famous April 25th.
00:59:34During an interview, she told me that she experiences prison with detachment.
00:59:41What did you mean?
00:59:47I am aware of the situation I am in, but I also know that I am a new free man and the
00:59:57I will remain free.
00:59:58The important thing is to be inside.
00:59:59Then conforming to the environment around you is not mandatory and therefore I prefer to stay that way, thinking differently.
01:00:15In fact, she told me that I am not a prisoner, almost as if being one were a mentality and not a
01:00:21condition.
01:00:23Well, that is certainly a condition, but the fact also plays a big role.
01:00:32Of course, then I'm lucky enough to be able to deal with incarceration in a different way.
01:00:42In what sense?
01:00:44In the sense that hopes are not taken away.
01:00:48And so sometimes that's also what...
01:00:53That is, managing to live as normally as possible despite everything.
01:01:01So, how do you spend your day in prison?
01:01:05Well, this is a prison that offers several possibilities.
01:01:10And so there's the library, there's the soccer field, there's the gym.
01:01:18And what about the gym?
01:01:20Yes.
01:01:21Why do you like it?
01:01:24Well, first of all, because prison...
01:01:30That is, in prison life flows very slowly, the pace is different and so you have to not settle for a moment, that's it.
01:01:43At least that's what I think.
01:01:44And so keeping fit, keeping alive is already important, that's it.
01:01:52Hey Armando, any plans for the future?
01:01:54What does the future look like, first of all?
01:01:55It's beautiful.
01:01:56Is it nice?
01:01:57Yes, definitely.
01:01:59With what projects inside?
01:02:01The plans are not yet clear, but they will certainly be...
01:02:09they will be different, that is, they will be beautiful, they will be clean, they will be peaceful projects, that's it.
01:02:22So compared to the wayward boy, to that boy...
01:02:26To that famous boy.
01:02:27To that famous boy we talked about, do you feel completely different from that famous boy?
01:02:34While not denying it, yes.
01:02:38But are you feeling strong today?
01:02:40Do you think he wouldn't fall into the same mistakes?
01:02:44No, we have different measurement methods now.
01:02:49She once said that to become a man you have to go through prison.
01:02:54Do you still think that?
01:02:57I said it because I wasn't a man, that's all.
01:03:00And so it was useful for me to do it.
01:03:05If I hadn't had that kind of experience, if I had done other things, if I had matured differently,
01:03:15maybe it would have been different.
01:03:17But on sixes, on hands, nothing can be built, so...
01:03:21Prison helped me, but not because of the behavior I had to have,
01:03:28for the fact that it made me think, that it made me stop...
01:03:32It made me stop, that's it, it made me think.
01:03:35It made me take stock of the situation for a moment.
01:04:07It made me stop.
01:04:10Seatamente tutto k half bunacci.
01:04:11It made me stop.
01:04:11The fact is super, it's a pseudo thing!
01:04:13Did he put me through this?
01:04:13I hope closer, instead...
01:04:19He made me wait for a number.
01:04:20He made me effect the one that makes7 weißangiente,
01:04:33Thank you all
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