00:00That's Shane Boz after Grant Hill five-year, a $68 million extension.
00:07First of all, did either of you guys see this coming?
00:10Not really.
00:11No.
00:12I didn't see it coming at all.
00:13I didn't see it coming.
00:13I did not have Shane Boz five-year extension on the bingo card.
00:17Can I ask a serious question, though?
00:18Can we stop about them spending money?
00:20No, no, no, no.
00:21Can fans stop about it?
00:22Because what I'm learning is Orioles' ownership isn't cheap.
00:26The fans are.
00:26So you mean to tell me that the Angelos' were the problem in spending money and not the new ownership?
00:33Because everybody's holding everything that happened before against the new guy.
00:38Yeah, but they're complaining about the five-year, $68 million deal of Boz.
00:42Those people are stupid.
00:43If you spent less than $15 million on a starting pitcher in the American League,
00:48I mean, but you're complaining about it.
00:51So you're complaining.
00:51So if the guy gets hot and he's not signed, then you're calling in and asking,
00:57well, why don't they extend this guy?
00:58They don't extend anybody.
00:59It's not your money, okay?
01:02It's obvious, Ed, that these guys don't have a hard time or problem spending.
01:06Let's go back.
01:07Let's go back.
01:08You go out and sign your Dominican Republic catcher,
01:12who is basically a folk hero back at your academy to where you might steal some other people
01:19because you signed him.
01:20Then you go out and you trade for an outfielder that you got to spend more money on.
01:27Yeah.
01:28Then you go out and you sign Pete Alonzo.
01:31Then you go out and trade for a utility infielder.
01:34Then you trade for Boz, maybe not in that order.
01:37And now you extend Boz.
01:39Grayson Rodriguez on the IL already.
01:40Exactly, dead arm.
01:42So, I mean, it's obvious these guys don't have a problem opening up the checkbook.
01:47I know, but you know we're going to hear it.
01:49I don't understand how people don't see, like, do you see?
01:54It's like that song.
01:55Do you see what I see?
01:56Do you hear what I hear?
01:58Do you?
01:58Do you?
01:59Do you?
02:00Really?
02:01But my issue is, Jeremy, even after doing it, you're complaining about him doing it.
02:06He had the start he had yesterday.
02:08I immediately, right online, as soon as the game's over, just social media, yeah, I can't
02:14believe we gave this guy 60-something.
02:16It's a game!
02:17It's one game!
02:18Five and a third innings, four runs, seven hits, four strikeouts, no walks.
02:22He had one bad inning.
02:24That's his worst game.
02:25And hey, go ahead.
02:26I don't think he had his best control.
02:28I think he kept starting behind in the counts and then trying to catch back up.
02:34But again, like, we watched Taj Bradley.
02:37Was that Saturday, I believe?
02:39Yeah.
02:39Taj Bradley on Saturday.
02:40I think he threw a thousand pitches in the first inning and still somehow managed to get
02:44in four innings.
02:45We couldn't do anything against him after loading the bases and having everything go our
02:48way.
02:49Anyway, baseball is a, it's just a weird sport where, again, if you're a great team, you
02:55win 100 games.
02:56You lose 62.
02:57Yeah.
02:58You know, so again, the people in the beginning of the year that are going to go, this is who
03:01he is.
03:02How come you're not sitting here saying that this guy's going to hit 162 home runs because
03:05he averaged, he had three home runs this weekend in Brandon Lau.
03:09Like, what?
03:10It's always the negative.
03:11Oh, this guy sucks.
03:12He had one bad game.
03:13Your thoughts on Gunnar Henderson said he has open ears.
03:15That's the most progress we've heard.
03:17That's the coolest thing about all of this.
03:19That's the most progress we've heard from a Scott Boris client ever.
03:25I got open ears to an extension?
03:28Who's his agent?
03:29Absolutely.
03:29Yeah.
03:30And maybe he just wants to be here.
03:31Maybe that is the, you know, it's just seeing the team.
03:35What did he say?
03:35He wants to sit back and watch what they do.
03:37You see him spend money on Boz.
03:39You see him make these trades.
03:40Okay.
03:40We added Taylor Ward.
03:42We added Tito Ward.
03:44You assigned Pete Alonzo.
03:46People were beating up Pete Alonzo for laying on the field with his infant saying, oh, he's
03:51only doing that because the cameras are out.
03:52What is wrong with you people in your lives?
03:54Why do you hate everything?
03:55Yes.
03:56Why do you hate everything?
03:58What are we doing?
04:02Ah, look at him out there with his baby.
04:04He knows the cameras are on.
04:05All right, man.
04:06You know.
04:06You got him.
04:07Caught him red-handed.
04:09But again, watching these other, watching ownership do this, dealing with Scott Boris,
04:13knowing that they've talked to him, they've drafted some of his players, signed, they
04:18all, remember there were guys that would slip in the draft because of signability.
04:21Yeah.
04:21Remember what happened to, what was it, Jared Weaver and who was the hitter that the Mats
04:25eventually got?
04:27But Stephen Drew, because I knew they were both brothers.
04:30Those guys, they slipped in the draft because they didn't think they could sign them because
04:34of Scott Boris.
04:35And people didn't want to pay all their money on the top draft picks.
04:37It was somebody else.
04:38What was the first one you said?
04:40There was Stephen Drew and Jared Weaver.
04:42That J.D. Drew's his older brother.
04:43But J.D. Drew was another one.
04:44Remember, he got drafted.
04:46It may have been.
04:46And went back into the draft.
04:47He got drafted, didn't sign, and went back into the draft that next year.
04:51Or threatened to do it or something to that point.
04:52But you're right because of Boris.
04:54And I think, you know, when you have a guy who's telling you, I have open ears, he's
05:03basically, Gunnar Henderson, is now putting the pressure on the ownership.
05:06I'm listening.
05:07Yeah.
05:07What are you saying?
05:08What are you saying?
05:09Yeah.
05:10I'm confident they're going to do something with him now because clearly they're not afraid
05:14to spend money.
05:15And it's a very different time and a very different ownership group.
05:18So, I just, again, I don't know what people hear.
05:21It's Gunnar close to a quarter of a billion or a half billion?
05:25I think half.
05:26Yeah.
05:27Yeah.
05:27I think it's somewhere in between.
05:28Like, initially, it all depends on, you know, if he signs a contract.
05:34Well, I mean, yeah, that's another thing because so many people care about the AAV, how much
05:38you're making per year over the course of it.
05:40Some people care about the length of the contract.
05:43Like, signing somebody to a 13-year deal just assures that he's probably going to finish
05:47on your team unless you decide to trade him, right?
05:49Like, Bryce Harper signing for, what was it, 12 or 13 years just seems ridiculous.
05:53But you got what you wanted.
05:55So, he has three years left before free agent.
05:58Six, seven, and eight.
05:59So, if I were the Orioles, I'd buy out the arbitration and add about three years to that.
06:07So, I'm talking six years.
06:09So, if I give him a six-year deal, how much do I have to give him?
06:14What can I get for 63 cents?
06:17How much do I have to give him?
06:17I'm thinking, how much is one rib?
06:20I'm thinking it's somewhere around $60 million a year.
06:22Okay.
06:23Okay.
06:23Somewhere in a, maybe there's a signing bonus in there and that factors in.
06:27I mean, it's all guaranteed.
06:28You can get what I'm saying.
06:29Yeah.
06:29And by the way, thanks to my buddy Mike Fass who sent this.
06:32Did some research on new ownership.
06:34Mm-hmm.
06:34Overall, the new ownership has driven a payroll increase of roughly $70 to $100 plus million annually compared to the
06:40final Angelos years, moving the team from the bottom tier to the middle of the pack spending in the 25
06:45-26 season.
06:46And they're not done.
06:48So, Jeremy, because you guys are phoned on your handy-dandy calculator, right?
06:51Yes.
06:51If I gave him $400 million over six years, what's the AAV?
06:57$400 million over six years?
06:58That's over 60.
06:59Yeah.
07:00I mean, it's what, 65 maybe?
07:02It's going to work out right around there.
07:03And again, I think that's what the going rate's going to be for a player like that, right?
07:07So, you got to pick up the phone and get some money from people to be able to put that
07:11money in escrow.
07:12Yeah, it's just, I think it's just over 65 a year, right?
07:16Yeah.
07:18Yeah, it'd be like.
07:18Is it going to take that for Gunnar?
07:20You think?
07:21I mean, look, it's going to take.
07:22I don't think it's going to take that much.
07:23Okay.
07:24I think he's more of a 55 to 60 guy.
07:27Maybe.
07:28If you get him now.
07:29But I have no problem overpaying for him.
07:31I've got no problem doing that.
07:33The final overpaying.
07:34It's not my money.
07:36Let's see.
07:36If you give him 50, if you give him 55, it's $330 million.
07:41So, let's round it off.
07:43And if I gave Gunnar Henderson $350 million over six years, you don't think that would keep him?
07:49Yes, I do.
07:50You're talking about right now and avoiding some arbitration years?
07:52Right now.
07:53Mm-hmm.
07:54$350.
07:55Right?
07:55If he has open ears, that's what I'm starting with.
07:58I'm starting with, because that's $58.33 million a year.
08:02I think he might take that because, again, you're getting rid of some arbitration years.
08:06How old is Gunnar right now?
08:07Gunnar should be 24.
08:09No, 26.
08:0926.
08:10So, in six years.
08:10No, no, no.
08:1125.
08:11He's 25.
08:12Okay.
08:12So, in six years, he could sign another contract in his early 30s.
08:15Okay.
08:15So, I'm semi-right.
08:19I said 24 initially.
08:20He would be 25 in June.
08:22Okay.
08:23So, he's not even 25.
08:24But, I mean, he could sign another contract, another large contract at that point.
08:28Oh, yeah.
08:28For sure.
08:28Yeah.
08:29Because the extension starts next year at 26.
08:31But I don't know that you're giving him that to avoid the arbitration years as well.
08:35That's way more.
08:36He'll be 32 years old for the next contract.
08:39He could still get paid.
08:41And if he wants to go on to the glitz and glamour someplace else, go do it.
08:45Or, he may want to just be a career oriole.
08:48You get him for, give him another five-year deal worth 50-some-odd million a year.
08:53The only thing I think that would lure him away at that time would be one of his preposterous
08:58deals that Poole Hall started where they give you a contract, a 10-year deal where they
09:01know you want to fulfill four of them or six, you know.
09:03And something like that may, you know.
09:05It really worked out well for the Angels.
09:07They've recovered since then.
09:09Yeah.
09:11You know who was in the room crunching the numbers when a Cardinal said no?
09:17Sigma Dell.
09:17Sigma Dell.
09:18That's right.
09:19Yeah.
09:20And you know what stat they used?
09:22One of the main stats they used?
09:24Mm-mm.
09:25OPS.
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