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00:14I arrived and all I could see was a male with his back to us and a female facing us.
00:19There was blood spatter, there's bullets, it's absolute chaos.
00:22I didn't know who the victims were and who the suspects were.
00:27They found a backpack, strategically placed to go grab.
00:31You could definitely call it a murder kit, a hostage kit.
00:35We open the door to the shed and we can see a human foot.
00:40Our hearts drop.
00:43When it comes to people getting divorced or child custody issues, people lose their mind.
00:50She actually called his work and said he issued threats and they wouldn't let him in the building.
00:56There was one note that I recall that said crime equals desire, ability and opportunity.
01:03The callousness behind this plan was something that I've never seen in my now 30 year career.
01:28The city of Dublin sits about 20 miles from the city of Oakland.
01:33It is a growing community that has incorporated a lot of Silicon Valley types of folks.
01:39We didn't have a whole lot of murders that take place.
01:43I'm guessing we probably had maybe one every other year at the time.
01:50Tony, where's this thing?
01:52And I've got a problem with a neighbor.
01:53We're hearing screaming from next door.
01:55Okay, what are they screaming?
01:56What are you doing?
01:58What are you doing?
01:59What are you doing?
01:59It sounded like a shot.
02:00I didn't know if it was a gunshot or what, but it sounded like there's somebody in the house.
02:04Hi, this is 5148.
02:06About 5.50 p.m., a call for service came out through dispatch.
02:11Gunshots were fired at a residence on the west end of town.
02:15I arrive and I see my partner who happened to get there before I did.
02:19And he was out front talking with some of the neighbors.
02:22What we learned was that Sally, who lived at the residence, had a boyfriend, Lester.
02:29She's 91 years old.
02:30Les is also in his 90s.
02:33And he calls her every day at 4 o'clock.
02:37And Lester had repeatedly tried to get a hold of Sally that day.
02:41And she wasn't answering.
02:44And he became concerned.
02:46So he asked his son, Jeff, to respond to the house.
02:51When the son got to the residence, the son heard what he thought was a gunshot.
02:56At that point, the son went to the neighbor's house and we received a 911 call.
03:01So my partner and I entered.
03:04I could hear a huge commotion.
03:07Yelling, screaming.
03:09You can kind of hear thumping.
03:11We can tell it was upstairs.
03:13We get to the top of the stairs.
03:14All I could see was a male facing away from us, laying in the hallway with his back to us.
03:19And a female standing in the hallway facing us.
03:22The female is covered in blood.
03:25There's an expandable baton on the ground that's bent.
03:28Looks like it's been used to hit either the female or the male.
03:33We don't know.
03:34There was blood spattered.
03:36There's a stun gun.
03:37There's bullets on the floor.
03:42Absolute chaos.
03:43We started giving commands as we normally would.
03:46You know, show us your hands.
03:49After telling everyone to stop, the male made a kind of this abrupt move.
03:55And although we didn't know who the suspect was, the male tends to be the aggressor in domestic violence.
04:02And given the fact that he's maybe trying to flee, trying to get out of there.
04:06My partner deployed his taser to subdue him.
04:10And I can hear the male yelling out about his child, asking, where is my daughter, type of verbiage.
04:19And the female who's standing in front of me points towards the bathroom.
04:24It's kind of eerie because there is a full-length mirror on that bathroom door.
04:30In the reflection, what I saw was another woman dressed in all black who appeared to be hiding in the
04:38bedroom.
04:39Now I've got an additional person.
04:42And at that point, I had the rest of that hallway to search.
04:48I still had a child to locate.
04:50Maybe more victims.
04:52Maybe more suspects.
04:54I ordered her out of the bedroom.
04:56That same moment, I can hear other officers coming in and coming up the stairs to assist.
05:02The male was handcuffed and escorted out of the house.
05:06They escort him to a patrol car and they do a pat search of him.
05:11He didn't have any weapons.
05:13The women are escorted out of the house as well.
05:18One female, she appears calm.
05:21The other woman, she's got some visible injuries to her.
05:26The male who has injuries, he's got redness all over his face, his head.
05:31He's swollen or starting to swell.
05:34He's been in a fight of some sort.
05:39My partner and I continued the search of the upstairs.
05:43And in the bathroom, we located the daughter, a two-year-old girl.
05:48She was handed over to one of the other responding officers who escorted her, took her outside, away from the
05:54residence.
05:56We didn't find anyone else in the house.
06:00We're trying to sort out who everybody is on scene.
06:03So, in talking to the two females on the curb line, we learned that one of them was Rosa Hill.
06:10The other female we identified as May Lee, Rosa's mom.
06:16We found out that Rosa was married to Eric Hill, who was the individual handcuffed in the police car.
06:23They were estranged at that point, but they were married, and we found out that they did have, at the
06:28time, a two-year-old child in common.
06:30Eric lives here with his daughter.
06:33The two-year-old ultimately went into their care of Child Protective Services for that night.
06:40It appeared to me that we potentially have one or two female victims of domestic violence, and this male suspect
06:51who has gotten into some sort of physical altercation with his wife.
06:56But we got to figure out what the facts are.
07:00And in talking to Eric while he's in the back of a patrol vehicle, he is frantic.
07:06He was concerned about it, his grandmother, Sally, and where she was.
07:11She's 91 years old.
07:13This was Sally's house, and she wasn't in the house.
07:17You can hear him talk about how she doesn't go anywhere, she doesn't drive, she's pretty much homebound, so she
07:25has to be somewhere in the residence.
07:28So, our group of folks searched through the residence again, tried to find Sally, but we didn't find her.
07:34Very quickly, we looked in the backyard, but once again, we did not see her.
07:40And we're starting to get concerned about where she might be.
07:44At that point, we basically seal the house off and make sure that there is no entry into that location.
07:51When walking through the hallway upstairs, there was blood strewn throughout the walls, there was a stun gun out there,
07:59there was bullets on the ground.
08:01It looked like two different calibers of bullets that were on the ground.
08:05Why is there all these weapons?
08:06This isn't just a domestic, regular domestic violence incident that occurred.
08:11There's something else that went down.
08:13And now, add in the fact that Sally is missing, the hair on the back of my neck is starting
08:19to stand up.
08:21When the officers conducted a search in the backyard, they found a backpack.
08:27And this backpack looked almost as if it was strategically placed underneath a wheelbarrow as to hide it or to
08:34set it up to go grab when needed.
08:39In that backpack were a set of handcuffs, a three-blade throwing star, a pocket saw, goggles, duct tape, rope,
08:48arrows for a crossbow gun.
08:52Why are these things here and how do they fit into the puzzle of this investigation?
08:56How were they either used in this crime already or how were they potentially staged at this location to be
09:04used at a later time?
09:08We asked Eric if the backpack belonged to him.
09:11We asked Rosa and May about the backpack and nobody involved in this is going to claim that that backpack
09:17belongs to them.
09:18And at that point in time, they do a path search of Rosa and May.
09:24And when they encounter Rosa, she happens to have a firearm in her pant pocket.
09:31Rosa said during the altercation that Eric produced a gun and threatened her.
09:35I said during the struggle that Eric dropped the gun and that she had picked it up.
09:41She said that she came to see her two-year-old baby and to talk about custody issues with Eric.
09:50When Rosa got there, the front door was left ajar.
09:56She goes in the house, saw that nobody was home, and waits for Eric.
10:04Her mother met her there because she was afraid of Eric.
10:08He had rage and she said that Eric attacks her and her mother.
10:12And she was able to acquire the firearm because he pointed at her.
10:17Also, Rosa and May never encountered Sally while in the house.
10:24But Eric was blaming both May and Rosa that they had come and they were attacking him.
10:29We know that Eric has injuries.
10:32We know that May has injuries.
10:35Rosa really didn't have any injuries at all.
10:37But all three individuals were taken and assessed medically.
10:42And then we're going to be on route to the station.
10:47We really started wondering what was going on here.
10:50And we knew we needed to keep digging deeper.
10:54We're getting two different stories and trying to navigate who our real suspect is.
10:59At the same time, finding Sally is extremely important.
11:03And we need to determine if she is related to the assault investigation that's going on at this house.
11:10This case was crazy, like nothing that I'd ever seen in my law enforcement career.
11:16We want to know if there was previous violence involved with Eric and Rosa.
11:21We all went to a lawyer to see about getting some visitation rights.
11:26I tell mom, no matter what, no matter what, don't open the door.
11:32There was a Google search of how to murder.
11:36This was not a spur-of-the-moment crime.
11:38This was really planned out.
11:53At this point in the investigation, multiple things are happening.
11:56There are several people doing several different things.
11:59We're searching that residence to try to find Sally.
12:02The property is rather large.
12:03I think it's about a half an acre.
12:05And I assigned officers to do a canvas of the area as well.
12:11At the same time, Rosa Hill, May Lee, and Eric Hill are being taken to the hospital to be treated
12:18for the injuries.
12:19While Rosa, May, and Eric were assessed medically,
12:22we want to know if there was previous violence involved with Eric and Rosa.
12:26And if there's anything that recently occurred that might have triggered this type of response.
12:33Eric's father, Greg, who was the son of Sally, lived out of state at the time.
12:39We called and we had a conversation with Greg Hill.
12:43And in talking to him, we found out that he already knew what was going on.
12:49I live out of state.
12:51And earlier that day, I got a call from Les, mom's boyfriend of many years.
12:57And he was just frantic.
12:59They always spoke on the phone on the days that they weren't together.
13:03That day, he was calling her and calling her and he couldn't get her.
13:07And he called me to say, you better come out here.
13:09Something's happened to Sally.
13:12He wasn't sure what.
13:13They couldn't find her.
13:16So, I had to fly to California.
13:20And Les had called his son to go over and check on my mom.
13:24And he had come to the house and they couldn't tell what was happening.
13:28And so, they called the police.
13:32And then, Les had called and said that Eric had been handcuffed and put in a patrol car.
13:39And I'm like, what?
13:44They couldn't tell by the way things were going down, whether Eric was the aggressor or what was happening.
13:52I was shocked, but not really.
13:56I mean, by that time, trouble was well afoot.
14:04In 2002, Eric was working for the Alameda County Social Services.
14:10That's where he met May.
14:12And May introduced him ultimately to Rosa, who was her daughter.
14:17Rosa had worked in Silicon Valley as an information technician.
14:23When Eric first mentioned meeting Rosa, he talked about how much fun they had, how smart Rosa was.
14:31They seemed to like some of the same things.
14:34Eric was very, very happy when he met Rosa.
14:39We learned that Eric Hill and Rosa Hill have been married since 2005.
14:47Eric did tell me that as soon as the wedding was over, everything changed.
14:53It was no longer the sweet woman that he'd fallen in love with.
14:59But Eric was extremely happy one year later when he found out that they were going to have a baby.
15:06He just couldn't wait.
15:08But when the baby was born, that's when trouble really became evident.
15:15Rosa was no longer working, so he took on a second job working nights at Walgreens.
15:21But it never seemed to be enough.
15:24Rosa was never happy.
15:28And then very soon after the baby was born, Rosa kicked Eric out.
15:35And he went out to Dublin and told my mother, who was his grandmother.
15:42And that was the beginning of his living with her.
15:48So at that point, Rosa wouldn't let him see the baby.
15:53And we all went to a lawyer with Eric to see about getting some visitation rights anyway.
16:02During the custody hearings, there were many things that each of them had to do.
16:07And part of it was to see a family mediator.
16:10And I know she didn't follow through with that.
16:14Rosa was told to get a job.
16:16She didn't get a job.
16:18She didn't do any of the things the judge told her.
16:21Over time, Eric was given more and more time with Elizabeth.
16:26That's when it got ugly.
16:28Rosa started making up stories around Eric molesting the baby.
16:37It was quite an ordeal for Eric to go through this, but he was cleared of all those allegations.
16:44And then Rosa called his work and said he issued threats and they wouldn't let him in the building.
16:51They did have to put him on suspension, but then after they investigated everything, he got his job back.
17:00At that point, Eric was given 85% physical custody and 100% legal custody.
17:09I was concerned for both Eric and my mother because Rosa was intent on making Eric's life hell.
17:16And I tell mom, no matter what, no matter what, don't open the door to Rosa.
17:23There's something wrong.
17:25Rosa and Eric are estranged.
17:28They have separated and Eric has received primary custody of their two-year-old.
17:35Why are these two females inside this house?
17:39We know that Sally Hill lives in this house.
17:42We know that there was an altercation upstairs, but we don't know where Sally is and we don't know what
17:47happened to her.
17:49We continued to look for Sally and kind of the last place that we hadn't searched yet was a shed
17:57that was on the side yard of the house.
18:00And it had a padlock, so it wasn't easily accessible.
18:05We went and got a bolt cutter and as we cut the padlock and opened it, our worst nightmares occurred.
18:21We continued to look for Sally, Eric's grandmother.
18:25She's 91 years old, lives in this house, and we can't find her.
18:30We opened the door to the shed in the backyard and we see a garbage can and we can see
18:39a human foot.
18:41And we all know that's Sally in the garbage can and our hearts dropped.
18:50She was found with a plastic bag over her head, wrapped in sheets, wrapped in rope.
18:57There had been no respect for her whatsoever.
19:04The coroner's office was summoned and they came out and removed her body.
19:09And we now know that we have a homicide investigation.
19:15After finding Sally, we know that there's no reason for Eric to harm his grandmother.
19:22So at this point, he was considered to be a victim in this incident and Rosa and Mae had no
19:30reason to go in that house without anybody's permission.
19:33We believe they are involved with Sally's murder, but we're still trying to figure things out.
19:46And at the same time, when one of the officers was doing a canvas of the neighborhood, he located a
19:50vehicle that was occupied by an Asian male.
19:54He was about a block away from the crime scene.
19:57He had moved his seat back and was slouched down in the vehicle, almost like he didn't want to be
20:04seen.
20:05He was identified as Ping Lee, the husband of Mae Lee and the father of Rosa.
20:11He tells us that his wife, Mae, had asked him to take her to the residence in Dublin, had asked
20:17him to drop her off about a block away.
20:21He knew that Sally lived there.
20:23He knew that his son-in-law was living there.
20:27And he also knew that Mae was going there to help out Rosa in some way.
20:32He denied knowing anything else, but we found it very strange that he would drop her off a block away,
20:39not in front of the house.
20:40And from where we found him, we know that he was able to see everything that happened.
20:45And still at no time does he exit his vehicle or come and contact the police to see what's going
20:50on.
20:51He has now potentially brought the suspect to this crime.
20:56And he's taken back to the station for interviewing.
21:03Detectives returned to the station to start conducting interviews of everybody involved.
21:10They had just gotten out of the hospital.
21:12Rosa really didn't have any injuries at all.
21:15And Mae suffered a small laceration on her head, requiring a couple stitches or more.
21:22Eric had laceration to his head, multiple taser probes.
21:27Eric had taser marks on the front of his body.
21:30Yes, Eric had been tased by our deputies.
21:33However, he was tased in the back.
21:36So it was definitely evident that he had also been tased by either Rosa or Mae.
21:44He had an injury to his throat.
21:46There was definitely some pressure that had been applied.
21:49You could see that there was redness and some swelling there as well.
21:52He basically was beaten all over the place.
21:57But going into Eric's interview, what I'm trying to find out is, step by step, how did this evolve to
22:03what it became?
22:06I really didn't think Rosa and Mae would do something like that.
22:11I thought things were finally getting normal until the very moment of the attack.
22:18I told the police when I first met Rosa.
22:20She was kind of shy.
22:22But once we started talking, I got to really see how smart she was.
22:27I got to become fascinated by her.
22:30But after we got married, Rosa started picking fights over everything.
22:35At a certain point, Rosa basically told me never to come back.
22:41And for about a year, she did not let me see my daughter.
22:46That was devastating.
22:48And that's why I had to start court proceedings.
22:53And I sued for 50-50 custody.
22:58Once I was granted some custody of my daughter, Rosa started getting really mean and vindictive.
23:05And when she made these accusations that I was abusing and molesting my daughter, I was dumbstruck.
23:14She did that, not because they were true, but because they would hurt me.
23:18And it worked.
23:22But by January of 2009, I had 85% fiscal custody and 100% legal custody.
23:30We kind of developed a routine with the custody, doing our handoffs and trades.
23:38And Mae was always the one that did the talking.
23:41Rosa just stood in the background.
23:43I thought they came to accept what was going on.
23:48And then the police let me know that they had found that my grandmother was dead.
23:58I broke down and cried.
24:01I definitely feel lucky to be alive.
24:12In talking to Eric, he was very emotional.
24:16And he had just gotten out of the hospital.
24:18He just got beat.
24:21And he was very much upset about his grandmother.
24:25She was always big on family, and she loved being her grandmother.
24:31I never dreamed that Rosa and Mae would do something like that.
24:39You could see his physical reaction recalling the events.
24:50In the morning, like any other day, I went to work.
24:54I got off at 5, and I went down to the daycare center and picked up my daughter and drove
25:02straight home the way I normally did.
25:04But when I got there, Les' son, Jeff, and his wife, Uda, were up by the front door.
25:14Les was the guy my grandmother was dating.
25:17And he had called multiple times, and she never answered the phone.
25:22He was really worried about my grandmother's welfare.
25:26Les, also in his 90s, sent his son, Jeff, to go and check on her.
25:35They stayed by the front door.
25:38I went upstairs, and I was carrying my daughter with me.
25:41By the time I got to my grandmother's room, I didn't see her.
25:48I heard a noise behind me.
25:52And I turned around, and I saw Mae in the hallway.
25:58And I was like, why are you here?
26:01And she said that my grandmother had called her because she needed help.
26:07Which made no sense, because my grandmother would have called a bunch of other people first.
26:11Mae said that my grandmother was down in the garage.
26:15I asked Mae to watch my daughter.
26:19I put her down, but as I was running out of the room, Rosa stepped out and hit me with
26:26a stun gun.
26:29Apparently, it made a loud noise because it scared Jeff and Uda, and they ran out and went over to
26:35the neighbor's house to call the police.
26:38Mae started hitting me with the baton, and Rosa was kicking me.
26:46When I started seeing blood dripping down my face, that's when I realized this is definitely a live-or-die
26:55moment.
26:56I started fighting back, but then they knocked me over onto my back.
27:03Mae was choking me with the baton.
27:06And at this moment, Rosa came out of the room with the gun and pointed it at my chest and
27:16told me to stop fighting.
27:22And at this point, I gave up.
27:34And, you know, they said, will you give up custody?
27:36And I said, yes.
27:40About this time is when I heard a siren outside.
27:47They would have killed me definitely if the cops hadn't shown up.
27:52In talking to Eric, everything was consistent, but it was very sad to have an individual recall these events.
28:01Of course, Eric was no longer being considered a suspect.
28:05So after his interview, we allowed him to leave.
28:10My phone rings, and it's Eric telling me they had found Sally's body.
28:16I could hardly take it in that this could actually happen.
28:21It was just a nightmare, a traumatic nightmare.
28:25And I had to take him over to the Division of Family Services so he could get the baby.
28:31It was a huge relief to finally see her again and be able to pick her up and hold her.
28:42At this point, Rosa and Mae are our prime suspects in this crime.
28:48Now, what we want to know is, why did they do this?
28:51Why did they have to kill Sally?
28:54Did she just get in the way?
28:55Was it on purpose?
28:57We need to continue to dig and find more evidence to tell what was really going on.
29:02At this point in the investigation, multiple things are happening.
29:05Detectives are interviewing Rosa, Mae, and Ping.
29:10Investigators are at the house conducting further analysis of the scene.
29:15And while doing another canvas of the area around Sally's residence, looking for anything
29:21or any evidence that may help in our case, we found an Acura Integra a block and a half
29:27away from our crime scene.
29:30A registration check of that vehicle came back to Mae Lee.
29:34And the keys to that Acura were found in Rosa's possession.
29:40That was definitely a vehicle of interest that we wanted to search further.
29:46Inside the Acura Integra, we found a hacksaw.
29:50We found a samurai sword.
29:51We found a crossbow.
29:53We found handcuffs.
29:55We found .22 caliber bullets.
29:57Finding all these just crazy pieces of evidence in vehicles and backpacks at the scene, this
30:04was not a spur-of-the-moment crime.
30:06This was really planned out.
30:09Also, the coroner's office did an autopsy of Sally.
30:13Her cause of death was found to be strangulation.
30:17She was also found to have lacerations to the head and to the hand, consistent with being
30:22struck with a metal object, we believe metal police baton, as well as puncture wounds, which
30:29we're able to associate to a taser.
30:35When we interview Mae, she immediately invokes her right to an attorney.
30:40So we don't question her any further.
30:42Ping just basically says that he had driven Mae to the scene and was waiting for Mae to resurface.
30:50Rosa still claimed that she was there with her mother, Mae, to confront him about child
30:57custody, have a conversation.
30:59Eric attacks her and her mother, and she is just merely trying to defend herself.
31:05But we share with Rosa that we're taking her into custody, that we're going to be taking
31:09her clothing, we're going to be taking her DNA, and no emotional response.
31:15Mae was also arrested for murder, and Ping Lee is arrested for accessory to murder.
31:24Based on the evidence that we have found throughout our investigation, this wasn't just a crime that
31:30just popped up and happened.
31:32This crime was planned out, but now we need to put all the pieces of the puzzle together
31:38to prove this case, and tell the story of why it happened.
31:43We identify that Rosa lived at a residence in Fremont, and that Mae and Ping lived at a residence
31:51in Antioch.
31:52So we authored search warrants for all of the residents that they were associated with.
31:59But nothing significant is located at either location.
32:05The residence in Antioch, it was weird because it didn't look like anybody had lived in there,
32:09so we were a little puzzled by that.
32:11So I'm like, I'm going to check one of our databases to see if they have any previous
32:15residences that they might be staying at still.
32:18So I learned that there was a Brentwood address that we had no prior knowledge of.
32:23And I reached out to the U.S. Postal Inspector, and all three of them, Rosa, Mae, and Ping,
32:29were receiving mail at the Brentwood location.
32:33Get a search warrant for the Brentwood house, and that's where we just discover just a plethora
32:38of evidence.
32:41It was like a goldmine.
32:54We served the search warrant at the Brentwood residence, and as soon as we breached that
32:58door, it was a goldmine full of evidence.
33:04We found the boxes from the tasers.
33:07There were receipts to items that were found at the crime scene.
33:11There was a computer, and the computer was collected and taken to a forensic lab.
33:18To see what kind of searches were done, we found writings that were directly linked to Eric
33:25and to Sally.
33:27Some were up in the master bedroom, some were down in common areas like the kitchen.
33:32There was a list of troublemakers where Sally's name was listed, along with Eric's.
33:41There was one note, a revenge for Rosa, which to me meant that revenge was going to be against
33:49Eric, the one that was taking custody away from Rosa.
33:54Another note that we found said crime equals desire, ability, and opportunity.
34:01We found notes where they were stalking Eric, what time he got home, what time he left, when
34:09he went somewhere.
34:10So they knew that they would encounter Sally.
34:13So they had to have a plan on how that was going to occur before they took out Eric.
34:20Eric.
34:21So after we conclude collecting all the evidence at the Brentwood address, we wanted more evidence
34:28to help bolster our case.
34:30We want to know where these weapons were obtained, who made those purchases, and when they were
34:36purchased.
34:37TASERS, they have serial numbers.
34:39So in contacting TASER about the one that was left at the crime scene, they informed us
34:46where the TASERS were purchased.
34:47And we did some follow-up there with the individual who sold the TASER.
34:53He described selling the two particular TASERS to an older Asian female.
35:01The purchase occurred about two weeks or so before Sally's murder and the violent attack on Eric.
35:11And then in follow-up, we were able to determine that anybody who purchases a TASER has to pay
35:18like an activation fee.
35:19So in looking up the associated serial numbers to the two TASERS that were purchased, the credit card
35:26that was used belonged to Mei Li.
35:30This solidifies that Mei was involved with this murder plan from the beginning.
35:39Next, these firearms, where did they come from?
35:42Looking at the serial numbers, we were able to determine that one of the firearms was purchased
35:48at a gun show in Nevada.
35:49We were able to make contact with the individual that sold it.
35:53And in talking to him, we found out that he remembered quite clearly the individuals that
35:59he sold his firearm to.
36:01And it was to two Asian females who he described as lucky if they were 100 pounds wet.
36:09Rosa and Mei went to the gun show in October, way before the crime actually occurred.
36:15And as we continue to investigate, we learned that Rosa went to Reno before that.
36:23We were able to identify a co-worker of hers that took a trip with her to Reno a couple
36:29months prior to the homicide.
36:31And she made some odd purchases at a sporting goods store, two samurai swords and a bow and
36:40arrow set.
36:42And we ended up finding those inside Rosa's car that was left on scene.
36:53And then we get the results from the forensic lab on the computer.
36:57And the first thing that just jumps off the paper is a Google search of how to murder.
37:11There were several other things that were found on that computer, confusion in elderly,
37:16medications that are used for the elderly, things that would really relate or show maybe
37:23what was planned to happen to Sally.
37:27Rose had developed a hatred of my grandmother because as I was starting to win in the courts,
37:35she assumed that my grandmother was paying for the attorney, which was not true.
37:40It was clear that they had put all the blame on Eric and Sally for the custody issues.
37:49And the contents of the backpack definitely, they spoke to what their mindset was.
37:55You could definitely call it a murder kit, a hostage kit.
38:02They brought that there with full intent to use on Sally and Eric.
38:08What are you doing?
38:19So in looking at the evidence recovered from the Brentwood residence, it is clear that this
38:25murder was premeditated.
38:28There was a letter found which was titled Operation Custody, a plan to basically murder Sally
38:37and Eric, to gain full custody of Rosa and Eric's daughter.
38:46The plan began in fall of 2008 when Rosa becomes obsessed with gaining full custody of her daughter
38:54and will do anything to make it happen.
38:56She and her mother, May, named their plot Operation Custody.
39:00Over the following months, they look at ways to commit and get away with murder.
39:05First they researched deadly substances including arsenic, cyanide, strychnine, mustard gas and ammonia.
39:13After deciding against poisons or toxins, the pair began amassing an alarming cache of weapons
39:20from guns and tasers to a samurai sword and crossbow.
39:24They then assemble their kill kit and decide to execute their plan.
39:29On the day of the murder, they drive to my house planning to murder Sally and me.
39:35Once inside the residence, Rosa and May beat and strangle Sally to death, stuff her body
39:40into a garbage can and lie in wait for Eric to come home.
39:44When Eric arrived at home, they ambush him and begin using the baton and tasers.
39:51And after all that, they planned to kill Eric.
39:54Which they thought would result in Rosa being granted full custody.
40:04This plan was so intricate and it all fell apart because Lester really cared about my grandmother.
40:10If he wouldn't have called Jeff Annuda and if they hadn't shown up and called the cops,
40:17May and Rosa would have gotten away with it.
40:19I definitely feel like I've been blessed on that front.
40:26Two years later, in 2011, May and Rosa stood trial for the murder of Sally Hill and attempted murder of
40:38Eric Hill.
40:40They were convicted.
40:42An Antioch woman and her mother were convicted today in the killing of a 91-year-old great-grandmother.
40:48Selma Hill's body was found stuffed into a garbage can.
41:01The callousness behind this plan was something that I've never seen in my now 30-year career.
41:09When it comes to people getting divorced or child custody issues, people lose their mind.
41:18But for a family to be involved in the actual execution of a murder plan is unique.
41:39I have to say that as bad as this experience was, my daughter's done well, great kid who's been my
41:49best friend.
41:51She's been able to have a better relationship with my side of the family, which I don't know if she
41:56ever would have had this not happened.
41:59I just try to focus on the good.
42:14I have great memories of my mom, wonderful memories.
42:18I love my mom's smile, I love my mom's heart.
42:22She was always empathizing with me and everybody else.
42:28Pull it all together, she was amazing.
42:33I was lucky, I was lucky, very lucky.
42:39I was lucky, very lucky.
42:42I was lucky, very lucky.
42:44You
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