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En la emisión del 11 de agosto de 2017 del programa El diario de Mariana de eltrece, Fabio Zerpa detalló su investigación sobre el caso de Dionisio Llanca, un camionero de 25 años que afirmó haber sido abducido en Bahía Blanca en 1973.
Detalles principales de la investigación
- Investigación multidisciplinaria: El caso fue analizado por una junta de nueve médicos, psiquiatras y psicólogos organizada por Zerpa.
- Pruebas científicas: Se realizaron 16 sesiones de hipnosis y se aplicó el "suero de la verdad" (pentotal sódico) en tres ocasiones para validar el testimonio del testigo.
- Relato de la abducción: Llanca narró que a la 1:30 a.m. vio una luz intensa y fue abordado por dos hombres y una mujer que lo llevaron dentro de una nave tras realizarle una incisión en la mano.
- Interacción dentro de la nave: Describió haber caminado por un "haz de luz" y visto pantallas donde reconoció la Tierra. Mencionó que la mujer extraterrestre usó un guante negro con punzones para golpearlo en la ceja y realizarle otra incisión.
- Fenómeno físico: Llanca afirmó ver cables saliendo de la nave hacia un arroyo y una línea de alta tensión, lo que coincidió con un corte de luz reportado en Bahía Blanca esa noche.
- Consecuencias: Al despertar, el camionero sufrió amnesia temporal, no recordaba su nombre ni su ubicación, aunque manifestaba un estado de serenidad absoluta.
Fabio Zerpa utilizó este caso para sostener su postura de que la existencia de OVNIs no es una cuestión de "creencia", sino de evidencia obtenida a través de la investigación.
Detalles principales de la investigación
- Investigación multidisciplinaria: El caso fue analizado por una junta de nueve médicos, psiquiatras y psicólogos organizada por Zerpa.
- Pruebas científicas: Se realizaron 16 sesiones de hipnosis y se aplicó el "suero de la verdad" (pentotal sódico) en tres ocasiones para validar el testimonio del testigo.
- Relato de la abducción: Llanca narró que a la 1:30 a.m. vio una luz intensa y fue abordado por dos hombres y una mujer que lo llevaron dentro de una nave tras realizarle una incisión en la mano.
- Interacción dentro de la nave: Describió haber caminado por un "haz de luz" y visto pantallas donde reconoció la Tierra. Mencionó que la mujer extraterrestre usó un guante negro con punzones para golpearlo en la ceja y realizarle otra incisión.
- Fenómeno físico: Llanca afirmó ver cables saliendo de la nave hacia un arroyo y una línea de alta tensión, lo que coincidió con un corte de luz reportado en Bahía Blanca esa noche.
- Consecuencias: Al despertar, el camionero sufrió amnesia temporal, no recordaba su nombre ni su ubicación, aunque manifestaba un estado de serenidad absoluta.
Fabio Zerpa utilizó este caso para sostener su postura de que la existencia de OVNIs no es una cuestión de "creencia", sino de evidencia obtenida a través de la investigación.
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00:00That was what left me most satisfied.
00:03And I did that program because I always worked as a tattoo artist, six months and then I'd leave
00:08People wanted me kicked off the channel
00:12But no, it was that I decided to end the cycle
00:17Because sometimes, well, back then
00:19The image was taking a toll on television.
00:23Here too, now too, but it doesn't matter
00:24That's the only difference
00:28Fabio, something happened to you that made your life take a turn
00:32it isn't true?
00:32So, why did you start believing in extraterrestrials?
00:34With such passion, why did you dedicate your life to researching this topic?
00:39You know, Mariana, that I don't believe
00:42I don't believe in extraterrestrials
00:44I don't believe in men
00:45as?
00:46You know they exist
00:47I affirm that men exist and that there were extraterrestrials.
00:49because?
00:51through the path of research
00:53when I saw that man in 1959
00:56which was
00:58with an impact on awareness
01:00For me it was a time-consuming thing
01:02Did you see the UFO?
01:02Because you tell it in the book
01:03But for those who haven't read it yet
01:06Were you on a plane?
01:08that they were filming some scenes
01:09for a
01:10How, how, how?
01:11You were on a plane, right?
01:12On a plane, yes
01:13And does it appear to you?
01:15They were like they were piloting the plane
01:16because they were scenes
01:17You were with a pilot
01:18who acted as your double
01:20Let's say, something like that
01:21I read that the UFO appears to them
01:25no no
01:26Let me tell you the story
01:28How was it?
01:29give it
01:32my experience at that time
01:34It was half past twelve
01:36midday
01:37a sunny day
01:38total
01:38We were with Captain Alexis
01:40from Nogar
01:41of the Air Force
01:41at about 1500 meters high
01:44more or less
01:45I already won it
01:46Maybe in these headphones
01:49And suddenly Alexis tells me
01:52Look at what you have on your left
01:53and beyond the tail
01:55of our plane
01:57An elongated device arrived
01:59in total silence
02:03it stopped
02:04It didn't fall
02:05force prevailed
02:06gravity
02:08This means that
02:10There was a technology
02:12completely different
02:13after it stopped
02:14It made an angle of 60 degrees
02:17and the law prevailed
02:18of inertia
02:18and all in total silence
02:21And I asked
02:23the question
02:24that saved my life
02:25What is this, Alexis?
02:28This is a flying saucer
02:29because the aviators
02:30They had seen him a lot
02:31for normal fire
02:33natural
02:33I had already seen others
02:34and at that moment
02:39I said look
02:39for some
02:40They are extraterrestrial spacecraft
02:41and for others
02:43the secret weapon
02:43of some power
02:44We're talking
02:45of the year 59
02:47full Cold War
02:48And there was a question mark.
02:50with Russia
02:52with China
02:53with Korea
02:54but then
02:55It was ruled out
02:56that possibility
02:57because it said
02:57the secret weapon
02:59most popular in the world
03:01that fills minutes
03:02television
03:03radio
03:04magazine pages
03:06and daily
03:07and I began
03:09to investigate
03:10and it came out in me
03:11what I always was
03:13as a child
03:13that I talked about it so much
03:15with your grandfather
03:16to your grandfather
03:17He liked it a lot
03:18the topic
03:18Yeah
03:18to my grandfather
03:19He loved it
03:20He was a fanatic
03:20Yeah
03:21He believed so much
03:23it came out in me
03:24the investigation
03:26the investigation
03:29is walking
03:30along the way
03:30from the middle
03:31do not accept
03:33by accepting
03:34the belief
03:35per se
03:36It needs to be investigated
03:39and not deny
03:40for denying
03:41my colleagues
03:41university
03:42deny
03:44and never
03:44they investigated
03:45They didn't bother
03:46never
03:46in research
03:47this problem
03:48And there are plenty.
03:49of scientists
03:50in the world
03:52scientists
03:52friends like
03:54my great friend
03:55Dr. Jacques Vallée
03:57astronomer
03:57of the Sorbonne
03:58from Paris
03:59and advisor
04:00from NASA
04:00that he saw a UFO
04:02at 19 years old
04:03and began to investigate
04:04And he was honest.
04:06with himself
04:07and with science
04:08said
04:09this does not have
04:10nothing to do with it
04:11with the terrestrial
04:12This is from another place.
04:13we created the word
04:15extraterrestrial
04:15which doesn't mean
04:17that he is a Martian
04:18or copierian
04:20extraterrestrial
04:21means
04:21beyond
04:22of the terrestrials
04:23beyond
04:24of our knowledge
04:25beyond
04:26of culture
04:26now Fabio
04:27to feed
04:28to the people
04:32that he likes
04:32this topic
04:33or to those who don't believe
04:35on this
04:36you count
04:37several stories
04:38in your book
04:39things
04:40that you have corroborated
04:41with witnesses
04:42and so on
04:42that have occurred
04:43really
04:44For example
04:47I don't know which one
04:48we chose to tell
04:49but let's say
04:49of experiences
04:50of people
04:51with extraterrestrials
04:52or of people
04:52which has been
04:52abducted
04:53also
04:53because my first
04:54that I have
04:55to convince
04:55it's me
04:57Because you see
04:58you are coming
04:59Mariana
04:59And you tell me
05:00that you saw
05:00It's a UFO
05:01forgive me
05:02Mariana
05:02I'll start for you
05:03to investigate
05:04because I
05:05I don't think so
05:06what you say
05:06until I
05:07meeting
05:08the guidelines
05:09of behavior
05:10Yes
05:11It's a ship
05:12extraterrestrial
05:13and how it is investigated
05:14clear
05:15first
05:15or which case
05:16Do you want to tell?
05:16Tell us about a case
05:17of all those who
05:18you recount in the book
05:19who was the one who most
05:20it shocked you
05:22There is the one of the man
05:23on the route
05:24that had the marks
05:25in the car
05:28who claims to have been
05:29in contact
05:30with extraterrestrial beings
05:32and that he had
05:34also brands
05:34No?
05:39the number of people
05:40says he doesn't see
05:41the witnesses
05:42It doesn't matter
05:42Fabio Serpa
05:45saw
05:45or has contact
05:46with extraterrestrial
05:47I have to be
05:47researcher
05:48and always be
05:50with the mind
05:51clear
05:53open
05:54and objective
05:55to see
05:55the problem
05:56from the outside
05:58I don't think so
05:59for believing
06:00and not
06:01and I don't deny
06:02for denying
06:04I investigate
06:04and then
06:05that I investigate
06:06I find myself
06:07with reality
06:08of all this problem
06:09what is
06:10enormously
06:11important
06:11Look, I'm going to ask you
06:12exactly
06:12what I want you to tell me
06:13because I wrote it down
06:15this way
06:15the case
06:16Llancas
06:17is
06:18tires
06:18Llancas
06:19was
06:20that may be the case
06:20Llancas
06:22enormously
06:23Look, I'm going to ask you
06:24exactly
06:24what I want you to tell me
06:26because I wrote it down
06:27this way
06:27the case
06:28Llancas
06:29is
06:30tires
06:31Llancas
06:31was
06:32Could this be the case with Yancas?
06:35The world prize.
06:37That's what I want you to tell me.
06:39The world prize for best research.
06:42God gave me the opportunity.
06:46I went to Bahía Blanca and suddenly I came across a truly exceptional case.
06:51A simple 25-year-old truck driver whom we administered the Rosas, Phyllis, and Riven tests to in the investigation.
07:00to really investigate whether he was lying about what he was saying
07:05that he had lived inside an alien spacecraft.
07:10Ah, he went to the men.
07:11They had moved three people, two men and a woman.
07:15The number two typology, the medium ones, those who are our height
07:20from one meter forty to two meters.
07:22There are the little ones, the little green dwarfs that people call them.
07:26And there are the tall ones, from two meters to four and a half meters tall.
07:33because I investigated a case in Spain that was four meters fifty.
07:38And it's perfectly logical because science supports it.
07:42And I had the opportunity with that truck driver; he gave me the opportunity to train
07:48the most important investigative board in the world, Mariana.
07:54Nine doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, entonalytic doctors.
08:02Then, nine doctors investigated and we gave him 16 hypnosis sessions.
08:09And when we got to number 16...
08:12But what did Fabio say?
08:13Guys, there's nothing else to it, because he always repeated the same thing.
08:16What did he keep repeating? Tell me what he said.
08:19What did he keep repeating that he had experienced?
08:21As?
08:22What did he keep saying he had experienced?
08:24What did he say had happened to him?
08:28Please allow me a second.
08:30Yeah.
08:31So the question is whether there was something deeper to investigate.
08:35I had appointed the forensic doctor, Dr. Ricardo Smignoff,
08:40police doctor of a country,
08:42He tells him, look, Fabio, we can only do the truth.
08:46Intravenous sodium pentothal
08:50that we can grow, which is what we sometimes do in the police force.
08:56We did three pentotals,
08:58that we are the only investigation that was done on three pentothals.
09:02And he kept saying the same thing.
09:05In other words, it's something they inject into him.
09:06The famous truth serum.
09:08Did you know?
09:10Blanca's case is incredibly rich.
09:12Thank you so much for asking me that.
09:17He was fixing a flat tire in Bordeaux,
09:24about 20 kilometers south of Bahía Blanca,
09:27with his truck, with his truck.
09:29And suddenly he sees a Nasdaq coming,
09:32Everything lights up as if it were two o'clock in the morning,
09:35at one thirty in the morning.
09:39And suddenly the astonished man turns around and sees two men and a woman.
09:49They take him and carry him inside a flying saucer
09:55after making an incision that he had between his thumb and forefinger.
10:01And they carry it, because of what I baptized,
10:06I was the first researcher to realize the reality of compact and coherent light beams.
10:12That's not made of lights, those are columns of light.
10:17In which the woman goes in front, the two men take him to Dionysus
10:25And they walk along those paths of light.
10:29In hypnosis we tell him,
10:31But they burned your feet with that.
10:33No, no, no.
10:35No, I'm not hot at all.
10:36And furthermore, he gazed into the hypnotic fantasy,
10:42He looked at me and said, I see the floor,
10:45I see the ground, I see the grass.
10:47It's a beam of light that four people walk on.
10:50of an anthropomorphic entity that is like us,
10:54They walk through a tree that is transparent,
10:57which is solid
10:59And they walk along and take him inside a ship.
11:05There he sees a whole number of televisions,
11:10Let's say, to put it simply,
11:12with a number of screens
11:14and suddenly recognizes planet Earth
11:20which is focused on planet Earth.
11:24They sit him in the middle
11:28And suddenly the woman who was wearing orange gloves,
11:33All the aliens had orange gloves on their hands,
11:38She takes off one glove and puts on a black glove.
11:41that had some kind of finches down here.
11:46He approaches him
11:48And because he was afraid, he dodged like that.
11:52and the alien hits her with one of the punches
11:57on the left supraorbital arch
12:00and it causes a bruise
12:03Mr. Dionisio Zanca had a hematoma.
12:07And then she adjusts his head
12:10and he places an incision here that he also has on his head.
12:16And there, as a hypothesis, it is not a thesis,
12:19We don't have complete certainty.
12:21We're left with that question.
12:24They give him amnesia within amnesia.
12:28Because he starts to say
12:32everything that nothing in retrospect
12:35It's just that he doesn't say anything about what they did to him inside the flying saucer.
12:41So he said all that under hypnosis.
12:42After 45 minutes
12:43And we know exactly why 45 minutes.
12:48He also sees inside man
12:51before they make that incision, sorry,
12:54Something very important is coming up for him.
12:56He sees that he entered the ship through the same place.
13:01It opens and two kinds of cables come out.
13:07One that the little one gives,
13:09the small water,
13:12a nearby rice field that was next to the road
13:15and another one takes the high-voltage cable.
13:21and there is an overload
13:23and she loses power, what a white face,
13:27between 1:30 and 2:40.
13:29Oh, look at that, incredible.
13:30And that coincides with his account.
13:32So, they're not so peaceful then?
13:34Because he hit him on the head.
13:37What did they want to study?
13:38What is the theory as to why he made that incision?
13:42I think these extraterrestrials are what we call scientists.
13:48who study both the planet and human beings.
13:54And in this case, they caught Dionisio.
13:59with his...
14:01practically a very, very, very low capacity
14:04because the three psychological tests showed
14:08who didn't have that much mental development, let's say,
14:12nor psychological
14:13to talk about everything he talked about.
14:18Uh-huh.
14:20How incredible.
14:20And after that,
14:22him,
14:23The gate opens again
14:26And they place it and the beam of light comes out.
14:29And it goes down.
14:29And this time the beam of light behaves,
14:31Look at this!
14:33behaves,
14:34They place it horizontally.
14:37and that beam of light lowers it
14:39as if it were an elevator.
14:41And Dr. Ricardo de Minof,
14:43who at that moment had the hypnotic command,
14:46No, Dr. Eladio Santos had it.
14:50the hypnotist from the University of the South.
14:55Says,
14:57Well, but you fell.
14:58No, no, no, very gently.
15:00He wakes up,
15:02He doesn't know his name
15:03and doesn't know where he is
15:04and sees some lights in the distance
15:06which is Bahía Blanca.
15:09He doesn't know what Bahía Blanca is.
15:11Ah.
15:12He's leaving.
15:13Start running,
15:15this,
15:17He is shocked,
15:18but not,
15:18He's not scared,
15:20let's say.
15:21He is not aware of it either.
15:22Because he later in the investigation
15:23he told us
15:24that everything that,
15:25that he felt very calm,
15:28very calm,
15:29that they didn't do anything to him
15:31that he felt bad.
15:33that he felt bad.
15:33Thank you.
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