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00:00I do think Andrew Barry did a good job of getting us a little bit of flexibility.
00:05Couldn't help it.
00:06Because before it was like offensive line, offensive line, offensive line.
00:08And I got to tell you, I just got to read more.
00:12I need more.
00:13I need more affirmation.
00:15I know a lot of fans.
00:16Jason Lloyd is in for Anthony today.
00:18I don't know what he is staring at over on his computer screen right now.
00:21I'm trying to read the screen.
00:22Oh, you want to pick the callers?
00:24No, I don't.
00:25Look in the call logo there for me.
00:27Go ahead and pick the callers.
00:28And say those words.
00:29Oh, thank you.
00:30That's what he was reading.
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00:41I just need to do a little bit more research, phones.
00:48The Monroe Freeling thing going up to six.
00:51It's like, oh boy.
00:54Feels like you're forcing it.
00:56And I'm not against it.
00:58I'm not saying horrible things yet.
01:01He is a natural left tackle.
01:03Definitely, that's where he plays.
01:05But I don't know if I just want to take a guy at six and force the issue just because
01:10he's a natural left tackle.
01:11Well, that comes down to the question of need versus best available.
01:16Exactly.
01:17Well, I mean, because I think a lot of us look at it and go, hey, I'm an offensive line
01:19guy.
01:20I'm an offensive line, defensive line.
01:23And I see a guy and I go, man, if we can get ourselves a plug and play offensive lineman
01:27and left tackle for the next 12 years, that'd be amazing.
01:32But how many guys anymore plug and play left tackles?
01:35And I think we seriously need to consider, and this is what I think Andrew Berry was.
01:39I'm hoping it works out with the offensive line, at least to some level of success.
01:44Because if he went out there and he got some decent offensive linemen and they can cohabitate and can work
01:49together and keep guys protected.
01:51And George Warhop does a good job with him.
01:53It's not that we're laughing, but all right, might make it a little bit easier to go Carnell Tate.
01:58Might make it a little bit easier to go Mekhi Lemon.
02:01Might make it a little bit easier to go with maybe another position other than just offensive line.
02:06Might make it a little bit easier to go, dare I say, damn defense.
02:10Because you do want to go, quote unquote, best player available.
02:14So it does give you a little bit of flexibility.
02:17I do agree with Mary Kay, and I think you might too.
02:19I want to get to the phones here in a second.
02:21What I think this week also allows them to do, not just flexibility of drafting a position,
02:27also, and you need a team to be willing to move up, but also moving out of that number six
02:31spot and gaining more assets.
02:33I think that's the, if I had to bet right now, what are they going to do?
02:37That's what they plan to do?
02:38Trade down.
02:38That's what I think they would like to do.
02:40Now you need a partner.
02:42And if the goal is, if the goal is a 27-1, you really got to go down.
02:48Like really, like you're talking Julio Jones trade all over again.
02:51You got to be hoping, if you're the Browns, and maybe this is part of it.
02:54You know, I'm sitting there going, no, no, no Ty Simpson.
02:57Please, no Ty.
02:58Oh, the world's coming in.
03:00Oh, God, high cholesterol.
03:03You got to talk up the Ty Simpson thing.
03:06You got to get it out there.
03:07And maybe some team, because to me, it's hard to make big jumps for other positions.
03:15Which is what made last year so remarkable.
03:16Very, it's much easier to make, you're right, and it's much easier to make a big jump for a position
03:21like a quarterback like Ty Simpson.
03:23And if you can get a team that wants to go up and get them, and you know what, say,
03:28good luck.
03:28That's fine by me.
03:30You want to give up a first rounder to go up and you take Ty Simpson, brother, you go right
03:33on ahead.
03:33So if they want to talk up Ty Simpson, there's a lot of me that winces.
03:36Just because.
03:37Well, and the Browns need a quarterback.
03:40I know.
03:41And you're trading out to give somebody else.
03:42I know.
03:43Well, they could just, I'm hoping that I've prepared for that because, call it what it is, I think a
03:50lot of people around the league would look at you and go, yeah, that's the Browns.
03:54Of course, they're not going to take a quarterback when the quarterback's staring them right in the face.
03:57They're going to go force it with Shedore Sanders or God knows who.
04:00What's amazing, history has indicated the best place to find a quarterback in the NFL to lead your franchise is
04:05the top of the first round.
04:07And the Browns now will have consecutive picks in the top ten.
04:09And if they don't take a quarterback at either spot when they desperately needed a quarterback, that's just kind of
04:14amusing.
04:15Is it not?
04:15But you could look at a team who, that is amusing, but you could also make the argument going, okay,
04:20they moved out.
04:21They're not ready to support that quarterback right now.
04:24No, the Patriots weren't ready to support Drake May.
04:26It worked out all right for them.
04:28I'm trying to give an argument against taking Ty Simpson here, okay?
04:32I understand what you're saying.
04:34Do you think that Ty Simpson's as good as Drake May?
04:38No.
04:39Okay.
04:40So that's a big difference.
04:41I also think nobody took Jackson Dart seriously last year.
04:44Nobody around here.
04:45I don't think Jackson Dart's out of the woods, though, Jason.
04:47Well, but the Giants are celebrating that they have a franchise quarterback.
04:50Are they right or are they wrong?
04:51I don't know.
04:52Okay, as long as his brains aren't oatmeal by the end of next year.
04:54If Jackson Dart was a quarterback here, would you have concerns for whether or not the Browns have found their
04:58quarterback?
04:58Or would you be celebrating?
04:59I still would.
04:59Yes, I still would.
05:00I think you'd be running up and down East 9th Street with your shirt off.
05:02I don't run.
05:03You'd be walking briskly.
05:04And I don't take my shirt off in public.
05:06Like, no, it's not because of me.
05:07It's because I know no one wants to see that.
05:10But you hear what I'm saying.
05:11Like, the Giants love Jackson Dart.
05:15Part of the reason Jim Harbaugh is in New York is Jackson Dart.
05:18Listen, he's got arm talent, obviously, and I do think he's a swordsman when he's out there on the field.
05:23And I'm just guilty of this.
05:24My only point is, last year, nobody had the Jackson Dart conversation.
05:28Nobody thought he was worth taking.
05:30And now look.
05:30I got to tell you, man, the history with these quarterbacks in this city, the history with Baker.
05:36I still go back to Baker.
05:38I mean, I fawned over Baker after year one.
05:41Everybody did.
05:42And then year two was such a disaster.
05:44Year three was better, but I thought it taught me a hard lesson.
05:47And then year four, obviously, the wheels come off.
05:50But when I got that history fresh in my mind, yeah, they might take a guy I really like.
05:57There's a couple guys, obviously, everybody likes.
06:01I'm still going to be Leary going into year two.
06:04More tape, eight months offseason.
06:07I don't disagree with that.
06:08I'm still going to be kind of soft-pedaling it before I go anointing guys because I'm going to have
06:13Baker in the back of my head.
06:14And that's fair.
06:15There's a shared responsibility there, man.
06:17When you talk about a franchise that's needed a quarterback for 30 years, they've had two picks.
06:20Like, I can't remember the number now.
06:22I've said it to you a million times.
06:23You ain't looking for a quarterback anymore.
06:24You're looking for a messiah.
06:25It puts a lot of pressure on that guy.
06:27Well, it does.
06:28But the Browns have used a top-ten pick on a quarterback, what, twice since 99?
06:33Mm-hmm.
06:34Baker and Tim Pouch.
06:35I'm not afraid of using a high pick on a quarterback.
06:36I'm just saying, a team that has – the Browns have tried to reverse-engineer a franchise quarterback for 30
06:41years.
06:42It's never really worked.
06:43It's never really worked.
06:44And they're doing it again.
06:45It's not that I'm afraid to use a high pick on a QB.
06:49When we get to 2027 and there's supposed to be four or five guys, hopefully there are.
06:53Hopefully it doesn't turn out like the 2026 draft.
06:55If you've got four or five guys there and you're picking fifth or whatever, yeah, you want to move up,
07:00move up.
07:00You want to take your guy, take your guy.
07:02That's fine.
07:03I'm just pointing out, yeah, there might be some days if the guy throws for 340 and they win, I'm
07:08going to be celebrating.
07:08Even if they throw for 340 and they lose, I'm like, hey, you're just looking like a really good QB.
07:12Right.
07:13I know I'm an excitable person, but my memory of Baker ain't going to be that shot.
07:18I got to kind of pull back a little bit.
07:21Yeah, and that's reasonable.
07:23Because I think Baker could have been a quality quarterback for you.
07:26You gave him too much power way too soon.
07:28He messed up.
07:29You messed up.
07:30I can't just forget that.
07:32I'm not trying to scare everybody.
07:33I'm not trying to live in my fears.
07:34I'm just trying to be honest here.
07:37Who do you want me to take?
07:38I know you were staring at the phone.
07:39I was just trying to see.
07:40I don't care.
07:41Who do you want me to take?
07:41Come on.
07:42I don't care.
07:42I know what you want.
07:43Click on someone.
07:44It doesn't matter.
07:44Hey, this guy reminds me.
07:46This guy backs me up on this.
07:48Chris in Chicago.
07:49He's listening on the Free Odyssey app.
07:50Hello.
07:51Hey, guys.
07:52Hey, before I get to my football take, so I went to Miami, right?
07:57But I'm a big fan of Ohio.
07:59I'm a big fan of the MAAC.
08:01Can I root for another MAAC team like Kent or Akron to win the MAAC tourney, and Miami
08:07will still make it into the big game?
08:09You've got to root for Miami just to make sure.
08:11There's too much conversation about only one team getting in.
08:14And if Miami does not get in, if somebody else wins this tournament, and Miami does not
08:18get in, I think you could have very, very, very bad things that could be happening
08:22to the MAAC after this.
08:23Because I'm very nervous about that.
08:25Because if you're Miami, you're going, wow, we're 31-0, and we can't get in.
08:28Maybe we need to be looking for some other places.
08:30And Rob Cinderhoff's not related to any of them.
08:33That's right.
08:34You know, you mess up one thing.
08:35You mess up one thing.
08:36I got Keith saying, oh, my neighbor texted me.
08:39Isn't it his job to know?
08:40No, it's not my job to know.
08:41It's not my job to know.
08:43It's John's job to tell me.
08:44How do you like that?
08:46That's pretty funny.
08:47Anyway, you know, I guess my original take was I'm not really interested in Kyler Murray.
08:53But also, you know, I'm an old-school Browns fan.
08:56I was at the Red-Right 88 game.
08:58I'm that old.
09:00So if you guys had any questions from an old Browns fan, ask away.
09:05Jason's that old?
09:06Why would I just add Jason?
09:09I'm older than Jason, although my kids are a little younger.
09:11You sound younger than Jason.
09:12That's interesting.
09:13How old are you?
09:15In July, I'll be 58.
09:17Oh, yeah.
09:17You're older than me.
09:18You sound young.
09:19Yeah, that's right.
09:20Thanks.
09:20Well, you know, Jason, you'd appreciate this.
09:22I've told Ken this before.
09:23I'm old enough to actually went to a few Cleveland NHL games at the Coliseum.
09:27Oh, wow.
09:29Yeah.
09:29But anyway.
09:31You are old.
09:32I know.
09:34I'm about 58.
09:35So you feel the same way I feel about Kyler Murray, though?
09:38Yeah.
09:39I just don't think it's.
09:40Like, Ken, your good phrase with all this is you don't want to waste anybody.
09:44You don't want to waste time, and that's my thought.
09:45He's a waste of time.
09:46But would you be interested in him next year?
09:50No.
09:50Okay.
09:51I'm not a fan of his.
09:52Okay.
09:53Then you're not in the same boat as Ken.
09:54Ken doesn't want him now.
09:55If the Browns were coming off of it.
09:56He wants him to marinate for a year.
09:57Okay, Chris, that's not it.
09:59That's not the truth.
10:01That's not the truth.
10:02That's what you said.
10:02I'll tell you the truth.
10:03He wants more seasoning.
10:04That's what you said.
10:05Chris, thank you very much for the call.
10:06You sound like a very young 58.
10:09Hopefully, we all have that.
10:11But my issue is, if the Browns were coming off of like 7-10 or 8-9, and there are
10:18teams
10:18that come off of 7-10 or 8-9, and they're like, eh, I don't really feel good about our
10:22quarterback situation.
10:23And you wanted to go get Kyler Murray, I might be, hold on, damn it, I would just be a
10:29little
10:29bit more open-minded to it than I am now.
10:32I know you're all excited over there to get everybody to cuss me out over Kyler Murray.
10:36I know you love it, but I can only be honest.
10:39I don't understand how that doesn't make any sense.
10:41Oh, honesty doesn't go over well in this town, Ken.
10:43How does that not...
10:45You're getting cussed out from people all over the country, not people in Cleveland.
10:49There's a difference.
10:50How does that not make sense, Owen?
10:52Wouldn't that make sense if we were a better football team, and you're like, okay, we need
10:55to move on from the quarterback.
10:56It's abundantly clear that the QB is holding us back, and you wanted to bring in Kyler Murray.
11:00I would be more open to it.
11:02I didn't say yes.
11:03I did not say yes.
11:04I don't think I said yes.
11:06I didn't say yes.
11:08What's wrong with that?
11:09I don't understand being a little bit more open-minded if the team was better, bringing
11:12in a veteran that I don't think has a very high ceiling, after what we did just see with
11:17Sam Darnold.
11:18Yeah, I agree with that.
11:19Thank you!
11:20Thank you!
11:21It took me a minute.
11:22Thank you!
11:23It's a long way to get around it.
11:25I don't understand...
11:26See, you're a reasonable person.
11:28Yeah, that's why I always go to you.
11:31What?
11:32Well, now you're both wrong.
11:33You're not reasonable.
11:33Well, now you're both wrong.
11:34Oh, yeah.
11:35Try telling that guy he's wrong.
11:36Let's see how that works out for you.
11:38I'd love to give Jason more business on it, but he's taking us over every break by 10 minutes.
11:43Yeah, and we have to end it right here in this.
11:46All right.
11:49Drake in Cleveland.
11:50Hello, Drake!
11:52What's going on, Ken?
11:53How you doing today?
11:54Are you calling just to make me mad, or what are you trying to do?
11:58No, I wanted to tell you, don't let Jason bully you, because you don't want Kyler Murray.
12:01It's okay.
12:02We want to develop.
12:03We want to actually put some work in developing a quarterback from now.
12:07But I wanted to talk to Jason, though.
12:08Drake and I are on the same side.
12:10This is wild.
12:11Okay, continue.
12:11Go ahead there, Drake.
12:12Tell him.
12:12I said the same thing.
12:14Tell him.
12:14Jason.
12:15Yes, sir.
12:16The thing is, you have 25 years of experience, and people recognize that.
12:20It's definitely recognizable.
12:21People know your name.
12:23You know, when you say something, it becomes news all of a sudden, some kind of way.
12:27But the thing is, you seem to believe that when you hear something, that means it's factual.
12:34It doesn't.
12:35It just means someone has an opinion.
12:37Just like the people that call this show have an opinion.
12:40And let me finish, because I know you got a rebuttal.
12:43But just like the people that follow this show have an opinion, just because you hear something
12:48from a general manager or a president or an owner, it doesn't make it factual until it
12:53happens on the football field.
12:54No, you're right.
12:54A guy on the street calling into a show has a much more valid stance on things than someone
12:59who actually works in the building.
13:01That's not my point.
13:01No, it is.
13:02That's not my point.
13:02I don't know, man.
13:03There's been some boobs who've worked in that building in the last 27 years.
13:06People can be wrong.
13:06People can be wrong.
13:08Even, even, then you just say the owner, the owner, listen to a homeless person, draft
13:13a quarterback, and he did it.
13:15Like these people can have certain opinions and they can go wrong.
13:18That's what I'm saying.
13:18Of course guys can have wrong judgment when it comes to who to pick and who not to pick.
13:22It's my job to sort of validate where the information is coming from and who's the one who's saying
13:29it.
13:30Cause I get told a lot of weird things sometimes that don't ever make it to the public.
13:34And that's the job.
13:35What's the weirdest thing that has been made to the public?
13:37No, I'm not doing that.
13:38I almost got him.
13:39I'm not doing that.
13:40It's my job to decipher.
13:42Is this a credible source or not?
13:46And that's the part of the job.
13:48Just because people don't like hearing it, doesn't mean it's not true.
13:53Chuck in old Brooklyn.
13:54You're next up on the fan.
13:55Hello, Chuck.
13:57Yo, what's up?
13:58Hi, Chuck.
13:59Y'all dudes got on black today?
14:01Cause it's like a funeral.
14:02Y'all bearing around.
14:02Actually, we do have on black.
14:03I am wearing black.
14:05We are wearing black.
14:05I'm sorry.
14:06Jason Lloyd is like Paul Bearer today.
14:08It's crazy.
14:09Oh, yes!
14:11Just what I want to say.
14:12The division we in, 10 games won it last year.
14:15Do y'all think the other three teams beside us actually got better?
14:19Do you think that we are in a position to win 10 games this year?
14:25Definitely.
14:25We follow through now with the moves we've been making and act like we're trying to win
14:30because that's what it looked like to me.
14:31It looked like we're trying to win.
14:32Hey, Chuck, listen.
14:33I'm not going to sit there and say, like, oh, you're wrong.
14:36We haven't even had the draft.
14:37We haven't even had the draft.
14:38I got to get to OTAs, man.
14:39I got to see even OTAs.
14:41I want to talk about the offensive line additions that nobody's talking about.
14:44Jenkins had over 6,000 snaps with only nine sacks.
14:48And Titus coming in with 696 passing snaps with no sacks.
14:53Why nobody's talking about how much better we've got it all up?
14:55We've talked about all those things.
14:57Well, how much better that we got, though.
14:59It's kind of like y'all just saying these guys trash and that we're not trying to win.
15:03So the Houston Texans are just in the business of giving up good football players,
15:07and the Packers are just in the business of giving up good football players.
15:10That's called salary cap casualty.
15:13If they really wanted to hold on to them, somehow we all find – with the exception
15:17of Tyler Lindenbaum, I'll give you that.
15:19They say – well, I don't know if I trust Eric DaCosta very much.
15:22But I'm going to tell you this.
15:23Very rarely does a guy who's really, really, really good and really, really important
15:27hit free agency.
15:29Chuck, I want you to be right, okay, because I've got to protect whatever quarterbacks
15:34back there.
15:34I don't want ill will towards any of them quarterbacks, all right?
15:36Whoever – if it's Dylan Gabriel, I don't care.
15:38I don't want anything bad to happen to any of them QBs.
15:40I want them to have the best chance to do it.
15:42But I've got to get to OTAs and at least see how these guys are working before I start
15:45to make any bold proclamations about what this team's going to do.
15:49Another quick question.
15:50All right, go ahead.
15:50Go ahead, quick.
15:52Todd Munkin, if he's the guy with the division that we're in that you guys think we should
15:57have chose because he's got all type of familiarity and he's been beating up on the division,
16:02and one, he know how to beat Lamar.
16:05I don't – well, I tell you, Chuck, thank you very much for the call.
16:08I don't have any ill will towards – or I don't have a problem with hiring Todd Munkin.
16:12I don't have anything bad to say about him right now.
16:15Hopefully, I don't have anything bad to say in the future.
16:17Those things are all selling points to me.
16:20If he's the best, most capable coach for the position, then fine.
16:23I understand why some of the 30-year-olds didn't necessarily want to take this job,
16:27and I understand why Todd Munkin, in so many ways because of his age, had to take the job.
16:32But they could have – I've seen them hire way worse.
16:35We all have.
16:36Hate to say it.
16:37He was a nice guy.
16:39They've hired way, way worse in the past.
16:41They could have hired way, way worse.
16:43No, I think that those are all selling points to Todd Munkin.
16:46I see that.
16:47But when they make so many moves across the offensive line, and I don't have much familiarity
16:51with any of them, we've got to get to at least OTAs and training camp, probably the season,
16:57before we start making bold proclamations about them.
17:00Because it would be a hell of a coaching job if you get five strangers – probably not
17:05perfect strangers, they've probably met each other in the past – but you get five
17:08strangers in there, it's tough to do that.
17:12That would be a hell of a story.
17:13That's a story.
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