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2020.03.00 - Speciale Chi l'ha visto_Coronavirus _2a Parte
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00:00:00Under the porticos there are these homeless people, not under the colonnade, under the porticos, but the problem that then
00:00:06clearly Emily, with your great sensitivity naturally poses a problem for us which then the last ones are those who naturally
00:00:14they explode first, in the sense that the last ones, but think about people who were used to, that the volunteer would come to bring you
00:00:21a hot tea, a piece of bread, a cheese sandwich and they don't even have that.
00:00:28Look Emily, I thank you for the moment, then we'll connect with Pablo Trincia who unfortunately also in Milan c
00:00:34'it's the same situation.
00:00:36This is a country that is experiencing an emergency, but it should have seen some emergencies sooner, that is, soon.
00:00:45we will go to the prison in Foggia, a riot has broken out, there is a man who killed a woman who is
00:00:52a fugitive, now we'll try to understand why.
00:00:55However, these are dramatic moments, I would like to lighten this tension a little, also because perhaps Professor Rezza doesn't understand it.
00:01:04he can't anymore, he wants to go home, but I would like to ease this tension because we presenters, you know, they tell us, you have to read
00:01:12these signs, right?
00:01:13Wash your hands, stay home, etc.
00:01:16But there's definitely someone who can say it better than me. Advice from the house's grandmother, Surace.
00:01:24What do we need to talk about? Coronavirus, who is talking about it? Haven't you seen it? Do they already know everything? Everyone.
00:01:30they give advice.
00:01:31But... Know-it-alls, listen to grandma. The epidemic lawyer, who could forget the plague in Milan?
00:01:37Oh, what could I do? Renza and Lucia were miraculously saved. Thanks to my advice. Go, go, attack.
00:01:48Tip number one. You have to wash your hands. And what's new? How many times have I told you that?
00:01:54Have you washed your hands? No, because there's coronavirus. Forever. Have you washed your hands? Go wash them.
00:02:00Second tip: When you sneeze, you should sneeze into your elbow. It's not coronavirus. Manners.
00:02:07How many times have I told you? Put your hand in front. And now I tell you? Put your elbow in front.
00:02:13But do I put my knee? And let's put my knee in front.
00:02:15It's cooler. What can you do? It's cheeky. Ui, how cool is it?
00:02:20What do I care about the sneeze? It's choo-choo.
00:02:24Third tip: For a while, we should avoid hugs and kisses.
00:02:29Why did they say that? It's dangerous. And what can we do?
00:02:32When we see each other, instead of kisses and hugs, we wink.
00:02:36Hey, Maria. And we don't touch each other.
00:02:40Have you eaten, beautiful grandma? How are you feeling?
00:02:44Do you like it? Let's do this.
00:02:47One important thing. Let's not discriminate against ethnic groups because of the coronavirus.
00:02:53We who are accustomed to being discriminated against, want to be the ones to discriminate.
00:02:59But the virus is the Chinese's fault.
00:03:01What happened is the African's fault.
00:03:03Remember, coronavirus passes, discrimination remains.
00:03:08There is no such vaccine.
00:03:09The quarantine.
00:03:10What do I do at home for 14 days?
00:03:13Take advantage.
00:03:13You can watch the episode.
00:03:15Clean the windows.
00:03:16But above all...
00:03:17Are you quarantining me?
00:03:1914 days?
00:03:20And I pepper the sauce.
00:03:2114 days.
00:03:23Easter is coming.
00:03:24Which is a cream.
00:03:25After 14 days of what a nugget, I'm getting it for its weight in gold.
00:03:28Attic cow.
00:03:30100 millimeters of ragù.
00:03:31400 euros.
00:03:33I am joking.
00:03:34I could have it for free.
00:03:35Cow and beef meat.
00:03:37A small cow.
00:03:38The little cow.
00:03:39Unfortunately, during this period we have to give up some habits.
00:03:43Eh, calm down here.
00:03:44As?
00:03:44A dick up your sleeve?
00:03:47I sure can't keep it.
00:03:49I kept it in life.
00:03:50I throw it away.
00:03:52Everyone must do their duty.
00:03:55Here.
00:03:56I wasn't moved.
00:03:57I can't get your nose right.
00:04:00I wanted to tell you one last thing.
00:04:02For me, all grandchildren are doctors.
00:04:05Doctors.
00:04:06But not doctors.
00:04:07Do you understand?
00:04:08It's not that you read it on the internet.
00:04:10And you are scientists.
00:04:11It would be nice.
00:04:12So, all the grandchildren have degrees.
00:04:14Listen to the doctors.
00:04:15Or to grandfather.
00:04:17Because afterward, the medicine doesn't come, the city comes.
00:04:20Friends who are in the North.
00:04:21You are outside and grandpa.
00:04:22Don't panic.
00:04:24If supermarkets run out of supplies, we're here.
00:04:27And we'll send you a package from down there.
00:04:29For us, you are all relatives.
00:04:31Are you out of place?
00:04:33Are you in the north?
00:04:35Yes Chinese?
00:04:37Scarsetto.
00:04:37It's carnival.
00:04:39Yes Chinese?
00:04:39So two packages.
00:04:41They help me.
00:04:41Now I say goodbye to you with a big hug.
00:04:47So, of course, we thank Casa Surace because every now and then we need to take a breather.
00:04:55I thank Franco Petrolati, Mario Parisio, Roberto Di Pasquale for Luigi Centoni and Nando Attorre because they are allowing me to
00:05:04be here with you tonight.
00:05:06Those we all have to thank are these doctors, these nurses, these hospital workers who risk taking their
00:05:16the virus, who spend hours and hours working non-stop, who no longer go home, who no longer go to
00:05:23their family.
00:05:25There's that nurse who falls asleep, actually collapses, as they say in Rome, on the computer.
00:05:30A real thank you from all of us for these, they say angels in this case, when there are those who
00:05:39they go looking for the earthquake, etc.
00:05:40The doctors are doing an amazing job.
00:05:43Radino and I went with Paolo Andriolo to Niguarda.
00:05:51We are outside the Niguarda hospital in Milan, one of the largest in Lombardy, the second.
00:05:57And here too, obviously, the battle against the coronavirus is being fought.
00:06:02An ambulance is on the way.
00:06:05As you can see, he's coming in, why?
00:06:07Because the emergency room is the first frontier point where the coronavirus is fought.
00:06:24This is where the ambulances arrive, everyone uses protections, masks and clearly there are also patients with
00:06:31suspected Covid-19.
00:06:34Now they're transporting an elderly person with breathing difficulties because the mask is already oxygen.
00:06:53This is still the clean area, meaning patients with other types of problems can also enter.
00:07:02But as you can see it's almost empty.
00:07:05Why? Because the number of white and green code cases in emergency rooms has dropped by 40%.
00:07:11That is, people have understood that they must not drown the emergency rooms.
00:07:15There instead begins the red zone, that is, where patients with suspected coronavirus, Covid, are taken behind that automatic door
00:07:27-19.
00:07:28Then from there, depending on the severity, they are placed in a ward or, if they are very serious, taken to intensive care.
00:07:47It is behind this glass that doctors and nurses are fighting an endless battle,
00:07:53exhausted by very long shifts and with bruises on their faces, due to masks and protections that must not let through
00:07:59not even a breath of air.
00:08:00At the end of the shift many nurses have real pressure sores on their nose, cheeks,
00:08:10precisely because the masks must be very tight to the face.
00:08:15We work very long shifts, 12-13 hours of shifts per day at this pace.
00:08:25This is a waiting room but it's empty, you're not used to this either,
00:08:29You usually talk to your relatives, can't you do it this time?
00:08:32Nothing, no, we absolutely cannot do it except by telephone.
00:08:36We also send messages to patients' relatives to try to make their loved one not feel alone,
00:08:43They are not alone, we are taking care of them, it's bad to say though, they don't need relatives,
00:08:49Even if it's difficult, they need us, but we are all with them to overcome this phase.
00:08:56Have you ever seen a situation like this?
00:08:59No, I've been doing this job for 30 years and this is my first.
00:09:02I work in intensive care, I am particularly concerned with supporting the team, the operators,
00:09:09first of all, they are my main concern right now because I'm really in the trenches.
00:09:13They need to feel part of a team, not to be alone, they need to throw out, even
00:09:24to be able to tell.
00:09:27Psychologists are also needed to provide support right now.
00:09:33But how long will this emergency last? How can it be fought? What does it mean to have a severe coronavirus infection?
00:09:40This disease causes the lungs to no longer be able to do their job,
00:09:46that is, exchanging gases, taking in oxygen and throwing out carbon energy.
00:09:50Our job is to help these lungs by replacing their function with what is called a ventilator.
00:09:59pulmonary.
00:10:00What struck us most was a concentration of pneumonia that was certainly much higher than what we usually see.
00:10:10Normally our resuscitations are sufficient for the population.
00:10:15This time we had to open two or three more intensive care units than we had before.
00:10:21to be able to deal with this pathology.
00:10:24It's not the flu, it's not the flu. It's a serious illness, it's a disease that can be cured.
00:10:36but what we have to do is avoid, make contagion practically impossible.
00:10:46The only way is to stay home, that's what I do when I leave here.
00:10:53And what I advise my children and my wife, stay at home, let's avoid gatherings,
00:11:01Let's avoid contact as much as possible, and keep the distance recommended by the guidelines.
00:11:09The indication is not a flu and it is a battle we must win.
00:11:20Stay home and prevent the virus from spreading: this is the appeal of all doctors and nurses in Italy.
00:11:26who are saving as many lives as possible.
00:11:30But in this climate of emergency, it's not just coronavirus patients who are affected.
00:11:34As always, there are those who also suffer from other illnesses or are victims of serious road accidents,
00:11:40like the husband of this woman we meet outside the hospital.
00:11:44We are waiting because they have already told us that if it stabilizes,
00:11:48It will have to be moved in about ten days because unfortunately the places here have to be reserved for coronavirus patients.
00:11:54and then he will be sent back to a place, in the first region that has an available place in intensive care.
00:12:01Is this a problem for you?
00:12:03It's a big problem for you because hotels are closed, everything is closed,
00:12:07if they send him to Tuscany and Abruzzo it would be a tragedy.
00:12:10How can we get there? We can't even move.
00:12:13They explained to us that we have to stay at home because at least we all stay at home
00:12:19the contagion should reduce, so perhaps we can avoid moving to another region in a few days
00:12:25because the fewer infections there are, the fewer people risk going into intensive care
00:12:30and therefore also the patients who are rightly here by the way
00:12:33we don't have to go south to look for them, to be with them
00:12:37that without hotels, without a place to go, how do you do it, where do you go, you abandon them, he wakes up from a coma,
00:12:43he has no one, it's not a good situation, absolutely.
00:12:52So, look, for the doctors...
00:12:53Can I say?
00:12:54Yes, no, I wanted to tell you something before you intervene.
00:12:56For doctors, it's a terrible situation.
00:12:58Someone said, no, you choose, you choose the youngest to save, the oldest one.
00:13:04No, that's not the problem.
00:13:06The problem, I don't know who among you knew, there was that movie called Sofì's Choice, right?
00:13:11In which the Nazis ask a woman, can you keep one of your two children, you have to choose which one.
00:13:15She must choose one of her two children, only one can be saved.
00:13:19The problem, and we hear it, no, even from the women who spoke before,
00:13:25if there are three beds and there are four patients, the fourth does not have a bed, that is not the problem
00:13:30of a choice.
00:13:31So, Corradino, then...
00:13:33Well, first of all I wanted to thank you for this service, because it shows well
00:13:36that the obligation to stay at home serves to delay infections
00:13:43and give some respite to these heroes who work in intensive care,
00:13:49in sub-intensive care, who are in conditions, as we have seen,
00:13:52that girl with chymosis from wearing a mask all day.
00:13:56And this is the first question.
00:13:57The second issue is that, in fact, there are also normal patients who cannot be cured.
00:14:05Think of the discomfort of that family, the father in intensive care after an accident,
00:14:12if they move it to another city, how do they do it with closed hotels?
00:14:16The third and final point is that, however, we must be in solidarity with these people.
00:14:23staying at home and supporting them in every way.
00:14:26We should support them even after, because Federica has discovered
00:14:30that we had far fewer intensive care beds than France and Germany,
00:14:37with all the criticisms we have rightly made of France and Germany,
00:14:41not to mention Lagarde.
00:14:43After this incident, we must make different choices.
00:14:46And then what we understand is that we are cutting healthcare, cutting research.
00:14:49Public health is crucial.
00:14:51Well, but it's crucial, because then the virus arrives and we don't know what to do.
00:14:55So, I ask the director, and among other things I also want to thank Silvia Bazzocchi
00:15:00and Rossana Di Nicola, because I'm on air for them too, thanks to them.
00:15:05I ask the director if they could kindly set up the connection with Dr. Michele Lepore for me.
00:15:10We're all used to having a family doctor, right?
00:15:15But absurd things are happening, because there are those who are profiting from this situation.
00:15:21They pretend to be from the Red Cross, or they raise the price of masks.
00:15:28So, let's see what Giuseppe Pizzo found and then with Dr. Lepore.
00:15:36Masks not available in pharmacies.
00:15:39And when you try to look for them online, they cost an arm and a leg, and they're not even there to let us know.
00:15:51So we tried typing the word coronavirus on online sales sites.
00:15:57Look what we found.
00:15:59There's everything.
00:16:01Antivirus bracelets.
00:16:05Antivirus survival kit.
00:16:08Even antivirus pills for the immune system.
00:16:13The prices are outrageous.
00:16:17A user of a well-known online sales site is offering 14 simple masks for 999 euros.
00:16:27So much for baking soda, said Toto.
00:16:33So we went around Rome to check out the situation in the pharmacies.
00:16:38I looked for it, I looked for it on the internet, I looked for it in the pharmacy, I can't find it.
00:16:42I looked it up online, what are the prices?
00:16:45They are not valid because there are no masks available, so they are sold out everywhere.
00:16:55Don't you wear a mask?
00:16:57I don't have it, they can't be found anymore.
00:16:59Have you tried pharmacies?
00:17:00Yes.
00:17:01My husband also tried to find...
00:17:03No, your suppliers are not found among my suppliers.
00:17:06Have a good day, thank you.
00:17:08We will see each other.
00:17:12I didn't find any masks, did I?
00:17:14No, I didn't find the masks.
00:17:16But did you try to look for them?
00:17:17Of course, I go to the pharmacy, it says all sold out, I haven't found them yet.
00:17:22Online?
00:17:22I'll try it online now, I want to try it online.
00:17:26A pack of 50, but not with valves, etc., about sixty euros I think.
00:17:34No, but above all we ordered and with immediate availability they will arrive in two weeks, so...
00:17:40Do you have a designer mask?
00:17:42I did it.
00:17:43How did he do it? He doesn't say?
00:17:44I made it myself, I sewed it, I sewed the fabric over the mask.
00:17:50So a normal fabric?
00:17:51To avoid getting bacteria.
00:17:58And I'll put it on, I have it, that's it.
00:18:01Where do you find it?
00:18:02I had this at home, old man.
00:18:05Homemade ones, like this one.
00:18:10She's caught outside.
00:18:17I'll show you how it's done.
00:18:26This is because it is waterproof, but allows air to pass through.
00:18:33Everyone makes do as they can.
00:18:35There are even those who have created their own personal mask using a bra and applying a filter inside.
00:18:47So, think of a doctor who has to change his mask every time he has a patient.
00:18:52Think of a doctor from a large local health authority like Rome 1.
00:18:56We are in contact with Dr. Lepore.
00:19:00Yes, good evening.
00:19:01Good evening. I was saying, doctor, let's think, no, we're also talking about scams and masks, but let's think about a doctor.
00:19:08like you who should change your mask, I imagine, every patient you visit, right?
00:19:13Yes, let's say that the doctor must change it, but he must also provide it to the patient who comes into the office
00:19:25to protect themselves.
00:19:26The problem is, as you have shown, these masks that were promised to us have not been distributed and not
00:19:36we know if they will arrive.
00:19:37But we are talking about non-surgical masks, as I have seen your operators wear, but for the family doctor it is
00:19:50It is useful to have highly protective masks, the famous FFP2 or FFP3 masks, which are unobtainable and very expensive on the black market.
00:20:01It's a shame because in reality we are facing a biological war here, what we must understand is that we are trying to
00:20:15educate our patients, don't scare them, but we are facing a war.
00:20:19And the maintenance of general medicine, that is, the family doctor, the medical emergency and the pediatricians of free choice
00:20:28It's very important right now.
00:20:30We are the front line and we are slightly unarmed.
00:20:35The data comfort us, especially those from the Lazio Region, especially those from the ASL Roma 1, they make us understand that the
00:20:46our behavior is holding.
00:20:49So it is important that we pursue a course of action.
00:20:53Listen, Dr. Lepore, tell me this again, which I think is very important.
00:20:58Here are these masks for you, which are obviously not the homemade ones, which we can make ourselves,
00:21:04aren't you coming?
00:21:06No, they're not coming.
00:21:07They don't arrive.
00:21:08But what explanation do they offer? There isn't one.
00:21:10Because the family doctor, of course, has a lot of patients and works a lot.
00:21:16Then I imagine, Dr. Lepore, that it is also a moment of panic.
00:21:20People, if anything, feel sick, they feel feverish, but only out of tension, because these are also complicated times.
00:21:26Haven't your masks arrived?
00:21:28No, no, absolutely not. I am the spokesperson for many colleagues and we encourage you and try to move forward, but with the
00:21:41our resources.
00:21:43These famous masks are not there.
00:21:46They are not here.
00:21:48This is probably an unforeseen shortage. When I see, let's say, hear, or see these large packages arriving, I'm...
00:22:00arrived from China.
00:22:02I hope they reach us too, also because there is something to say, if I may.
00:22:08We are not only fighting hypothetical patients, say, with the flu, but we also have to go to patients' homes.
00:22:20who have chronic, oncological pathologies.
00:22:23We can't hold them.
00:22:24So we have to be highly protected.
00:22:28And then you can't be the ones carrying the infection, because that would be absurd, right?
00:22:32To spread the infection to patients who have other pathologies, or to your families, because there are also the
00:22:38your families, right, doctor?
00:22:40Because, after all, it's truly an extreme situation.
00:22:43I thank you for this intervention, because we are also trying to tell the institutions, look, the masks, the ones that are needed,
00:22:50Of course, they didn't reach the family doctors.
00:22:53And that's a problem.
00:22:55Thank you, thank you, Dr. Levoli.
00:22:57Congratulations to you.
00:22:58No, thank you, thank you.
00:22:59So, we try to continue like this, providing information, even provoking, you keep calling, it's complicated.
00:23:09Here, Redanino, we'll see you right after this short break, because we still have so much to say.
00:23:24When we leave the house, sometimes we feel sad, no, because we hear, we no longer hear those noises of the cars,
00:23:31of the noise, of people talking, of those who laugh, of those who scream.
00:23:35We don't hear anything, because the cities are deserted.
00:23:37So let's go to Milan, a deserted city, where unfortunately our Pablo Trincia is.
00:23:43Pablo, you're on the line, but unfortunately there are also some people who can't go home.
00:23:50Good evening Federica, we are in Milan, between the Duomo and Piazza San Babila.
00:23:56The coronavirus emergency has blocked Milan, but it has not stopped an emergency that continues 365 days a year in all
00:24:05the Italian cities,
00:24:06which is that of the homeless, who are one of the categories most at risk, because obviously they don't have a home
00:24:15where to go,
00:24:16They can't stay indoors, they are constantly exposed to this virus because they are on the streets, and now they are closed in these
00:24:24curtains,
00:24:25others are here in the sacks, but then after the day they continue to wander around the city and they don't even have
00:24:32protective masks.
00:24:34Furthermore, the emergency has blocked assistance for these people, so for example some soup kitchens have
00:24:44closed
00:24:45and even the public showers have closed, but fortunately there are some associations that are active
00:24:51and that they have these mobile clinics that provide initial assistance.
00:24:57I am here with the director of the Progetto Arca Foundation, Alberto Senigallia.
00:25:05So Alberto, you stay one meter away, also because we obviously had to take off our masks.
00:25:11Because otherwise you won't hear us, you won't understand us. Alberto, what do you do for these people?
00:25:18The Progetto Arca Foundation has always assisted the homeless.
00:25:21In Milan, Rome, Naples we have street units and dormitories where there are a thousand people who all
00:25:28evenings they sleep.
00:25:29At this time we are providing healthcare and health information.
00:25:34It's very important to take your temperature right now, when showers and cafeterias are closed.
00:25:42We always have a doctor and a nurse in the street unit who monitor and above all inform the people
00:25:50which is the most important thing because people on the streets underestimate the virus.
00:25:56So you take the temperature, you measure the temperature of the homeless because in this way you have constant monitoring of their condition
00:26:04of health.
00:26:06We distribute kits, masks and obviously make people wear them.
00:26:14We're handing out hand sanitizer kits, and of course, sleeping bags, and then...
00:26:22Pablo, Luca Nappo is already coming in because there's an emergency.
00:26:25Can you thank these people on our behalf who are truly helping the least fortunate?
00:26:32Because we are all becoming last but there are the last of the last.
00:26:37I already see Luca with an emergency, please.
00:26:40There's an emergency, Mr. Giuseppe's daughter is here.
00:26:45So, is that you Adriana?
00:26:49Yes, yes, it's me, Federica.
00:26:51In this already emergency situation we can imagine when it disappears,
00:26:57when someone leaves home.
00:26:59It's crazy, look, it's crazy.
00:27:02So, Adriana, what happened?
00:27:04Because Andrea Perini writes to me that Giuseppe Ramadori, who should be your father, 94 years old,
00:27:11did he leave Ciampino, Rome, just today?
00:27:13Yes, yes, yes, he left his home.
00:27:18Today at 11.30, about 11.40, I went like every morning to bring him lunch.
00:27:27and nothing, he wasn't at home.
00:27:28I was really worried because, well, it's not like him, let's say.
00:27:33Then if he goes out, apart from the fact that he's not going out these days, but if he goes out, yes, I know, well, I
00:27:40he says.
00:27:40So, then I called my husband, we immediately went looking, a little in the area,
00:27:46we have travelled, yes, a long, long way, some on foot, some by car, but nothing,
00:27:54there just wasn't, there just wasn't any way to have...
00:27:56Listen, Adriano, in the meantime we are showing the photographs,
00:28:01he should have a blue jacket with a zip, a beige sweater, since he has no documents,
00:28:09I always say it, if by chance there is a person hospitalized who at this moment
00:28:13he doesn't know himself, he could be Mr. Giuseppe Ramadori, so...
00:28:18But we also did a search in hospitals, we went to emergency rooms,
00:28:22in Frascati, in Tor Vergata, we called Casilino, we called this new one
00:28:32Castelli Hospital, but...
00:28:34No, but, Adriana, I always say that, because then, if anything, it's a hospital more, right?
00:28:37No, no, no, of course.
00:28:38You, in any case, 118 took him somewhere else, the important thing is, of course...
00:28:42Adriana, I wanted to tell you something.
00:28:44Yes, Federica.
00:28:46Look, you know they make fun of us online, right?
00:28:48He says, but how come, you're broadcasting who saw it, everyone at home knows who saw it,
00:28:52instead you are the proof that we serve and how, and perhaps, however, we must
00:28:57take advantage of Acquaniti, who is the spokesman for the police officials, because perhaps
00:29:03in this case, no, we have many patrol cars, there are the Carabinieri, there are the policemen,
00:29:10no, they go around, and maybe we can also help people like your dad, who are
00:29:16move away, so I think, now I don't see Acquaniti via Skype anymore, but I think
00:29:21who's hearing me, and anyway they're hearing us...
00:29:24I am here.
00:29:24Federica, I can tell you, yes indeed, a few minutes ago, a friend of ours who lives right above
00:29:33my father said he saw him around nine o'clock at the traffic lights in Nagnina, because
00:29:39exactly we, being in Ciantino, are practically close to Morena then, here, Morena which corresponds
00:29:47then to Nagnina, and he says he saw it right there at the traffic light, what
00:29:53very strange, because it is not like him to go that way, he probably had a
00:29:59moment of...
00:30:00But in a daze, he lost his sense of direction.
00:30:03He's lost his sense of direction, that's probably why, because he...
00:30:08Adriana, I take advantage of Acquaniti, because he was very kind, who continues to be
00:30:12with us then, of course, whenever he wants.
00:30:14Yes please.
00:30:15No, I'm taking advantage of this because we can physically, for example, go and give the photographs.
00:30:20of the missing people to your patrols around, that is you, her of course now, in short,
00:30:26he will tell all his people to find Mr. Giuseppe, who, I repeat, is 94 years old, but perhaps
00:30:34It's a way of solidarity to help family members too.
00:30:36I am...
00:30:37Thank you.
00:30:38Of course, also because, if I may, I take advantage of it, you rightly thanked all your
00:30:44collaborators, there are many operators of the State Police and other forces
00:30:50of the order around, I am the spokesperson of the Officials Association, I am also a
00:30:56Commander, at the end of the shift we always meet with the guys who are getting off to take stock
00:31:01of the situation, understand what are the best strategies to intervene.
00:31:06Commander, everyone, I tell the truth, everyone who works with me, every time at the end
00:31:10shift, commander, if we can stay, if there is something to do, we want it
00:31:16do for ourselves, for the country, for our families.
00:31:20I believed that, as she rightly did for hers, I also wanted this for the Italians
00:31:25they knew it and I wanted to take this opportunity, I say this sincerely, to thank them publicly.
00:31:31Just as I am sure that the colleagues who are there in Rome will do everything to help
00:31:38this family and I'm convinced that they will really do everything to find him, because in this
00:31:44Now more than ever we feel part of a great country, of a great healthcare system.
00:31:51My father died a few weeks ago, after a long period of resuscitation and I say it
00:31:55as a citizen, no longer as a policeman. We have a great health system, we are a great country,
00:32:00There are also great policemen who do their small part tonight too.
00:32:05Look, Queni did well to thank her people, because we are all impressed.
00:32:10I thanked them of course...
00:32:12I took advantage.
00:32:12No, no, but you did very well, because I thanked my colleagues who allow me
00:32:17to go on air. I saw that Marco Varvello from London said I'll take this opportunity and thank you.
00:32:21emoteotechnician, only Botteri cannot thank anyone because they leave her alone in Beijing,
00:32:26But it's right. This is a beautiful thing, to thank the people who are close to us,
00:32:32that allow... because at this moment she is the commander, she puts her face on the line, but she
00:32:36he can talk and the other policemen are on the field and cannot be here in
00:32:41television and be seen by their families, simply to show that they are well.
00:32:46It's a crazy job that we all have to do on ourselves, thanks to acquanitis and it remains,
00:32:52she knows that we have many other questions, there are also prison escapees, it is
00:32:57everything happened, but this country must learn great solidarity, because
00:33:02It is important especially in these moments, but always, because this situation according to
00:33:07me... then we will never be the same, we will grow together. It's beautiful to see that some kids
00:33:13in their condominiums they put a sheet of paper with the following written, in the various buildings, even nearby ones,
00:33:20with written if there is a need to go shopping, that there is some elderly person who is alone, we are there,
00:33:26and they had to write, think about it, for free, which then makes us understand how much
00:33:31We are used to solidarity. These small gestures are very important to us, because
00:33:36They help us to be less alone, we are all feeling alone, because it is a situation
00:33:42really destabilizing for everyone, so Qualiti did well to thank
00:33:47his people, and then Claudio Aldi, who is with the Carabinieri, will naturally also thank the Carabinieri.
00:33:53So, Adriana, I don't know if Adriana is still on the air, that of course Giuseppe Ramadori,
00:34:00look, 94 years old, then there are many people who continue to work, because they have to work,
00:34:08because they are essential services, let's say, like for example they went to clean the streets,
00:34:14they go to do other things, so they still go around, but at a reduced rate, buses, taxis, so anyway
00:34:20He's a 94-year-old gentleman who needs to be brought home. Corradino, people
00:34:25who stay at home and people who have to go to work.
00:34:28Yes, we said that this emergency divides those who have a home and those who don't, but it divides
00:34:37also two types of Italians, those who are asked by the consumer to remain barricaded
00:34:42at home and the one who is asked to go to work. In some cases, for example, I
00:34:47I've seen garbage collectors do it with more conviction than usual, because it's important.
00:34:54In some cases it is useless, for example they told me in schools that they are closed because
00:34:58the students don't go there, there are technicians who don't understand what they are supposed to do
00:35:02there. Exactly, there are some oddities and then there is a problem, there is that in many companies
00:35:08it's said to the person, but we have to move on, so come on, so there's pressure
00:35:14especially the heads, the deputy heads of personnel on the people so that they go and there are also
00:35:20We've forgotten about workplace deaths. There are also abuses, because in some
00:35:27In some cases, teleworking could be used, for example, I'll give an example because I know,
00:35:32If I design products on the computer, I can do it at home, but the chief of personnel
00:35:39He is used to checking the person by looking at their face and so he says...
00:35:44It has to come. It has to come. So these things need to be said, I find it very
00:35:49Your show is beautiful because it tells what happens, that is, the questions that people ask
00:35:54they do it.
00:35:55So, let's see these images that make an impression and they make an impression too, we have made you
00:36:01first listen to the calls that arrive at our switchboard, then if we can also frame them
00:36:06our formidable correspondents, Filomena Rorro and Paola Grauso, with them also Andrea Perini
00:36:13and Antonella Raimondi, I'll give you a kiss from afar, we didn't even take a picture before
00:36:18with the masks saying we hope we'll have a laugh about it later, but we're trying
00:36:24really to guarantee the maximum, of course we all the people who have decided to do it
00:36:30working from home, we rightly said that it is like this because there is less travel
00:36:35and the better, and there are the calls that arrive to 118, the ones that ours was able to listen to
00:36:42Pablo Trincia.
00:36:45We are in Bergamo which is one of the most affected areas in Lombardy and this is the hospital,
00:36:53inside the hospital there is also the 118 switchboard where they take the calls, where they arrive
00:36:58the calls for help and they are in an emergency situation because they have little
00:37:04staff and they are now working exhausting night shifts, so we are going to see what the situation is
00:37:11they work and above all who calls and what they ask in these days, in these hours of anxiety, of worry.
00:37:28this is the room, this is the room, so everything will be fine, then many messages that now
00:37:34you can read them almost everywhere, they even wrote it here.
00:37:39We never stop, but right now we're definitely having a crazy pace,
00:37:48Unfortunately we have some colleagues who are sick.
00:37:51About coronavirus.
00:37:53About coronavirus.
00:37:55These are the operators' shifts and where you see a red line, those are on sick leave.
00:38:01Are all these people sick?
00:38:03Yes, the crossed out ones are all the diseases and those squares are the substitutions, so
00:38:08to give you the dimension.
00:38:10What percentage of people are calling about the coronavirus emergency?
00:38:15We are certainly, on 80% of the calls, our business is linked to this phenomenon.
00:38:24We are in the room.
00:38:31Calls from one of the areas in Italy most affected by the coronavirus are all being filtered
00:38:37from this little room, where the phones never stop ringing.
00:38:42They told me that I had a cough and fever since Sunday.
00:38:4837.
00:38:50And does he have a cough too?
00:38:52Both with confirmed pneumonia?
00:38:55Okay, so the doctor already had you take the x-ray, right?
00:39:00Do you have a fever?
00:39:02Surely everyone is very worried.
00:39:05They have a cough, they have a fever and they ask, in short they also want to be reassured a little,
00:39:12they want the parameters, the saturation, to be tested on them.
00:39:16There are many who have a lot of breathing difficulties.
00:39:20And when days of fever that doesn't go down are followed by a dry cough and pain in the lungs,
00:39:25Is anyone who calls 911 afraid?
00:39:31Good morning doctor, what's going on?
00:39:33Welcomed, last night our doctor visited us and found both me and my husband
00:39:38the pulmonary trumpet.
00:39:40I'm not feeling terrible, my husband is feeling terrible.
00:39:43We are witnessing the need to treat a large number of patients
00:39:50who present with a suspected coronavirus infection
00:39:54which is then confirmed in almost all cases
00:39:58with a picture of respiratory failure, therefore fever, cough
00:40:03and in the following days progressive worsening difficulty in breathing
00:40:08which very often requires the use of oxygen
00:40:13to be able to carry a sufficient quantity of oxygen into the blood
00:40:17and stabilize the vital functions of these patients.
00:40:21The big problem is allocating patients to hospitals
00:40:25who are able to accept them
00:40:28because there are so many patients
00:40:31that emergency rooms are in serious difficulty.
00:40:34Let's say it's a situation where all the phone calls
00:40:37they remain a little imprinted,
00:40:40these are difficult family situations,
00:40:44people we know that at other times
00:40:46we would have taken him to the hospital anyway.
00:40:50It's hard, a situation like this is hard for everyone.
00:41:01So this, as we were saying, demonstrates the emergency situation
00:41:05more than the amount of chatter we naturally try to understand with you
00:41:08what's going on
00:41:09and there's our Claudia Aldi
00:41:12who had previously shown that they were about to leave
00:41:15she with the carabinieri because with the police
00:41:21with the police sorry
00:41:24and Claudia, the carabinieri were actually with Paolo Andriolo
00:41:29then he will be the one to thank the police.
00:41:32Well, Claudia, it's shocking to see this deserted Rome.
00:41:37and who knows, maybe you'll find our missing person there
00:41:40because you are so good
00:41:41that you have already asked for the photograph of Mr. Giuseppe Ramadori
00:41:46with the hope that you find it.
00:41:48Right, Claudia?
00:41:51Yes, that's right Federica
00:41:53because then among other things Doctor Improta
00:41:55who is here with us
00:41:56he deals with his office himself
00:41:59that of general prevention and public relief
00:42:01including the coordination of missing persons.
00:42:03Of course, in fact now that we are here on the road
00:42:07and we also have the concession
00:42:08that the streets are deserted
00:42:10It will also be easier to proceed with the search for this person
00:42:13which was reported as being gone.
00:42:16In fact, before when we were on the patrol car via radio
00:42:19it was really felt with all the patrols
00:42:21to understand and to know
00:42:23if maybe they met a person
00:42:26which could match the description of the missing person
00:42:30so we will keep you informed live
00:42:32but just as we were in the car with him
00:42:34you see I'm still equipped with a mask and gloves
00:42:37because otherwise I wouldn't have been able to get into the patrol car
00:42:39Doctor Improta took stock
00:42:41through the radio with his patrols
00:42:44and this patrol that you see here
00:42:46we are in San Giovanni behind us
00:42:48he has already arrested about fifty people
00:42:50between motorists and people on foot or on bicycles.
00:42:54Everything's ok here
00:42:55but in the meantime there have been some people
00:42:57who did not follow the government's instructions in the decree.
00:43:01what happened in these hours?
00:43:04Checks are being carried out throughout the Roman territory
00:43:07and also in the Castelli area
00:43:09therefore also in the province
00:43:10and we have reported about six people
00:43:13within an hour and a half
00:43:15who did not give a valid reason for being on the street
00:43:19four in the San Paolo area
00:43:21two young people in the Caselino area
00:43:23and in the Salario Parioli area
00:43:25even one person was recognized
00:43:28to be known in the records of the police offices
00:43:32he was under house arrest
00:43:34therefore he will be liable for two sanctions
00:43:35evasion and order not complied with by authorities.
00:43:39I couldn't leave the house because I was under house arrest.
00:43:42moreover he would not have been able to leave the house
00:43:44for the coronavirus decree
00:43:46if instead he was outside.
00:43:48Let's face it, this guy is really an idiot.
00:43:50because now the escapee who comes out
00:43:51then I thank you Claudio
00:43:53I thank the police
00:43:55among other things
00:43:57about escapees
00:43:59but there was a very serious incident
00:44:01you heard
00:44:02in Rome
00:44:04he was under house arrest
00:44:06and they caught him right away
00:44:07and now he has another crime
00:44:09there was a very serious incident
00:44:11what happened in Foggia
00:44:12why there was the riot in the prisons
00:44:15and there is a man
00:44:17which is called Anghilarchi
00:44:18still on the run
00:44:19before this though
00:44:22I would like to propose a service by Marina Borrometi
00:44:24why are you looking
00:44:25something a bit absurd happened
00:44:26which previously seemed fake
00:44:28and then those who raised the alarm
00:44:31they were alarmed
00:44:32and then he says
00:44:32but those weren't fake back then
00:44:34so we're reviewing everything a bit
00:44:35but on the net
00:44:37because of course there is a huge movement online
00:44:40there's everything
00:44:42some people sometimes ask us
00:44:44but that's true
00:44:46or that's fake
00:44:48Marina Borrometi
00:44:53this video is very strong
00:44:55please don't show it to the agency children
00:44:58I am forced
00:44:59a man from inside a room
00:45:01make a video and post it on Facebook
00:45:03I have my sister in bed
00:45:06dead
00:45:06It's March 8th
00:45:07It's Sunday
00:45:08less than 24 hours ago
00:45:10by government decree
00:45:11funerals can no longer be held
00:45:13the man has a suspicion
00:45:15my sister
00:45:16he says
00:45:17who already had a pathology
00:45:18maybe she died from the coronavirus
00:45:21I'm waiting
00:45:23of the response of the cutugno from 118
00:45:25because last night
00:45:27under my forced will
00:45:29I had it done
00:45:31the swab
00:45:32it's a dramatic video
00:45:34in many
00:45:35right away
00:45:35you reported it to us
00:45:37someone wrote to us
00:45:38I have a hard time believing the content is true
00:45:41but the video
00:45:43It is true
00:45:43and confirmation comes from the health councilor of the municipality of Naples
00:45:47the lady passed away
00:45:48she passed away
00:45:50with
00:45:50then they swabbed him
00:45:52the swab was positive
00:45:56the man in the video is now in quarantine
00:45:58as well as all the people who were in that house
00:46:00Hi everyone
00:46:02an audio with a female voice
00:46:04it goes around on WhatsApp
00:46:04Katia asked me to
00:46:07to send her an audio note that explains a little about what's happening
00:46:11there are many young people in intensive care
00:46:13our youngest is 38 years old
00:46:17basically they told us that
00:46:19From these days we should start choosing who to intubate
00:46:22years look at the other big hospital
00:46:25They no longer intubate over 60 years of age
00:46:27who is really really young
00:46:30as age
00:46:31the person who records
00:46:33she introduces herself as Martina
00:46:34he says he works in cardiac intensive care in Milan
00:46:38but the audio contains false information
00:46:40and it is the Niguarda hospital itself that says it
00:46:42in a video where he is the director of the intensive care unit
00:46:46Dr. Roberto Fumagalli
00:46:47to show our face
00:46:49It is not true
00:46:50that we let the patients die
00:46:53It's not true that we don't intubate elderly patients
00:46:58It's not true that we choose who to treat based on age.
00:47:01and it's not true that intensive care units are full of young people
00:47:08hello girls
00:47:09Turin
00:47:10a nurse records this audio
00:47:12the situation is not bad
00:47:14it's really dramatic
00:47:16we at Amedeo are at 36
00:47:20there was a constant arrival of ambulances
00:47:22who arrived and who went away carrying the most serious
00:47:25the virus is everywhere in Turin
00:47:29everywhere
00:47:30the directives are precisely not to see anyone
00:47:35listen to me
00:47:36this time the denial reaches the newspapers
00:47:39Giovanni Di Perri, head physician of the Amedeo di Savoia Hospital
00:47:42he tells the press
00:47:44the message is from a hospital nurse
00:47:46who sent it at the request of a friend
00:47:48who has a 17 year old son
00:47:50that keeps coming out
00:47:51even though they have a relative at home
00:47:53which falls into the category of vulnerability
00:47:56for this reason the tones were exaggerated
00:48:00another doctor
00:48:02this time we are in Brescia
00:48:03and the message is a written text
00:48:05which is forwarded from chat to chat
00:48:06you also sent it to us to report it
00:48:09As you all know, I am a doctor.
00:48:12my hospital too
00:48:13the Sant'Anna of Brescia
00:48:14it's full of infected people who are rapidly getting worse
00:48:17many are dying
00:48:19we asked for confirmation directly from the hospital
00:48:22who replied to us that the doctor
00:48:24he spoke in a personal capacity
00:48:26and that the data highlights a situation
00:48:28certainly very serious
00:48:30but not as critical as the doctor claims
00:48:35not just fake news
00:48:37There are people online who record everything
00:48:39like the prison riots of the last few days
00:48:42they're setting everything on fire
00:48:44sheet
00:48:46they're throwing things down
00:48:47and there are the relatives
00:48:49who blocked the road
00:48:52drowns
00:48:53and still hunts man
00:48:54for a series of escaped prisoners
00:48:56someone
00:48:57he spread the word
00:48:58that they had shot the mayor
00:48:59but it's not true
00:49:00he says it himself on Facebook
00:49:02unfortunately the mother of imbeciles
00:49:04she's always pregnant
00:49:05I make this statement
00:49:07because there is an audio going around
00:49:09who says that I was shot
00:49:12I'm at the end of my life
00:49:13all false
00:49:16there are also those who have resumed the assault on supermarkets
00:49:18after the announcement that all of Italy is in the red zone
00:49:22but supermarket supplies are guaranteed
00:49:24and there's no need to clear the shelves
00:49:26the government says this in a note
00:49:30in dramatic moments
00:49:32there are also those who think about making idiotic videos
00:49:34like this
00:49:34we're filling up the car
00:49:37and we are running away from
00:49:38we are fleeing the region
00:49:41we'll see where we go
00:49:42Switzerland, France
00:49:43no, don't say
00:49:44and he himself said the next day
00:49:47that it was just a game
00:49:48of course it was a joke
00:49:51and most of my friends believed it
00:49:54but this situation is not a game
00:49:56and neither is the law
00:49:59two weeks ago
00:50:00a youtuber had made a video
00:50:02in which he said he had bypassed the red zone of Codogno
00:50:05we managed to get over from here
00:50:07passing through this gate
00:50:08and now we are in the red zone
00:50:12but the video was fake
00:50:13and it was filmed in another municipality
00:50:16out of the red zone
00:50:17for this he was reported
00:50:19I come from the red zone
00:50:21the video of these two girls instead
00:50:23It is true
00:50:24you reported it to us
00:50:25where are we?
00:50:27in Agrizento
00:50:29the video was published the next day
00:50:31of the closure of Lombardy
00:50:32the girls have been identified
00:50:35and reported
00:50:38but there are also positive examples
00:50:40like this nurse from Grosseto
00:50:42who posted a photo of himself on Instagram
00:50:44with the signs of the mask
00:50:46what I ask of anyone who is reading
00:50:49he wrote
00:50:49is not to nullify the effort we are making
00:50:52to be altruistic
00:50:54to stay at home
00:50:55I have to go to work
00:50:56and do my part
00:50:57you do yours
00:51:04then sorry
00:51:05of course we change
00:51:06depending on what we're saying
00:51:09then we talk about prisons
00:51:11but we saw it concluded
00:51:13Marina Barromedri
00:51:14with a positive example
00:51:15there is another positive example
00:51:16that we want to propose
00:51:17because so many of us have seen
00:51:19those images
00:51:20of people running away
00:51:22we heard about people
00:51:23who went skiing
00:51:24when there was the protection zone
00:51:27then instead there is a family from Puglia
00:51:29what he says to his daughter
00:51:30stay where you are
00:51:32if you can't get out of there
00:51:33where you have to stay
00:51:35he interviewed her
00:51:36Filomena Rorro
00:51:37we took the position
00:51:40not to let it start
00:51:41for several reasons
00:51:44among which
00:51:45rightly
00:51:46everyone coming down
00:51:48with the problem
00:51:49that is serious
00:51:49several boys
00:51:50maybe they hadn't understood yet
00:51:52and there was the risk
00:51:54to infect
00:51:55to infect
00:51:56both us
00:51:58I am a trader
00:51:59so there is a
00:52:00let's say
00:52:01a company
00:52:02for which
00:52:04they could be
00:52:05even problems
00:52:05for the closing
00:52:07and among other things
00:52:08we have it
00:52:09I have my mother
00:52:1090 years old
00:52:11a 72-year-old member
00:52:12so we have
00:52:13deemed appropriate
00:52:15not to let it start
00:52:16and stay there in Milan
00:52:18That
00:52:18for various reasons
00:52:20I think that
00:52:21they are better
00:52:23Perfect
00:52:24yes yes
00:52:24no no no
00:52:25fortunately
00:52:25the girls
00:52:26how is he experiencing it?
00:52:28his wife
00:52:28at this moment
00:52:29like mom
00:52:30if I would speak
00:52:32with the heart
00:52:32I would like it here
00:52:33but
00:52:34prevailed
00:52:35common sense
00:52:36and then
00:52:38let's say that
00:52:39I'm calm
00:52:40although
00:52:41who is in Milan
00:52:43let's say
00:52:43we have to do it
00:52:45let's say that
00:52:46Italy
00:52:47it is a strong nation
00:52:48we succeeded
00:52:49always going out
00:52:50from many problems
00:52:52let's hope this time too
00:52:53we will make it
00:52:56then look
00:52:57divided families
00:52:58a mother's heart
00:52:59No
00:52:59but this mother
00:53:00he has common sense
00:53:01he rightly said
00:53:02stay
00:53:03there
00:53:04then first
00:53:05always Maria Boromete
00:53:06he showed you
00:53:06the prison problem
00:53:08look
00:53:08it's a problem
00:53:09real
00:53:10that puts
00:53:11let's say under discussion
00:53:12Also
00:53:12safety
00:53:13then we start with the prisons
00:53:15No
00:53:15we start from the last ones
00:53:16and then you can go
00:53:17after you
00:53:17so they are problems
00:53:18very serious
00:53:19there is one
00:53:20overpopulation
00:53:22of the prisons
00:53:22No
00:53:23which is a problem
00:53:23which of course
00:53:24it also concerns
00:53:26it mainly concerns
00:53:27our policy
00:53:28but we
00:53:28we report the news
00:53:29we'll show you
00:53:30what happened
00:53:32in prison
00:53:33from Melfi
00:53:48from Melfi
00:53:51what happened
00:54:15Thank you all.
00:54:25Let's go to Venice, a city that could not celebrate the carnival and the noises of Venice are also these,
00:54:32those of the prisoners.
00:55:14Let's go to Venice, a city that couldn't celebrate Carnival and the noise of the prisoners.
00:55:18There are also the prison police officers who must always be remembered.
00:55:22But this is a very big problem because these people are in prison because they have presumably committed a crime, but
00:55:30they are at the disposal of the State.
00:55:32So when the State says that a certain distance must be maintained between people, then one must ask whether in
00:55:39In structurally overcrowded prisons, that distance can be maintained.
00:55:44When the state says wear a mask, you have to ask whether masks are allowed in prisons.
00:55:50And then it's not just that, there's also a problem of relationship with the world.
00:55:55Not having the interview for very real health reasons, suddenly, without other solutions, now they are looking for them but not
00:56:04It's easy, it means losing touch with reality for those imprisoned in these conditions.
00:56:09So this is another issue we need to reflect on forever, not just in times of emergency.
00:56:15It's true, they are somehow in the hands of the State, in short, but if there are too many of them they are certainly not at a distance
00:56:22of safety.
00:56:23Now what happened in the prison of Foggia is incredible because these people were filmed on cell phones
00:56:30that they were leaving.
00:56:32When I saw the images for the first time I said, is it possible that there are so many prisoners that…
00:56:36are they leaving?
00:56:37Instead they have gone away, they are going away, here they are, and among these prisoners, many, look, have been
00:56:44caught by the police,
00:56:46but among these prisoners there is one that particularly struck us, those of us who saw him,
00:56:52that we always talk about feminicides,
00:56:54because it is a man called Cristoforo Aguilar who killed his partner's mother and the mother
00:57:02He was simply trying to warn his daughter about this man.
00:57:06This man not only killed her, he is now a fugitive, he is still at large, but he had tried to kill her for three days.
00:57:12before failing to do so.
00:57:14There are some photos, in short, taken by cameras that are incredible.
00:57:19While I'm scrolling through them, of course, I call our Gianvito Cafaro who should be right in front of the Foggia prison.
00:57:27Look, Aguilar tries to shoot this woman, a young woman, a mother, she is the mother of his partner, in fact
00:57:35Aguilar.
00:57:35And it gets stuck, that is, one says luckily, her name is Filomena Bruno, it's this woman, and it gets stuck, one says
00:57:43luckily, however, no, because he then managed to finish it.
00:57:47Gianvito, I believe you interviewed the family's lawyer and are in front of the Foggia prison.
00:57:56What can you tell us, no, about this terrible escape?
00:58:01Yes.
00:58:02Federica, good evening.
00:58:04Four of the 70 or so inmates who escaped last Monday are still missing from the roll call.
00:58:10You showed these incredible images.
00:58:12Little by little they turned themselves in or were caught by the police.
00:58:16And among these four, the 37-year-old Cristoforo Aguilar is missing, who, as you said, had
00:58:25tried to kill his girlfriend's mother.
00:58:29The girlfriend didn't work out for him that time because the gun jammed.
00:58:34But poor Filomena Bruno's appointment with death was only postponed by a few days.
00:58:39Because then he went to the house, he also lived nearby, with stab wounds, with a diving knife, he...
00:58:47killed.
00:58:48And that was the end of poor Filomena Bruna.
00:58:51Do we want to hear from lawyer Sodio?
00:58:53We have a lawyer, we have heard the lawyer of the family, of Bruno, who tells us that since October they were
00:59:00These threats against the woman and her family have started. Let's hear it.
00:59:05There are audio messages via WhatsApp, as well as written messages, in which Aguilar threatened to kill
00:59:13the lady, her whole family,
00:59:15He promised them that he would kill them all and they were absolutely terrified about this situation.
00:59:21Did anything happen after the complaints?
00:59:25Essentially not. The woman has asked for help several times, both in written complaints and especially verbally.
00:59:37and protected.
00:59:37This is certain, I know it from a direct source.
00:59:42And nothing was done, until the first very serious episode occurred two days before.
00:59:50that she was then killed.
00:59:52This episode occurred on October 26th, while his murder was on October 28th of last year.
00:59:59Filomena and her brother Antonio were victims of an attempted murder on the evening of October 26th last year.
01:00:07on Aguilar's part,
01:00:08who entered the bar of the lady's brother, also in Ortanova, and there are some footages from a video camera
01:00:20surveillance,
01:00:21where Aguilar can clearly be seen entering and attempting to shoot the lady.
01:00:26He failed only because the gun jammed.
01:00:28Is the lady being placed under protection in any way?
01:00:33No.
01:00:34The only protection the lady was given was that for a few hours a Carabinieri patrol was stationed outside her house.
01:00:43his, always in Ortanova.
01:00:44Then the patrol left and advised the lady to call 112 for any movement,
01:00:52while the lady remained in her mother's house.
01:00:56So, look, it's these femicides that sometimes...
01:01:00No, we're talking about this again now because there's a fugitive, otherwise there would be so many.
01:01:07that sometimes we even struggle to remember the names of these women who were killed.
01:01:13I think Aguilar's lawyer, Francesco Sant'Angelo, could give us a call...
01:01:20Lawyer? Lawyer Sant'Angelo?
01:01:23Yes.
01:01:24Lawyer?
01:01:25Here I am.
01:01:26Good evening, first of all, can you confirm that your client is still a fugitive?
01:01:31Yes, to the State, yes.
01:01:36Certainly to the State, we have no different news.
01:01:39And perhaps it's time to make an appeal for him to return to prison?
01:01:48Surely the invitation both from me and from his family is what must necessarily be made.
01:01:55to turn themselves in and decide immediately to return to their homelands, because there are no other
01:02:02solutions other than to make themselves immediately available to the judiciary.
01:02:09Listen, Mr. Sant'Angelo, we are pleased to hear that the family members also say this.
01:02:14constitute, since they say that this Aguilar enjoys great protection, obviously
01:02:21his appeal and the appeal of his family is important.
01:02:25Let's hope he is heard.
01:02:27Lawyer?
01:02:28I really think so, I am absolutely not in favour of this protection you are talking about.
01:02:33knowledge and I don't believe there is any such protection.
01:02:37Consider that there is a mother, sisters who through me are in some way
01:02:45way trying to reach the decision, to make this decision to one's own
01:02:54jointly, because it is the most correct and normal thing to do.
01:02:58At the same time Aguilar is also the father of a girl, so there is no possibility
01:03:05that he can do anything other than immediately return to prison or in any case
01:03:09to make himself available to the police, and that is something he must do quickly.
01:03:15So, Attorney Sant'Angelo, naturally we have made this appeal heard and we hope
01:03:20Well, that Aguilar heard it, I thank you for this phone call and now I would like to connect
01:03:28with Aquaniti, thank you, Lawyer, because Aquaniti, well, in the meantime didn't tell him first
01:03:36I said it, but of course we are close to her for her loss, because these are clearly difficult moments
01:03:41difficult, if I may I'll call you commander this evening too, eh?
01:03:49For me it's very nice, I'm in a union capacity but it's a term that I love because it's cum
01:03:56andante, that is, of someone who goes together, not just of someone who leads.
01:03:59So, as if that wasn't enough, right? You obviously have to employ many patrols, many
01:04:06policemen who have to check that people do not leave their homes because they would incur
01:04:11in a crime, there was also this explosive problem of prisons. A problem, as he said
01:04:16First Mineo, politics will obviously take care of it, you have the security problem.
01:04:21But if, then, we heard the lawyer who says, I don't know where he is, but I say turn yourself in
01:04:26and his family says so too. It's a strange thing, by the way, because now, eh, he,
01:04:32well, somehow they escaped, eh, we all saw them, we were amazed, the
01:04:36neighbors were worried, there is a gentleman who wrote to us, I live near the prison,
01:04:42eh, I'm scared, eh, my nephew is ten years old, he heard that some prisoners escaped, in short
01:04:46A truly panicky situation. And what are you doing about this?
01:04:57We had to face different scenarios, it is not only the prison of Foggia, we have engaged
01:05:05a lot of resources, in some cases we even had moments of conflict in order
01:05:13public because someone close to the prisons tried to give support to those who were trying to
01:05:18to escape or who was in revolt. I say this as an association of officials, we have
01:05:23repeatedly urged the politicians to make an investment assessment regarding
01:05:29prison facilities because we are convinced that in a normal country and in a country of law
01:05:35The fact that punishment is effective is fundamental to the functioning of the State. I understand
01:05:44the lawyer's invitation to turn himself in because clearly an active behavior could
01:05:50reduce further criminal consequences for the murderer as I am convinced that my
01:05:58colleagues together with all the other members of the law enforcement agencies because we are one
01:06:01large family will find him and take him in soon. We believe that facing him is one thing.
01:06:09the problem of prison overcrowding with a discussion of investments and seriousness
01:06:15but I find it absolutely despicable to address this issue by blackmailing the State with the
01:06:23violence, taking advantage of an enormously complex moment. I believe that, as I can say, the
01:06:32does not require extraordinary rigor, it simply needs the fact of being
01:06:39respected, to be fair. So, I repeat, we were all shocked by these
01:06:46events, we have all radically changed our living conditions, but understanding,
01:06:52Human understanding stops when not only is the law violated but cowardly exploitation is also taking place.
01:07:01of the difficulty of the State using force. At this point the State must do
01:07:06just one thing through. The water in the, no, I meant, absurdly, but anyway we are
01:07:11seen by their prisoner, Corona told us that he had been in prison, he told us
01:07:16Look, you're very much in the public eye in prison. Many relatives of inmates are writing to us.
01:07:21who are very worried, so the relatives actually say tell us, let's not commit another
01:07:29crime because otherwise it's even worse. When there are 13 people who die killing each other
01:07:36with drug substitutes because they are in withdrawal. Yes, because then the deaths are
01:07:40perverse states because they stole... And we must take responsibility, as a State
01:07:44democratic, as Laquaniti said, we must also take charge of the prisoners who are in
01:07:50abstinence. We can't pretend the problem doesn't exist.
01:07:53This is the doubt. I agree with you on this. I believe that the State at the moment
01:08:01in which it has in charge certain individuals who have to serve a sentence that has the purpose
01:08:05re-educational, must absolutely take charge of it and it is the responsibility of the State.
01:08:11We used this term before. I totally agree with you on this.
01:08:15She. What I cannot accept is that the solution requires extreme measures.
01:08:21of violence. That's not how you deal with it. We're clear about the problem, we've reported it.
01:08:27well before these riots happened as an association of police officials, but without
01:08:33violence.
01:08:34Of course, what he said before is important, that we need to address these issues first.
01:08:39situations because they then become even more emergency-like.
01:08:42I would like to, as much as possible, but after all, some of us also try to live this
01:08:52situation by sending each other these cartoons that we're doing. He sent me one, he made me
01:08:58our Andrea Venturini who follows us via Skype from one of the municipalities, is having a lot of fun
01:09:05that I had sent Italy completely red, with the hammer and sickle. The hammer was mine
01:09:10really laughable. So, a little lightheartedness with Paolo Fattori.
01:09:15Guys, sorry to bother you, but are they doing Who Saw It on Rai 3? Who Saw It?
01:09:22We're all staying indoors, sorry.
01:09:30China. Virus outbreak. Quarantine immediately. Work activities suspended. Construction
01:09:37hospitals in ten days.
01:09:39Mario, come and say hello to Luzio Giovanni, who just returned from China.
01:09:44Italy. February 22. The virus arrives.
01:09:49Please do not try the penne. Thank you. When explaining to Italians
01:09:54How to avoid contagion and how quarantine works. When the police stop you and you have
01:10:01drank too much. From Back to the Future.
01:10:10People passing through Codogno in 2020.
01:10:13Oh boy, they're thinking of closing schools for two weeks.
01:10:18So kids, we have to go pick them up in two weeks, right?
01:10:23I bought myself a little cow.
01:10:27Oh virus hello, virus hello, virus hello, bye, bye.
01:10:31I'm in debt to the little cow.
01:10:35It costs as much as one and a bit.
01:10:38This medicine that I discovered, basically you have to take it 4-5 times a week.
01:10:45A small piece, so we can show you, would practically be the Verbicaro sausage, the spicy one.
01:10:52Here the microbes practically die immediately.
01:10:54North Rome.
01:10:57Top mask, it also has a filter.
01:11:00Rome Center.
01:11:02This is the right one, the mask.
01:11:04Rome East.
01:11:07My wife said that I have paper towels, that the diapers lower them and I want to believe it.
01:11:22Closed for closure, we will reopen at opening.
01:11:27The sofa, a UNESCO world heritage site.
01:11:30To stay at home you don't have to go out.
01:11:34And other complex and intricate quantum physics theorems that Italians obviously have difficulty fully understanding.
01:11:46Of course we'll get pissed off, but we have to stay pissed off, we have to take our responsibility as citizens in a
01:11:52interconnected global society.
01:11:54What does it mean?
01:11:54Well, if something happens anywhere in the world, in the end...
01:11:59Hey Google, I'm going for a walk.
01:12:03But where the fuck are you going, you idiot, if you catch the coronavirus you'll stretch and paw?
01:12:31I stayed at home with my family.
01:12:34They seem like good people.
01:12:36You fucking idiots stay home
01:12:39It doesn't make me be rude anymore
01:12:42That without telling him or at random
01:12:45If he can, he will survive.
01:12:48You fucking idiots stay home
01:12:52He acts like a civilized person
01:12:55That you have a poor middle school diploma
01:12:58You open books until April
01:13:03Oh Ale, where are you going?
01:13:06I'm going to take a walk in the kitchen
01:13:17This is your pilot talking to you
01:13:20I'm working from home today
01:13:21And for your own good
01:13:28You need to stop touching your face
01:13:35Six months closed in the cellar
01:13:37And what was he doing locked in the cellar?
01:13:38The war
01:13:39In the cellar?
01:13:40Yes
01:13:40While the world was fighting
01:13:42I resisted locked in the cellar alone
01:13:44No light, no water
01:13:46Always wine, only wine
01:13:47And did it come out when the war ended?
01:13:49No, when the wine is finished
01:14:18At that time
01:14:20So I also thank Marcello Laurenti, Antonio Falasca, I would reconnect with Giovanna Botteri, we now clearly our correspondents continue
01:14:30to answer you, now it's like it's a bit of a friendly help desk, let's try to do this.
01:14:38Of course Giovanna, when you see these cartoons you naturally bring us back to reality, did you expect us to end up like this?
01:14:46here in Italy, you who are in Beijing?
01:14:50I don't know, I had the feeling right away, that was why Paura, I didn't want to argue with the
01:14:57Professor Rezza, but the feeling immediately was that it was something terrible.
01:15:03When Xi Jinping said it's a war and he closed all the factories, he closed all the production and
01:15:12He clearly put a country like China that had shed tears and blood for 70 years to build the
01:15:22one's own well-being, one's own future, a dream.
01:15:26When he wrote all this off because he said the danger was too serious, we understood that the danger was really
01:15:33great, that certainly the borders of China would not have stopped him.
01:15:38Giovanna, I have to interrupt you because you know that Maurizio Mannoni will yell at us if we get through to him late.
01:15:56What time is it where you are?
01:15:59Do we have to give the layette line?
01:16:01We don't know.
01:16:01Do you really want to know?
01:16:03It's seven in the morning.
01:16:05So we'll see her later on the night line I think.
01:16:08Giovanna thank you, thank you all, see you on Wednesday if not before, during, in short the important thing is that we see each other
01:16:16Still.
01:16:16Good evening.
01:16:17Thank you.