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00:04The public prosecutor leading the investigation, Dr. Antonio Cristillo, does not have the slightest
00:11doubt about it. In fact, despite the turbulent relationship between Carlotta and Marco,
00:19The PM is investigating for incitement to suicide, first against unknown persons, then directly against Marco
00:27Venturi. However, on October 22nd of last year, before the deadline for the
00:35investigations, the prosecutor asks to close the case as a suicide. In short, for him it's all
00:44Of course. Why would my sister have killed herself? Because I can also tell you, okay,
00:52Let's assume he lost his mind, but why do it 100 meters from home, 50 meters from
00:58house, in a tree, in the square, when my sister is an extremely private person. This man
01:03she consumed it, but those who knew my sister also knew that she was extremely strong. My sister has
01:08overcome things in your life that you can't even imagine. My sister was a woman
01:14strong as she was extremely sensitive. My sister would never have done something like that.
01:27On the night of her death, the PM writes in the request for archiving, the young woman,
01:33in a state of drunkenness due to the alcohol ingested, prey to jealousy because that evening Marco
01:39he turned his attention to another woman, exhausted by the fatigue accumulated in the last few
01:46times in the early hours of May 31st he has a profound psychophysical breakdown and hangs himself. When
01:55she commits this extreme act, there is no one with her, least of all her boyfriend Marco Venturi.
02:06That evening, before she committed suicide, the two had already separated, the prosecutor claims. There are the
02:15CCTV footage proves it. The request to dismiss the case of suicide sparks a conflict.
02:26very tough between the PM and Carlotta's relatives, with her sister Giorgia fighting on the front line
02:34together with her mother Giovanna. Her father had died a few years ago. Giorgia does not accept the
02:44arguments of the PM, above all the image of his poor sister who is being hurt
02:51outside the pages of the investigation, that of a half-alcoholic with fragile nerves who goes
03:00She's out of her mind and commits suicide because she's jealous of Marco Venturi. A wrong and unacceptable way of
03:09represent a much more complex and dramatic human experience. To begin with, says Giorgia,
03:18Marco brutally beat Carlotta, who had to be rushed to the hospital more than once.
03:26Listen to this email addressed to Marco Venturi, kept by Carlotta in a folder of her
03:34computer along with other emails of the same nature.
03:39Ok Marco, I decided to write to you. I decided to reiterate what I've already said verbally and
03:45Repeated. We argued, yes. And that's something that happens between two people, of course. Too bad the triggering motivation
03:52did not have the slightest real weight that could justify even half the anger
03:57I ended up in the hospital with a torn eardrum, covered in bruises,
04:03Bruises and cuts everywhere. On my arms, wrists, legs, even inside my mouth.
04:09A locked jaw, a temple as big as a mushroom, a leg I could no longer stand on
04:14and a broken back. Not to mention the bruises on my head, because you took me
04:19weight by the hair to throw me out of the car, into a puddle, and then be
04:24I was kicked. I was laid up in bed for three days, and I'm still suffering the consequences to this day.
04:30You can tell me whatever you want about it, but nothing I have said or done can
04:35justify the avalanche of beatings you gave me. And you gave me a lot. Get that through your head. And if you don't
04:41the
04:42You still recognize, this is another serious problem. Not only are you minimizing, but you don't remember what you did.
04:48and you admonish me by saying, if you let me into your house then I didn't beat you up so much. Or after
04:54I'll show you some of the pictures, ah but I hurt you so much, I didn't think. Okay, I
05:00Sorry, but what can I do? What can you do? Now come to me and tell me that I'm acting like
05:08teenager because I don't want to see you, that my behavior is not sensible and immature. You say that
05:15You love me and you can't even respect my request. Now I'm scared. And I
05:20I miss you. You've insinuated yourself and become a constant part of my life. If I had been attacked by one
05:26An unknown asshole would have been a different story. Instead, the asshole who beat me up is a person
05:32that I was starting to love deeply and that in the meantime screams at me that I'm not worth a damn and that
05:38I hate him for deserving to be interned. Wow, exactly two days ago you told me you wanted
05:45get married, you know. After my whole shitty year, I'm in pieces now. I need to get up and
05:53love me.
05:56Due to the brutal beatings she suffered, Carlotta had repeatedly reported her boyfriend. And she still is.
06:05An investigation is underway that sees Marco Venturi under investigation for mistreatment and assault.
06:14that the PM Cristillo kept the two investigations strictly separate, the one for incitement
06:20to suicide and that for mistreatment and injuries makes Giorgia furious.
06:27What are we opposing? To the fact that someone might think of filing in a situation like this?
06:32gender. Moreover, in that case you were filing me for incitement to suicide. When
06:38Do you have another file in your hand where you know that this woman was stalked and beaten?
06:46And you want to file me for incitement to suicide? I mean, something doesn't add up.
06:51It's obvious and evident. If you look at the photographs of Carlotta two years ago and Carlotta in the last
06:57period that she was with him, they are two completely different Carlottas. Here, but the question that
07:02one is... Why does a woman continue to stay, to frequent? So, this person wasn't just
07:10violent, this person was also extremely nice in the moments when Carlotta needed it
07:17to be comforted, she was present. It wasn't just beatings. In short, it's the usual mechanisms
07:25that are unleashed in those definitely unhealthy relationships. So my sister certainly had
07:33a problem, because it is inevitable, because a woman cannot stay with a man of the
07:38gender. What I can tell you is that she tried to leave him. She tried to leave him.
07:43on multiple occasions, in multiple situations and even for a certain amount of time. Only he doesn't
07:51He left for a moment, but just a second. Carlotta was scared. She went from moments in which she was
07:56scared at times when she said, well, but all in all he loves me, he's always there,
08:02He wants to be with me. That is, he also interpreted all this overexposure in the relationship
08:08like too much love, which in reality is not too much love, it's a sick or wrong love.
08:13Carlotta goes so far as to say that she fears for her safety. The problem is that in
08:18moment in which you also call the associations, the centers against violence against women, etc.,
08:23they answer you that if she doesn't want to make the first move, the family members can't do it
08:28nothing. Because we were following moments in which Carlotta was convinced and went ahead
08:33at full speed, at times when he would then get involved again. When he would get involved again
08:38she, how did I understand, why did she stop calling me, she called me every day,
08:41several times a day. When she returned with him she disappeared. Why? Because she was ashamed,
08:46because he knew he was wrong.
08:51At the end of 2016, in the investigation into the death of Carlotta Benusilio, there is a coup
08:58on stage. The point of view of Giorgia, her family, and her friends marks a very important point.
09:06in his favor when the PM Cristillo moves to another office and the colleague who replaces him,
09:14Dr. Marco Gallo does not sign the request for archiving, but arranges new
09:21investigations that are still ongoing. One of the questions the new
09:28PM is definitely this. Was Marco Venturi with Carlotta at the time of her death? A circumstance
09:38that Dr. Cristillo, the old PM, had peremptorily excluded, but that Giorgia,
09:45His mother and friends believe it is probable if not certain. What we know
09:51It's just that that night they were together, they argued and it was visible on the cameras. After a while
09:58He disappears and she is found hanging from a tree. So let's try to clarify the
10:07ideas on this very important point. So a camera shows us Carlotta and Marco who
10:15At around 3.39am on May 31st they are in Piazza Napoli and are heading towards the gate of the palace
10:23where Carlotta lives. Shortly after, another camera was placed inside the entrance hall of the neighboring building.
10:33frames Carlotta di Sguincio who is heading towards the park where she will be found hanged
10:40About an hour and a half later. Three and a half minutes later, at 3:42, the first camera
10:48he frames Marco Venturi again who, skirting Piazza Napoli, heads off in another direction.
10:58Did Marco Venturi return to her afterwards? Was he with her at the time of her death? Of course.
11:06No, Marco will declare to the prosecutor Cristillo. But there is more than one friend of his.
11:13and Carlotta to whom, in the hours and days following her death, Marco would have declared
11:21the opposite. Yes, I went back to Piazza Napoli. I looked for it but I didn't find it and I went
11:29go on. What is the truth then?
11:36The only certain thing is that Carlotta died hanging from the scarf that was more than two meters long.
11:44that she used as scarves. How did Carlotta, Giorgia wonders, hook up
11:51the scarf to the branch of Rubinia, which is two meters and forty from the ground, she who does not
11:57Was it very high? Throwing a corner of her scarf up to swing over the branch, she had speculated
12:04PM Cristillo, pulling it down, tying it around his neck and knotting it at the other end of the
12:13scarf. But it wasn't the same PM, Giorgia thinks, who wrote that Carlotta that night
12:21Was she drunk and had difficulty moving? How then had she managed to perform all those maneuvers?
12:29And what about the knot he had around his neck, so well done, so tight, that the rescuers
12:37they hadn't been able to untie it and had to cut the scarf? It had been just
12:44she to tie that knot. However, the fact remains that no one had seen what had happened to
12:52Carlotta that night and no camera had framed the moment of death.
13:00This is true, say Carlotta's relatives, who immediately add: It is also true
13:08but the shorts Carlotta was wearing that night were loose and pulled down in the
13:16left side and on Carlotta's external genitals, on her panties and on the back of her duster coat
13:24black, traces of seminal fluid belonging to, beyond all reasonable
13:32According to the Berusilio family's consultant, Marco Venturi is in doubt. How did he end up there?
13:39and when Marco Venturi's sperm ended up on Carlotta's body and on the clothes she was wearing
13:46that night? From which Marco Venturi's DNA had been extracted? And the epithelial traces
13:55Marco's? How did they end up under Carlotta's unies? The problem isn't how they got there
14:01those traces ended there, PM Cristillo had argued in his request for archiving.
14:09But when? Since the traces from which DNA can be extracted, the PM added, can
14:17even go back 72 hours. We had made love for the last time that morning, he had
14:27Marco Venturi declared to the magistrate, in Carlotta's bed, in the loft in Piazza Napoli.
14:37That seminal fluid was very fresh, the Berusilio family consultant had retorted.
14:44It had been left on Carlotta's body and clothes shortly before her death.
14:53According to lawyer Tizzoni, legal representative of Giorgia and Giovanna, Carlotta's sister and mother,
15:01it cannot be excluded that the tragic event may have occurred as a consequence of
15:08an extreme erotic game.
15:11We believe it is plausible that the death was due to the consequence of a defined erotic game
15:17bondage which involves risks and basically consists of a relationship which is characterised
15:22also from the almost strangling activity, the use of nooses or other similar instruments
15:31which actually try to create a situation of near-asphyxiation.
15:35This is not a simple fantasy because this type of erotic activity was practiced
15:40by the couple and this is recorded in the documents and is acknowledged by the ex-boyfriend himself.
15:52Bondage, according to the encyclopedias, is an erotic practice in which through tying
16:00and physical constraint immobilizes the partner.
16:05It is possible to tie with ropes, corsets, hoods, gags or chains.
16:11The same can be achieved through various techniques, including body suspension.
16:20to ceilings or supports.
16:23In general, bondage is based on the consensual impediment of physical freedom and movement.
16:31to see, to speak, to hear.
16:36Something similar had happened that evening between Carlotta and Marco Ventura.
16:49First a turbulent night, made of arguments in the streets of the city and then, at dawn,
16:58a sort of unhealthy reconciliation with that ferocious sexual ritual, which ended tragically.
17:06What really happened that night is being verified by Dr. Gallo, the new
17:13PM.
17:15So, now that we know a lot more, both about the characters and the story, let's try to
17:23to retrace once again the hours of that fateful night.
17:32Carlotta and Marco spend the evening at the Cape Town club, on the canals.
17:39She sits at one table, he has another table.
17:44But after one o'clock, they left together.
17:48Most likely they separated soon after and Carlotta returned home.
17:55In fact, at 1.47am, his cell phone had connected to the cell at his house in Piazza Napoli.
18:05But at 2.41, Marco's black mini reappears in front of Carlotta's door, where
18:13stop for four minutes.
18:22Carlotta goes out, leaving the front door open, the light on and the computer transmitting
18:29music.
18:30Jeff Buckley's Hallelujah will play over and over again until the next day.
18:41Carlotta gets into Marco's car, which drives away from Piazza Napoli.
18:47They move to Piazza Piemonte, where, filmed by a camera, Carlotta and Marco argue,
18:55because he's acting stupid with another woman, maybe a prostitute.
19:01It was Marco himself who, after the woman's death, reported this episode to the investigators.
19:08At around 3.38am, Carlotta and Marco reach Piazza Napoli on foot, where they continue to argue.
19:17furiously, so much so that it attracted the attention of a patrolling army jeep
19:24who stops next to the two. Marco, however, reassures the soldiers. But as soon as the jeep drives away,
19:33Carlotta and Marco turn the corner and start arguing again. Carlotta even tries to hit him.
19:41Marco with a kick. Most likely she is furious because Marco, as he apparently often did,
19:51He stole her house keys and she can't get back in.
19:56My feeling was, okay, he's not giving her the keys, so she's going crazy,
20:00because she felt deprived of her freedom, because that's essentially how she felt
20:05that he was playing. It was this constant game that made her feel unfree.
20:12A few seconds later, at 3:39, we see them together for the last time. Carlotta walks by
20:21alone and Marco follows her like an annoying shadow. At 3.39 and 32 seconds, the two disappear into the
20:31camera view. A few moments later, a second camera, placed in the entrance hall of the building,
20:40next to the one where Carlotta lives, it frames her sideways as she heads towards the place
20:48not far away, where an hour and a half later she will be found dead. At 3:42 minutes and 41 seconds, she can be seen
21:01Marco
21:02move away in the opposite direction. What happened in those two minutes and 42 seconds, give or take a second?
21:12a time, Giorgia thinks, that seems short but could actually be very long. It's shortly after
21:22that Carlotta dies from suffocation. In those moments she is alone, as Dr. Cristillo hypothesized,
21:29the old PM. And what if, Giorgia suspects, everything had happened in that short period of time,
21:37less than three minutes. If Marco, who was following Carlotta like a shadow, had reached her. If continuing to
21:47tormenting each other, had played, once again, their risky sexual game. It was
21:56It was Marco, who is over six feet tall, who anchored the scarf at two feet forty
22:03Of
22:03height and do everything else. What happened next? Had something gone wrong? Nightmarish thoughts.
22:14that crowd Giorgia's mind. But how is it possible to do all this in such a short time? And what's more...
22:30there is
22:31also a circumstance that would deny that things could have gone that way. In fact, at the dawn of
22:40that morning, shortly after four, a gentleman had waited for a taxi for about ten minutes in
22:47a point in Piazza Napoli, right in front of the tree where Carlotta will be found hanged, no more than
22:55ten meters from that funereal Robinia. I saw nothing and I heard nothing. In the square there is nothing
23:04He heard a fly flying. He had reported that gentleman to the investigators. But if Carlotta had been
23:11Already there, how could that man not have seen her? Why wasn't the poor thing hanging from the tree yet?
23:19Why hadn't the tragedy happened yet? So, how did Carlotta die? And when?
23:32Let's go back to the moment when Carlotta enters the park and Marco Venturi, two minutes and 42 seconds later, goes
23:41in
23:41another direction. He takes a taxi, we know this for sure, to return to Piazza Piemonte where he left
23:50his car. And in the car are Carlotta's house keys. Marco will confirm to the investigators that
23:59found them right in the car. Not that evening, though, but the next day. At four Marco enters
24:07this pharmacy and at a quarter past four is stopped for a few minutes for a check by a
24:15military patrol. From that moment until 5:17, when Marco was caught on camera returning home.
24:25So for an hour, nothing more will be heard of him and his car. How does Marco Venturi fill that
24:33'Now?
24:34Is he going back to Piazza Napoli, which at that time, without traffic, he would have reached in about ten minutes?
24:41Is he going back to Carlotta to bring her the keys? This is the central point that Dr. Marco Gallo,
24:49the new PM is trying to clarify. However, in front of the investigators, Marco Venturi has always
24:59He denied returning to Piazza Napoli that night. However, he apparently told his friends other things.
25:08For example, listen to what Marco supposedly told Dori, his and Carlotta's friend.
25:15He told me that he had left Carlotta that night in Piazza Napoli. At that point he would have taken
25:21a taxi to go and get Carlotta's house keys, which were forgotten in the car. I confirm that
25:26Venturi told me that he would take the taxi precisely because he had to get the keys.
25:31Venturi added that after having taken a car, a mini, I think, he returned to the square
25:37Naples and had looked for Carlotta without finding her. Then at a certain point he said something to me that struck me.
25:43It seemed strange and that's why I remember it by heart. Do you know what Carlotta was like? Always playing
25:49with that fucking scarf. Dori was an accident.
25:54Marco Venturi never returned to Piazza Napoli, Dr. Cristillo wrote in the request
26:02of archiving, because it was not captured by any camera. And that's true. But it's also true that with
26:12of the many cameras located around the square, only three had produced useful images.
26:23However, Marco Venturi continues to repeat to everyone that it was a disaster. Carlotta,
26:32he adds immediately after, he was always playing with that damn scarf. Marco had tried
26:41also to meet Giorgia Benusillo, who however refused to see him. Then he had
26:49I sent this message. If you think I'm the one who encouraged her to commit suicide, you don't understand.
26:57Nothing. She didn't commit suicide. If you ever want to talk about it, I'm here. And then let's not let everything...
27:06His talent ends up on the news page. We, on the other hand, would have gladly spoken with Marco
27:16Venturi to have him clarify the many still unclear points of this dramatic story. But
27:25Through his lawyer, we couldn't convince him to meet with us. Not even the lawyer,
27:32with whom we had some telephone conversations, he agreed to give us an interview.
27:40Marco will clarify everything with the new PM. The lawyer has always told us. For example,
27:48We had tried to press him. It will be clear once and for all whether that night, after four o'clock,
27:55He had returned to Carlotta in Piazza Napoli. What if he had done bondage with her? About the story of the
28:03A lot of nonsense was said about bondage. The lawyer had responded to us with an indulgent air. Marco
28:10He clearly said that he and Carlotta practiced bondage only occasionally,
28:17that it wasn't routine. And of course, they hadn't done it that night.
28:22Regarding the organic material on Carlotta's clothes and body, the lawyer added,
28:30in the investigation documents there are consultancies from top professionals who say very
28:37different from the theses of Dr. Capra, the consultant of the Benusiglio family.
28:44But let's leave the PM to work in peace, Marco Venturi's lawyer always concludes our discussions.
28:52You'll see that everything will become clear. However, Marco has full confidence in Dr. Gallo and is waiting.
28:59calmly make his decisions, which, we might add, now seem imminent.
29:08So you can imagine how hectic these days are for Giorgia Benusiglio and her mother.
29:15Giovanna, but also for Carlotta's many friends. All eagerly awaiting the decisions of the
29:25Dr. Gallo: Friends and relatives feel that the truth about what happened that night is out.
29:32It might finally be near. That their beloved Carlotta might finally get some justice.