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CLV | Speciale 2015 [1.4] Yara | Elena Ceste (I processi) 2015.07.09
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00:48Good evening everyone, Thursday is an unusual day but we want to dedicate a special episode to those who saw it.
00:54two important trials, both taking place, begin in July.
00:58You know about the trial of Massimo Bossetti for the murder of little Iara and the trial of Michele, her husband.
01:05all, by Elena Ceste, the mother of Costigliole Dasti.
01:09Our correspondents went to the Palace of Justice. We'll start with Bergamo; Gian Loreto Carbone is our correspondent.
01:16with Veronica Briganti.
01:35In a couple of hours, in this building behind me, the Palace of Justice of Bergamo, the trial will begin
01:42against Massimo Giuseppe Bossetti,
01:45who is accused of killing Yara Gambirasio on November 26, 2010.
01:57Yes, finally Gian Loreto the case is moving to court, because until now we had only seen courts on television talk shows.
02:05Even the public in Italy is already divided between those who believe he is innocent on one side and those who believe he is guilty on the other.
02:12Today finally there is the first hearing, look how many people there are, journalists have arrived from all over Europe,
02:18so not only Italian journalists, but they are practically interested in this case and this trial,
02:24in practically all European countries.
02:26This is an important thing, in Bergamo, a city like this.
02:29Exactly, and why? Because this survey has some exceptional features.
02:34That is, what has happened here in recent years has practically never happened in Italy,
02:40but maybe not even in the rest of the world.
02:45But we will talk about this investigation, with its extraordinary characteristics, later.
02:51Now we have to go into the classroom.
02:54We would like to inform you right away that television broadcasts are not permitted in the courtroom.
03:00We will therefore tell you how the first hearing unfolded.
03:06There were people queuing up as early as six thirty in the morning, trying to get the best seats.
03:12The desire to see Bossetti in the flesh was too strong,
03:16after having had an indigestion of his flat image in newspapers and on TV.
03:27The courtroom is tiered, with lawyers and prosecutors down there at the back,
03:35and the court, with the lay judges, in front, on a long, raised seat.
03:42There are about seventy people packed into the stands,
03:48many more than there should be.
03:53There is a strange atmosphere in that room inside this building,
03:59an anxious wait, an almost embarrassed silence,
04:03as if an autopsy was about to begin rather than a trial.
04:12There is also anticipation for the arrival of Bossetti's women,
04:17he marries his wife and Esther his mother.
04:20How will they behave in the classroom?
04:23It is known to all that their relationship fell apart
04:27after the earthquake following the arrest.
04:30For the love of the masses, one wonders,
04:34will they sit next to each other?
04:36Or will they meet his gaze, each sitting alone?
04:43And Yara's mom and dad, will they come?
04:47Those two silent, dignified and desperate gentlemen?
04:53Here, here something is about to happen.
04:57From the side of the glass cage you can hear noises.
05:01A prison guard appears, then another.
05:04And here Bossetti appears,
05:07accompanied by a tremor in the room.
05:10He wears a blue Apollo,
05:13crossed by a gigantic writing.
05:16It's the first thing you notice.
05:18And then you immediately notice another one.
05:21Bossetti is more tanned than when he entered prison.
05:26He wears jeans and tennis shoes.
05:29And he has gel in his hair.
05:32He is very thin, small, almost insubstantial.
05:36The handcuffs are removed from him.
05:39The operation was followed by the entire room with spasmodic attention.
05:43He remains standing, bewildered.
05:47Before a prison guard invites him to sit down
05:51in front of a small table with a microphone on it.
05:56The hearing begins.
05:57At one point, Bossetti turns and looks to the right.
06:03Look for his lawyers.
06:05But his gaze is intercepted
06:08from the gaze of Dr. Ruggeri,
06:12the inflexible public prosecutor
06:14who sent him to jail.
06:16And Bossetti knows he will do everything,
06:19to make it stay there.
06:23July 1st,
06:25two days before it opened in Bergamo
06:28the trial against Massimo Bossetti,
06:31another trial has begun in Asti
06:34spasmodically followed by public opinion.
06:38The one against Michele Boninconti,
06:40accused of killing his wife Elena Ceste.
06:45Even in the trial taking place in Asti
06:48there are relatives of the victim
06:51of those torn by pain.
06:53There are especially those four children
06:56left without their mother.
06:59The judge took away Boninconti's
07:02parental authority
07:04and entrusted the children to their maternal grandparents.
07:07Here are the poor parents of Elena Ceste.
07:11They are troubled as they walk towards Laura
07:15because soon they will meet their gaze
07:19with Michele's gaze.
07:21The man accused of killing their Elena.
07:24They haven't seen him for a year.
07:26Since Michele was arrested.
07:33Michele chose the abbreviated rite.
07:36that is, he asked to be tried behind closed doors
07:41in front of a handful of people
07:43without witnesses,
07:45without a real debate
07:48especially without the presence
07:51of journalists and cameras.
07:53A single judge will judge
07:56based on the evidence gathered so far by the prosecutor.
08:00In exchange, in case of conviction
08:03Michele will have his sentence reduced by a third.
08:07It's not an admission of guilt
08:09someone immediately said
08:11not even in your dreams
08:13the defense lawyers replied.
08:17Michele just wants to avoid
08:19that his face ends up on television every day
08:22and does not want to cause further pain to his children.
08:26Michael is innocent
08:28and we will prove it
08:30they affirm peremptorily
08:32Lawyers Girola and Tortoroglio
08:35exactly what their colleagues say
08:39who defend Bossetti in Bergamo.
08:45Good evening again to all of you
08:46But this time we are not live
08:48but we wanted to be there
08:50for two women
08:51a little woman, Yara
08:53a young girl who was facing life
08:55and Elena Ceste
08:57Costigliole Dasti's mother
08:58both cases start
09:00with a disappearance
09:02and then a terrible discovery for Yara
09:04but also for the mother of Costigliole Dasti
09:06we started with all of you
09:09to get to know this country
09:11precisely Costigliole Dasti
09:12and this big house
09:14where one day
09:15and it wasn't that long ago
09:17there lived a family
09:18we are there with Gialloreto Carbone
09:20and Maria Lucia Monticelli
09:35and the children
09:38what will happen to the children
09:40what will they think
09:42how they will live
09:44how will they be able to overcome such great pain
09:48this is the thought
09:50that comes to mind
09:51when a mother disappears
09:54and when a dad
09:55he is suspected
09:57that it was him
09:58to make it disappear
10:06So, do you want to change your dad?
10:09huh?
10:11ask
10:11I want to change my dad
10:15no, the children don't want another dad
10:18they want their dad
10:20they want their dad Michele
10:23who does a beautiful job
10:25the fireman
10:26the firefighter
10:43but they also want their mother
10:46which instead is no longer there
10:51there were four of them in that house
10:53large
10:54two-story
10:55with the garden and the chickens
10:58accustomed to lunches
11:00and to dinners all together
11:01at snacks
11:03to the quarrels
11:05to fights over a toy
11:08or because something broke
11:10but now everything has changed
11:12there is silence
11:14and questions to swallow
11:17inside the throat
11:18because inappropriate
11:19was it you dad?
11:22it's really as they say
11:23was it you?
11:30and what memory they will have
11:32of their mother?
11:33we ask ourselves
11:34they will remember it
11:36in household chores
11:38when he put them to bed
11:41they will remember that last day
11:43of when they said goodbye to her
11:45to go to school
11:48they got into the car
11:49and they never saw her again
11:54This is how the story began
11:56by Elena Ceste
11:57Costigliore d'Asti's mother
12:00it was January 24th
12:02last year
12:03when a man goes to the Carabinieri
12:06and says
12:07my wife is missing
12:08for Italians
12:10it's that man
12:11that is placed in front
12:12at the microphones
12:13who stop in front
12:14at his house
12:20there is snow
12:22and he screams
12:23some disjointed sentences
12:25give it back to me
12:26what are you doing?
12:27he has four children
12:28as?
12:30give it back to me
12:31because he has four children
12:32what do you do with it?
12:35but who took Elena?
12:38who did she go away with?
12:39this young stay-at-home mom?
12:42a forced removal
12:44because my wife
12:45she would never have left
12:47from home
12:47standing
12:48and without documents
12:49throughout the day
12:50before my wife disappeared
12:52on the computer
12:53I found
12:53adzi 7-8
12:56photographs
12:56of compromising messages
12:58he is a man
12:59he is a man
13:00Yes
13:00and that morning
13:01while I was going to school
13:03I crossed the car
13:05and I can remember
13:06just the car
13:07which is the same
13:08plus the first two letters
13:10of the license plate
13:11because it's a grey golf
13:13clear
13:14CB license plate
13:15and I was going towards
13:16rib
13:17and that car
13:17he was going down towards my house
13:18the content of these messages
13:20it is of a sentimental nature
13:22what content is it?
13:23Yes
13:24they are sentimental contents
13:25Yes
13:26so this person
13:27he was probably trying
13:28of attention towards his wife
13:29I think so
13:30because otherwise
13:31it couldn't be explained
13:31send all those messages
13:33I love you
13:34and everything else
13:35but this person
13:37this man
13:37does she know him?
13:38I know him
13:38because he's someone we know
13:39we also hang out
13:41but the man accused by Michele
13:44he seems to have an ironclad alibi
13:47and the carabinieri
13:48they continue to ask
13:50a thousand questions to him
13:51to her husband
13:52the carabinieri followed
13:54until this morning
13:55the trail of the jealous husband
13:57two more policemen came
13:58this morning
13:59they went around the garden
14:01to see if there was a pit
14:03Enough
14:03I can't talk anymore
14:05because I'm under interrogation
14:07for a week
14:11This is how we begin to know Elena
14:14only after
14:16we come to know
14:17which is not from a small country
14:19but of a big city
14:21Turin
14:23who studied
14:24who is a cultured woman
14:26and full of interests
14:28but that at a certain point
14:30no one knows why
14:31he meets in Costiglione
14:33and one child after another arrives
14:35she is very young
14:37and he has four of them
14:43she feels disappointed by life
14:45he wanted to escape
14:47from the monotony of marriage
14:49and from the effort of carrying on
14:51all by myself
14:52it is unlikely
14:55she would be back there soon
14:57or she would have shown up
14:59with the children
15:01then there's that strange story
15:03that of clothes
15:05Michael
15:06the husband
15:07he insists on saying
15:09who went away naked
15:13even without glasses
15:14she who is without glasses
15:16he can't see from here to there
15:21Michele lets us in
15:22in his house
15:23there is Emily De Cesare
15:25it's the first interview
15:27which releases Michele
15:29it shows me these messages
15:31and he tells me
15:32that don't leave her alone
15:33that she can't stay calm
15:37why don't they leave me alone
15:39messages like
15:41I love you
15:43as if you were addressing me
15:45and why
15:47you feel alone
15:50see you at the usual place
15:52so what's your reaction
15:54when does she tell you these things?
15:56I think my wife
15:57he needed help
15:58that maybe he was losing
15:59a little bit of the head
16:01she repeated it to me
16:02that night there
16:03who had made a mistake
16:07and that mistake
16:08it had cost him dearly
16:09because they were blackmailing her
16:11she spoke to you
16:12of a video
16:13of a photomontage?
16:14she spoke to me
16:15of these things like that
16:16that there was one
16:18who had filmed it
16:19that she was a state
16:21who couldn't move
16:22as if she
16:22she was dazed
16:24she was drugged
16:27she told me that she
16:28he was not aware
16:30but she had noticed
16:32that there was one
16:33in the dark
16:34with a camera
16:35because he had seen a shadow
16:37and with a little light
16:38that was seen
16:39like a little light
16:39of a camera
16:41as if she were worried
16:43that someone then
16:44through this video
16:45could blackmail her
16:47Yes
16:47in fact she beat
16:49right on that
16:50a video
16:52it is not clear
16:54who must have done it?
16:56this video
16:56and blackmailed by those who
16:58Why
16:59and anyway
17:01if he was scared
17:03for his person
17:04or his reputation
17:06it would then be
17:07made to be found
17:08but the weeks go by
17:10and not even the parents
17:12sitting together
17:13next to each other
17:14break that silence
17:17that seems never ending
17:18that of the daughter
17:20to Elena
17:20who gives no news about himself
17:23Nothing
17:24we are here
17:26For
17:29for you
17:30Elena
17:32whatever happened
17:35if you
17:36you can
17:38to tell us something
17:40a nod
17:42or someone
17:43who knows
17:43let us know
17:46Anyway
17:47you can go home
17:48any time
17:50that we are there
17:51I
17:52Pope
17:52Daniela
17:54Danilo
17:54we're all waiting for you
17:56All right
17:57let us know something
18:00at least you're there
18:02and that you are well
18:03then it will be resolved later
18:07HI
18:08it was a kiss
18:09by
18:10from me
18:10Pope
18:12and we look forward to seeing you soon
18:15at least one piece of news
18:16that you are there
18:18Then
18:18the rest will be resolved
18:21Thank you
18:22HI
18:22and kisses
18:24the days pass
18:26and those who don't have glasses
18:28he has no clothes
18:29he has nothing
18:30cannot wander
18:32among the shrubs
18:33and the cold
18:33someone
18:35he would have found it
18:36unless
18:37didn't go away
18:39really her
18:40with someone
18:41but who is this someone?
18:45it didn't pass
18:46not even a month
18:47from the disappearance
18:48by Elena
18:48Michael
18:49agrees
18:50to release us
18:51the second interview
18:53in his house
18:54and does more
18:55shows us the places
18:57his places
18:59and Elena's
19:00even the stairs
19:01that carry on
19:02or the garage
19:04and the cellar
19:05and the courtyard
19:06the one above
19:08the big gate
19:09the one who saw Elena go out
19:12to undress
19:13and go away
19:15so he tells me
19:16what he did that morning
19:17so he came back
19:18I opened the gate
19:20and I waited
19:22that it opened
19:22because he
19:23it opens slowly
19:24and in the moment
19:25that I'm going
19:26towards
19:27the place
19:28where do we park?
19:30always the car
19:31and my gaze
19:32so the car
19:33where I park it
19:34the parking lot
19:34always here on the concrete
19:36here
19:36under the balcony
19:38there
19:38and I told myself
19:39my gaze
19:41he aimed
19:43to that sweater
19:44of my wife
19:45that was there
19:45near the manhole
19:46We see
19:46to see where
19:49the sweater
19:50it was right here
19:51at 5 meters
19:52here
19:53he'll tell you
19:54Yes
19:56the sweater
19:57it was at this point here
19:58I'm trying to get the sweater
19:59while I take the sweater
20:01the slippers come out underneath
20:02staggered masses
20:03a
20:04as if really
20:05she was walking
20:06or if someone
20:08had pulled it away
20:10pulled away
20:10they were left
20:11those slippers
20:13under the sweater
20:14and since
20:15I had left her
20:15a bit
20:18agitated
20:18I said
20:19but what is he doing to me?
20:20seeing the sweater
20:21with slippers
20:21I immediately thought of bad
20:23I said
20:23What is he doing to me now?
20:24this one here
20:24Why
20:26that morning
20:27it was cold
20:27and it couldn't stay
20:28without a sweater outside
20:30and then
20:31with one hand
20:31I had the sweater
20:32the other one I took the slippers
20:33and I headed
20:35behind the house
20:35to see
20:36if my wife
20:37is
20:38somewhere
20:39I took a tour
20:40around the house
20:41completely
20:42and then
20:44after I made the tour
20:45return home
20:46I put my slippers down
20:47there
20:48and I still hold on
20:49the sweater in hand
20:49and I go up
20:52And
20:52I'm calling my wife
20:54but I immediately had
20:55that feeling
20:56as if the box
20:57it was empty
20:58Why
20:58I didn't feel the heat
21:00That
21:01like when
21:02returning from work
21:03That
21:04I feel
21:05That
21:05there is someone
21:06at home
21:06and that morning there
21:08I heard
21:08that coldness
21:09on me
21:10as if my house
21:10it was cold
21:11that he was missing something
21:18I called her
21:19I tried
21:20in the rooms
21:21I looked
21:22even under the beds
21:25I went down
21:26again
21:26in the garage
21:26I looked
21:28in the garage
21:28and then I'm back again
21:30came out
21:30I made myself
21:31one more round
21:31around the house
21:32I was trying to see her
21:33if he had gone there
21:34to the henhouse
21:34some chickens
21:35and in the meantime
21:36I called
21:38the neighbor
21:39and I asked him
21:40if he had seen Elena
21:41and she told me
21:43No
21:44but why
21:45and then I wasn't there
21:46to ask for nothing
21:47Why
21:48I said
21:48I don't want to cause alarm
21:50Nobody
21:59I took his cell phone
22:01and I put up with it
22:02with me
22:03I said
22:03I could have someone
22:04call
22:05and I went out
22:07with the car
22:08and in the moment
22:09that I'm going out
22:10and I'm going
22:11I'm going away
22:12at that point there
22:16Where
22:16it was covered by the gate
22:19at this point
22:21here behind here
22:21just look
22:22between the stone
22:23and the gate
22:24at this point here
22:26right at this point here
22:27there were the clothes
22:29all lay down
22:29one on top of the other
22:30as if
22:31if the person
22:32had been pulled away
22:33Why
22:34a person
22:35who undresses
22:36he doesn't undress
22:36that way there
22:39the bottom part
22:40it was one inside the other
22:41and the top part
22:42it was the same
22:43one inside the other
22:44when I saw
22:45those clothes there
22:45it came to me
22:46one thing
22:47and I said
22:48my lady
22:49that now
22:49from those who should make me ashamed
22:51my wife
22:52what is he doing to me?
22:53I thought
22:54that thing there
22:54that I was ashamed
22:56that if someone
22:57had seen her
22:59naked
22:59because I said
23:01but where did it escape to me?
23:02this one here
23:03where could she have gone?
23:04naked
23:05my thoughts
23:06was to find my wife
23:07and cover it
23:08cover it because
23:09a naked woman
23:12it's not good
23:12that goes around the street
23:17histrionics
23:18passionate
23:19and theatrical
23:20by Michele Boninconti
23:22Is it contagious
23:23you find yourself thinking
23:25to that absurd thing
23:26as if it were true
23:28Elena
23:29who walks away naked
23:31in the frozen countryside
23:32if not that
23:34Nobody
23:35that morning
23:36he met
23:37a naked woman
23:38he would have remembered it
23:40don't you think so?
23:40and at that time
23:42that road
23:43it's very busy
23:44parents
23:46that accompany
23:46children at school
23:47people who go
23:48at work
23:50everything is possible
23:52but
23:52if a woman
23:53a mother
23:54of four children
23:55torn apart
23:57from feelings of guilt
23:58for having betrayed
23:59the husband
24:00he goes out
24:01head
24:02it is precisely this
24:04the story
24:05that tells
24:06that Michele screams
24:07in front of the cameras
24:09but what's the point?
24:11many think
24:12denigrate your wife
24:14in front of the whole world
24:15accuse her of betrayal
24:17all to be demonstrated
24:19this is the right way
24:21to convince her
24:22to go back home
24:23things
24:25they had really gone
24:26as Michele tells her
24:27the fact is
24:29that the Asti prosecutor's office
24:31opens a file
24:33in which it is hypothesized
24:35an incitement
24:36to suicide
24:37who would have forced
24:39Elena commits suicide
24:41his phantoms
24:43suitors
24:44or who if not
24:45Anyway
24:47on the judicial front
24:49nothing happens
24:51until
24:52is not found
24:53Elena's body
24:56that day in February
24:57from a year ago
24:58when we entered
25:00for the first time
25:01in his house
25:02at a certain point
25:04I told Michele
25:06that to compose the service
25:08I needed them
25:09of the images
25:10expressive of him
25:12as he walked
25:13while he was watching
25:15intensely
25:16in front of him
25:17he looked at me
25:18perplexed
25:19then I told him
25:21think about Elena
25:22she disappeared
25:24for almost a month
25:25where will it be
25:26at this moment
25:27he wasn't very convinced
25:29Michael
25:30to do that
25:31that I asked him
25:32but he did it
25:33at a certain point
25:35we went out
25:37from the gate
25:37and walking
25:39on the road
25:40Michael looked
25:41a point
25:42down in the valley
25:43in the direction
25:45of the old railway
25:46in the direction
25:48of the Mersa river
25:49in the direction
25:50of the naked body
25:51by Elena Ceste
25:53that was lying
25:54in that ditch
25:55less than a month ago
25:56that maybe
25:58it was still intact
25:59and that will be found
26:01there
26:01eight months later
26:07listen to this interception
26:10made
26:11after the discovery
26:12of Elena's body
26:13in the Mersa river
26:18Michael
26:19talk on the phone
26:20with Giampaolo
26:21a friend of his
26:23but I saw her
26:25from the balcony
26:25of my house
26:26Giampa
26:26I kept it
26:28under my gaze
26:29Giampa
26:29I kept it
26:30under my gaze
26:32disturbing words
26:34that make you think
26:52It's January 24th
26:55of 2014
26:56and there are only a few minutes left
26:58at nine in the morning
26:59the countryside
27:01between Costigliole
27:02and Isola d'Asti
27:03cut in two
27:05from a track
27:06now out of use
27:07is wrapped
27:09from the fog
27:14a white Peugeot
27:16advances
27:17on the dirt road
27:18now invisible
27:20because it is covered
27:21of snow
27:22that runs
27:23along the track
27:24of the railway
27:27arrived in front
27:29to the ditch
27:29the machine
27:30he stops
27:31a man
27:32it goes down
27:33opens the hood
27:35rear
27:35And
27:36drawing
27:38at full strength
27:39who owns
27:40take it out
27:41from the hood
27:42something long
27:43and bulky
27:44wrapped in a cloth
27:49there is the body
27:50nude by Elena Ceste
27:52inside that sheet
27:53the man
27:55he murdered
27:56the unfortunate woman
27:57a dozen
27:59minutes before
28:00and now
28:01drag the body
28:02down in the ditch
28:04where it flows
28:05the Mersa river
28:08on that side
28:10the moat
28:11it was covered
28:13at sight
28:13from a tangle
28:15inextricable
28:16of trees
28:17of brambles
28:18and bushes
28:19and it was
28:20practically
28:21inaccessible
28:22the man