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00:00The other trial, the one for Yara Gambirasio, here there are no children but there are two parents and there
00:07They are also, in addition to mother and father Gambirasio, Yara's sister and two brothers.
00:13For them too everything changed, they lived in Brembate, a family like any other, but one day Yara doesn't come back
00:20at home, she disappeared and from then on the nightmare began.
00:23Now the trial will have to decide whether Massimo Bossetti was the one who made her disappear.
00:58It's six in the afternoon.
00:59One afternoon, the ANSA news agency flashes a news story, meaning the news is important.
01:09The few words written are actually a communication from the Minister of the Interior.
01:17Yara, Alfano, the killer has been identified.
01:24Law enforcement, in agreement with the judiciary, have identified Yara Gambirasio's murderer.
01:37Interior Minister Angelino Alfano announced this.
01:41Over there, over there, over there he went, over there, over there.
01:44So, Yara's murderer was arrested, without even that little word that precedes murderer before every trial.
01:54There is no presumption.
01:56There is only the killer.
01:58Just as is usually done for Camorristi, major fugitives, major mafiosi.
02:06Provenzale, responsible for a number of murders, has been captured.
02:12Riina, the perpetrator of a number of massacres, has been captured.
02:17Where the alleged is completely useless, because there is the certainty of the crime.
02:24And here, then, why, on this afternoon, does Minister Alfano allow himself this legal and institutional gaffe?
02:36What happened?
02:37Why is the minister of the ministry, perhaps the most sensitive, stepping up the pace, sending a tweet, promptly picked up by Ansa?
02:48Perhaps to understand this, we need to take a step back.
02:53Three and a half years ago.
02:56When Italy, still shocked by the disappearance and murder of Sara Scazzi,
03:03he suffers another blow, another wound.
03:07Another thirteen-year-old has gone missing.
03:10But this time it's not about family.
03:13There is no envious cousin.
03:15Or the aunt.
03:17Or the sneaky uncle.
03:19Come back because you're not here anymore, Sara.
03:23I can't do it.
03:24Lying, whiny and creepy.
03:28There's just an ordinary family, from the north this time.
03:34The girl went to the gym and only has to go back home, a few hundred meters, to be protected.
03:43Among his things, along with his mother, father and brothers.
03:49How is it possible, Italy asks, that another little girl has disappeared?
03:56Who is the ogre?
03:57Who is the stranger who took her away?
04:00Who is the unknown?
04:02The unknown, precisely, the fear that is inside each of us.
04:07Parent or child, sibling or schoolmate.
04:12Perhaps this is why the minister is rushing to warn the entire country and reassure it.
04:21We caught the unknown, Yara's murderer, without even granting him the doubt of the presumed.
04:28Even before the trial has taken place.
04:35So who is the unknown?
04:39To get to him, we can say that an extraordinary investigative machine was set in motion,
04:46which had no equal in Italy and perhaps even in the rest of the world.
04:56But before this, before the investigation, before this trial,
05:02Yara, in the autumn-winter of 2010, was just a missing little girl.
05:25From here, from southern Italy, from Avetrana,
05:31Everyone's attention suddenly shifts north
05:37and you get to know another country, another place,
05:43Brembate di sopra, at the gates of Bergamo.
05:48The parents are shy, they avoid the cameras, they don't let themselves be filmed.
05:56They also hope for an escape.
05:59This is demonstrated by the message that, four days after his disappearance,
06:03Father Gambirasio sends a message to his daughter's cell phone.
06:10Now I think that's enough.
06:12Four days have passed.
06:15Should I start worrying?
06:17Make yourself heard, make yourselves heard.
06:22But the days pass, then the weeks, nothing.
06:27And then, dad Gambirasio, with his wife at his side,
06:32enter this little room,
06:34full of tripods and cameras ready for use.
06:39Journalists were asked not to ask questions.
06:42They have to make an appeal.
06:44But they don't address it to them.
06:46They address it directly to the kidnappers.
06:50Open that door.
06:52We are a simple family.
06:55We are a group of people who have based their unity
06:58about love, about respect,
07:00on sincerity and cheerfulness in our quiet life.
07:06For a month we have been asking ourselves countless questions
07:10on the who, the what, the how, the when
07:15and why all this is happening to us.
07:19We are not looking for answers.
07:22We don't ask to know.
07:25We don't bother trying to understand.
07:28We don't want to point the finger at anyone.
07:32We only desire and immensely
07:36that our daughter returns to her world,
07:40in his country, in his home,
07:43in the arms of his loved ones.
07:46We implore the mercy of those people
07:49who are holding Yara.
07:52We ask them to dust off
07:54in their conscience a feeling of love.
07:57And after looking into her eyes,
08:00open that door for him,
08:01that gate that separates her from her freedom.
08:05Open that door,
08:07Yara's mom and dad beg.
08:11They're leaving via Chini.
08:13They return to the house
08:15where you wait, you wait.
08:18It is expected from November 26th
08:20and above all, we hope.
08:33There is a dog that led the investigators
08:37at the Mapello construction site.
08:40He smelled Yara's socks
08:42and from the gym he headed towards that construction site.
08:46And then, then the wiretaps,
08:50the conversations intercepted from the workers
08:53who work on that construction site.
08:57And behold, in the middle of the sea
09:00it seems to be solved
09:02the mystery of Yara's disappearance.
09:06A young Moroccan
09:08who works in the Mapello construction site
09:10and that is on the ship
09:12he is caught and sent back.
09:16in Bergamo.
09:20Questioned, arrested.
09:22Why did he talk about Yara on the phone?
09:25And why did he say
09:26Allah, Allah, forgive me,
09:28I didn't kill her.
09:32Here he is Ficri
09:33which he explains to Veronica Briganti.
09:36A big scam, says the young man.
09:39A mess.
09:40But he has nothing to do with it
09:42and the translations are all wrong.
09:45And that sentence said on the phone
09:48it was an auspicious phrase.
09:51Ficri explains.
09:52A request for help from Allah.
09:55Because I was going to Genoa
09:57with my cousin.
09:58We were boarding a ship to return to Morocco.
10:01So it was a wish
10:03that you while you were waiting, let's say,
10:05on the phone
10:06you were somehow doing it to yourself
10:09and to your cousin
10:10before leaving.
10:11Yes.
10:12But according to those interpreters,
10:14those two interpreters said,
10:16they translated
10:17Allah, Allah, forgive me,
10:19I didn't kill her
10:20Oh Allah, Allah, forgive me,
10:22It's not the one I killed.
10:24How do you explain this fact?
10:26No, this...
10:27How do you explain this translation?
10:29This interpreter
10:30who translated this word
10:32I think he's drunk
10:34or he just can't do his job.
10:39Even though there is no proof
10:41that he has something to do with it
10:43with the disappearance of Yara,
10:46Ficri is still under investigation
10:48for aiding and abetting.
10:50The young Moroccan
10:51will be released from the investigation
10:53just three years later.
10:55And in those three years,
10:57whenever the investigation
11:00seems to languish,
11:02someone always pops up
11:04who points the finger at him,
11:06as if to say
11:07but if we already have it
11:09he is the culprit.
11:18And at the Gambirasio house
11:20we wait and hope.
11:25The snow has arrived
11:27and it melted
11:28and little Yara
11:30it's always there,
11:32in the land of the disappeared.
11:36but as for Ciccio Ettore
11:38who plays
11:39he is luckier than the investigators
11:42if you can call it luck.
11:45In the cursed well
11:47of the house of a hundred rooms
11:49of Gravina
11:49a child fell.
11:52They shout in the village.
11:53He was playing
11:55with some friends.
11:56one tries bravely
11:58to go down
12:00to help him.
12:02They told me
12:02Tomas and Luciano
12:03that Michael fell
12:04inside this cistern.
12:06So I'm exhausted
12:07to go down
12:08then after Michele
12:09he told me
12:09who is throwing stones
12:10then I went back up again
12:13Still
12:13some stones fell.
12:15Because you while you were going down
12:16did you drop stones?
12:17that I was thinking about Michele?
12:19Yes.
12:20But when did you get off?
12:21you came down from these holes
12:22what are in the wall?
12:23I went down five steps.
12:25I didn't go down quite like that
12:27like a ladder.
12:28I was doing it
12:30hands near the wall
12:31and the foot too
12:33instead the other hand
12:34and the other foot
12:35inside the holes.
12:37Oh, that's what you did?
12:38And you just stopped
12:40why Michael
12:40he said the stones were falling.
12:43And then I went
12:43to call mom.
12:45You know what happened
12:46there after, right?
12:47eh you know what
12:49who was found down there?
12:51Yes.
12:51Huh?
12:53But you those children
12:54did you know them?
12:55Yes.
12:59In there
13:00in that black hole
13:02the shocking discovery
13:04there are the two kids
13:07much sought after.
13:09For Iara
13:11instead of children
13:12who play dangerous games
13:14there is an adult
13:15he decided
13:17he decided
13:17to make fly
13:18his little airplane.
13:20He is giving himself up
13:22a few hours of leisure
13:23a relaxation
13:24to decompress
13:26working days
13:27and stress.
13:28And instead
13:29this is the moment
13:31harder
13:31of his life.
13:33The little model
13:34falls down
13:35and settles
13:36about that little girl
13:38lying there on the ground
13:40hidden
13:41from tall vegetation.
13:43and here it is
13:44as for Ciccio Ettore
13:46the discovered mara
13:48it's her
13:49it's her
13:51who can it be
13:51breast?
13:53I looked at her
13:53only three times
13:54I looked at her
13:55because then
13:55I couldn't do it anymore
13:55to look at her
13:56with a different eye.
13:57The first to understand
13:58what was it
13:59the second
14:00to realize it
14:01and the third time
14:01when I called
14:04the 113
14:05that they had for me
14:05asked to give him
14:06a description
14:07and then
14:07I don't have it anymore
14:08looked.
14:10What did he say?
14:11to see
14:12on that occasion
14:13at 113?
14:15First question
14:16the shoes
14:16that's a question
14:17that left an impression on me
14:18if he had shoes
14:19I told him
14:19yes tennis shoes
14:20normal tennis shoes
14:22what color
14:23black and white
14:24pants
14:25I think they are dark
14:27jacket
14:27I think it is
14:28yes it was dark
14:30and then
14:31the question
14:31that the other question
14:32he told me
14:32if he had a scarf
14:33and I told him
14:34yes it's a scarf
14:35tied around the neck
14:36from that moment there
14:37I understand
14:38which was something of
14:38from the agitation
14:40that I felt
14:41on the other end of the phone
14:42stay there
14:42don't move
14:43we'll be there right away
14:44that doubt
14:45who left me
14:46it's always the same
14:47because I
14:48that is, with all the people
14:49that's gone
14:50in that field
14:51who did this research
14:52all that
14:53that there could be
14:54because I
14:56at Gambirasio's house
14:58if there were still any
14:59they're finished
15:00the hopes
15:01their daughter
15:03the little girl
15:05that we saw
15:06everyone
15:06do the splits
15:07there is no more
15:08that door
15:10it didn't open
15:12and maybe
15:14at the moment
15:14of their appeal
15:15to the kidnappers
15:16little Iara
15:17she was already dead
15:20a shock
15:21and the question
15:23it's double
15:24Why
15:25it wasn't
15:26found first
15:27Why
15:28that much
15:29look for
15:29it went to waste
15:31who was driving
15:32the volunteers
15:33the men
15:34of civil protection
15:35in the middle of the mud
15:37and to the snow
15:37the chief prosecutor
15:40must give answers
15:41on the body
15:44of the little girl
15:44they are present
15:46of the cuts
15:47of the signs
15:49Anyway
15:49which would seem
15:50of cutting weapon
15:51on the wrists
15:53on the neck
15:54on the back
15:56Perhaps
15:57even on the legs
16:00it would seem
16:01moreover
16:01That
16:01Nobody
16:03of these
16:05may be
16:06state
16:06the cause
16:08of death
16:09because it is about
16:09Anyway
16:10drawings
16:11very superficial
16:13included
16:13the one around the neck
16:14the clothes
16:15intimate
16:15they are found
16:16everyone
16:17absolutely
16:18okay
16:18in order
16:19as
16:20probably
16:21in order
16:22how they were worn
16:24when the little girl
16:25she was alive
16:26the only one
16:27peculiarity
16:28which could
16:31to lay down
16:31for an attempt
16:34at least
16:34of acts
16:36of a sexual nature
16:37it is given by the fact
16:38that the bra
16:39it was found
16:40worn
16:41but unhooked
16:42there is something
16:42that didn't work
16:43in research
16:44Perhaps
16:45if we had found it
16:46Before
16:47we would have had
16:48some answers
16:49is there anyone among you
16:50who participated
16:51to the research?
16:52Yes
16:53some of you
16:54it's passed
16:54over there?
16:56Yes
16:56there is someone
16:56that has passed
16:57in those parts
16:57have you seen it?
16:59No
17:00they saw
17:01the research
17:01How are you?
17:02No
17:02I wanted to ask
17:03one more thing
17:03Speaking of which
17:04of the data
17:04that you have ascertained
17:05meanwhile
17:06it was possible
17:07accept
17:07where it was
17:08Sara picked up?
17:10at what point?
17:11Yara
17:11sorry
17:12No
17:15presumably
17:16immediately
17:16out of the gym
17:17if Locatelli suffers
17:19subia Morlotti
17:21Rapinelli suffers
17:21Nothing
17:22No
17:23there are none
17:23there are none
17:25there are none
17:26witnesses
17:27Therefore
17:28if a person
17:28alone
17:29can carry it
17:30away
17:30Yara
17:30against
17:30his will
17:31in a car?
17:32I don't know
17:33what do you think about it?
17:34I ask her
17:34I ask her
17:36I do not know
17:36what I think
17:38he can think of it
17:39any of you
17:40there are no elements
17:42nor
17:42to say that
17:45the attacker
17:46be a single person
17:47nor to say
17:48that there are more people
17:51in theory
17:52in the abstract
17:53but I believe
17:55which is one thing
17:55that you can
17:56you think too
17:57it's easier
17:58to think that
17:59the attackers
18:00an assault
18:01it comes out better
18:01if there is more than one
18:02they were made
18:03of the types
18:05that passersby
18:05from the beginning
18:06of this investigation?
18:07Well
18:09I really don't know
18:10what to say
18:11what to answer
18:12to this question
18:13it's a corpse
18:14who speaks little
18:15I do not know
18:16but realistically
18:17there is a possibility
18:17to answer
18:18to some other questions
18:20after three months
18:22of investigation
18:22in a condition
18:23I would like to hope
18:24that we succeed
18:24at least to establish
18:25the cause of death
18:26what are you sorry?
18:27she might be dead
18:28of cold
18:28it certainly could
18:31we come like this
18:32to know
18:32that Yara
18:34she died of cold
18:35the coroner
18:37he will say it clearly
18:38exactly like that
18:40the killer
18:41it's not even
18:43a murderer
18:44he left it there
18:45and he left
18:46leave in a hurry
18:48Yara
18:49Yara was still
18:50Viva
18:50he dies after
18:52a few hours
18:52for hypothermia
18:53it has arrived
18:56the moment
18:56for the investigators
18:57to understand
18:58who killed
18:59Yara
19:00the discovery
19:02random
19:03has already shaken
19:04too
19:05the Italians
19:05and now
19:06it is added
19:07this other one
19:08news
19:08shock
19:09that Yara
19:10she died
19:11of cold
19:12and here it is
19:13which part
19:14the research
19:15On the contrary
19:16the hunt
19:16to the unknown murderer
19:33what a story
19:34incredible
19:35daring
19:37and cloudy
19:37it's the tragedy
19:39by Yara
19:39Gambirasio
19:40a twist
19:43behind the other
19:44an investigation
19:45crazy
19:46whose echo
19:47bounces
19:48all over the world
19:49listen up
19:51there are some red fibers
19:53on the body
19:54of poor Yara
19:55and lime powder
19:57but there is also DNA
19:59DNA
20:00of the murderer
20:01a trace of blood
20:04a lot of blood
20:05is found
20:07in a particular area
20:08of Yara's body
20:10on leggings
20:11and on the panties
20:13of the little girl
20:14cleanly cut
20:16with a blade
20:17on the right side
20:19who left
20:20that track
20:21not only
20:22it was there
20:23but he threw himself
20:25on Yara
20:26maybe he tried
20:28a sexual approach
20:29and since she
20:30she rebelled
20:31here is the fury
20:33to stab
20:34cuts
20:35many cuts
20:37but not many
20:38to kill her
20:40must be
20:41the first time
20:42that kills
20:43the clumsy killer
20:45because he took the risk
20:47that Yara
20:47was found
20:48still alive
20:50and what he did
20:51his name
20:51a murderer
20:53therefore a fool
20:54one who killed
20:56because he lost
20:57the head
20:58he didn't premeditate it
20:59otherwise
21:01Yara
21:01it wouldn't be
21:02frozen to death
21:03in that field
21:04frozen
21:05and gloomy
21:06but now
21:07you have to find it
21:09this killer
21:10clumsy and awkward
21:11and it's not a thing
21:13simple
21:13to begin with
21:15the investigators
21:17they give it a name
21:18unknown one
21:20what is known
21:21of an unknown one
21:22Very
21:23and nothing
21:24We see
21:26in the meantime we know
21:27who is a man
21:28and that the investigators
21:30they have his DNA
21:31his signature
21:33on the body
21:34of the little girl
21:35it's not a little
21:37but it can
21:38not enough
21:47What is DNA?
21:50it's like paper
21:51of identity
21:52of each one
21:53about us
21:53It's in every cell
21:55of our body
21:57and contains
21:58the characteristics
21:59genetics
22:00that they have for us
22:01transmitted
22:02our father
22:03and our mother
22:04physical appearance
22:06the color
22:07of the eyes
22:08and hair
22:09the propensity
22:10for certain diseases
22:12and everything else
22:13to discover
22:15a guilty person
22:16DNA
22:17it's a test
22:18infallible
22:19because every human being
22:22has its own DNA
22:23exclusive
22:24different from DNA
22:26of the other billions
22:29of inhabitants
22:29of the planet
22:31what's the problem
22:33but?
22:34is that you have to have
22:35a suspicious person
22:37an alleged culprit
22:39in short, someone
22:41from which to withdraw
22:42DNA
22:43to compare it
22:45in our case
22:46with DNA
22:47of an unknown one
22:48if this is not done
22:51DNA
22:52it's no use
23:02Obviously
23:03the investigators
23:04they compare immediately
23:05DNA
23:06found on the body
23:07by Yara
23:07with that
23:08of people
23:09that the little girl
23:10frequents
23:11usually
23:12friends
23:13the companions
23:15of school
23:15and gym
23:16the acquaintances
23:18also members
23:20of the family group
23:21enlarged
23:23they are checked
23:25Also
23:25the suspects
23:26of sexual crimes
23:28of the area
23:30naturally
23:31even DNA
23:32by Ficri
23:33and that
23:33of his friends
23:34they are compared
23:36with DNA
23:37of an unknown one
23:38but it's all useless
23:40that DNA
23:41does not belong
23:43to no one
23:43of them
23:45the investigators
23:47they rack their brains
23:48around that question
23:50that they can't do
23:51to solve
23:52what face
23:53unknown one
23:54how to find it
23:55Where
23:58there he is
23:59the obstacle
24:00which they must overcome
24:01an obstacle
24:03which seems
24:04insurmountable
24:13because unknown one
24:15could be
24:16whoever
24:17a neighbor
24:19the companion
24:20of work
24:20what is going on
24:22taking
24:22the coffee
24:23at the bar
24:23next to you
24:24could be
24:26even a person
24:27in passing
24:28in Brembate
24:30who killed
24:31Iara
24:32and then it went
24:33Viva
24:34and who knows
24:35where is it located
24:35Now
24:36the track
24:37by Ficri
24:38it's awkwardly
24:39failed
24:40and from the investigations
24:42it did not emerge
24:44nothing of
24:44Truly
24:45important
24:45but something
24:48must
24:48to try
24:49the tragedy
24:51of that
24:51little girl
24:52he wounded
24:53the people
24:54in the deep
24:55you have to find
24:56at all costs
24:57the killer
25:01and here it is
25:03that in skepticism
25:05general
25:05the investigators
25:06from Bergamo
25:07coordinated
25:09from her
25:09from the doctor
25:10Letizia Ruggeri
25:12the magistrate
25:13Centaur
25:14they try
25:15a business
25:16that to many
25:17it seems useless
25:18and desperate
25:19good only
25:21to squander
25:22public money
25:23many
25:24a lot of money
25:26but nobody
25:27that he dares
25:28to protest
25:29openly
25:30why dissuade him
25:32there is the smile
25:34tender
25:34of that
25:35little girl
25:36that claims
25:37justice
25:39so
25:40we pass by
25:41to action
25:41the investigators
25:43they set in motion
25:45a machine
25:45gigantic
25:46crazy
25:48some say
25:49the postulate
25:50starting point
25:51it's simple
25:52we have the DNA
25:54of unknown 1
25:55we have to find
25:56unknown 1
25:57in the flesh
25:58but we don't know
26:00where to find it
26:01Why
26:02they think
26:03the investigators
26:04do not withdraw
26:05DNA
26:06to all inhabitants
26:07of the area
26:08how is it done?
26:09in fishing
26:10train
26:10where the network
26:12sweep the bottom
26:14and capture
26:15all that
26:15that meets
26:16with a little
26:18of luck
26:18even unknown 1
26:20will get caught
26:22in our network
26:23why not try
26:25it begins
26:28to the operation
26:30to begin with
26:32it is taken
26:33saliva
26:34with 10,000 inhabitants
26:36from Bergamo
26:37which then become
26:3814,000
26:3918,000
26:40and in the end
26:41they will even be
26:43more than 25,000
26:45never seen before
26:46something like that
26:48in Italy
26:51and here it is
26:52the stroke of luck
26:54between DNA
26:55taken
26:56to people
26:56who frequent
26:57the disco
26:58quicksand
26:59of chignolo
27:00of island
27:00that is
27:01right in front
27:02to the field
27:03where it was found
27:04Yara's body
27:05there is one
27:06which belongs
27:08to a member
27:09of the same family
27:10of unknown 1
27:11a relative
27:13maybe a cousin
27:14it's done
27:16just do the DNA
27:18to all members
27:19of that family
27:20and here it is
27:20which will be found
27:21the rotten apple
27:23and instead
27:25instead listen
27:27that develops
27:28unexpected
27:29and sensational
27:30has this story
27:31the story
27:32of poor Yara
27:34it gets complicated
27:35more and more
27:36has in store
27:37surprises
27:38increasingly sensational
27:40so
27:41from his cousin
27:42we pass by
27:43to the other cousin
27:44then to the uncle
27:46and uncle after uncle
27:48finally
27:49we're arriving
27:51to the father
27:51of the murderer
27:52by Yara
27:53it's him
27:55Joseph Guerinoni
27:56bus driver
27:58originally from Gorno
28:00in high
28:01Seriana Valley
28:02about fifty
28:03of kilometers
28:04north of Bergamo
28:05and of Bremmate
28:06above
28:07it's him
28:08the father
28:09of unknown 1
28:10they say it
28:11the geneticists
28:11you know
28:13where it is discovered
28:14DNA
28:15by Guerinoni
28:16behind
28:17the brand
28:17stamp duty
28:18of his
28:18old driving license
28:22Guerinoni
28:23he had passed it by
28:24on the tongue
28:25and then
28:26he had stuck it on
28:27and his
28:28DNA
28:29it remained
28:30imprisoned
28:31behind
28:32that little rectangle
28:33red
28:33DNA
28:36it had been
28:37also extracted
28:39from the stamp
28:40of a postcard
28:42that Guerinoni
28:43years before
28:44had sent
28:46At home
28:46from Milan
28:48why not do it
28:50directly to him
28:51why he died
28:53in 1999
28:55everything solved
28:57Therefore
28:57just do the DNA
28:59he has male children
29:00he has two
29:01and behold it was
29:03the killer was found
29:04not even in your dreams
29:06DNA is taken
29:08to Guerinoni's two sons
29:10but none of them
29:12it is unknown 1
29:13and then
29:14here is the story
29:17it gets complicated
29:17or there is an error
29:19or unknown 1
29:21it can only be
29:22an illegitimate child
29:24by Guerinoni
29:25but the sister
29:26of the driver
29:27of Gorno
29:28think it is
29:29it's all a misunderstanding
29:30but who says that?
29:31after he put it on
29:34about him
29:34that stamp
29:35there
29:35because maybe
29:37it was also
29:38with a friend
29:40Like this
29:40from di toto
29:41I give him the postcard
29:42she says
29:44rightly
29:45that maybe
29:45he might have put
29:46the same
29:46the person
29:47of the office
29:49who has
29:50let's say
29:50drafted
29:51that document
29:52he might have it
29:52he put it
29:53Exactly
29:53I also take
29:56that is, I also say
29:57that thing there
29:58maybe from me
29:58many times
29:59I come here
30:01my grandchildren
30:01I have something
30:02and it is
30:03come on, do it yourself
30:05Perhaps
30:05so that saliva
30:06it might not be his
30:08not for me
30:08not for me
30:10DNA is not enough
30:12taken from a brand
30:14stamp duty
30:14or from a stamp
30:16it must be exhumed
30:18the body
30:18a matter
30:20delicate
30:20but the family
30:22of the driver
30:23is willing
30:24to give consent
30:26just to get rid of it
30:28in the middle
30:28from this bad
30:29history
30:31convinced
30:31that their
30:32Joseph
30:33it has nothing to do with it
30:34nothing at all
30:35and you agree
30:37to this exhumation?
30:38I told him
30:39also to my niece
30:40who called
30:41to me
30:41if that's the thing
30:43to get to the bottom of it
30:44of that thing there
30:48to arrive
30:49to a conclusion
30:50I don't care
30:51even if he does it too
30:53as long as they arrive
30:54to a truth
30:57Guerinoni was resting
30:58in peace
30:59and instead
31:00after so many years
31:02away
31:03since his death
31:04it turns out
31:05took a small one
31:06piece of his femur
31:08that's him
31:09the father of an unknown one
31:11has generated
31:13a murderer
31:13but without knowing it
31:15M SCIFI
31:20of development
31:20but without knowing it
31:20the living room
31:24the living room
31:25the living room
31:26Yes
31:26the ac�� capacityappy