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In Venezuela, the National Assembly continued the 2nd discussion of the draft Amnesty Law for Democratic Coexistence and Peace.
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00:00The points in Article 8 were approved, 13 of them by unanimity and one by a vast majority.
00:11I understand the concern that you have, and I will say it plainly.
00:17I understand the concern that the Deputy Pablo Perez has expressed.
00:22The main reason why the Commission has decided to exclude in this bill a previous drafting where we point specifically
00:31some cases is that the law of amnesia for democratic coexistence refers to facts.
00:38It cannot refer to persons in particular.
00:41It is possible that we have had situations when this special commission which will be appointed for the follow-up
00:50of this law,
00:52as well as the program for democratic coexistence, must pay attention to this specifically.
01:00But we cannot write facts that could include the whole penal system of Venezuela, the whole population, if we do
01:12it that broad.
01:15I want to make a proposal, not a proposal, a commitment with Article 15.
01:20We will approve a commission for following up for the fulfillment of the law of amnesia for democratic coexistence.
01:27The first point to debate, to discuss by that commission, be precisely what was expressed by Pablo Perez and others
01:37that have been part of the discussion.
01:43Is this okay? In consideration.
01:50As well, a lay that we consider as well, that is a very useful law, which is the law against
01:57hate and for democratic coexistence.
02:01The program for coexistence and peace is precisely studying the reach of those laws.
02:06It's very likely that that law will be reformed at this National Assembly.
02:12But it's also true that there were situations of ill-use of the law against hate and that must be
02:19corrected.
02:21Who will correct this? Well, the program for democratic coexistence and as well, the follow-up commission for the amnesia
02:30law.
02:31So, deputies in favor, no, I beg your pardon, we are going to vote the article as a whole.
02:44Deputies in favor to approve Article 8 of the bill, proceed to vote, approved by unanimity.
02:56The 18th, we suggest to approve without any modification Article 9, excluded crimes, in consideration to the epigraph.
03:10Approved, following.
03:12The 19th, approved with modification Article 9, drafted the following terms.
03:18Article 9, excluded from the foreseen amnesty in this law, actions and omission that constitute the following crimes.
03:29First, grave violations to human rights, crimes against humanity and war crimes, in accordance with Article 29 of the Bolivar
03:43Republic Constitution.
03:47Homicide and serious injuries, drug trafficking, crimes against corruption, also excluded from amnesty in this law, people that can be
04:07processed, condemned, convicted for promoting, calling,
04:12favor, facilitate, finance or take part in armed actions against the people, against the sovereignty and against the territory integrity
04:24of the Bolivar Republic of Venezuela,
04:28on behalf of states, corporations or foreign persons, in consideration.
04:38Approved by unanimity.
04:42So that we all have members of the programs of co-existence and peace, we're going to see provocations.
04:56There's a real intention to instigate facts so that the situation takes us once more to confrontation and hate.
05:07today that we knew that we were going to discuss the Amnesty Law in Jorge Rodriguez Square.
05:18That square is not named by the widow nor Commander Chavez nor the children.
05:28The name was granted to that square by the Council of University in 1976 when a month had passed
05:37from the killing, assassination of Jorge Rodriguez.
05:40Today people very well identify people referring to the name, to the plaque that refers to Jorge
05:52Rodriguez.
05:52In that square they put kidnapper assassin and the name was given to that square Jorge Rodriguez
06:05because he was deputy of the Central University of Venezuela.
06:10He was there from those years, 1977.
06:15So, just as they have used, and we can recognize this, some articles of some laws have been
06:25used.
06:26It's also true that there's been a systematic campaign of instigation to hate and to instigate
06:33division and confrontation among Venezuelans.
06:35So, I call and ask not only that we don't fall on provocations but that we actively become
06:44defenders of peace because they are once more paid and against you as well.
06:52I know this.
06:52I'm not excluding you from this.
06:54I'm not excluding you from that campaign of hate.
06:57But once again trying to seek the way to once again divide Venezuelans and we must insist,
07:05Venezuelans deputies, peace is the path.
07:08And we cannot allow that violent extremism impacts the territory of the republic.
07:18We cannot allow this to happen.
07:22We come from a very catastrophic experience that happened last January 3rd, 2026.
07:30No one, opposition, chavistas, independents want that for their country.
07:40And whoever wants it is a psychopath.
07:44We must insist.
07:47That's what we're doing.
07:48We must become, by approving this law, defenders of the republic because there will be provocation
07:55and we cannot fall in them.
07:57And the people that did it have been identified.
08:01And they will be prosecuted if there is a crime.
08:08I have the picture here.
08:20Here it is.
08:26Who will know the names of these two persons feel free to report it.
08:48Thank you, deputies.
08:53We suggest to approve without modification of Article 10, drafted in the following terms.
09:05Approved.
09:06Approved.
09:0821st.
09:09We suggest to approve with modification of Article 10, drafted in the following terms.
09:14Article 10.
09:16With the regulated amnesty in this law, we eliminate all penal actions against the people benefited by
09:27the amnesty in any state or process or fulfillment of the sentence.
09:37Everything that has to do specifically with the facts object in this law.
09:41And in consequence, any measure of personal coercion or alternative measures to imprisonment or any other measure that was implemented
09:52will end.
09:54The effects of the amnesty extends to all authors and participants of the crimes and faults to which this law
10:03makes reference.
10:04on the sources birthright.
10:08Audra Derevore It is.
10:09Ind polygon.
10:12speaking of the facts呃.
10:33Encherewski
10:37If it ends as it is put on the law, the main sentence, then it is clear that the secondary
10:47sentence must also disappear.
10:49In this case, inhabilitation, the presentation regime, everything that has to do with the
10:56exercise of the right to express freely just as the exiting and entering of the country.
11:07I very quickly read the article.
11:11For many people that are expecting about what we are doing today and it is necessary to defeat
11:22as well, all those mechanisms that try to distort the information and generate an atmosphere
11:28that impacts what we are doing.
11:33Completely end the article, completely end any disciplinary measure, penal action against
11:40the people that are benefited by this amnesty in all states, in any state, no matter the
11:46moment of the process or the sentence related to the facts expressed in this law.
11:54In consequence, any coercion measure will end, alternative measures to freedom will also
12:01end, and any other measure that was implemented.
12:06The effects of the current amnesty goes to all the authors and participants of the crimes or
12:16faults to which this law makes reference.
12:20I want only very quickly to conclude.
12:26It's clear that the amnesty is a fact that the state proposes to forget.
12:38So we cannot stay with the difference of the past.
12:42And I believe for a superior motive, which is the country, the republic.
12:47And in a way this creates a space, a real space, effective and efficient for reconciliation,
12:56reencountering, stability and peace that Venezuela demands.
13:00Thank you very much.
13:03And the proposal, I said at the beginning, it is to reaffirm our commitment, consensus to
13:11this article.
13:17Since there was an intervention, we must vote.
13:20You have the floor.
13:25Mr. President, since this is being broadcast, the people are very interested in the content
13:32of the law.
13:32The people want democratic coexistence that is put forward by the amnesty law.
13:40It is not good.
13:42There is only one narrative for the collective mind, and it's the people to whom we work.
13:52Constitution Article 201 says, deputies, we do not obey to mandates or instructions, but
13:58only our conscience and our vote is personal in the assembly.
14:02Therefore, President, there is a spirit of coexistence here.
14:06The article has been approved.
14:09But we cannot pretend.
14:15We must recall there is an article that establishes the exclusions.
14:19Many might think that many that committed crimes against public patrimony, those people will be benefited.
14:33And this is not the way it is.
14:35And I wanted this to be reflected.
14:38Just as the deputy did set his position, in our case, from our political United Socialist Party,
14:47once we want also to express our opinion.
14:52Thank you, Deputy Iris Valera.
14:54So it is clear so the people knows what is happening here at the National Assembly.
15:04According to the dictionary, amnesty is forgiveness of certain types of crimes.
15:13It's a pardon.
15:16One doesn't need to pardon those who have not committed anything wrong.
15:21One pardons someone that has committed a fault.
15:25And I put an example.
15:29O.J. Simpson was convicted for the killing of his wife and the lover.
15:42And probably he was left in liberty because for what he was being charged, the homicide.
15:53But the family of those that were killed were against him in a civil suit.
15:59And they won it.
16:00And they had to pay millions of dollars.
16:03It's not that if they say it cannot be sentenced as the perpetrator of homicide, it doesn't mean that they
16:13will not have to pay from the civil perspective.
16:17It is clear here in the framework from these commissions, the Program for Coexistence and Peace and the Special Commission,
16:23we will go over everything that Venezuelans want us to go over.
16:29And there's no need to have a doubt about this.
16:31But we must know what are the limits established in this law.
16:35And they are here.
16:37It is very clear which are the facts.
16:40And we voted one by one.
16:41And which are not included.
16:44Which are excluded.
16:46Because it's true because there can be a case where there was an ill use of the law against hate.
16:53But it's also true that people were killed for instigations to hate.
16:58It is true that there was a moment of political life in Venezuela where we published, where people published the
17:06address on phones of the sons and people, clothes that were part of the Bolivar Revolution.
17:17I had to move three times.
17:23One when I was in the National Electoral Council.
17:25Another when I was the Vice President.
17:27Another when I was a major.
17:28Because they published, here is where he lives.
17:31And then they came to throw things at my house.
17:34That's not the country where we want to live.
17:37And no one has to, no one must think that we are here betting on impunity.
17:46It is a pardon that we are making.
17:53Call by the Acting President of the Republic.
17:59Following.
18:0130 seconds to approve without modification the title of the Article 12.
18:1523rd.
18:17We suggest to approve with modification the content of Article 12 drafted in the following terms.
18:23Article 12.
18:26The Competent Tribunal will go over the amnesty in each case and will decree the follow-up of all processes
18:35ongoing and going over the sentences for deciding on replacing sentences.
18:47It will also rule on all measures to assure the fulfillment of this law, including the end of the coercion
18:57measures, of the alternative measures for imprisonment, or any other measure that was approved.
19:05It will be in the competence of this tribunal to know and decide on the requests presented in the process
19:14that are being in the preparatory stage, trial or intermediate.
19:18The request will be presented by the public ministry, the accused, or defender.
19:30It will be on the court of appeal to present the processes in the stage of discussion.
19:38The request can be presented by any subject referred in the Article of the Penal Code of the Nation.
19:58I want to say sorry because we didn't vote on the Article 10th and we must vote on the Article
20:0510th because there were interventions.
20:06Deputies in favor to approve Article 10th.
20:10Deputies in favor to approve Article 10th.
20:14Approved by unanimity Article 10th.
20:18Also in consideration Article 11th.
20:21Approved by unanimity.
20:23Follow.
20:23Next.
20:2524th we suggest to approve without modification title of Article 12th.
20:35Drafted in the following terms.
20:35In consideration.
20:38Approved.
20:41We suggest to approve with modification the content of Article 12th.
20:45Drafted in the following terms.
20:48Article 12th.
20:50Against the decision ruled by the competent tribunal on the facts object of this law.
20:57The victims.
20:58The victims.
20:59Accredited in the process in the public ministry.
21:01And the people.
21:02And the person condemned.
21:03Or processed.
21:04Will be able to file an appeal.
21:07Only with effects.
21:09Of return.
21:10The reports will be.
21:13Transmitted.
21:13In accordance to what is established in the Penal Code.
21:25Approved.
21:2827th.
21:29We suggest to approve without modification the title of Article 13th.
21:38Drafted in the following terms.
21:46Article 13.
21:51Drafted in the following terms.
21:53Article 13.
21:55Drafted in the following terms.
21:55Article 13.
21:56Police.
21:58Police bodies and investigative committees and military investigative committees.
22:03organization.
22:04Will close all process proceedings.
22:07In relation to the facts object of this amnesty.
22:11Except the exceptions foreseen in Article 9th of this law.
22:16In consideration.
22:19Approved.
22:2228th.
22:23We suggest to approve a modification.
22:26Title of Article 14th.
22:28Article 14th.
22:31Removal of Registry and Records.
22:35In consideration.ruling.
22:40In consideration.
22:4229th.
22:43We suggest to
22:43approve with modification the content of Article 14th. In the following
22:47terms. Article 14th.
22:51The bodies and administrative
22:54organizations, police or military in which have records.
22:58records or penal records on people benefited by the amnesty object of this law will have
23:05to eliminate from his archives the records related to them.
23:14The person interested in the case that the beneficiary is called for its detention or
23:24location abroad he will be immediately notified to the competent instances so that they put
23:32without effect those requests.
23:41Approve Article 14.
23:4330th we suggest to approve without modification the title of Article 15.
23:54This is all.
24:0331st we suggest to approve with modification of the content of Article 15 drafted in the
24:07following term Article 15 National Assembly will appoint a special commission that will
24:16develop and implement mechanisms to make sure the fulfillment of this law in collaboration
24:23with the justice system.
24:27To that end it will count with the support of experts with the object to provide counsel
24:34in function with the objectives established.
24:41Said commission will be able to recommend the competent organizations the implementation
24:48of additional measures to reach the goals for seeing Article 2.
24:54This is all.
24:58I'm going to give the floor to Antonio Carri.
25:04Minister President, deputies, special greeting to the figures of the Program of Peace are
25:12doing a great job and from this bench we recognize it.
25:19We must be very brave for peace and of course there's going to be a lot of provocations but
25:27one of the things that during the exercise of this work of the commission was this article.
25:37Coming from the consultations made we saw the need to create a commission, a parliamentary commission,
25:43not only to review the cases, a parliamentary commission that gave continuity to the work
25:50that has been developed by the commission which is drafting this bill.
25:56That's why we, given the conditions that we verify with interviews, with meetings and everything
26:06that we have been doing, we have provocations that are going to come of all kinds.
26:12Just like the provocations of this morning that you referred to, Mr. President, that we take
26:18the opportunity to reject, there are provocations of officials, corrupt officials in these countries
26:25that have made disasters in important causes.
26:36You are making accusations, very serious accusations to which we will need to request for proof.
26:47And we don't have time now, unless you have the proof right now.
26:54But until you do not present the proof, you cannot make those accusations.
27:03I'm saying there's a group. A group is something general.
27:12That's why I propose that this commission, to add precisely in the spirit of what we talked
27:23with Article 8, said commission will be able to recommend the company and organizations
27:30to adopt additional measures to be able to fulfill what is foreseen in Article 2, including alternative measures
27:42not foreseen in this law.
27:47The idea is precisely that recommendations are given to the judicial organizations.
27:54We give the recommendations to the National Assembly itself for the treatment of these facts.
28:00Thank you very much.
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