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00:00Fox News alert. TMZ is reporting ransom money may have just exchanged hands.
00:13About 12 minutes ago, we saw activity in that account. That's what I can't talk about.
00:21There are reasons I can't, but all I can say is there is now activity in that Bitcoin account.
00:29A local Tucson news station is reporting that less than $300 was put into the Bitcoin account, but there may be more coming.
00:37Meanwhile, SWAT team and bomb squad units have just been deployed in the hunt for Nancy Guthrie.
00:42They were seen peeling out of their Tucson headquarters. They were on the move and were tracking them.
00:48Police have been all over Savannah's sister's neighborhood this afternoon.
00:52FBI agents going door to door, asking Annie's neighbors for permission to search their property and looking for items that might have been disposed of or hidden.
01:02Annie Guthrie and her husband, Tommaso, were the last ones to see Nancy before she went missing.
01:08TMZ is reporting that investigators believe whoever took Nancy was from the Tucson area.
01:13And that manhunt seems to have zeroed in on a tiny radius surrounding her daughter's block.
01:20Annie and Tommaso's home is a 10-minute drive from Nancy's house, and authorities have been scrutinizing the locals.
01:27Earlier today, landscapers, pool cleaners, and contractors who had access to Nancy's house were swabbed for DNA.
01:34And after 10 days in the dark, we now have a possible suspect.
01:39The FBI released these photos this afternoon, showing a masked man at Nancy's door the night she disappeared.
01:46These photos were obtained from Nancy's doorbell camera, the one that went missing.
01:50The suspect is seen approaching the door with a ski mask, gloves, and a backpack.
01:56The backpack appears to be full.
01:58Was it full of valuables after a string of robberies, or was it packed with materials used to subdue and abduct Ms. Guthrie?
02:06Nobody knows.
02:08The bag has some reflective bands on the straps, and after closer analysis, detectives will probably be able to identify the exact type of backpack, and maybe where it was even purchased.
02:19At one point, the camera caught a reflection coming from the subject's mouth.
02:24It could be a flashlight that he held between his teeth to keep his hands free.
02:29Maybe those are braces.
02:30Maybe that's a gold tooth.
02:32Maybe a grill.
02:34The suspect also had a holstered handgun in the front of his belt.
02:38It's hard to tell if that's a long-barreled gun or if the, you know, the gun doesn't even really fit the holster.
02:44But keeping a gun strapped to your jock like that, amateur hour.
02:48The way the man moves could be wrong here, but it doesn't look like a professional.
02:53Look at what he walks up to the camera.
02:55At first, he tries covering it with his hand, and then he looks back, looks around, and uproots a plant and tries to obscure the lens with it.
03:04Now, if he'd cased the house properly, he would have come prepared with some black tape or something better than Nancy's vegetation.
03:12And just by the way he's wandering around with the gun like that and the big backpack, he doesn't seem ex-military.
03:19The Guthrie family told the FBI they didn't recognize this person on the doorbell camera, and that's when the Bureau released the footage to get the public's help.
03:29You can see a closely shaved mustache and thin eyebrows.
03:34Hard to tell if the suspect's white, black, Hispanic, but the feds will conduct their analysis, get his height, weight, other features.
03:42Nancy's Nest doorbell didn't have the ability to record footage, so it took the FBI to come in and subpoena Google to find the missing footage in the cloud.
03:53Today was the break the FBI had been looking for.
03:56Earlier today, the White House weighed in.
03:58It's heartbreaking to see now this footage really bring to life a story we've all been reading about, and again, we're just praying for the safety of Nancy Guthrie and that she will return home soon.
04:10And the president directed me to please encourage all Americans with any information to call the FBI, and we hope that this case will come to a positive resolution as soon as possible.
04:21Savannah still has hope that her mother's alive.
04:23She posted this earlier, quote, we believe she is still alive.
04:28Bring her home.
04:30The FBI obviously believes their new leads from the new video are hot and a matter of life or death.
04:36Wherever bomb squad and SWAT are headed now in Annie Guthrie's neighborhoods are the two areas of intense focus tonight.
04:43We pray that Nancy Guthrie's found alive and whoever did this is brought to justice.
04:50Trace Gallagher is our chief breaking news correspondent.
04:52Trace.
04:53You know, it's interesting, Jesse, you talk about Savannah Guthrie and posting her message today saying they believe their mom is still alive.
05:01She believes her mom is still alive.
05:03But you kind of have to go back to yesterday when Nancy Guthrie, sorry, when Savannah Guthrie posted that message yesterday asking for the public's help.
05:11Everybody was kind of confused, like, what help does the public need here?
05:14And now we kind of know the FBI posted this video today.
05:19The pictures, the video, the separate video.
05:22This was kind of the biggest break in the case.
05:25And since then, the FBI has reported a huge increase in the number of tips they have gotten to their line.
05:32And because of that, apparently some of these tips were at least worth following up to the extreme because you had a number of FBI agents, by our count, anywhere from 12 to 20 FBI agents that went into Annie Guthrie's neighborhood.
05:47Kind of canvassing the place, not to Annie Guthrie's house, mind you, but to other homes.
05:53They were knocking on doors, asking neighbors about their security cameras, their ring cameras, and then going around talking to different neighbors, showing them pictures,
06:02as well as going into the backyard of one of the neighbors and kind of going through some of the shrubbery and the brush, looking for what, we have no idea.
06:13And then you still have that presence right now in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood, but you also had, as you noted, you had some of the SWAT team cars that actually pulled out of the parking lot.
06:23And mind you, pulled out for the first time since our crews have been at the sheriff's station, which is the better part of nine days.
06:31They pulled out and they headed southeast, sometimes some 40, 45 miles away.
06:36What they're looking for, we have no idea, but it wasn't just SWAT team vehicles.
06:41It was also a bomb squad vehicle.
06:43It was a command center vehicle.
06:45We had the law enforcement helicopter flying around, television news helicopter flying around, all kind of focusing on this area, not only Nancy's house and Annie's house, but then the helicopters left.
06:58It is unclear if they made their way down the interstate 10 southeast, but that is still yet to be determined.
07:05But this clearly has provided, Jesse, some much needed momentum to this case because they are following things up.
07:14You mentioned the Bitcoin and the Bitcoin is the first time that we have heard that this Bitcoin wallet has been, has been activated, has been tried, has been opened since this investigation began.
07:28Yes, $300, not much in there.
07:30But the question is, who opened it?
07:32Was this the FBI?
07:34They certainly had the information on how to get in there.
07:36Did the FBI go in to this Bitcoin wallet?
07:39Were they putting cash in there as a lure?
07:41We have no idea because a lot of these things are unanswered, but we do know that right now the activity is still going and it is showing no signs of slowing down, Jesse.
07:53Okay, Trace, thank you so much.
07:55We really appreciate it.
07:57The fact that we're going to get maybe some breaks here is just incredible.
08:02Let's bring in John Nance as a retired federal investigator and former FBI supervisory special agent.
08:07When you hear the SWAT team and the bomb squad and a command post being dispatched, could that mean they're looking to recover, Nancy?
08:19Could there be an armed standoff, possibly a hostage standoff?
08:24What would you expect?
08:25Well, anytime you have SWAT deployed, you're looking at an imminent arrest, you could have a hostage rescue situation, but it's obviously indicative of something major developing in the case.
08:40SWAT isn't present just simply to be present.
08:43So it's a clear indication that there has been some actionable intelligence delivered very recently.
08:52And that's also sparked a lot of curiosity towards the sisters' neighborhood.
09:01We're hearing reports the FBI is going door to door right around Annie's house.
09:07What could that mean?
09:09Well, I think they're simply following up on leads since the photographs have come out.
09:15And by the way, thank God for the Trump administration and Kash Patel's reprioritization and revamping of the FBI's priorities.
09:26We're seeing tremendous work being done by the FBI.
09:30And this is a case in point.
09:31Going to Google and actually reconstructing this video footage is a tremendous, tremendous bit of forensic work.
09:40So I think that we're going to see something develop here pretty soon.
09:45And I think that the activity we're seeing around Annie's house has to do with a flurry of leads that have come in.
09:53And what can you pick up just by digesting the footage from the doorbell?
09:58I mean, the backpack's full.
09:59He's got some very awkward looking gloves.
10:02The way that the gun is strapped to the front of his waist appears very awkward.
10:07What does that tell you?
10:08Well, you know, the backpack, it raises more questions than it provides answers.
10:15You know, was it full of burglary tools?
10:19Was it full of items that could be used to restrain Nancy Guthrie?
10:25It's that that's still kind of an open question.
10:27But the way he conducts himself, it looks like he's in no hurry.
10:30The way he's carrying the firearm, to me, looks incredibly amateurish.
10:35However, Nancy Smith was talking earlier on Ingram that that's a Mexican carry that's very popular in that region.
10:44But to me, it's of, you know, very questionable tactical efficacy.
10:51So to me, you know, it looks like someone who doesn't really know what they're doing.
10:56And the big piece of that is this individual pulling up foliage, trying to, you know, cover the ring doorbell cam when a piece of tape could have done the job effectively.
11:07So really kind of a very confusing case.
11:12It has been from the beginning.
11:15It doesn't really fit any traditional kidnapping cases.
11:19I keep going back to the ransom demands.
11:22We know the first one was a hoax.
11:23The individual responsible for that was arrested.
11:26The second ransom demand came and went without any consequence, without any proof of life.
11:33So this doesn't fit, you know, the traditional ideas of a kidnapping case.
11:38So was this a home invasion gone wrong?
11:42It's hard to say.
11:44The backpack, it just depends on what was in the backpack, frankly.
11:48And I'm sure we'll get to the bottom.
11:51The Bureau will get to the bottom of this in short order.
11:54John, you believe it's a coincidence that there's activity in that Bitcoin account at the same time that the locals have dispatched SWAT and bomb squads?
12:05No, I don't think that's any coincidence.
12:07When you have a flurry of activity like this, I think that's indicative of a major break on the horizon.
12:15OK. And we believe that the bomb squad and the SWAT team should arrive pretty soon to this location.
12:27That's the intelligence we're getting.
12:28We don't want to disclose that because obviously we don't want to give anything away on live television.
12:34But the fact that there was a lot of scrutiny at Nancy's daughter's house with her husband, you know, they were the last people seen with their mother.
12:47I think there were two searches of that house and now there's a flurry of activity around that house.
12:55Is there any connection at all, do you believe, or is that just happenstance?
12:59Well, I don't put much stock in coincidence, so I don't want to say it's just happenstance.
13:08Although I don't want to make too sharp of a point about, you know, potentially family members' involvement.
13:15Of course, law enforcement usually begins with family members and kind of works out from that.
13:21I think everybody at this point is still a potential suspect.
13:27So I but I don't want to read too much into that.
13:30Again, I think that it's the FBI working through the leads that they've been getting as a result of this, this, the photographs and the and the ring camera footage.
13:42OK, John, thank you so much for your expertise.
13:45Paul Cialino is a retired homicide investigator.
13:48Paul, what do you make about this quick dispatch of these two vehicles, SWAT and BOM, along with the command post people at the same time the Bitcoin activity popped up in this account?
14:01Well, somebody's going to jail tonight or tomorrow at the latest.
14:05And I would not want to be the last person that was with Mrs. Guthrie when she disappeared.
14:12I'll tell you that they're not in Annie's neighborhood because they don't suspect her husband of some involvement.
14:21That's why they're there.
14:23And they listen, I would imagine defense lawyers are being rounded up right now.
14:27Well, there's he's got a big problem because you don't spend that much time and energy unless you have direct knowledge and they've got some kind of electronic knowledge.
14:37And I think that's what they're following up on.
14:40But someone's going to get locked up tonight or tomorrow.
14:42I'm pretty I'd bet money on it.
14:43Yeah. So it seems like they've been cooperating with law enforcement and, you know, they were the last people to be seen with the mom.
14:51Nothing indicates they're involved with it so far.
14:54But the intense scrutiny of the house and the neighborhood makes a lot of people suspicious.
15:00When you're looking at the ringtone video, what jumps out at you first?
15:06My the gloves at first for me just seemed like a very weird thing to wear, because if you want to go in, you want to remain nimble.
15:16And these look like very bulky gloves.
15:22Jesse, this is Ask Clown School 101 happening right before your eyes.
15:26This is so poorly thought out and executed.
15:31I'm not surprised that there wasn't violence happening that night.
15:39I mean, I and I think Mrs. Guthrie may have recognized or understood who was at her door that night.
15:47And I think she thinks that's a big problem for her.
15:50What makes you think that?
15:53I'm going to tell you something.
15:54I really believe there's two people involved in this, the guy who grabbed her and the guy who set it up.
15:59And there's going to be money involved at some point.
16:02Somebody thinks they're going to get paid for doing this.
16:04And I'm not sure looking at this guy that he's got the the brainpower to set up a complicated Bitcoin ransom.
16:16I'd I'd be shocked.
16:17So someone who's very familiar with Mrs. Guthrie to home has set this whole thing up.
16:22This guy may have been spending a lot of time there as an subcontractor, an employee of a contractor.
16:30Someone who was familiar with that layout did this.
16:33This guy was, as everyone has said, that's looked at this thing.
16:37He was not the least bit shook about being there at that time of night.
16:42Yeah.
16:43And that gun is anyone who's had more than eight hours of range time is not going to wear a gun like that.
16:49Right.
16:49They call it a Mexican carry.
16:51I've never heard of that before.
16:52What would be the tactical advantage of carrying it like that?
16:55I can't even imagine.
16:56I mean, that doesn't make any tactical advantage.
16:58Right.
16:59No.
16:59Okay.
17:00All right.
17:00Listen, he might have been the muscle.
17:02There might have been some brains behind this.
17:04Someone with some intel.
17:05And it looks like that could end tonight, possibly.
17:09And hopefully it ends swiftly.
17:11Well, if the brains hired this guy, they're not too brainy.
17:13Yeah, I would agree.
17:14I would agree with that assessment.
17:16Because when they grab this guy, Jesse, this guy will fold like a tent in a snowstorm.
17:21All right?
17:22Whoever this guy is, and they probably got a phone number or, you know, a ticked-off ex-girlfriend's banging the phone off the hook at the FBI.
17:31They got a name, and I think they know who they're going after.
17:35And when they grab this guy, it's going to take about 10 minutes of him going, well, yeah, this is who I was involved with.
17:41You think just watching this video, if you knew this guy and you saw his eyes, you saw his lips, you could say, I know this guy, and call it in just by this footage here?
17:54I promise you, there's some ticked-off ex-girlfriend out there, wife, child even, relative who doesn't like this guy, thinks she knows who it is, and picked up the phone and dropped the dime on him.
18:07Well, they've got a name.
18:08Well, then that person's $50,000 richer.
18:12And thank goodness.
18:13Well, maybe, maybe not.
18:16Well, we'll see how it shakes out.
18:18Thank you so much for coming on.
18:20Look forward to speaking to you in the future.
18:23Scott Sweetow is a retired ATF executive and retired deputy director of intelligence.
18:29What jumps out at you from this video?
18:33It was the clue that everybody was waiting for, clearly.
18:38It's interesting that the family actually saw this first.
18:41They went to them first.
18:43There's various reasons why they would have done that.
18:45But essentially what they've done in law enforcement lingo is they tickled the wire in a huge way.
18:52So by releasing this, they knew there was going to just be a massive flood of information and tips.
18:58And I suspect that there have been.
19:00And if that person thought that they were anonymous, I think that cloak of anonymity is absolutely shattered as a result of this video technology.
19:10And by the way, Jesse, I don't think that that's all.
19:13You have these Nest cameras, and there's no reason to think that the same kind of technology as far as exploiting the back-end system wouldn't have been attempted on some of the other cameras that were around that house.
19:26So they may very well have and are holding photos from inside that house or from the pool house, and they're just waiting for the right time to release it if, in fact, they need to.
19:37Kind of like with the Brown shooting where a lot of stuff just trickled out.
19:40And do you think they're going to need to?
19:42Because it looks like tonight's going to be a big night.
19:44You have a lot of major people en route to a location.
19:49They should be there any minute.
19:50And we're going to take you there when they get there.
19:53Could this possibly be an exchange, a drop, or more like serving a search warrant for the suspect?
20:03From the amount of hardware that they have flowing out there, this doesn't seem to me like it's some sort of a drop.
20:12Also, you know, you wonder why if this person is potentially now on the run or they're worried that people know who he is or that he could get identified, why would you pay a ransom at this moment?
20:26That the kidnapper or kidnappers would have to have been in communication to give some sort of information about a drop or to try to rapidly push an exchange through, and not in Bitcoin, but doing it in person.
20:41So if that's the case, then the plans have completely fallen apart, and it's anyone's guess.
20:46But, you know, I'm from Tucson.
20:48My family is still in Tucson.
20:51I know the area very well.
20:52I would be surprised if they're rolling that kind of firepower and technology out there just on a whim.
21:00They may very well have the person identified, as your last guest said, but I guess we'll see in not very long at all.
21:08You know, TMZ reported that there was activity in the account.
21:11They were a little vague, and then the locals reported it was only $300.
21:16What does that tell you?
21:20Maybe it's not even connected.
21:21I'm of a couple of different minds.
21:23Yeah, I'm of a couple of different minds on that.
21:25In the first place, we don't know who else has access to the wallet.
21:30When those crypto wallets are set up, sometimes multiple criminals or multiple organizations could have access to them.
21:37It could be that the person is panicked, and they're trying to put a little bit of money in there to make sure that everything is set,
21:46and they're going to contact the family and say, okay, it's now or never.
21:51You need to put the money in there.
21:53I know the account's working.
21:55Or it could be a completely uninvolved criminal that just has access to that wallet.
22:00It's hard to say.
22:02I think we're really not going to know for sure until later.
22:05But the fact that it's only a few hundred dollars, to me, doesn't point to it being anything really significant.
22:12All right.
22:12Scott, thank you, as always.
22:14We appreciate it.
22:15James Fitzgerald is a retired FBI criminal profiler.
22:19James, we know we're seeing a lot of heavy artillery going to this location, and they should be there momentarily.
22:25What about all the activity at the daughter's house?
22:29There seems to be an overwhelming amount of FBI and police officers there going door to door.
22:38Yeah, Jesse, there's a lot of coordinated activity taking place today, probably over the last 48 hours,
22:44ever since these video pictures have become present and shown to the family.
22:50They're denying they know anyone that looks like that.
22:52We believe them.
22:53But something else is still attracting police, now apparently bomb squad, as you said,
22:58and even the SWAT teams, up to Annie's house for whatever reason.
23:02I don't know how big their property is, what kind of neighbors they have around there.
23:06Do they have problem neighbors?
23:07Is that someone who they're suspecting may be involved here?
23:10I know the family can't be ruled out, but the bottom line is, with these videos,
23:14the monster of Tucson, we finally have seen his face.
23:17All we've got to do is take that mask off, and I think that may be coming sooner than later.
23:21What did you see in his face?
23:22You saw a little mustache, some pretty well-manicured eyebrows, they're saying.
23:28Yeah, and I said all along, this person was mission-oriented to successfully complete this abduction, which he did.
23:40But looking at this video, it looks like it wasn't implemented all that smoothly.
23:45And this may explain now why there was that missing 41 minutes or so that this person may have been in the house.
23:51I don't think he's clever enough to put a fake mustache in there or fake eyebrows of some sort.
23:58I don't think we have that level of sophistication here.
24:01I also don't think he's the guy that rips off the cell phones in the subway or steals the car, then turns it over to the big boss.
24:08They get $50 for what they do.
24:10If there is a second person involved, if this by chance is an actual kidnapping for profit, then this is just the muscle that goes in the door.
24:18He may have some muscles, but from what I'm seeing, how this guy is interacting on this camera, not too much in the way of brains, including how he's carrying the weapon, the backpack, which looks like a parachute.
24:29Who knows what else is in there?
24:30He should have duct tape or black electrical tape to put over the camera.
24:34Instead, he picks up some flora out of the garden.
24:38There's just nothing that makes sense about this guy, except that he's not a professional home invader or abductor in that regard.
24:45This is probably his first time, depending mostly on movies and TV shows, and not the very good ones either.
24:50Yeah, I think you're absolutely right about that.
24:53But if you were putting a guy up to something like this, why would you just send one guy to get an 84-year-old woman?
25:01Wouldn't you send more than one person?
25:06Yeah, I mean, we've talked about that.
25:08I have certainly in the last week on various forums.
25:11And what we can't see in these videos, at least so far, is any car in a driveway.
25:16I'd be very surprised if there was no vehicle involved.
25:19I mean, I don't know if this guy could walk with someone.
25:21I heard you talk about the fireman's carry later on, or straight out, you know, like someone else would carry, the 150-pound Mrs. Guthrie.
25:29But as goofy as this guy looks on video, I mean, he may be a loner.
25:37I hate the word lone wolf, but just someone who came up with this in his mind, probably with psychological issues.
25:42I'm not trying to give a criminal defense here, but he probably has some issues even picking up flowers, holding them up to the phone.
25:48At first, I thought maybe that was symbolic or ritualistic.
25:51I don't believe it's that.
25:52It's just the electrical tape was buried too deep in the bag, and he couldn't get it out then.
25:58So he just put the flowers up and then somehow eventually got the camera itself off the wall.
26:02Yeah, the flower move, that was pretty silly.
26:05James, thank you again for coming on Jesse Waters Prime Time.
26:08More breaking news in the Nancy Guthrie search.
26:11Straight ahead.
26:12Fox News alert.
26:16TMZ reporting ransom money may have just exchanged hands in the Nancy Guthrie case.
26:22SWAT teams have been deployed.
26:23Also, agents are in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood going door-to-door searching for clues.
26:30Jonathan Hunt is our chief correspondent.
26:32Jonathan.
26:32Jesse, let's tackle that Bitcoin transfer first.
26:40It is, according to KGUN9, which, like TMZ, it's a local TV station, by the way, like TMZ, got a hold of that first ransom note, which had the Bitcoin wallet address in it.
26:51KGUN9 says that transfer is less than $300, so it's very difficult to think that that is the ransom money, of course, which was in the millions of dollars, possibly a test transfer.
27:05We're not absolutely sure.
27:07Then the SWAT vehicles you mentioned, they left from here at the Pima County Sheriff's Department just about three hours ago, Jesse.
27:16We saw the sheriff's deputies loading up those vehicles with shields and other gear.
27:22Then two SWAT vehicles pulled out of the parking lot here.
27:26A few minutes later, a mobile command center vehicle pulled out.
27:32And then, finally, the bomb squad vehicle also pulled out.
27:35I can tell you, Jesse, as I look to my left here at the Pima County Sheriff's Department now, that bomb squad vehicle just pulled back in.
27:45But the two SWAT vehicles and the mobile command center are still out there somewhere.
27:50We were made aware of a location that they might be traveling to.
27:55I can tell you that we would not reveal that location, of course, because we don't want to compromise the operation.
28:01But they have not, or at least we have not seen them at that location yet.
28:06And it stands to reason they don't just roll out of here, Jesse, and 10 minutes later they're taking action.
28:11What you would normally expect is they roll out of here, they get to a staging point, they go over their plan, and then they act.
28:19We'll wait to see if that transpires in the next few hours.
28:23And then, finally, Jesse, you mentioned the activity at Annie Guthrie's house.
28:26That is around Annie Guthrie's house.
28:29That is the house, by the way, she shares with her husband, Tommaso Cioni.
28:34There is still activity in that general neighborhood.
28:38We don't know specifically what they're looking for.
28:41It seems to be follow-up investigations talking to neighbors and the like right now, Jesse.
28:46All right, Jonathan, thank you so much.
28:48Chris Schwecker is a former assistant FBI director.
28:51Chris, you know, we had you on last night.
28:53A lot's happened in 24 hours.
28:55What's the headline?
29:00Well, the headline is there will be a solution, I think, within the next 24 hours.
29:04I mean, this reminds me of the Brown University case where you could just feel it.
29:09The investigation was at a stage where they were at a warehouse, they were at a hotel.
29:13Everybody was on the move.
29:15The SWAT team was on the move.
29:16So it feels like that right now.
29:18And having been a SWAT team member, you know they don't go out in the middle of this time of evening to go train.
29:26I mean, they went out there with some sense of urgency.
29:28You got the Mobile Command Center out there as well and the bomb squad.
29:31So something's cooking there.
29:34And, you know, I got to say, the activity around Annie's house is noteworthy.
29:40And that's all I'll say at this point right now.
29:41Okay, so define noteworthy, Chris.
29:43Because they've been there, I mean, almost every other day since this started.
29:50Yeah.
29:51Yeah, they have.
29:53They have not left that location.
29:55They've been back there every day, gumshoeing up and down the neighborhood.
30:00Today, with some intensity, knocking on doors, asking if something, you know,
30:05they want to look for something that might have been dropped on the property or left on the property.
30:09And it's just in too close a proximity to Annie's house to not think that they're on to something involving perhaps the husband or someone in the family.
30:22So, you know, you got the two things going on at the same time.
30:25We're on the outside looking in.
30:26It's hard to say exactly what's going on.
30:29But I believe there's a solution that's imminent.
30:31Yeah, because usually you'd think they would have already done the neighbors of Nancy's house and that surrounding area.
30:39But to then investigate and actually seek access to the properties around the neighbors and the neighborhoods of the daughter,
30:49that seems like they're closing a circle there for, I mean,
30:53I hate to think that they would have anything to do with the disappearance of their mother.
30:58It's just amazing.
31:00But when you looked at the video for the first time and you saw the guy's eyes, you saw his mouth, you saw his gait, how did that strike you?
31:13It leads me to believe that we've identified suspects on much less than that.
31:19I mean, when you look at the clothes, you look at the way he, you know, his shape, this person is in shape.
31:25He wears tight clothes.
31:27You can see the shape of his head underneath that, you know, that mask that he's wearing.
31:31You can see the real dark mustache.
31:34This is a dark person.
31:37You know, this is the equipment that he's carrying, the backpack.
31:40I think the backpack's carrying duffel bags.
31:42It looks like something soft in there and consistent, not lumpy.
31:46So, you know, it could be that there are duffel bags or bags that would be taken into the house to carry things away.
31:53But, you know, that's, again, we're on the outside looking in.
31:56But I think there's plenty there to make an identification if you know this person, just like, you know, we've seen in other cases.
32:05And I believe that the gait, again, the mannerisms, the equipment, the shoes, everything, the gun, the holster.
32:15You know, you say dark.
32:17Do you mean psychologically dark?
32:19Do you mean dark skin, dark hair?
32:21What do you mean?
32:24I see a real dark mustache and dark eyes and just a hint of some dark eyebrows.
32:31So, you know, I don't believe this is a red-haired or blonde person.
32:35I think this is someone who's dark.
32:36You don't grow a mustache that dark without being kind of a swarthy person.
32:41So, you know, I think we'll get a height at some point.
32:46I think there's some details that have not been released.
32:49You know, very quickly in other cases, they've released the height of the person and the, you know, other things.
32:55Perhaps there's some voice in there that they've reconstructed or other video.
33:00If they can reconstruct that nest video at that door, they can certainly reconstruct video from all the other cameras on that property.
33:07And there were other cameras on that property.
33:10And usually nests come in sets, those type of home security sets.
33:15So there's a lot of other cameras where the reconstruction is either ongoing or has already taken place.
33:20Would they hold back that video and not release it yet?
33:24Would they wait on that potentially?
33:26And why would they do that?
33:27Yeah, I mean, I mean, the strategy is only release enough detail and enough that you can get an identification, because then if you have witnesses, you don't need them, you know, recollecting from what they saw on the media.
33:43You want them to have independent recollection of something they saw firsthand.
33:47So the less you put out there, the less you're going to taint a future jury pool, for example, if there's ever, you know, a jury or a trial.
33:58You know, you just don't want to put all that information out there and have some witness come forward and all their memory is really from what they saw in the press.
34:07All right, Chris, thanks as always.
34:08We really appreciate it.
34:10Trace Gallagher, he's our chief breaking news correspondent.
34:13Trace.
34:14Yeah, Jesse, we just a couple of quick updates here for you.
34:19We just found out that the bomb squad has now brought back their truck to the sheriff's station here in Pima County.
34:26And the person who was inside the bomb squad has now gotten into a cruiser, a sheriff's cruiser, and is apparently just sitting there waiting.
34:34Now, that said, it has been dark now for the better part of 25, 30 minutes, and the FBI agents are still in Annie Guthrie's neighborhood kind of canvassing that area.
34:45At last check, there was at least a dozen agents, and they're still kind of going, and they're checking the shrubbery even at night, kind of going through that area.
34:53We have no idea what they're looking for, but they have been going inside backyard areas.
34:59They have been going up to neighbors, knocking on doors, showing them pictures and asking about their security camera situations, and then again, kind of looking around for the brush.
35:09That's a look right there of Annie Guthrie's home, and you can imagine they're kind of like this, that they're not as spread out, so you can cover more area and talk to more neighbors.
35:20But you can see that, you know, they are actively looking for something.
35:26As for the two SWAT team members that left, the two SWAT team vehicles that left the sheriff's station for the first time in nine days, about two hours ago,
35:35they are apparently still either have made their location southeast of Tucson.
35:42We have a team down there with them, Jesse.
35:44They are driving around neighborhoods trying to find them.
35:48So far, we have not located those vehicles.
35:51When we do, we'll let you know.
35:53All right.
35:54Appreciate it, Trace.
35:55Let's bring in criminal defense attorney Joshua Ritter and retired lieutenant and detective Randy Sutton.
36:01Randy, you'd think that the family, Annie and Tommaso, would have an alibi.
36:07You'd think they'd run their phones, their car, their computers, and they say they dropped the mom off, they came back, and they went to bed.
36:15Why are they still focused so intently on the homes surrounding Annie's house at this point?
36:26And that's a great question.
36:27Now, remember this, that just days ago, the detectives were there, and they were taking photographs.
36:36It appeared that they were taking items out of the house, and there was mention made that they were there on a consent search.
36:45And I brought this up, that if you're going to look for evidence, and I think the counselor will agree with me,
36:51if you're going to look for evidence that might be incriminating, you're going to want to get a search warrant, not a consensual search.
36:57And the reason for that is because the burden of proof is so much greater on the state because of a consensual search.
37:05Now we're seeing that they are back at the residence.
37:08They were back inside the residence.
37:10And my question is, I wonder if this has now changed from a consensual situation to a search warrant.
37:18But we won't know that, but they will have to file that.
37:20Yeah, Josh, so it's them saying, yeah, come on in, take a look around, here's my phones, I'll give you whatever you want.
37:27Do you hear that Annie and Tommaso have lawyered up?
37:32I mean, even if you're completely innocent, you probably want to have a lawyer, right?
37:39Yes.
37:40I mean, yes, that's always good advice.
37:42But we have not heard anything about them lawyering.
37:44All that we've ever heard is that they have always maintained cooperation with authorities.
37:48The authorities have always said they've cooperated.
37:51We know they've been interviewed more than once.
37:53I'm sure that they have handed over their digital devices.
37:56To your point about providing an alibi, you also can provide an alibi through your digital devices.
38:01Your phone is going to say everywhere you've ever been and what you've been up to.
38:04They've provided all of that.
38:06We've never heard anything out of either the FBI or local law enforcement but to say that they have no suspects and they have no persons of interest.
38:14And I imagine that would include the family as well.
38:16Yeah, I just would hate to speculate about them having anything to do with that.
38:21It's just it would break your heart if they did.
38:23Randy, when you saw this suspect at the door with the mask and the weapon, especially with the weapon dangling in between his legs,
38:32what's the first thing that went through your mind?
38:34Well, first, what a bizarre look this was.
38:40I mean, this was something right out of a horror movie, Jesse.
38:43I mean, can you imagine the panic that a woman of 84 years would have, you know, coming face to face with this creature?
38:50Secondly, watching his lumbering moves, I found interesting.
38:56And the fact that that weapon was bizarre because it looked like some howdy-doody holster,
39:04but it looked like, you know, quite a lethal semi-automatic pistol, which didn't belong in that holster, but in there nonetheless.
39:12And I found that really bizarre.
39:15But everything about this look and this situation, well, that is bizarre.
39:22Yeah, Josh, has this mystery, I mean, has there been anything like it?
39:27No. I mean, we tried looking into when is the last time that you've actually seen a high-profile kidnapping,
39:38and it's been over 50 years.
39:39You go back to, you know, when Getty's grandson was kidnapped, I think was the most recent.
39:44It's just unheard of.
39:45But that's assuming that that's what we're dealing with, is a kidnapping.
39:49The information that's come out lately is starting to really make it sound like that's not true.
39:53I don't believe, from Savannah Guthrie's latest statement, from the FBI's latest statement,
39:58that they take that ransom to be legitimate any longer.
40:02I think they are looking into this as being some other type of crime.
40:05That person came there with bad intentions.
40:07We're just trying to figure out what those intentions were.
40:09Yeah. An abduction, burglary gone wrong. Who knows?
40:13I think we're about to find out pretty soon.
40:15Gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us.
40:18Primetime's breaking coverage of Nancy Guthrie's disappearance straight ahead.
40:23Fox News alert.
40:26Major developments in the Nancy Guthrie case.
40:29Agents are canvassing her daughter, Annie Guthrie's neighborhood.
40:32Meanwhile, TMZ is reporting activity in the ransom account, and SWAT teams on the move.
40:38Chad Ayers is a former SWAT assistant team leader.
40:41When you guys are deployed in a situation like this, what would you expect?
40:46Yeah, Jesse, I want to be very careful about a lot of the information we give out right now.
40:53Obviously, you know, we want to protect Nancy Guthrie.
40:56If she is still being held captive, this could jeopardize her life.
40:59It could also jeopardize the lives of HRT or the SWAT team if they do have good intelligence as to where they are.
41:05We do not want them being ambushed, and we don't want anything happening to Nancy Guthrie.
41:10But broad-scale type of situation like that, I agree.
41:14They're going to go.
41:14They're going to stage.
41:15They're going to wait for some type of information, and surveillance teams will probably be deployed, drones, to verify exactly where, if it is a hostage rescue, where this person is.
41:28Now, keep in mind, this may not actually be a hostage rescue.
41:31Maybe they just have an idea as to where a possible suspect, they have hard intelligence as to where the suspect is.
41:37If that's the case, then maybe the local authorities are going to go in, sweep in, or maybe it's an accomplice, someone that they know, and they're trying to get more information.
41:45So right now, though, I think it's just very important that, you know, listen, we have every major news outlet and local news outlet camped out, so it's very hard to be discreet in their movements.
41:54But I think it's really, really important to just be careful what we put out.
41:59We don't know who's listening.
42:00So it could be a host of options.
42:03Could it also be an option that Nancy has been dropped somewhere and she is alone and waiting to be picked up?
42:13Sure.
42:14I think that's a fair case.
42:15Now, I don't think it's going to be like something that we see on a Hollywood movie where we're staged up on she's on one side of the bridge and our tactical teams are on the other.
42:22But absolutely, we would want, first of all, and I guarantee the SWAT team, HRT, has medics.
42:29I am certain she's probably going to need medical attention if she is, you know, found alive.
42:33So 100%, I completely concur with that.
42:36And would this be a negotiation?
42:38Would they bring in an FBI negotiator if it is a captive that you guys are looking to release?
42:45How would that play out?
42:47Yeah, I'm sure that's already probably started if they do, you know, if they are in communication.
42:53Who knows how long or if they've started communications already.
42:56But, you know, we rely heavily on negotiators.
42:59And FBI has the best negotiators there are in the country.
43:02And they are going to do everything they can, you know, to entice the hostage taker, you know, to do a peaceful surrender of Nancy and probably try to convince them, listen, if you just release her and we do things, you know, peacefully, we don't want you to get hurt.
43:16We don't want to get hurt.
43:17We don't want Nancy to get hurt.
43:19This will also help with a, you know, a reduced sentence.
43:22There's ways that these negotiators are going to work to try to sweeten this deal and get her released and back home where she needs to be.
43:28All right. And our people are telling us there is an elite hostage rescue team right now in Tucson.
43:36We can't say if they've been deployed or they're staging or exactly where and what they're doing.
43:41But that's what we've been told.
43:43Was it always your understanding that this was going to end violently?
43:48I mean, she was definitely taken violently.
43:51You can tell that from the blood splatter.
43:53Yeah, you know, I will say this, if there if there's a way to peacefully in there and transfer her, they're going to do that.
44:03If there is a hostage rescue and FBI's HRT team, who is the absolute best there is in the country at this.
44:11And I'm not giving away any tactics.
44:13It's going to be fast.
44:14It's going to be loud and it will be violent.
44:17Good. Well, whatever it takes, we're all we're all praying for Nancy and a quick resolution to this crazy situation.
44:25Thank you so much.
44:25That was great analysis.
44:27Paul Morrow is an attorney and former NYPD inspector.
44:31Paul, the ransom account, I guess, hit for 300 bills.
44:38Very strange since the request was six million.
44:41What's going on behind the scenes there?
44:46Yeah.
44:47So, Jesse, here's my take on that.
44:49And obviously, it's purely speculative.
44:51Law enforcement's not going to do that.
44:54You know, I know the first blush is to think, all right, they're trying to lure him out with a couple of hundred bucks.
44:58And maybe he's dumb enough to take it.
45:00And then they got another data point to work at.
45:02Here's my assessment of that.
45:05The two letters, I think this cuts against the two letters being genuine.
45:09The two letters had no real proof of life, always made us all skeptical.
45:15That tells me that this is a bad guy crew who put up a Bitcoin address that they own and that stayed up.
45:24And when they didn't get what they wanted relative to this, the deadline passed.
45:28They realized they weren't going to get paid without paying for proof of life that they can't provide.
45:33They went back to business as usual.
45:35What's business as usual? Selling identities on the Internet that they grabbed off the dart with for $100 each.
45:41And so they have this digital wallet that's a bad guy wallet constituted from God knows where.
45:48Very good chance over in Russia, you know, a ransomware crew or something like that.
45:53And this is the kind of stuff they do.
45:54And now they're back to business as usual because they didn't make what they thought was going to be an easy score out of this terrible situation.
46:00And we're looking at the video that the FBI released.
46:03They were able to get Google to release some of this back-end cloud footage from this camera that wasn't recording but somehow was being stored.
46:14When you watch this, tell me how you interpret his movement, the way he walks, his pacing.
46:22What does that tell you?
46:23Well, first of all, he's very unhurried.
46:27You know, he almost seems quite comfortable there.
46:30Yeah.
46:30I think from what I can see, he's wearing something else under the ski mask.
46:35Hard to see what.
46:37The glint in his mouth.
46:39Sometimes you see that.
46:41I'm talking to a detective today who has seen it before.
46:44They use a bite light or a very small camera because his teeth seem to glint at one point.
46:49And actually, when he bends down to mess around with the bush, which is also very amateuristic to try to cover the camera, you see it flash for a sec.
46:59So that tells me this is not somebody who is sort of the James Bond of criminals here.
47:05Now, it could be just glinting off the light.
47:07It's very hard to tell for what we've got.
47:09But let's understand what Google did here.
47:12She didn't have a subscription.
47:13It's not film.
47:16It's not film.
47:17This is digital stuff that they managed to pull out, probably from somehow or another communicating with her Wi-Fi system.
47:26Yeah.
47:26I mean, and thank God the FBI came in and salvaged this with Google because without this, I mean, we would have nothing.
47:34So Cash Patel obviously deserves a lot of credit here.
47:37Paul, thank you so much.
47:40Let's bring in former FBI profiler and Criminal Minds writer Jim Clemente.
47:44Jim, I mean, how does this guy look to you?
47:49Does this look like a solo act, like he has an accomplice?
47:52What?
47:53Yeah, he definitely looks like a solo act.
47:56It's somebody that he thinks he's smarter than he actually is.
47:59He made a lot of mistakes.
48:01He's wearing light clothing.
48:02He's wearing reflectors for a night op.
48:05It's just really is not somebody who's sophisticated criminally.
48:08He does think he did plan, but he's not over the top in terms of his preparation.
48:15Also, where he's wearing his gun, he's not had any police or military training.
48:20I'm probably not.
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