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Jesse Watters Primetime February 9, 2026
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00:00Fox News alert, the final deadline for the Nancy Guthrie ransom just passed.
00:11The alleged kidnappers demanding $6 million by 7 Eastern.
00:16Just moments ago, Savannah Guthrie released this.
00:20We believe our mom is still out there.
00:24We need your help.
00:26Law enforcement is working tirelessly around the clock trying to bring her home, trying to find her.
00:36She was taken and we don't know where.
00:39And we need your help.
00:44So I'm coming on just to ask you, not just for your prayers, but no matter where you are, even if you're far from Tucson.
00:52If you see anything, if you hear anything, if there's anything at all that seems strange to you, that you report to law enforcement, we are at an hour of desperation.
01:09And we need your help.
01:10This is the first time Savannah has spoken directly to the public.
01:14Previous videos were mainly aimed at the kidnappers.
01:18Many feared Nancy was no longer alive and that negotiations had taken a dark turn after Savannah put this video out on Saturday.
01:26This suggested to some that the Guthrie's were willing to pay for the return of their mother's body.
01:51But then, late Saturday night, unmarked police vehicles returned once again to Annie Guthrie's house.
01:58That's the sister and her husband, Tommaso.
02:01Law enforcement stayed for more than two hours.
02:04Cameras flashed inside the house and reporters heard loud clanking noises as several items were carried out and loaded into police vehicles.
02:12At one point, an agent was seen carrying a silver briefcase, possibly a Celebrite device, typically used to analyze iPhones and computers.
02:23This would be the second time investigators brought the device to Annie Guthrie's house.
02:28Later, a deputy was seen loading a white case along with a brown bag into a police vehicle.
02:35Does this suggest authorities are scrutinizing the family?
02:38Does this mean they don't believe their side of the story?
02:41We have no idea.
02:43It could very well be routine.
02:45But with no suspects and the sheriff not ruling anybody out, it does raise a lot of questions.
02:521030 at night seems very late to be conducting sudden searches of the sister's house.
02:57They must have gotten new information or perhaps there was something so urgent they couldn't wait for the morning.
03:03We assume the Guthrie family is cooperating with authorities.
03:06We have no reason to believe they aren't.
03:08The next day, Sunday, investigators searched a septic tank behind Nancy's home, looking for possible evidence that may have been flushed.
03:19Fox News examined the area surrounding the property.
03:22Watch.
03:22I wanted to give you a different point of view.
03:25So you've got Nancy's house.
03:27It's in the middle and the lots are large enough for privacy.
03:31We walk to the front of the properties and on one side, mailbox to mailbox, it's about 300 feet.
03:37On the other side, it's a little closer.
03:39But with both the homes that flank her house, there are lines of vegetation, there's space and cactus.
03:46And from what we could gather, it appears the neighbors to the back may have the best vantage point to her home.
03:53Authorities haven't even determined whether the ransom notes are legitimate.
03:57As far as we know, they could be real or they could be hoaxes.
04:00And so far, whoever's sending these messages hasn't provided proof of life.
04:06Authorities have said there's been no video or no pictures proving Nancy's still alive in anyone's captivity.
04:14Although these messages could contain written details that only Nancy and the family would know that prove someone has her.
04:21Also new tonight, the FBI is saying it's not aware of any continued communication between the Guthrie family and suspected kidnappers.
04:31Nor have we identified a suspect or person of interest in this case at this time.
04:37There's also a new question about the note itself, which specified that the payment be made in U.S. dollars.
04:45Suggesting the senders could be outside the country or foreign actors.
04:49Or the messages could just be written by A.I.
04:52The Sheriff's Department, after doing a ton of media, suddenly doesn't have anything to say.
04:59The Nancy Guthrie investigation is ongoing.
05:02Follow-up continues at multiple locations.
05:05No suspects, persons of interest, or vehicles have been identified.
05:09No scheduled press briefings.
05:11If any significant developments occur in this case, a press conference will be called.
05:16So, no time for a briefing, but the Sheriff did have time for a basketball game.
05:23Here he is at the University of Arizona Wildcats game on Saturday, just minutes before Savannah released the video saying she'd pay.
05:31So, Savannah paid the ransom?
05:35We don't know.
05:36The deadline just passed.
05:38And authorities are expected to continue activity at the Guthrie homes tonight and into tomorrow.
05:44Earlier, TMZ reported that the Bitcoin account that the alleged kidnappers were using still appeared empty.
05:53Do you pay ransom without proof of life?
05:56Or do you just roll the dice?
05:58These are the heart-wrenching decisions that have to be made.
06:02Jonathan Hunts, our chief correspondent.
06:04Jonathan.
06:04Well, Jesse, a couple of points on the Savannah Guthrie video first, the new one that she just released.
06:15First of all, she talks about her mother in a different way than we've heard in previous videos.
06:22She said, for instance, she is hearing the prayers.
06:27And she said, we do believe that she is out there somewhere.
06:32That was an interesting contrast, I think, to the message Savannah and her siblings released on Saturday directly to the kidnappers.
06:41A lot of people interpreted the language in Saturday's video as perhaps recognizing a worst-case scenario.
06:49But Savannah, very much in this video tonight, saying, we believe, we have faith, we hope that our mother is still alive.
06:58Now, secondly, you go back again to the Saturday video.
07:03The final words in Saturday's video, the message directly to the kidnappers, was, we will pay.
07:10Now, you would imagine if they have made the decision, we will pay, they do that very quickly in the interest of moving things along and getting their mother back as quickly as possible.
07:22And we also know from the first ransom note that whomever claimed to have Nancy Guthrie had said, once payment is received, we will return Nancy Guthrie to Tucson within a certain time frame.
07:36So has that time frame passed? Did Savannah Guthrie and her family pay for Nancy Guthrie and then heard absolutely nothing from the kidnappers?
07:47That could point to one of two things.
07:49It could be that the kidnappers got that money paid and just decided, well, we're not going to have any further communication with you and disappeared, left Nancy Guthrie wherever she is.
07:59Or it could mean that it was all a hoax in the first place.
08:03These are huge open questions, obviously, Jesse, and we're getting no answers from the sheriff's department or anyone else at this point.
08:11And just a quick point on the TMZ reporting about that one Bitcoin wallet that has zero in it is the Bitcoin wallet.
08:18We believe the address was given in the first ransom note.
08:21I can tell you this, Jesse, that it takes anywhere, depending on the complexity with which you're setting it up, from two to 15, one, five minutes to set up a Bitcoin wallet.
08:33So whatever was in that first address, they could have set up a dozen, 20, 30, 40, 100 new Bitcoin addresses and communicated those in the second ransom note.
08:43And remember, we have not seen any details from that one that was only sent to one local TV station here.
08:50So a huge number of open questions tonight, Jesse, and we're just not getting any answers from the sheriff's department.
08:57And as we've been saying throughout this, Jesse, it is absolutely within the right of all of these law enforcement officials to tell us as little as they want to not to compromise the nature of the investigation.
09:07But you have to say, tonight, when you listen to that new video from Savannah Guthrie, she seems desperate.
09:14She seems to, while paying tribute to the work of law enforcement officials, have little faith that the investigation is actually making any progress, Jesse.
09:24All right, Jonathan, thank you.
09:26Chris Swecker is a former assistant FBI director.
09:30Chris, so the deadline's done now.
09:32What's next?
09:33Well, I mean, I go to the most recent Instagram post by Savannah, and I'm reading quite a bit into that.
09:44She is talking to the public now.
09:46She's no longer talking to the potential kidnappers.
09:50And those two are inconsistent with each other.
09:51If she paid a ransom or if they paid a ransom, that would imply they're trying to work with the kidnappers and they're trying to get Nancy returned.
10:01That didn't happen.
10:03I don't think the payment was made.
10:05I don't think there was ever really a kidnapping here at Ransom to begin with because, as you pointed out, there weren't any credible authenticators that were provided.
10:12So now, you know, there are other tracks ongoing.
10:15I mean, we've seen a lot of a flurry of investigative activity around both houses.
10:19We've seen some focus on the sister and that house.
10:25So, and there, you know, there are other tracks going as well.
10:28A lot of digital forensics going on, cell phone analysis, video analysis in the commercial areas where there finally are some video that might be usable.
10:38So there is still a lot going on.
10:39But that, you know, that ransom demand and that particular avenue, I think, was a long shot to begin with.
10:45So you're saying there was no proof of life provided, there was no ransom paid, and now the investigation is starting to direct itself towards the sister's house?
10:57Well, I think that has been ongoing.
11:03I think they've had, they completely have to run that out to its logical conclusion and rule them out or rule them in.
11:10I mean, they're really one of three different scenarios here.
11:12One is there is a kidnapping and a ransom, and the other is there was a home invasion that went bad.
11:18She left the house bleeding in the middle of the night.
11:21And then the third is that someone that stood to gain financially from her demise, from the inside, perpetrated this.
11:32So I don't see a lot of other viable scenarios here.
11:35And I think all three of those, the investigative team, are playing out to the very logical end to it.
11:43You might be right about that.
11:44How long would it take to rule out the family?
11:47Shouldn't that have been done pretty quickly?
11:49You scrub the devices, you run those down, and that's got to be it, right?
11:54Or is there more?
11:56Right.
11:57Yeah, we've seen in the past where when you got into their devices, you saw Internet searches that were very revealing.
12:04There were communications that were revealing.
12:07There were, you know, there was planning, purchases, financial transactions, what have you.
12:13And we've heard nothing.
12:15And I think the sheriff is in sort of a media timeout right now between, you know, last Saturday and today.
12:21And I think rightfully so.
12:22Unless they have something to tell us that has a law enforcement purpose to it, then there's no point coming back to the public and to the media to talk about details.
12:32So I think they're, you know, I think they've finally gotten through to him that, hey, this is not a talk show circuit opportunity here.
12:39This is, it's all business.
12:41This is all about trying to advance a law enforcement purpose here.
12:45I don't want to speculate on the involvement of the family, but, I mean, if you're a family member and you're somehow involved in this, I mean, how can you sit there with your other family members while they're going through something like this and produce videos and eat dinner?
12:58And it just doesn't seem possible to me.
13:00Yeah, I mean, I see the family seems to have come together and they, I don't, I don't think there's any, you know, any split there that, that we know about.
13:11We're on the outside looking in, obviously.
13:13And, you know, there was a, there was talk earlier on another show of a polygraph.
13:17Well, that, that's not a terrible idea and that may have already been done.
13:21So, you know, we're not hearing anything from that investigative team, which is kind of unusual in a case where we have so many investigative agencies, so many different people involved.
13:30But really and truly the leaks have absolutely stopped here.
13:33And that may be the discipline that the FBI brings to this because they know that you don't, you really don't put out details unless you have a good purpose to do it.
13:42And you're under the understanding that the family's cooperating fully with law enforcement, right?
13:48Right, we've, we've not heard otherwise.
13:52I mean, they, they, they're allowed into the house.
13:54I, I hear talk of consent searches, not, they haven't had to go get search warrants from a magistrate.
14:00You don't see them or hear about them lawyering up like, like people have done.
14:04Have we seen in the past in high profile cases?
14:06So I, I don't see any indication that there's, there's no cooperation here.
14:10And if you'd have nothing to hide, why, why wouldn't you cooperate?
14:13I think we would have heard it, heard about it by now if there was, you know, if a stone wall was going up here.
14:19Right.
14:20So you rule out the family and then you move to your other option, a home invasion gone wrong.
14:26And that's probably where you think this is headed?
14:31Well, I, I mean, I, I don't know for sure, but I, my investigative instincts tell me there are a lot of people that have, that have gone to that house over the years
14:41that know that there's an 84 year old woman there of means who lives in a very dark house in a very dark area
14:48and in a neighborhood where the houses are offset about 300 feet from the front of the road and the cameras are obstructed, et cetera.
14:56So, you know, that over the years, I mean, she's 84.
14:59So she, she has to have had delivery people, handyman, pool person, yard person, somebody, you know, come around.
15:05I'm not saying they would have done it, but they would have provided information to others or, or induced or enabled others to do it.
15:13Yeah.
15:13And again, but she left that house bleeding out the front door.
15:17So that's not a good sign.
15:19No.
15:20Terrible sign.
15:20I mean, that means that she, you know, she was roughed up on the way out.
15:23Yep.
15:23She was roughed up.
15:24Or when they first entered the house.
15:25Or resisted or, and not a great sign.
15:28That's absolutely sure.
15:30Excellent analysis.
15:31Thank you so much for always joining Jesse Waters' prime time.
15:36Scott Sweetow is a retired ATF executive and retired deputy director of intelligence.
15:42Is there anything you want to react to from the conversation we just had?
15:46I think Chris had some great points.
15:49And something that I don't think has been covered enough, actually, is this issue of a polygraph.
15:55It is entirely likely that polygraphs have been offered.
15:58And a lot of people might be horrified at that.
16:01Say, how could you possibly ask to do polys on family members?
16:06But sometimes the point of it is just to see what the reaction is.
16:11And as Chris said, there's no indication so far that the family is refusing to cooperate.
16:17But that doesn't mean that they can be eliminated.
16:21And while I think a lot of people would think, well, you could certainly eliminate the family right off the bat, the fact that they keep going back and doing things like taking photographs on the inside of the house, coming back and perhaps trying to image their electronics again, could be just being extra, extra thorough.
16:42Or it could be because there are statements that have been made by some of these family members that don't quite track.
16:49It could be completely innocent.
16:51But obviously, the investigators still have a hunch that something is wrong.
16:56And another thing that Chris pointed out, which I think is particularly interesting, is I am sure that there was some sort of a spotter or a bird dog involved in this.
17:07And by that, I mean, tradespeople that were in that house for any number of reasons would not have necessarily done the crime, but they might have been just running their mouth to people who were serious criminals that were capable of doing kidnappings or home invasions.
17:26And it could be that they were just hoping to get a quick hit and something went terribly wrong and they decide to take her.
17:35And now they're they're kind of stuck trying to figure out what to do.
17:38Yeah, you have pool guys maintenancing the pool probably once or twice a month.
17:44You have people, obviously, landscaping.
17:47God knows what kind of work she's had done to the house.
17:49You know, Amazon deliveries.
17:51I mean, you could just it could be anybody that ever had access to the house.
17:54Going back to what you were saying about ruling people out, it's it's been about a week since she went missing.
18:02Would polygraphs have been done already of the family just to rule them out?
18:07And is that something that defense attorneys would allow a client to just do at this point in the investigation, even if they believe their client had nothing to do with the appearance?
18:18I mean, you know, polygraphs are not foolproof.
18:22Yeah, absolutely not.
18:23They're a tool, like a lot of things that law enforcement does.
18:27I've used them more times than I can count.
18:30And sometimes it was just to get a reaction and see what people would say.
18:35It's certainly not your your first arrow in the quiver.
18:38It's not what you're going to go to right away.
18:40But it's definitely something that I feel would have likely been brought up, especially with the Bureau being involved in this.
18:48They're exceptionally thorough.
18:50And I would be surprised if they weren't offered.
18:53If it was a case that I was involved in, I absolutely would have been discussing how to kind of front this to the family to say, hey, we might want to do polygraphs.
19:04And the family's caught between this terrible anguish and wanting to cooperate and concerns maybe about their their own privacy and what is going on right now.
19:16And certainly, literally, the entire world is looking at them.
19:21So I think even if a lawyer, a family lawyer said, hey, look, I don't necessarily think that's a great idea.
19:27But I think based on what I've seen from the videotapes, there's so much anguish going on.
19:35I I see no reason to think they're not cooperating.
19:38Yeah. And we don't know the inner family dynamic at all.
19:42We could only guess what that's like.
19:44And under these circumstances, it's probably just an absolute mess.
19:49Scott, thank you. Great points.
19:51We really appreciate it.
19:52Thank you, Jesse.
19:53The Bad Bunny Halftime Show.
19:56Right back.
19:57No hablo espanol.
20:05That means I don't speak Spanish.
20:07Same goes for America.
20:08Not that it matters anymore.
20:14You know, the game was bad when you're only talking about halftime.
20:18I watched it.
20:19Some of the beats are good.
20:20Made me move a little bit.
20:22Good energy.
20:23But there's a couple of problemos.
20:26Nobody understood a thing.
20:28We needed subtitles for our own Super Bowl.
20:31And we didn't even get any.
20:33All we got was sign language.
20:35Was the sign language in English or Spanish?
20:37I have no idea.
20:38And I get it.
20:40If you want to fly a Puerto Rican flag, I love Puerto Rico.
20:44But they were marching with flags from every country in South America, speaking a foreign language, coming right at the screen like a caravan.
20:52You want to do this for the World Cup?
20:55Have fun.
20:55Even for the Olympics.
20:56I get it.
20:57But not for the Super Bowl.
20:59No bueno.
21:01The NFL did it for moolah.
21:04Latin America is the fastest growing market.
21:06And thanks to Biden, we have a lot more Spanish eyeballs on the game.
21:10It was a financial calculation.
21:12But Americans don't want an international halftime show.
21:16We want them to pander to us.
21:19We're the ones who've watched every Sunday since we were little.
21:22What about us?
21:24A Latin American halftime show.
21:26Right after a Latin American invasion.
21:29Little two on the nose.
21:31And this guy is saying F-ice.
21:34Lady Gaga does a cameo.
21:36She's saying F-ice.
21:37Green Day opens the game with American Idiot.
21:40You get it?
21:41And they're saying Latin America is America too?
21:45And if you disagree, you're a hater?
21:47I'm not a hater.
21:48I had Emma make me nachos and soft-shell tacos when I watched the game.
21:52There's no hate.
21:54But don't alienate the audience and then call them racist
21:57for not liking an artist who speaks a different language.
22:01This was an open borders halftime show.
22:03I know what you're going to say.
22:04Jesse, Jesse, Jesse.
22:06What's the big deal?
22:07It's just a halftime show.
22:08Who cares?
22:09And I hear that.
22:10But it wasn't just a halftime show for Hispanics.
22:13It was so significant, they were crying.
22:16Oh, man, are you as emotional as I am?
22:20To see your people out there celebrated is getting to me.
22:26Boss.
22:27Some are saying Bad Bunny is the Spanish Ronald Reagan.
22:31Here's Jose Scarborough.
22:33This is about as American of a halftime show as you could have.
22:37Go look at Ronald Reagan's farewell speech to America.
22:41And he says it is immigrants.
22:43It is new arrivals to this country every day.
22:48It's an America that throws open their arms to America.
22:52Kamala and Dougie basked in Bad Bunny, too.
22:55Newsom and his wife, they couldn't get enough.
22:58The governor hosted the game in the sanctuary city of San Francisco.
23:01And halftime sounded like Telemundo.
23:04I saw the halftime show with Shakira and J-Lo.
23:07I was there at the game.
23:08They sang some Spanish lyrics.
23:10The difference?
23:11We know their songs.
23:13It was mostly English.
23:15I didn't feel alienated watching them dance.
23:17Not at all.
23:19Kendrick Lamar could barely understand him, too.
23:22But at least it was English.
23:29But the media is now saying this was the best halftime show in history.
23:34To see the Pava hat.
23:35And, you know, people kept on asking me, like, what is this?
23:38What were you wearing?
23:39At some point, it was sort of, it meant poverty.
23:43But Puerto Ricans reclaimed it.
23:46And instead of it meaning, like, el jibarito, like the farmer, it means your connection to the land, to the island.
23:53And that's why we wear it with such pride.
23:56The reporters didn't even know who Bad Bunny was until he said F ice.
24:00And now they're saying the crowd was electric.
24:04Does this look electric?
24:06That's what you call confusion.
24:09They looked as lost as Joe Biden, who said Bad Bunny should learn English.
24:14The Democratic position also recognized you got 11 million illegal aliens here.
24:18They pay a fine.
24:19They got to learn to speak English.
24:21They got to pass testers.
24:22I like the English part.
24:23Yeah.
24:23I like the English part.
24:24By the way.
24:24If we want the problems of Canada right now, keep encouraging people to keep their foreign language.
24:29English is going to unite this country, potentially.
24:32It always has in the past.
24:33I can't think of a country that has two languages as their accepted languages that is doing all that well.
24:40The Washington Post said the show had wholesome, traditional values.
24:46And that's when you know the media is in on it.
24:48That's when you know there's an agenda.
24:50When they lie straight to your face.
24:52Like, oh, yeah, Joe Biden's healthy.
24:54While you watch him fall down the stairs.
24:56They did a black national anthem, a Spanish halftime act.
25:01What's next?
25:01Flipping a euro at the coin toss.
25:04Now the halftime show says press one for Kid Rock.
25:07Press two for Bad Bunny.
25:09Yeah, Kid Rock.
25:10He was the Turning Point USA headliner.
25:13No subtitles needed.
25:14Six million tuned in.
25:16Who thought you could counter program the Super Bowl with English?
25:21America's turning 250 this year.
25:24We should be celebrating ourselves, not other countries.
25:29Peter Schweitzer is the author of The Invisible Coup.
25:33I mean, I don't want to make a huge deal out of this.
25:36But, I mean, people could feel it in their bones when they watched the halftime show, Peter.
25:41Is this a significant cultural moment?
25:46Yeah, I think it is.
25:47And that's what people in the Latin American left are telling us.
25:50Let's remember Bad Bunny made a guest appearance at the 2020 Super Bowl halftime show.
25:57And there he stirred controversy when he said, viva la raza, long live the race.
26:03And this was a reference to a common idea on the Latin American left called the cosmic race, a book that was written in Mexico almost 100 years ago.
26:13And the book basically talks about how Anglos are selfish, blacks and Asians have their flaws, but Latinos are kind of the superior race.
26:23That was the reference that he was making.
26:26If you look at the halftime show this Sunday, you see that one of the songs he sang was It Happened in Hawaii.
26:33And, Jesse, this is a song about fighting colonialism, but the colonialism are Anglo tourists.
26:41And it's a reference to how the Anglos basically destroyed Hawaii and they're destroying Puerto Rico as well.
26:48So a lot of his lyrics have a deep, bedded, civilizational approach that is antithetical to what the United States is and what it stands for.
27:00And I think we have to understand it as more than just a musician.
27:04This is a clash of civilizations that's occurring.
27:07And, you know, Claudia Scheinbaum, the president of Mexico, praised his performance and said the call was not for unity in the United States.
27:15The call was for unity of all the Americas, that the United States and all of Latin America should unite as one.
27:22That was the message the president of Mexico got from that performance.
27:25Unite as one how?
27:26I mean, we've already had, what, tens of millions pour in unchecked illegally and they're not leaving.
27:34How is that unifying?
27:36Unifying to Hispanics?
27:40Yeah, well, I mean, it's the call for a borderless hemisphere, right?
27:45That you can have the free movement of people.
27:46I will point out, Jesse, it's ironic that in that song, It Happened to Hawaii, he's criticizing Anglos that buy property in Puerto Rico and are taking houses from locals.
27:58So he has a problem with Anglos legally moving to Puerto Rico, but he has no problems with tens of millions of people illegally coming into the United States.
28:07So, you know, it's not about consistency.
28:10It's about a borderless world and allowing for the superiority of La Raza to demonstrate itself.
28:18That's really, I think, what it's about.
28:20And I don't think that's an exaggeration at all.
28:22Yeah.
28:22And I think the flags got to a lot of people, especially the country's feeling a little raw.
28:28We saw after the four years of Biden, when we saw all these people with flags pour in and take jobs and take apartments and take welfare.
28:37And it's like now they're at the Super Bowl and they're coming in with the flags and you can't understand a word they're saying.
28:43You know, we're a very inviting people.
28:46We know we're very open for immigrants.
28:48This is a country of immigrants.
28:50But it becomes where it's like, OK, this looks like something's going on here and everybody can feel it.
28:58But if you say something, Peter, if you say anything, you're a bigot.
29:03And that's kind of how they set it up, right?
29:07Yeah, that's how they frame it.
29:09Look, here's the thing.
29:10I mean, what's significant about the flags is not only this notion of unity, but it goes to the heart of the question of assimilation.
29:18And the fact that he's performing in Spanish, he's not performing in English.
29:22The Latin American left does not want migrants that come to the United States to assimilate.
29:27They don't want them to learn the language.
29:29They don't want them to adopt American values.
29:33They call them traitors.
29:34That's what Scheinbaum top aides call Mexicans that learn the language.
29:40So this is not about loving everybody.
29:43This is about a cultural clash that they hope to win.
29:47All right.
29:48We'll see how it shakes out.
29:49I wonder who they're going to book next halftime.
29:52We'll find out soon.
29:53Peter, good to see you.
29:54Everybody go check out his book.
29:56Breaking news on Nancy Guthrie.
29:59That's next.
30:05Fox News alert.
30:06The second ransom deadline in the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case has officially expired.
30:11Hours after Savannah Guthrie posted a video begging the public for information.
30:15Over the weekend, the family recorded a different video directed at Nancy's alleged kidnapper, agreeing to pay the $6 million ransom.
30:24Authorities have been working around the clock to find Nancy.
30:27Drones, dogs, helicopters swarming the property.
30:31Investigators were poking around the drain pipes behind her house.
30:35And police were seen leaving her daughter Annie's house wearing gloves, carrying brown bags after a very late night search.
30:42Randy Sutton is a retired lieutenant and detective and the founder of The Wounded Blue.
30:48Randy, so they're back, I guess, for the second time at the sister's house.
30:53She's married to Tommaso.
30:55What does that indicate to you?
30:57Well, what it tells me is that they are clearly looking for some type of connection.
31:05Now, it's also my understanding that they utilize the consent search in order to go back into that property.
31:11And I find that rather unusual, too.
31:13Because if they did, in fact, locate anything that might be incriminating, it causes legal issues down the road.
31:22That's why search warrants are the way to go when you're talking about especially an investigation of this magnitude.
31:30So the consent search, should they have found anything incriminating, it could be thrown out in court later on.
31:37So I found that a little bit concerning.
31:40Also, when you look at the timeline here, as the individuals were in the residence, it does not really play well with the ransom idea.
31:53And so I'm thinking that the entire ransom issues here may very well just be a red herring trying to throw off the investigators
32:03and have them look elsewhere as opposed to the normal places where people look, and that is relationships.
32:11Why would you say the timeline leads you to question the whole ransom thing?
32:18Think about it, Jesse.
32:20If you're going to kidnap someone, especially for ransom, you're going to get in and you're going to get out.
32:26And that is not apparently what happened here.
32:28There was time spent in that residence.
32:31And that, to me, spells out that there was something else going on in that residence.
32:38Perhaps they hurt her in some way where they didn't intend to and then tried to deal with it
32:46and eventually made the decision to take her out of the house.
32:51So go back to this search warrant.
32:53So you're saying they didn't go to a judge and get a search warrant.
32:57They got a consent order, which is basically, you know, the daughter and the husband say, yeah, you can come on in.
33:04But you're saying that wouldn't be whatever they found incriminating, wouldn't be admissible?
33:10No, it could be admissible.
33:11But when you're when you're searching a house, that is the domicile.
33:17That is the the highest level of privacy.
33:20And the courts are very, very concerned about the misuse of consent searches.
33:26They very often they they the courts make a decision about consent searches that say, well, they really weren't consensual.
33:34You know, there's a lot of legal issues involved there.
33:38And that's why law enforcement really stays away from consent, especially in a major crime like this.
33:45Hmm. That is interesting.
33:48All right. Well, I think we're going to find out a lot more about these searches in the next 24 to 48 hours.
33:54Randy, thank you so much.
33:57Johnny is on stolen land.
34:00If we give back the land, where are you going to live?
34:04Just go back home to North Carolina, which is like, I don't want to do that.
34:07That's stolen land, too.
34:09Oh, geez.
34:15Billie Eilish said we're all living on stolen land.
34:18Turns out she is, too.
34:19But what about you?
34:21We sent Johnny to find out.
34:26Before we start, let's acknowledge we are on stolen land right now.
34:30We are very sorry to the Lenape people.
34:32Are we?
34:33I'm sorry.
34:34I'm sorry to the Lenape tribe.
34:36Bless our ancestors.
34:38The what?
34:39The Lenape tribe.
34:40But it's buffoonery.
34:41We're on conquering land.
34:42So sorry that my colonizer ancestors stole your land.
34:46This will never be my colonizer's ancestors' land, ever.
34:49Is it your land?
34:51I mean, I live here.
34:52Nobody can take it away from you.
34:55Do you feel guilty?
34:56A little bit right now, yeah.
34:57Reparations are required.
34:59We shouldn't be on stolen lands.
35:01Right?
35:02I'm okay with it.
35:04Okay.
35:05Well, that makes me feel a little bit better.
35:07Should we give the land back?
35:09I mean...
35:10Yeah.
35:13Your apartment?
35:14Let's give it back.
35:15I don't want to be homeless.
35:17We should get everything back.
35:18If we give all this land back, where is everybody going to go?
35:21Um, honestly, figure it out.
35:24I don't think we can give it back.
35:25I feel like we can all share it.
35:27Give it back.
35:28If we give back the land, where are you going to live?
35:31Just go back home to North Carolina?
35:34Which is like, I don't want to do that.
35:35That's stolen land too.
35:37Oh, jeez.
35:37Ladies from North Carolina, we're not happy with that.
35:40Billie Eilish says no one is illegal on stolen land.
35:43Okay.
35:44You know, but she lives in a mansion on stolen land.
35:46Right.
35:47And the people want their land back.
35:48She shouldn't be throwing rocks while living in a glass house.
35:51Billie Eilish is an idiot.
35:53She mumbles into a microphone.
35:54Didn't she steal that girl's boyfriend?
35:56Yeah, it's just really hard to know what to say and what to do right now.
36:00Is stealing ever okay?
36:05You shouldn't take something that's not yours.
36:06If somebody's starving and they need like bread.
36:09So if you're poor, you could steal.
36:11Like, like bread.
36:13If it's from a large corporation, yes.
36:16All right.
36:17Have you ever been robbed?
36:18I once got chased by a vagrant in Soho trying to take my jacket.
36:23I've actually been robbed from someone who gave me a Bible.
36:25All Americans need a Bible in their home and I have many.
36:29Homeless sold our car.
36:30That sucks.
36:31Yeah.
36:31How'd you get around?
36:32We bought motorcycles.
36:33Oh my God.
36:34I went out in Spain.
36:35I got my phone stolen twice and my camera.
36:37What did you do?
36:38Pride outside of the club.
36:39My labubu was stolen.
36:40Who stole a labubu from you?
36:42I don't know.
36:43I'm still to this day, I'm really sad about that.
36:45That's a tragedy.
36:45It really is.
36:46All we have to do is stop the steal and we have it made.
36:49Have you ever stolen anything?
36:51I used to steal makeup from Sephora.
36:53Sephora, will I get in trouble?
36:59Have you ever stolen anyone's girlfriend?
37:01Boyfriend, maybe.
37:03Someone's wife.
37:04I'll never do it again though.
37:06Why?
37:07She was asking for some free money.
37:08That's where you go to the line.
37:13What should the punishment be for people who steal?
37:16They should have to give it back to you.
37:18A ticket and let go.
37:20How should we punish the person who stole your labubu?
37:23They need to rot in hell.
37:24A night for a night.
37:25You know what they do in other countries?
37:26They chop off your hand.
37:27Don't touch me like that ever again.
37:29Is that a threat?
37:30No.
37:31It's a promise.
37:32Oh.
37:33What?
37:34Go ahead.
37:35How would you feel if I told you the president gave millions of dollars of your tax dollars
37:42to Somalis running daycares that had no children in it?
37:47I'm not a big fan of Donald Trump at all.
37:49Oh, this was Joe Biden who did this.
37:51Joe Biden.
37:52Hmm.
37:52Oh, I, well.
37:55Oh, son of a bitch.
37:59What do you want to tell Jesse Waters on Fox News?
38:02I don't want to tell him s***.
38:03Jesse, baby.
38:04Let me steal your heart.
38:05You know who I am?
38:06You're Jesse?
38:08Here's Johnny.
38:09Oh, hey, Johnny.
38:12More prime time straight ahead.
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