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Jesse Watters Primetime February 6, 2026 Full Replay
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00:00Fox News alert. The FBI is conducting a third search at Nancy Guthrie's home.
00:06They've just cleared the streets and have established a wider perimeter.
00:10Investigators were seen on the roof of Nancy's home.
00:13And law enforcement were also tipped off to a vehicle of interest
00:16that was caught on camera outside of the convenience store.
00:21Police are currently on the lookout for this vehicle.
00:24All this just moments after officials say they've received another critical message.
00:29The note was emailed to the same local Tucson station that received the first note.
00:35The Guthrie family had asked for proof of life.
00:38Here's what KOLD anchor Mary Coleman told CNN.
00:43Does it seem that that's what this letter is?
00:45Is it a response to those things, to those those, you know, the pleas of Savannah and her siblings?
00:51And does it include that proof of life or any claim to that?
00:54Um, I can't disclose whether it includes that, but I will go as far as to say that it does seem like it is a response
01:02to some of those videos that were made.
01:05The anchor later explained that the email contains sensitive information
01:10and she's not at liberty to discuss it at the request of the piece, similar to the first note.
01:15Is there, would you say it's the same tone and tenor or is there any shift?
01:23Yeah, I would say it's just as coherent as the first.
01:26That's what, you know, struck us as odd about the first one is that, like you said, it was well thought out,
01:31clear thoughts put together well.
01:33And, uh, I would say that this second one, it has a very, very similar, the way that it was put together was very similar.
01:41Whoever's sending these notes is highly sophisticated and is protecting their identity from the FBI.
01:47This is not the same IP address, but it appears the sender used the same type of secure server to hide their IP address.
01:56So that's all that we know about, uh, the sender at this point, which unfortunately really isn't much.
02:02And, um, this new note does contain something that, that the senders seem to think will prove to investigators
02:08that they're the same people or a person who sent the first note.
02:12It's been six days and Nancy is without her medication.
02:17And when she was abducted, she sustained a bloody injury.
02:21This negotiation, if it even is a negotiation, is becoming desperate.
02:26A final deadline was set for Monday.
02:29TMZ, who received the first alleged ransom note, has been analyzing the contents and believes they have a clue
02:35about the geography of the kidnappers.
02:38Watch.
02:39In the letter, it says they would return her back to Tucson.
02:44So they also give a timeframe of how long it would take after they receive the money to return her to Tucson.
02:51If you look at the timeframe, then you say, well, you can draw a circle around Tucson to see how long maximum it would take to get her back there.
03:02This is Tucson right here.
03:04If you look at this red circle, that is the radius of the maximum amount of time it would take to get her back to Tucson.
03:15If the note's not a hoax, the language would indicate that the entire Southwest, including most of Mexico, is the playing field.
03:24If you live there and see something, say something.
03:28The clock's ticking.
03:30The kidnappers are in total control.
03:32Harvey Levin explains how.
03:33The letter says, you will have no way of contacting me.
03:39This is the only contact.
03:40So that's why they're pleading for proof of life.
03:43That's why they are begging, because they have no idea how to get in touch with this person.
03:48So I don't think they know who sent it.
03:50And the person who sent it says, this could be the only contact.
03:54And you have no way of getting in touch with me.
03:57So they made that clear.
03:58These ransom notes are coming from an untraceable address.
04:02If the second note is indeed legitimate and is in response to the two Guthrie family videos, then communication has been established.
04:11So what's next?
04:13Police are currently going door to door in the Guthrie neighborhood, checking doorbell and security cameras, just hoping for something, anything that'll spark a new lead.
04:23Most cameras aren't flagging because the neighborhood's kind of like a black hole.
04:28And as you might be able to tell, there are almost no streetlights in this entire area.
04:34A lot of communities in Arizona take seriously what's called light pollution.
04:38They don't like to emit a lot of light.
04:40So it does beg the question of what someone can get away with here at night.
04:44And even if you do have a ring camera or some type of security camera, is it going to be able to make out a particular human or car or is it just going to be a shadow or a silhouette?
04:53Even if you have a camera on your front door, it may not see who's passing by.
04:56Nothing.
04:57Our camera would not.
04:59I mean, we live and have a long driveway.
05:01You cannot see anything.
05:02Right.
05:03And that light pollution, I know, whoever the abductor is had to have been familiar with the terrain or case the neighborhood.
05:12TMZ says it has local written all over it.
05:16It is interesting to me that we got this ransom letter, but also the other two media outlets that got the ransom letters were both located in Tucson.
05:29They were television stations in Tucson.
05:30So why would somebody who wrote a letter like this know about the local stations and send to the local stations if they have no connection to Tucson?
05:43It feels like there is a connection to Tucson with the person who wrote this letter.
05:49And they must have known the blind spots at Nancy's house.
05:52We know her doorbell surveillance was disconnected.
05:55Authorities say it was physically removed.
05:58The whereabouts of that camera are still unknown.
06:00But what's even more suspicious is that 20 minutes later, a person was detected by the doorbell software.
06:07So with that 20 minute time gap, the cameras get ripped off the doorbell.
06:11But then there's motion seen on the camera outside, you know, 20 minutes later.
06:16What's that about?
06:17Some people in law enforcement wonder if the person took the doorbell camera off and waited to see if police arrived.
06:23Would that alert anything?
06:24Would that do anything?
06:25And then perhaps thinking the coast was clear, it was back to the house.
06:29We don't know.
06:30We don't know the specifics of what camera detected the motion either.
06:34All this technology and we have nothing yet.
06:37Nothing.
06:38That's why investigators are still pouring through highway surveillance footage to see if they can run plates or spot anything out of the ordinary.
06:45Remember that hours before kidnapping, Nancy was being driven by her son in law.
06:51He dropped her off after dinner.
06:53Were there any cars following them?
06:55Fox got behind the wheel to check the route.
06:57We're going to take you on a drive to her daughter, Annie's home.
07:02So we're coming up on what looks like the first major intersection where you have lights on all four sides on the way to Annie's house.
07:12And so this is an area where we can see cameras.
07:15This was a four and a half mile drive, 10 minutes going the speed limit.
07:20And we can see here at Annie's house, Savannah Guthrie's sister's home.
07:25Detectives are analyzing that first major intersection.
07:29One of Nancy's neighbors reported a suspicious white van parked on the block days before.
07:35Was this a crew staking out the house?
07:38Was Nancy being followed the weekend before?
07:41Or is this just another dead end?
07:43Usually in high profile criminal investigations, the public can be extremely helpful, but they can also slow things down and even whip up fake leads like this fake ransom text.
07:54Demanding Bitcoin from the Guthrie's turned out that some whack job sent it.
08:01Here he is.
08:02The FBI picked him up and arrested him in L.A.
08:05And here's a weird coincidence.
08:08Two teens were arrested in Arizona in a home invasion tied to an alleged 66 million dollar crypto plot on the same day Nancy Guthrie was last seen.
08:20Huh.
08:21There's still a lot we don't know.
08:23And there's been a lot of second guessing.
08:26The local sheriff who's been doing a lot of media rounds may have dropped the ball in the critical hours when Nancy was reported missing.
08:33The sheriff didn't get the surveillance plane in the air on Sunday morning.
08:38It wasn't until the afternoon that we had eyes in the sky.
08:41This vital search and rescue aircraft needed to be in the air during the make or break initial phase.
08:48It's equipped with high resolution thermal imaging cameras that can scan vast swaths of desert terrain.
08:56Because of a staffing issue, according to the Daily Mail, the plane sat on the tarmac.
09:01Since then, we've seen the FBI come in and take a firmer grip on the case.
09:07Cell phone tower data is being exploited.
09:09Intelligence analysts are running down leads and crisis negotiators are consulting with the Guthrie family.
09:15At this stage of the investigation, it's becoming pretty clear the kidnappers aren't a bunch of amateurs.
09:21People have been asking, does it seem like it's written by just a crazy person?
09:29And the answer is no.
09:31This letter was very well constructed.
09:35It had structure.
09:37If you took this letter to an English teacher and said, give me notes on structure, on grammar, you probably would get no notes back.
09:45It's done by somebody, I believe, who is educated and really spent time.
09:52This was not something that took five minutes to write.
09:56Chief National Correspondent Jonathan Hunt is on the ground in Tucson.
10:00And Jonathan, if you can, I probably can't see our screen, but you're seeing aerial shots, what looks like investigators combing through the perimeter of Nancy Guthrie's house.
10:11Yeah, Jesse, they have been there now for several hours.
10:17And I think picking up on one of the points you made, Jesse, what we have seen is very much this is an FBI operation at the house right now.
10:27I believe sheriff's deputies are on the scene, but they appear to be there more to establish a perimeter to keep the media back, to keep any looky-loos back.
10:37It is FBI agents who are on the ground that we have seen going through that property meticulously for several hours now.
10:46And also interesting that they arrived there just hours after that new message apparently regarding Nancy Guthrie came through.
10:56The Pima County Sheriff's Office announced that they were, quote, aware of that message in a post they put out on X and said they were studying it for its authenticity.
11:07Then, shortly after they posted that message, is when we saw those federal agents first show up at Nancy Guthrie's house.
11:16The media that were crowded around the entrance to that house, the driveway, were pushed back immediately.
11:22And as you look at the drone again there, you can see that they are now out as the sun begins to go down with flashlights scouring, it seems to us, every inch of the property in what is a very thorough search.
11:37And again, Jesse, makes you ask, why wasn't this done sooner?
11:42Did the sheriff's department, again, drop the ball on this?
11:45Because the FBI clearly feels it hasn't been gone through the entire area thoroughly enough.
11:51And you can see them on the outskirts of the property there.
11:55We saw, for instance, earlier an elderly couple who appeared to be neighbours of theirs leading agents around.
12:03And if you can just go, if we can show you one particular bit of video, if you can go to that,
12:08we saw agents up on the roof of Nancy Guthrie's house earlier.
12:13You see them there, walking across the roof.
12:15And as you look at that, Jesse, they're walking towards the back door there, the blue back door.
12:21Just to the right of that back door, you see a white floodlight.
12:25A drone zoomed in on that earlier.
12:28That floodlight clearly damaged.
12:30And interesting to remember that the FBI confirmed that in that first ransom note,
12:37one of the things that they were particularly interested in is that the writer of that note mentioned a damaged floodlight.
12:44That appears to be, from what we've seen up close, a damaged floodlight.
12:48Jesse?
12:48Very interesting.
12:49Thank you so much.
12:51Retired NYPD inspector Paul Morrow is also in Tucson.
12:55Paul, so they get this second note and immediately the FBI comes in, takes complete control of the scene
13:03and engages in a pretty wide search of the property, even going to the roof.
13:10What's this about?
13:14Well, I think the FBI just wants to satisfy itself that everything was done, even if it's been represented that way.
13:20That's like very common in law enforcement.
13:22Federal agency comes in, they're told, we did all that already.
13:26They want to do it.
13:27They're also thinking in terms of paperwork and legalities.
13:30If it ever goes to a federal prosecution, if they do recover something, now it's been recovered by the FBI.
13:36That keeps everything in a sort of neater legal lane.
13:39But I got to mention something else, Jesse, because just before we came to air,
13:43I got from Fox Digital and the Fox Flight team that apparently, on that roof,
13:49the agents recovered a new camera, a camera that apparently we hadn't been aware of,
13:55and they hadn't been aware of, and they took it into their custody.
13:58I don't know any more than that as to why it hadn't been recovered, what it might see.
14:02But the only other little bit of analysis I can add is one of the things I hear out here,
14:06which I'd never heard before, is that the people in this area have wildlife cameras.
14:11These are cameras that are specifically designed to pick up animals because of size and movement,
14:17as opposed to human beings.
14:19But nonetheless, they are cameras.
14:21So I don't know if this is not a data point that will go into the hopper,
14:24but that is something that I can confirm I just got.
14:28Well, that's interesting because you'd think that the daughter and the son-in-law
14:34would be aware of the camera system,
14:36whether that was a camera on the roof for the wildlife or that was just an additional security camera.
14:42I would imagine they would have told law enforcement where the cameras are,
14:46or at least maybe the law enforcement during the initial sweep would have seen those cameras.
14:51I'm not really right now having that much confidence in the Pena County Sheriff's Department.
14:56Could be wrong. Hope I am.
14:57But that's the vibe.
14:59I think the country feels that, too.
15:00We're also hearing about a car, a car of interest.
15:06There is some surveillance footage that was taken from a local shop.
15:11Do you know anything about that?
15:14Yeah, apparently it's from a Circle K.
15:16That's a common gas station out here.
15:18And in this area, the gas stations are elaborate.
15:20They're like grocery stores that also sell gas.
15:23And apparently, a lot of them have the exterior cameras, as so many buildings and businesses do around the country these days.
15:31The value there is that they're right on the road because they're gas stations.
15:35And if you remember, Jesse, in the Koberger case, when it became clear what the time of the incident was,
15:42a woman working overnight in a gas station said,
15:44let me satisfy my curiosity, she went to her computer, she pulled up the last couple of weeks, honed in on the date of,
15:52and lo and behold, she sees a white car that matches the description and the time that had been put out by the FBI
15:59and the task force in Utah of the car of interest that had been at the scene.
16:06The bad break there was there was no front plate.
16:08Arizona is also a rear plate-only required state.
16:14So I don't know if that will come into play, but almost certainly they're looking for video.
16:18I know they're looking for video from the gas station.
16:20They're looking for video of the car around the time because they have a good metric of when the abduction likely occurred.
16:27Well, good.
16:28I mean, there's a lot of action between the car, the new search, the new note.
16:32Hopefully, we get a little momentum in our favor here.
16:35Paul, thank you so much.
16:36Great job.
16:38Ray Carr is a former FBI hostage negotiator.
16:41Ray, so you get this second note, and what little the local anchor told us,
16:48it did seem to be in response to the Guthrie videos, the two they put out,
16:53and it seemed to confirm or at least try to confirm that that was the same person that wrote the new note,
17:01and it includes sensitive information.
17:04What do you think that sensitive information could be?
17:07Proof of life?
17:08Well, proof of life would have to be something by either a photograph or something specific to the victim themselves, to Nancy.
17:21I know they talked about an Apple Watch.
17:24They talked about a light.
17:26Are those really specific to her, to her property?
17:29There has to be something that was said to the FBI and to law enforcement that caused them to go back a third time to the residence.
17:38And I know the FBI, if once they take control of something, they're going to go over the scene as though it was the first time that it was being gone over.
17:49That's just the way it happens in the Bureau.
17:50Do you think, and I know I'm kind of zoning in on the proof of life concept, because it's all we have right now.
17:59And that's the only thing keeping hope alive.
18:02Would it be something that maybe Nancy told the kidnappers that this is something in the house,
18:08this is something in the property that maybe the kidnappers were using to prove that she's still alive?
18:16And that's what triggered the search?
18:18I tell you, this, nobody's talked about this, but in kind of taking a look at this,
18:26there was 31 minutes from the time that they took the ring doorbell camera off until the time when she left and her Apple Watch stopped working.
18:39That's a long period of time for someone to abduct someone.
18:44So to me, and I said this early on in reference to the victimology, there has to be a familiarity by the offenders.
18:54And I say there's more than one offender here by the offenders with the property and with Nancy.
19:00Now, it doesn't have to be a direct relationship with somebody that's provided information to individuals that went in and did the things they've done.
19:08Yeah, I mean, that does give the abductors a lot of opportunity inside the residence to understand what's there,
19:18collect details and and maybe use or abuse those details in a in a negotiation.
19:25The I guess this new search of the perimeter.
19:30I mean, this is this is quite a property.
19:32I think what did they say?
19:32It was a was it a mile, three miles.
19:34I forget what it was.
19:36Would this be looking for something in terms of footprints, something that was dropped?
19:45What what what reason would they be looking that far away from the actual house?
19:50You never know.
19:55I've been involved in many cases where individuals conducted surveillance, not only on the streets, but from the woods and from different areas.
20:03So you never know what you're going to find when you start out with these investigations.
20:08They're very, very broad.
20:10And the further you go with these investigations, things have a tendency to narrow themselves down.
20:15And you get to focus on things that are really, really important that you find after you disprove other things that you found are not really associated with the crime itself.
20:25All right. Thank you so much for your expertise.
20:27We really appreciate it.
20:29Bernard Zappor is a former special agent in charge of the ATF.
20:33Bernard, what do you think they're looking for out there?
20:35Is it a possibility that this was a kidnapping crew and one of the people had staked themselves out right there in the woods?
20:43Well, Jesse, any time you have a situation like this where you have an ability for someone to remain undetected for a long period of time, it certainly lends itself to that possibility.
20:54Someone, you know, maybe they're looking for evidence of someone having spent quite a bit of time observing, you know, any type of remote situation like this absolutely lends itself to that possibility.
21:05And the fact that they descended upon this property almost immediately after this second alleged note came in from these supposed abductors.
21:15Do you think this could possibly be a confirmation of a proof of life?
21:23Well, I certainly hope so.
21:25Again, not knowing what's in that note, you know, we've got a lot more resources and candidly, we've got a lot more attention on this case now.
21:32So there's a lot of pressure on the investigative agencies.
21:36Why not send the resources out there to look for, you know, that proverbial needle in the haystack?
21:40You never know when you're going to get lucky and find maybe it's a cigarette butt or a piece of chewing gum that you might get a piece of DNA off of.
21:47Again, you have the resources available.
21:49Why not use them?
21:50Well, they didn't use the plane.
21:51Apparently, they have a very expensive and sophisticated surveillance plane.
21:55It sat on the tarmac in critical hours right after the abduction was reported to law enforcement.
22:02What's the excuse for that?
22:05Well, it really would depend on the use case of that plane.
22:09I suspect they might be talking about there's there's a plane called the Night Stalker.
22:13It's very good.
22:13It's usually used to track moving vehicles, but you have to know what vehicle you're looking for.
22:18Typically, unless they had a license plate or some indicator, you know, just putting the plane up in the air for the sake of it would be a waste of resources.
22:25I would guess they just didn't have anything concrete to go on that would justify scrambling that resource at the time.
22:32And you never know if you scramble it and then you need it.
22:35Now you're halfway out of fuel.
22:36So, you know, you just never know what the what the circumstances are there.
22:39So we got a report about a camera on the roof.
22:43What are we six days in there now taking a camera off the top of a roof?
22:50Yeah, again, that might be something that didn't initially come to light during the investigation, you know, at no stone unturned at this point.
22:58So as things are getting frustrated, you go back, you bring a new set of eyes in, you discuss what have we possibly missed, bring potentially different perspectives in.
23:09Let's try this.
23:10You know, while we're waiting and trying to uncover new facts again, why not use those resources?
23:16All right, Rob, thank you so much.
23:19Hosted, take that with Chris Hansen, Chris Hansen.
23:22What are you hearing about law enforcement on the ground in Tucson?
23:25They are now using, Jesse, a technology called geofencing.
23:30And this allows law enforcement to see exactly which cellular devices, digital assets were paying off nearby towers at any given time.
23:41So if it's a cell phone, if it's a computer, if it's some sort of digital, you know, platform, they can find out.
23:49And once they identify that cell phone by number or the computer or the tablet, they can run that number through one of their investigative tools and find that individual.
24:00Now, some of this work requires warrants and it requires the cooperation of technology companies.
24:05But it's all in process now.
24:07Why do you think it's so labor intensive and so laborious?
24:12I mean, like you're six days in and you're still getting warrants from AT&T or whoever the cellular provider is.
24:19Why isn't this done immediately?
24:21It should be done immediately.
24:22But it's just like when we talk about investigations on social media platforms like Roblox, where there is, for instance, a crime committed.
24:31They don't give that stuff up right away, nor does Google or any of these other, you know, social media companies.
24:39They require a warrant.
24:41Now, you would think that Apple or a company like that would give this up right away in a case like this.
24:45But sometimes it's like you said, laborious.
24:48OK, I mean, even even in an international kidnapping case, if I'm with the FBI coming in, if I'm the CEO, CEO, I give it up right away.
24:57But first they have to see which one's hit.
24:59Then they can narrow the time frame from the time that the camera goes dead to the time that her heart device disconnects from the from the watch.
25:09They can look in that time frame and say, OK, these are the cells that were used.
25:13These are the tablets used.
25:14These are the computers used.
25:16And these are the people who own them.
25:18They can go track those people down.
25:19You've covered a lot of criminal cases.
25:22Have you ever seen such a bizarre case?
25:25Never.
25:25This and I've covered, as you mentioned, kidnappings and all kinds of crimes that occur online.
25:32It's really a mystery.
25:35Who decides they're going to kidnap the mother of a well-known and beloved morning show anchor and thinks they can get away with it?
25:42Now, they're looking at all kinds of other things, too, Jesse, including technology in the cars, both the car of Nancy Guthrie, the cars of her relatives whom she was with earlier in the evening.
25:53They're not casting any suspicion on them, but they need to confirm the whereabouts because it could come up at a trial of a kidnapper sometime.
26:01Did you look here?
26:01Did you look there?
26:02They have to say, yes, we checked everything out.
26:04Right.
26:05And we did the drive, Fox, from the daughter to the mother's house, 10 minutes.
26:12The first shot of it, those roads didn't even look paved.
26:15It didn't really get into what you look to be civilization.
26:19And even then, you know, it's just one stoplight across and then just desolate desert on either side.
26:26How much of a challenge is this?
26:27It just looks dark in the middle of the night if this is the it's very challenging because if you don't have that camera and I'm shocked that the roof wasn't searched.
26:36Right. Right.
26:37Because what if the guy grabbed the camera and he did onto the roof?
26:41Well, you've just missed that lead for six days.
26:44So whatever they found on the roof, and apparently, according to Paul Moore's reporting, and he's always right, there was some sort of a device up there that could tell the tale.
26:52Hopefully it does.
26:53But all of this seems to be coming together rather slowly.
26:57Yeah. And if it was one of the cameras like they had on the ring doorbell camera, it wasn't recording.
27:02Right.
27:02So that's another issue. All right. Great work. Thank you so much, Chris.
27:05Appreciate it.
27:06More on Nancy Guthrie. Plus, Mike Tyson joins primetime.
27:16Fox News Alert. You're looking live at Nancy Guthrie through an infrared drone operated by our Fox flight team as police continue searching the property.
27:25Retired NYPD inspector Paul Morrow is also in Tucson.
27:30I mean, this is pretty incredible footage we're looking at right here.
27:33It looks like a team of agents are coming in and out of the house, in and out of the garage, Paul.
27:39You talked about a camera that was discovered on the roof.
27:43Do you think that was part of the just regular surveillance or was that wildlife?
27:51You know, I wish I knew.
27:53I haven't even seen an image of it yet because of where I'm positioned here at the sheriff's office.
27:58It would make sense to have a wildlife camera, perhaps, on the roof.
28:03But who knows?
28:05Maybe there's a skylight or something that people feared they could get in through in the past that was covered over.
28:10I mean, anything really here is possible here without being up on a roof and seeing it.
28:14But I do say to myself, you know, would you not have searched the roof and even at the other house originally just because, you know,
28:23the buildings here are all one story and they're quite low.
28:27And, you know, I would have to say to myself, if I was going to do a really thorough search,
28:31what if they just threw like a knife or something up onto the roof during the course of the thing?
28:36So I am surprised that something like this hadn't been found earlier.
28:40But maybe it's not going to be much help because, as we know,
28:43that all the other cameras were all wired in a way that they didn't feed the cloud.
28:49And as a result, there's no footage to be found.
28:52All right. So the second note that comes in, it's a second IP address.
28:56So it's different. The police aren't able to exploit it.
29:00This guy is obviously very sophisticated.
29:02But the fact that a second note may have been sent, I mean,
29:06that has to give so much hope to the Guthries who are sitting here dealing with what they thought was just a blank stare
29:14and basically a clock ticking down to death on Monday.
29:20How much momentum does this give this investigation and negotiation?
29:25Well, if it does indeed open up a line of communication, that is a major break.
29:34Because up until now, if the ransom, the ransomers here, they've been so indifferent
29:40that it made you question the entire construction of what's going on here.
29:45Is it not an actual ransom situation? Are they not interested in getting paid?
29:49Is there some other motive? Is another group involved?
29:53I've had ransomware cases where the original bad guys are being assisted by another set of bad guys.
30:00You never know who you're negotiating with.
30:01So if they've actually been able to confirm that they're talking to the real bad guys,
30:06that is the major break in this thing.
30:09Now, one of the ways to be able to tell how much authenticity to give this for the two notes
30:16is if the IP address you can easily obfuscate.
30:19They did it once. They could do it again.
30:20You use the Onion router. You bounce it around the world.
30:23That's the most simple way to do it, and it's easily done.
30:25It's very hard to break.
30:26But the thing I would be looking for to prove it's the same person is that they put in the Bitcoin wallet.
30:34Assuming they want to get paid so badly, and that's what they're pressing for,
30:38if they put that long string of numerals into the second note, which is so unique.
30:44No, it's not out. Nobody could ever guess it.
30:46You'd immediately say to yourself, this is the same person.
30:50And then you'd have to start to say to yourself, this is a pretty sophisticated operation,
30:54and maybe these notes are the real deal.
30:56Yeah. It's a break. Hopefully it's a good one. Thank you so much.
31:01Fox & Friends Weekend co-host Griff Jenkins and Fox News medical contributor Dr. Nicole Sapphire.
31:06So, Griff, there was, what is it, 40, 20 minutes when we believe these abductors were inside the house
31:15before she left or the motion sensors detected someone leaving.
31:21What could have possibly been going on for that long?
31:24That's a great question. Excuse me, because, you know, at 1.47 a.m., the door camera gets knocked off or taken down.
31:33But then it's 2.28 that she leaves, presumably, the house, because that's when the pacemaker loses contact with the Apple Watch.
31:40And that's 41 minutes. Abductors don't take 41 minutes.
31:44It suggests to you, Jesse, that they were familiar with who they were kidnapping.
31:50Maybe they needed to grab some medicine. Maybe they needed to do something.
31:53But they spent 40 minutes, roughly, inside that house with her, which it doesn't feel like a random thing and suggested maybe they knew him.
32:01I will say this, though, also, because Paul was just talking about it may be a break and that the kidnappers are trying to get paid.
32:08Let's break this down. They have two jobs. Take the person, abduct them, and then get paid.
32:14They did a good job right out of the gate because nobody was on the trail.
32:17Every hour after an abduction matters on whether they get caught. They are gone.
32:22And obviously, here we are six days later. But they didn't do the other part, which is to get paid.
32:26And so the second ransom note suggests that they are feeling that they're not going to get paid.
32:33Because they listened to the videos, and the videos from the family clearly said,
32:38we're not going to just wire money to a random Bitcoin account unless we have proof of life.
32:43And then we can talk.
32:45Nicole, how important is it to move this as quickly as possible?
32:49She's 84. We don't know what kind of medication she needs and what kind of condition she's in because of the blood splatter.
32:57Yeah, I mean, there is no lower act than preying on the medically vulnerable.
33:01And what we know about Nancy Guthrie right now is she's an 84-year-old woman, lives alone in her home in Tucson, Arizona.
33:07She is mentally sharp, but she is physically frail.
33:11We know she has longstanding cardiac issues requiring a pacemaker.
33:14But what I've also makes me a little bit more concerned about is the fact that we've heard her family say that she requires daily medications
33:21to not only stop suffering from chronic pain, but to stay alive.
33:25Most commonly, when you have an older woman with a pacemaker, you have hypertension medications, you have antiarrhythmics,
33:31you can have blood clotting medication to keep her blood thin.
33:34And so did she did they take the time to take her medications, as Griff alluded?
33:39Possibly, except it did seem that the family and the sheriff's office are concerned that she doesn't have her medications.
33:45So it doesn't seem like she may have had them.
33:47I hope that she does.
33:48But as you're alluding to right now, now we have these external stressors.
33:51We already have the fact that she may not have her medications, which could result in a medical emergency,
33:57like a heart attack, a seizure, a stroke, or anything of that sort.
34:01But now you have these external stressors, dehydration, a rise in like cortisol, norepinephrine, epinephrine,
34:07all of those stress hormones that can also raise the blood pressure, cause stroke, cause seizures, cause heart attacks, and other things.
34:14Elderly women alone, no medical background, just being dehydrated, they can wind up in the emergency room.
34:20So time is of the essence.
34:22Yeah, and I wonder if she is still alive, and hopefully she is still alive,
34:25whether the kidnappers showed Nancy the video from Savannah.
34:31Because at one point, Savannah was talking directly to her mom and trying to, you know, keep her spirits up.
34:36Guys, we'll be with you in a second.
34:37One sec.
34:39Bernard Zippor is a former special agent in charge of the ATF.
34:43Bernard, you know, they went dark immediately, and a lot of people lost hope.
34:49The second level of communication, and the fact that there's sensitive information, quote-unquote, in the second note,
34:57and is responding to Savannah Guthrie and her brother's two videos.
35:02What does that tell you?
35:05There's two things right now that stand out to me.
35:07One being that when you see this, you know, these multiple responses to the site itself, the location, and these searches that are taking place,
35:15that is all being inspired because of new information.
35:18And sometimes that's not just as obvious, but they're looking at things in a new way,
35:23and very specifically trying to search for something that was triggered.
35:26It could have been triggered with this latest information.
35:29It could have been the digital data that is coming back that is telling them something, but it's very purposeful,
35:36and they are looking for very specific things that are probably going to be, you know, critically important for next steps.
35:43The other thing that I would offer is that, you know, investigators themselves have to remind that sometimes they're overthinking the motive and intent
35:52and the way that an operation took place when it could be, like, not smart people that are just greedy and evil that are doing something.
36:00So you have to make sure that they have somebody that's thinking at a dumbed-down level almost,
36:04so they don't put themselves in a way where they're pursuing things that are not, that may not appear frivolous at the time,
36:11but be consuming important investigative time, and in this case, for somebody that's vulnerable and needs to be rescued and recovered.
36:19Yeah, you've got to cover all your bases, but we did hear from Harvey Levin,
36:22and it was confirmed by the local reporter, that the structure and the sentences and the grammar were from someone who was well-educated,
36:30and there wasn't anything to indicate that this person was sloppy, poor, or, you know, had rushed into this
36:40that seemed very formulaic and well-thought-out.
36:43That's probably pretty scary, because now you know you're dealing with someone who's intelligent
36:47and has taken steps to cover their bases.
36:50How concerned is the FBI here?
36:55There's obviously things that have triggered these new physical searches and other information.
37:00In terms of the structure of the written communication, I don't put direct faith in that necessarily,
37:06because, you know, AI can help us with poor communication very quickly,
37:11and it can be modified numerous times.
37:13And again, somebody could be smart enough to try to alter their lexicon and how they communicate by using that.
37:20So all those things have to be considered, but definitively, they have triggered something here
37:26that they are searching for specifically that's physical in nature that's going to give them a missing piece
37:31that they feel like they're pretty hot on at the moment.
37:33Yeah, we don't know whether that's from the car or from the note or for anything.
37:37We're just not sure.
37:38Very interesting perspective.
37:40Thank you so much.
37:42Griff, did you want to add something?
37:43I just want to add that, you know, if we go back to when I interviewed yesterday Mary Coleman of KOLD
37:48that got the first note and now the second one, I asked her, when did you get this first note?
37:52She said Monday morning.
37:54Now, that would have been, Jesse, well before this was widely publicized.
37:58And the fact that the alleged kidnappers had all these details, specific things in it,
38:04that led to the validity of the note well before it was public is an interesting fact
38:09because now you're seeing the movement.
38:11And we're showing the video of the authorities searching the house.
38:15Something was in the second note that not only, I think, led them to believe there's validity in the first note,
38:21but also something that could break the case.
38:24I've covered a lot of crime scenes.
38:25When you see this kind of move in six days later and they pull the media out,
38:29you know they're on to something.
38:31And I think it's tied to whatever that new information was in the second.
38:34And if you're sending these notes to the locals, I'm wondering if they're staying local
38:38so they can watch the local news break in real time.
38:42What does that tell you about the terrain quickly that she, if she is in the area, that's kind of rough.
38:49Yeah, I'm born and raised in Arizona.
38:50Absolutely.
38:51You know, we know that she had some blood droplets on her front porch as she left there.
38:55Elderly tend to be on baby aspirin, blood thinner.
38:58So it's possible that this isn't a catastrophic assault event that resulted in the blood,
39:03but potentially a nosebleed or bumped, you know, bumped her arm on the way out.
39:07And so she may have dripped some blood, but she's out in the desert.
39:10Dehydration.
39:11I mean, unfortunately, it's of concern.
39:13And we just can't wait for her return.
39:14Thank you guys so much.
39:16Our exclusive interview with Mike Tyson next.
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