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00:00And breaking tonight, Fox News can now confirm that one person has been detained in the search
00:07for Nancy Guthrie. Sources making it very clear at this time, in fact, they are going out of their
00:12way at this time to make sure that this is not being called an arrest, that this person is not
00:18being called a person of interest, that this person is not to be called a suspect, at least
00:23for now. But the way this day has evolved, this is a massive, massive story. This, after the FBI
00:32recovered new video from the morning of her disappearance, showing a masked individual
00:37tampering with her doorbell, and a lot more than that. That footage, by the way, leading to a flood
00:44of new tips, the FBI telling us that in the time that they released this on social media, across
00:51networks around the country, that their number of tips went up dramatically. And you can only
00:58think that some of those tips, at least one of those tips, may have led to some big things
01:04because the FBI, the Pima County Sheriff's Office, police agencies around Tucson, Arizona, were
01:10extraordinarily busy today. Let's begin our breaking news coverage with the chief correspondent,
01:15Jonathan Hunt. He's live outside the Pima County Sheriff's Office. Jonathan, it's been a big
01:21day. It really has, Trace. And it was very clear to us, as soon as that video was released by the
01:29FBI today, that this investigation was gathering momentum very quickly. And then just about 20 minutes
01:36ago, we broke into Hannity with that news. Three sources confirming to Fox that they have detained a
01:44person in connection with the Nancy Guthrie case. And that was just hours after these images were
01:51released by the FBI, showing somebody approaching Nancy Guthrie's door, as you can plainly see,
01:59covered head to toe, ski mask, gloves, etc. approaching that door, doing something with the
02:05doorbell camera. This all happening, according to the FBI, in the early hours of Sunday, February the
02:11first, which is, of course, when Nancy Guthrie went missing. And then hours after those pictures
02:18were released, we were here at the Pima County Sheriff's Office, Trace, and we started to see
02:24intense activity, the like of which we have not seen in the eight days now that we have been here.
02:30First of all, we saw officers loading up a SWAT truck with shields, etc. One of those SWAT trucks pulled
02:39out, followed by another one. Then the bomb squad truck started moving. The mobile command center
02:45moved out. We weren't clear where they were headed. We believe they headed south. The SWAT trucks,
02:54by the way, have not yet returned. The bomb squad truck has returned just about an hour ago. It is
03:00parked alongside me here now at the Pima County Sheriff's Office. But those SWAT trucks are still
03:07out. Whether they were involved in detaining this person who has been detained now in connection
03:14with the Nancy Guthrie case, we are not clear. But so obviously, they were rolled out in the hours
03:22after that. Those video images were released from the door trace. This has been a day of major
03:28developments, and this seems the biggest one yet. One person detained in connection with the Nancy Guthrie
03:37case, Trace. It is a huge development. As you say, Jonathan, I'm just wondering, we've been talking
03:43all day and kind of back and forth. Your team at the Sheriff's Office, we're out here at Nancy Guthrie's
03:49home. I'm wondering, Jonathan, if you know when those SWAT vehicles that you pointed out a few seconds
03:56ago left, do you know if one of those was involved in the detention of this of this person at all?
04:06We don't. The timing plays out, though, Trace. Those vehicles left here, I want to say it was around
04:163 p.m. local time. That's 5 p.m. Eastern. And then, as far as we were aware, they were traveling
04:24south. Now, I do not have that 100% confirmed. We believe that to be the case. And we believe that
04:33the person detained in connection with the Nancy Guthrie case was detained south of Tucson. We're
04:41still working on all of those kind of details, of course. This is a very fluid situation. But I
04:48think it is reasonable to assume that they were at the very least rolled out, those SWAT vehicles,
04:54first time that they've moved in the eight days we've been here, because they were honing in
04:59on somebody who is now detained, Trace.
05:04The chief correspondent, Jonathan Hunt, live for us at the Sheriff's Station. Jonathan, of course,
05:08we'll get back to you as the news warrants. We should also point out, as we have kind of
05:13talked about this, and we say that this person being detained, it also comes with the caveat
05:19that there is no sign still of Nancy Guthrie. So they wanted that to be very clear as well,
05:25that they do have a person that has been detained. But so far, there is no link that they can make.
05:32There is no sign that they can make so far of Nancy Guthrie. We, of course, will keep you posted
05:37as information on that comes in. Meantime, let's bring in our panel, retired Border Patrol
05:42Chief Chris Clem, Fox News contributor and former NYPD Inspector Paul Morrow, criminal defense
05:48attorney and former prosecutor Josh Ritter, and award-winning tech journalist Kurt Knutson,
05:54also known as the Cyber Guy. Thank you all for coming on the show. I want to go to the bottom
06:00of me, the box, to Paul Morrow and Josh Ritter, one, two, very quickly, because I think it's
06:05interesting, Paul Morrow, when you hear that somebody has been detained, but they're very
06:10careful not to say that this person has been arrested, not to say this person is a suspect
06:15or a person of interest. What does that tell you about what they're doing, but yet they still
06:22made it very clear that they had somebody who was detained.
06:28So let's not read too, too much trace into the word detained. There's detained and then
06:33there's detained, right? There really isn't much of a continuum between being somebody that
06:38can just walk around and somebody who can't leave the presence of the police. In this case,
06:43it looks like, from what I'm hearing from digital, it's likely the FBI, about the middle ground
06:49of the police.
07:19Yeah, you're not going anywhere until we sort this out, but you can't hold that person indefinitely.
07:24It may be something like that.
07:26My point is this.
07:27If the word detained was used, you're pretty far along the line.
07:32That, to me, it suggests that the person is not sticking around voluntarily.
07:39This is not a consensual situation.
07:41So let's see if I'm reading too much into that word.
07:45It might just be the way it came down.
07:46But if, in fact, they had to detain this person, then you've got to say to yourself, what do they got?
07:53Yeah, I mean, it really is.
07:54It's a good analysis there, Paul.
07:56But I'm wondering, Josh Ritter, to you, do you take a different meaning from that?
08:00Because, you know, when you say detained, you think they're holding him.
08:03We know they're holding him.
08:04He's not.
08:05He can just walk out the door.
08:06But what are the legal ramifications here of not going to the next step, not calling him a person of interest, not calling him a suspect?
08:16Yeah, to dovetail off of what Paul said, detained means not free to go, which also means you need to have probable cause to hold that person.
08:24So they have some information that is enough to just not consensually contact and question that person, but hold that person against their own will to question them first.
08:46I think what's happening here is they're being careful because they've got a person of interest, if you want to call it that, a detained person.
09:04And someone who has information, whether or not that person's connected to the crime is unclear at this point, or that person could be connected to the person that they believe is connected to the crime, that they want to question that person.
09:16They have valuable information.
09:17They're just not letting us know that they have enough at this point to make an arrest.
09:23But I'll say this, after the time that we've gone through, the amount of days that have passed where there has been almost zero movement, and it was becoming a very dire situation where we were beginning to feel there were no breaks in this case.
09:35To have as much movement as we have had today with the release of that surveillance video from the Department of Justice, and then follow that within hours of the SWAT team moving out here, and now we're hearing that someone has been detained.
09:47I'd say it's all a lot of movement and very encouraging.
09:50And Paul Morrow, very quickly back to you, it's interesting that we were also kind of, we were told, listen, we should also make it very clear that there is no connection, maybe connection is a bad word, that there is no sign of Nancy Guthrie being found.
10:08And I'm wondering if the early going of this person who was detained, if the early going, if the questioning goes down that path, or do they take a, do they take a lighter touch?
10:19Are they looking for other things initially to kind of put them in the right ballpark and then go deeper with questioning about Nancy Guthrie?
10:30Well, we know that there's a lot of activity still going on in and around the home of Nancy Guthrie, that they have a lot of teams out there that are still searching around.
10:38So they certainly don't feel like they've gotten to the bottom of this entire thing.
10:42If they do believe that this is somebody who has some information as to her whereabouts, sure, they're going to press hard to the 84-year-old woman, and they're going to make it very clear.
10:51What we should recognize, however, is that this is the kind of thing, especially if he's on his own here, if it wasn't about money, it's going to be the kind of thing that he just really made total life and did not want to give it up.
11:03We saw a lot of the emergency vehicles come back here.
11:06That argues that maybe they're not at this point looking to boom a door someplace or something like that.
11:11So I would argue that right now this thing is very much in flux.
11:15But as these things very often happen, it's going to happen in the wee hours overnight.
11:19So we could get a lot of movement tonight.
11:22So the movement tonight, Josh Ritter, I'm wondering what you think.
11:26I mean, what's the timing here?
11:27How long can you keep this person before you have to charge him?
11:30How long can they question him before he lawyers up and takes the fifth?
11:34What is the timing here?
11:36Is it important to get on this fast if you're looking for somebody who is off her medication for all intents and purposes and timing is still of the essence?
11:46Does the pressure ratchet up a little bit in your estimation?
11:51No, you're absolutely right.
11:52There is a sense of urgency because of her medical condition.
11:55I'm sure they're pressing upon him to try to get as much information as they can, quickly as they can.
11:59But you make an excellent point.
12:01That person could lawyer up, and they could lawyer up immediately.
12:04And that would shut down even any questioning, detained, not detained, arrested or not arrested.
12:08That would shut down any questioning.
12:10So hopefully, perhaps this idea of keeping that person detained and not making an arrest is making it easier for them to get that back and forth of communication open,
12:21and those lines of communication open, and get some valuable information out of this person.
12:25Because like I said, this is the best that they've had in over a week now.
12:29We're going into day 10.
12:32Yeah, it really is.
12:34Josh, Paul, stand by very quickly if you would.
12:36I want to bring in Chris Clem, and people will ask, why is the Border Patrol chief involved in this?
12:40Well, what people don't realize, Chris Clem, is that the Border Patrol was very heavily involved in this search and has been from day one.
12:48Yeah, that's correct.
12:49I mean, Trace, when we first heard about this, within I think the first 24 to 36 hours, Border Patrol search and rescue, our track and trailing dogs, we're here on scene.
12:59You know, Border Patrol agents, traditionally, we are sign cutters.
13:02We're looking for evidence and tracks.
13:04So if the subject, if Nancy, if any of them would have left this area on foot in the desert, you know, the tracks would have been there.
13:14The evidence would have been there.
13:16And Border Patrol, I have confidence, they would have tracked them out until it was resolved.
13:20Now, whether it was resolved within a vehicle, another house, or something else, but the tracks and evidence were very important,
13:26and they're perishable within those first couple hours and days.
13:29We have great track and trailing detection dogs.
13:32We would have used it.
13:33So if she was here or that suspect was here, I think they would have found evidence.
13:37And, again, what it shows is cooperation at the highest levels early on in this.
13:42And, again, it also shows that every case is complex.
13:45There is no routine case, and it only gets harder and harder as we move along.
13:50It's interesting because you were talking about when you first arrived and I said they have somebody in detention, and you said, wow, I just left.
13:59It happens so fast.
14:29I mean, this day was just a monumental day of things that were moving in the right places here.
14:36What did you think about somebody?
14:38Are you surprised that they have somebody detained at this hour?
14:42Not surprised.
14:43Here's why.
14:43We finally had the information revealed so we could actually see the suspect on the camera, right?
14:50Very telling.
14:50But, look, somebody being detained, that's just information.
14:54Right now we look at information collection.
14:56Hopefully we get information into actionable intelligence to where we can actually go get this suspect or find out if this person of interest, this person detained, is somebody we really need to be concerned with.
15:06I'm excited in a very dark circumstance that we've got some movement on this, but it wasn't surprising to me giving the information that went out today finally with the evidence from the camera.
15:19There are a lot of people excited.
15:20You can imagine the Guthrie family, how excited they are because, you know, at the very least, you now have promise.
15:26You now have promise.
15:27And this thing, as fast as today went, this thing could, you know, this thing could repair itself in the next few hours, and I think that's the key part about this.
15:38What's talked about a lot in these kinds of situations is the timing here, and I want to bring in Kirk Knudson on this because I'm going to play a soundbite.
15:47This is Harvey Levin of TMZ, and he was talking about the Bitcoin wallet, right?
15:52Remember that one of the ransom letters, the first ransom letter that was sent to TMZ, it was also sent to a couple of the affiliates here in the Tucson area.
16:01But the ransom letter had the Bitcoin purse, for lack of a better term, had the Bitcoin purse.
16:09They wanted the $6 million sent to this.
16:12So at CNN was on, Harvey Levin was on CNN, and he was asked about the Bitcoin, and he said there was some activity.
16:20He said the following.
16:23So about 12 minutes ago, we saw activity in that account.
16:33Activity like what?
16:37That's what I can't talk about.
16:39There are reasons I can't, but all I can say is there is now activity in that Bitcoin account.
16:47Okay. Now, let me just ask one more question, and you'll share with me what you can.
16:52But when you say activity, is that that you can see money is going into the account, or are you able to tell whether it's money going in or going out?
17:00Well, it would only show, as I understand this, money going in.
17:05And the only thing you would see is money.
17:08And, Aaron, that's all I can say.
17:09So there you have it.
17:14I mean, Kurt, you've got money going in to this.
17:16And I'm wondering about the timing here, because we first ran that soundbite during Sean Hannity's hour.
17:22And it was talking about, you know, the purse and, you know, making sure that we were right about who was actually in this purse.
17:30And I'm wondering if you can give us any guidance, because it wasn't long after that conversation between Harvey Levin and the word got out from a local affiliate here that it was actually $300 in that Bitcoin purse.
17:46Is there a connection?
17:48Does the FBI, was that something they picked up on that might have led them to this person who is now detained, Kurt?
17:54Hey, Trace, yeah, we can evolve this story again.
17:59We're talking about what could just be a warm-up to the wallet of Bitcoin.
18:03And that's when you really just put in a small amount from the exchange to find out, okay, is this active?
18:10Is it working?
18:10Okay, yeah, our deposit's received.
18:12It could be a precursor to a larger amount.
18:14It could also be as simple as somebody also just screwing with us.
18:17And the fact that Bitcoin is so public and these accounts are so public that it's more or less anybody can access them and establish money into a wallet.
18:28So with regard to that, what we're going to look for is a much more sizable amount.
18:33But this activity or this warm-up means something.
18:36And you keep your eye on this because there is a process to Bitcoin that we have our eye on, that investigators have their eyes on, that you want to be aware of.
18:47Yeah, I mean, that's what everybody is kind of looking at here, Kurt, you're right.
18:53I mean, we talked earlier today because I was fascinated by the video, right?
18:58The video is what opened the door for all of this.
19:01And just to kind of take our viewers through this, we remember yesterday afternoon, we were kind of getting ready to do our show.
19:07We were putting our rundown together, and I was wondering, okay, so what do you think?
19:12What is the real big news today in the Nancy Guthrie disappearance?
19:19And then seconds later, you had Savannah Guthrie come out, and she was asking people for public help.
19:25She wanted the public's help.
19:26It was the first time.
19:27She had been talking pretty much directly to those people who sent the ransom notes earlier, and now she was asking the public's help, and it was kind of baffling.
19:36Like, why is she looking for the public's help?
19:38And then today, the video was released, and the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff started asking for the public's help, and the public helped.
19:48They did their job, and I was asking you, why did it take 10 days, 9 days plus, Kurt, to get this video from whatever cloud it was in to actually to the point where we saw it today viewed?
20:04And the answer was fascinating.
20:05What was the answer?
20:08Well, the question on everybody's mind is about that.
20:10So you and I might have a camera that records video, and it saves it on a card or up on the cloud, as we've talked about.
20:16But in this particular case, we know that this was a Nest video doorbell camera, and oftentimes, in many cases, local information is stored on devices that we own that we don't even know about.
20:29We may, for example, have an app tied to our doorbell that we say, tell us when someone's there or when there's motion.
20:36Well, that doesn't mean the device itself isn't recording a whole lot more of that.
20:41So what investigators have been able to do is follow the trail on this.
20:45And the way that looks is, Trace, they're going to first, it's going to be the FBI.
20:50The FBI is going to search, get a warrant.
20:52They're going to go, in this case, to Google because Google is the one that acquired Nest.
20:57So this camera, they think, might have something on it, and they were right.
21:01So what happens is these teams get together.
21:04Once they're past that legal hurdle, there's some time we just lost.
21:08And now they're working together, and I don't mean they're just trying to download something from it.
21:13It's about recreating data.
21:15It's about trying to decipher zeros and ones, and it takes a mountain of time and a lot of very skillful work to bring that together.
21:24So, for example, in this case, there is a possibility, and I've further investigated since you and I talked earlier today.
21:31Now, some Nest cameras, when they are disabled, will hold on to about the last hour of video that was on it.
21:40Now, so that means that if this suspect was actually successful at disabling that camera, and I don't have the answer to that,
21:50but if he was successful at disabling that camera, then he just created some incriminating evidence against this crime
22:00because that means that may have said, okay, this is the last hour of recording,
22:07and then when police and other investigators got their hands on that one, including the sheriff,
22:13they were able to then activate it back to a cloud account
22:17because we've heard that the doorbell was not on a cloud subscription, right?
22:22So what some Nest cameras will do when you establish it back to the subscription
22:28is it will give you that last hour of video that it saw,
22:32and whether that's what investigators have on this tonight that we're seeing
22:37or if it's this pieced together incredible forensic work,
22:42it's one or the other, and it's extraordinary that we have it,
22:46and this is going to lead us somewhere.
22:49It is a huge piece of the puzzle.
22:51I wanted to bring in this work because FBI John Nance was talking about what it was like to work with Google.
22:59It's call for number six. Greg, play this.
23:03Thank God for the Trump administration and Kash Patel's reprioritization
23:10and revamping of the FBI's priorities.
23:15We're seeing tremendous work being done by the FBI,
23:18and this is a case in point.
23:19Going to Google and actually reconstructing this video footage
23:23is a tremendous, tremendous bit of forensic work.
23:28And I'm wondering, Kurt, if you believe, as many others do,
23:35might there be more video that is available
23:39that could paint a better picture for us of what happened on the porch that night?
23:45So I don't know if there's more length of video,
23:48but what I can tell you is AI now plays an enormous role for investigators.
23:52So what we're seeing now may be a low-resolution idea of what they're releasing.
24:01What they're able to do with AI over time is enhance this video,
24:05and I don't mean add anything to it,
24:07but simply make it better and better and better
24:10to where that focus on the eyes,
24:13that focus on the detail of the fabric,
24:15that focus on the brand of backpack
24:18becomes crystal clear.
24:21And we're starting to be able to see some things
24:23that AI is unleashing that we would have never as humans.
24:27I don't care how smart we are.
24:29I don't care how many of us are working on it.
24:32AI can do so much more
24:33with regard to making images incredibly crystal clear.
24:38Yeah, I want to play a little flashback,
24:41and I'm going to kind of get your take on this
24:43because we were told, remember,
24:44that it was when that camera at 12 minutes
24:47after 2 o'clock in the morning on February 1st,
24:50it caught a glimpse of something.
24:51We were first told it might have been an animal,
24:53and it was kind of walked back.
24:55But we had the sheriff, Sheriff Nanos,
24:57here in Pima County.
24:59He was talking about, this is on last Thursday,
25:03he was talking about that they actually ran out of technology
25:07to recover video.
25:09Here's what he said.
25:112.12 a.m. software detects a person on a camera,
25:17but there's no video available.
25:19They had no subscription.
25:21That's what our analysis teams have told us.
25:24The tech company that we sent that camera off to,
25:28yes, they've said they've run out of ways
25:31to recover any video.
25:35Well, the FBI found some ways.
25:37I mean, Kurt, the FBI found some good ways
25:40to work with Google, and here we are.
25:43When you have the FBI on your side
25:45and they have this kind of energy going into the focus
25:49of resolving this case, this is what works,
25:52and they have incredible tools
25:55that can make this come together
25:57unlike other things we've seen before, period.
26:01Yeah, Kurt, stand by if you would.
26:04I'm going to go back to Paul Morrow, Josh Ritter,
26:07the team at the Sheriff's Station, for us.
26:09A little bit of breaking news for you, Paul Morrow, here.
26:12Our understanding is that this person who has been detained
26:16was actually apprehended, stopped during a traffic stop.
26:21Does that surprise you at all?
26:25No.
26:26What it does suggest is that they had him ID'd, obviously,
26:29beforehand because they knew to look for his car.
26:31Maybe they were telling him to see where he was going.
26:33They might have acquired him significantly earlier
26:35than we all know in hopes that he would lead them to Nancy.
26:39So I'm not surprised at all.
26:41We've all said from the beginning
26:43that vehicle stuff was going to play
26:45a very, very big part in this,
26:47and we don't know how this went,
26:48but they might have had an identity.
26:50They might have put it into the LPRs,
26:52the license plate readers.
26:53He tripped one of those.
26:54They scrambled out there to grab him,
26:55and they pulled him over during the traffic stop,
26:58and that's the kind of thing you're going to go hard.
27:01You're going to make sure that a person,
27:02if you think it is somebody who had something to do
27:04with something as awful as this,
27:06you're going to go in with the troops
27:08to make sure you take this person
27:10who can lead you potentially to Nancy Guthrie,
27:13and you want to get them talking to you.
27:15So, no, I'm not surprised at all.
27:19Yeah, I mean, it was interesting to me,
27:21and it was kind of surprising to me
27:22because we have been reporting all evening long.
27:24We talked about how, you know,
27:26the sheriff's office was working with local police
27:28to put together a SWAT team.
27:30They sent two SWAT team units out south of Tucson.
27:34We heard about a bomb squad
27:35with a command vehicle being sent south of Tucson.
27:39We heard about, you know,
27:40the FBI's hostage negotiation team
27:43being brought in to the Tucson area,
27:46so it was our understanding
27:47that they might have had some key tip,
27:50but this thing was going to be a mission, Paul Morrow.
27:55When I heard traffic stop,
27:56I thought, I guess they must have found some car some way.
28:01I'm just not sure what way.
28:05Right, so look, they had an ID on one of two things,
28:08either the car or the person driving the car,
28:10and generally, if you get the car,
28:12you're going to get the person
28:13that the car comes back to or a series of people.
28:16So you could postulate that they had a location,
28:19they went out, they hit it,
28:20the person was no longer there.
28:22That means they had an ID, as I said.
28:24They went out looking for him,
28:25and he tripped an LPR,
28:27and they scrambled after him,
28:29and as I said, it doesn't surprise me.
28:30It also doesn't surprise me
28:32that they had all these assets in the field
28:33because if they had that kind of a lead,
28:36they know they're dealing with a very, very bad guy here,
28:39and they don't want to go in in any way, shape, or form
28:43other than with total force superiority
28:46to take him so that he has no questions in his mind
28:50about fighting it out
28:51because you need him to talk to you
28:53because the bigger equity here, obviously,
28:55is Nancy Guthrie.
28:57Yeah, which is my next question to Josh Ritter,
29:01which is, you know, this is a person that you send out.
29:04I mean, you send out all these assets,
29:06and you send out the SWAT teams,
29:07and you also need this person
29:10to be able to communicate with you
29:11because you are still missing a woman,
29:13and even after you pull somebody over
29:15and you think they are the right person, Josh,
29:17you still need cooperation
29:19if you are to bring this mom home.
29:24Absolutely. You're hoping for that.
29:25So, yes, you're going to have to be
29:27a little bit of a soft touch
29:29in the way that you approach this person.
29:30You don't want them, like you had mentioned earlier,
29:32immediately to lawyer up
29:33or to not share any kind of information.
29:36Another thing to think about with all of this, too,
29:38is when this video came out,
29:40and we're starting to see the images of this suspect,
29:42this is not only the first time the public is seeing it,
29:45it's also the first time law enforcement is seeing it,
29:47local law enforcement.
29:48Local law enforcement is very familiar
29:50with the ongoing criminal activity in their area.
29:54Knowing what this person has done,
29:57seeing their activity in this video,
29:59likely a person that has come into contact
30:01with police before.
30:02It could have been local law officers
30:04took a look at that and said,
30:05I know who that is,
30:07or that looks like a lot like a person
30:09I've dealt with before.
30:10Be on the lookout for this individual,
30:13and then you get a traffic stop
30:14that leads to this apprehension.
30:16Yeah, it's interesting that Josh just used the word suspect
30:21when he's talking about the person
30:23who was caught on the video
30:24in front of the doorstep of Nancy Guthrie,
30:28Paul Morrow,
30:29because it wasn't for most of the day today,
30:32even with the video,
30:33even with the mask,
30:34even with the backpack and the gun,
30:36the police were very reticent
30:37to call this person anything more
30:40than a subject, not a suspect.
30:42What do you think about that?
30:48Paul.
30:49Me?
30:49Oh, I'm sorry.
30:50Yeah, I think they're just being super careful.
30:52I'm sorry, Trace.
30:53They're just being super careful here.
30:55You know, they want to make sure
30:57that they don't over-promise and under-deliver.
30:59It also tells me they're not entirely sure
31:01what they have here.
31:03You know, they know he goes to it.
31:05I would be interested in the following.
31:06What was he doing at the time?
31:08Was he fleeing?
31:09Was he going to a location
31:11that they can't ascertain?
31:13I suspect that if they really thought
31:15this was the guy,
31:16they would give him a little bit of leeway
31:18to see if he could lead them
31:19to Nancy Guthrie.
31:21So I would have that question,
31:23but in terms of saying
31:24he's being detained right now,
31:25I think they don't want to get out
31:27over their skis.
31:27They want to see what he can tell them
31:30because they really want to find out,
31:31as I said, where Nancy is.
31:33The key thing right now
31:34is if this is something,
31:35whether it's the main guy or not,
31:37you want to see if this person
31:38is going to give you
31:39that key piece of information
31:40about where Nancy Guthrie might be.
31:43And so as a result,
31:44they don't want to say,
31:45okay, this is the person
31:46that changes the entire dynamic.
31:48And you know what they also know
31:49is that there's a lot of media out there
31:51who are trying to find
31:52where all this is happening.
31:53And so they probably want
31:54to tempt things down a little bit
31:55and go cautiously.
31:58Yeah.
31:58And that was my next question, Josh.
32:00I mean, that's the whole thing
32:01is if you, we don't know.
32:03We have no idea
32:04if they knew about this person
32:05they were going to detain
32:06or at least follow early this morning.
32:09Is it one of those cases
32:11where you want to watch?
32:12You want to sit back?
32:13You've got a lot of assets
32:15in this region.
32:16You're going out,
32:17you're scanning.
32:17I mean, we saw the FBI agents
32:20were at Annie Guthrie's neighborhood
32:23and they were out there
32:24for the better part
32:25of the day and evening.
32:26They might still be out there, Josh.
32:28They were going to door to door
32:30and they were talking with people
32:32about their security cameras
32:33and they were talking with people
32:35about the pictures
32:36and had they seen this
32:37and going through some of the plants
32:39and the bushes
32:39looking for what?
32:40We have no idea.
32:42But you wonder
32:43if they kind of had an idea
32:45and would that be the process
32:47to be able to sit tight
32:49to see if maybe this person
32:51will lead you down the road
32:53to Nancy Guthrie?
32:55Absolutely.
32:56It's not going to do you much good
32:58to apprehend the person
32:59if you don't have the location
33:00of where that person's returning to,
33:02where perhaps Nancy Guthrie's going to be.
33:04So you're absolutely right.
33:05This person could have been
33:06under surveillance
33:07by officers all day long today.
33:09If they had information early on,
33:11it's not smart to just go out
33:13and grab that person
33:14if you don't have that person
33:15at where they're living,
33:17storage location,
33:19off-site location
33:20where they might be hiding out,
33:21where she could possibly be.
33:23It's a really good point.
33:25Yeah, a really good point.
33:27And standby very good.
33:28We got more breaking news coming in.
33:29I want to bring Chris Clem in on this
33:31because the New York Times
33:32is now reporting
33:33that this person who was detained
33:35was detained in Rio Rico, Arizona.
33:39It's about an hour south of Tucson.
33:41And remember, Tucson is only 65 miles
33:43from the border.
33:44So this, Rio Rico,
33:46is very near the border, Chris Clem,
33:48which is where you come back in.
33:50The Border Patrol comes back in.
33:52And that's the whole thing
33:53is maybe this person decided
33:54with the video out there
33:56it was time to make a run for it.
33:57Absolutely.
33:58I mean, this is exactly
33:59what we're talking about
34:00with the cooperation,
34:01information sharing.
34:02It changes the dynamic.
34:04It changes the pace,
34:04the speed,
34:05and what needs to happen.
34:06Rio Rico is a subdivision,
34:07an area between here and Nogales.
34:10But yeah, depending on the circumstances,
34:12this would have been an opportunity
34:13to make a break south
34:14to get into Mexico
34:15and buy him some more time.
34:17That's the other thing.
34:18This video information is exciting,
34:20but it also, I believe,
34:21is going to shorten that timeline
34:22because now everybody has eyes on,
34:25including the suspect.
34:26But it becomes a chase
34:27at that point in time.
34:28I mean, we know
34:28we saw the SWAT teams
34:29come out of there
34:30and we're assuming
34:31that somebody from the FBI
34:33and or Pima County
34:34actually went down
34:36to Rio Rico and caught them.
34:38And I'm wondering to you,
34:39would they,
34:40if they felt they were behind the gun,
34:41if they felt that this person
34:42was close,
34:43would they have contacted
34:44your agency and said,
34:45we need help.
34:46We think this car
34:47might be coming your way.
34:49I truly think
34:50this is a whole
34:50of government approach now,
34:51starting from the FBI.
34:53We know the president
34:53has spoken about
34:54to give all the resources necessary.
34:57We would definitely
34:58be contacting
34:59Customs and Border Protection
35:00to make sure
35:00the ports are aware
35:01and the checkpoints
35:02that come north
35:03out of Rio Rico
35:04in that area
35:05and put border patrolants
35:06on alert
35:06in case they come across
35:07somebody doing
35:08some suspicious things
35:09away from common areas
35:10out in the desert.
35:11But definitely
35:12our southbound operations
35:13going back into Mexico
35:14in case this person
35:15tried to flee the country.
35:16And if this person
35:16does flee the country,
35:17let's say that he made
35:19the extra eight miles
35:20or nine miles
35:21before they pulled him over,
35:22do we get to go in after him?
35:24What are the laws on that?
35:26Or do we have to contact
35:28the Mexican government
35:29and say we need help?
35:30We'll be working
35:31with our partners in Mexico.
35:32We've been letting them know.
35:33And politics aside,
35:35when it comes down
35:36to life-saving efforts
35:37and law enforcement,
35:38we're going to have
35:38that relationship.
35:39There's going to be
35:39phone calls made.
35:41And plus,
35:41we've got FBI
35:42and international liaisons
35:43embedded all across
35:45the country of Mexico.
35:45They'll work with us on this
35:46if this was the case.
35:47We're not going to chase them
35:48into Mexico
35:49as that becomes a problem.
35:50Paul Morrow,
35:50Josh Ritter,
35:51back to you.
35:51Paul Morrow,
35:52your thoughts
35:52on Rio Rico, Arizona,
35:55which is very close
35:56to the Mexican border.
35:58And, you know,
35:59Tucson is only 65 miles.
36:01It sounds to me,
36:02we don't know,
36:03but it sounds to me
36:04like they were aware,
36:06somebody was aware
36:06that somebody
36:07was trying to make a run
36:08and they decided
36:10it was better
36:10to apprehend him
36:11as quickly as possible.
36:13And it sounds like
36:14it was right near the edge.
36:17Yeah, it does give
36:20that atmospheric,
36:21doesn't it,
36:22that he was trying
36:22to get to the border.
36:23Now, that doesn't mean
36:23he's Mexican.
36:24It could be an American
36:25who's just trying
36:26to get over the border
36:26to flee,
36:27knows a checkpoint
36:28where he can get through
36:29very easily, etc.
36:31It is troubling,
36:32though,
36:32because if he has
36:33familiarity with the border,
36:34it goes to the difficulty
36:35of trying to get Nancy back.
36:37I always felt like
36:38that would have been
36:39a big risk
36:40to take Nancy
36:41over the border.
36:42It's just an added risk
36:43that you wouldn't
36:44want to take.
36:45But it does argue
36:46that, look,
36:47they were going to maybe
36:47give him a little bit of time.
36:49You can do things
36:50with a car relative
36:51to following it
36:52and tracking it
36:53that you might have
36:54been comfortable
36:55with leaving him
36:56out there for a while
36:56to see if he leads
36:57you to Nancy.
36:59But once he's getting
37:00near the border,
37:00as it sounds like he was,
37:02you've got to say,
37:03we cannot take a risk
37:04in losing him.
37:05It's very common
37:06in law enforcement
37:06where you have this continuum
37:07where you say,
37:09do we leave them out there
37:10or do we do this now
37:11because we don't
37:12want to lose him.
37:13If we lose him,
37:13there's no getting him back.
37:15Sounds to me
37:16like it's entirely possible
37:17they were playing
37:18that kind of game,
37:19saw him heading south fast
37:21and said,
37:21you know what,
37:21enough's enough.
37:22He's got to go
37:23and we'll take him now.
37:25Yeah, and Josh Ritter
37:26to you because, yeah,
37:27maybe there is a chance
37:28you're going to get him back
37:29and likely the Mexican government
37:31would work with
37:32the U.S. authorities
37:33to get him back.
37:34The question becomes
37:35it's more time.
37:36It's just costing you
37:37more time
37:38and you've got to go
37:39through the process
37:40and you've got to bring him back
37:41and that's more time
37:42that you don't know
37:43where Nancy Guthrie is
37:45if this person in fact
37:46knows where Nancy Guthrie is.
37:50Yeah, you're absolutely right.
37:52You don't have that kind
37:53of luxury here in this case.
37:54You're not dealing
37:55with this typical case
37:56where you're just simply
37:57trying to apprehend
37:58a criminal.
37:59You're also trying
38:00to save a life potentially
38:02and with each day
38:02that goes by
38:03knowing her medical condition,
38:04knowing how she's being held,
38:07what conditions
38:08those are under
38:09you're very concerned
38:10with acting
38:11with absolute alacrity
38:12in all of this.
38:14You know, a point too
38:15I think that we shouldn't
38:16miss on this
38:17is they could have had
38:19this suspect
38:20person of interest,
38:21whoever it is,
38:23in mind
38:24before they released
38:25this recent video.
38:27And once that video
38:28is released,
38:29that person
38:29monitoring
38:30the media themselves
38:33gets in a car
38:34and starts to move
38:35towards the border.
38:36Maybe that's why
38:37we've seen this action
38:38taken today
38:39is that that
38:40essentially smoked
38:41that person out.
38:44Yeah, it's a very good point.
38:46I want to bring in
38:46former police officer
38:47Randy Sutton
38:48who joins us now.
38:49Randy, I mean,
38:50you hear Josh Ritter
38:50there saying,
38:51hey, listen,
38:52maybe they knew
38:53who this person was.
38:55Again, we are,
38:56this person is being detained
38:58and they have been
38:59outspoken to say
39:00not arrested,
39:01detained,
39:02not a suspect,
39:04not a person of interest,
39:05just somebody
39:06who is being detained
39:07and clearly questioned
39:08Randy Sutton,
39:09but, you know,
39:10when, when you,
39:12when you know
39:13this video is coming out,
39:16it might be,
39:18it might be
39:18the smoke them out category.
39:19What do you think?
39:22Yeah, absolutely right.
39:23And we know
39:24with the attention
39:25that this has been
39:26getting in the media,
39:27you know that this individual
39:28was watching the media
39:29very, very closely.
39:31Now, when it comes down
39:32to the detention,
39:34you know,
39:34there's a,
39:34there's a legal time period
39:37with which you can
39:38detain someone
39:38before actually
39:40placing them under arrest.
39:41So we're going to be
39:42watching this very,
39:43very closely
39:43to see how long
39:46they detain this individual
39:47while they are
39:48questioning them.
39:48And the fact of the matter
39:50is that if they don't,
39:52if they don't have
39:53enough probable cause
39:54to make the arrest,
39:56then they're going to
39:56have to release them.
39:57So my guess is
39:59that they wouldn't have
40:00made this,
40:01this vehicle stop
40:02and this detention
40:03unless they had
40:04enough to go on
40:05where they weren't going
40:07to be a release
40:08in the sky anytime soon.
40:10Yeah, when you talk
40:11about enough to go on,
40:13it's a good time
40:13for us to bring in
40:14the director of the FBI,
40:16Kash Patel,
40:17who was on Sean Hannity's
40:18show tonight.
40:19And he was talking about
40:20the fact that they had
40:22made substantial progress
40:25on persons of interest.
40:27Here's what he said.
40:29I will say we have
40:30made substantial progress
40:32in these last 36,
40:3348 hours
40:33thanks to the technical
40:34capabilities of the FBI
40:35and our partnerships.
40:36And I do believe
40:37we are looking at people
40:39who, as we say,
40:40are persons of interest.
40:42But as you know,
40:42with any investigation,
40:44you are a person of interest
40:45until you're either eliminated
40:46or you're actually found
40:47to be the culprit
40:48or the culprits involved.
40:49And that's the stage
40:50we're at right now.
40:52Yeah, I'd like to kind of
40:53go around with the legal panel
40:55if I can just start with you,
40:56Randy Sutton here.
40:57It's interesting to me,
40:58but it really does appear
40:59as if Josh and Paul
41:01might be onto something here.
41:02Maybe they kind of had an idea
41:04of who this person was.
41:05They had the video,
41:07we think,
41:07for the better part of the day,
41:08maybe a little longer
41:10than a day.
41:10So you have this video,
41:12you get a little bit of,
41:14you know,
41:14you get a little bit
41:15of kind of juice going
41:16to see if you can
41:17make something happen.
41:18And that's kind of
41:19what's looking like
41:21happened here
41:22over the past 48 hours, Randy.
41:24Well, here's the other
41:27aspects of this.
41:28We do surmise
41:30that they have
41:31additional video as well.
41:32And we don't know
41:33what kind of leads
41:34were established from that,
41:36you know, hence
41:36what we've been seeing
41:37at the daughter's house.
41:41We don't know
41:42what the leads are
41:43that they're following,
41:43but clearly the intensity
41:44of this investigation
41:46has ramped up
41:48to a boiling point.
41:49And with the apprehension
41:51of this individual,
41:52I think we're going to,
41:53we're going to see
41:54the closure of this
41:55very, very soon.
41:56And of course,
41:57all of us pray
41:58that when this,
42:00when this closure happens,
42:01that it ends with
42:02the recovery
42:03of a live Mrs. Guthrie.
42:08We all hope,
42:09we all hope.
42:10But I want to play this.
42:11You talk about,
42:11you know,
42:12prescient
42:13and you had Chris Wecker,
42:15former assistant FBI director.
42:17He was talking tonight
42:19and he said
42:20that he expected
42:21a solution in the next,
42:23we don't have that,
42:24but he will,
42:25I will say this,
42:26Chris Clem,
42:26he said that there
42:28will be a solution,
42:29I think,
42:29within the next 24 hours.
42:31He said this three hours ago.
42:34Yeah, you know,
42:35I think it all comes down
42:36to what we've all
42:36been talking about
42:37over the last few moments.
42:38This new video evidence.
42:40Did the FBI,
42:41did Pima County
42:42have this information
42:43and were they on to something
42:45before they released it?
42:46Because what has happened
42:47is the investigation
42:47kind of got stymied,
42:48kind of got cold
42:49a little bit, right?
42:50So how do we,
42:51maybe the suspect
42:51or suspects got comfortable,
42:53so let's flush them out.
42:54So when you make them move,
42:56they become vulnerable
42:56and hence we've got
42:57somebody detained.
42:58Let's hope that leads
42:59to an arrest
42:59and leads to,
43:00you know,
43:00resolution sooner.
43:01I don't disagree
43:02with that statement
43:03that we're going to have
43:04something big
43:05probably in the next day
43:06based on how things
43:07are moving so quickly
43:08right now.
43:08Yeah, big.
43:09How big?
43:10I mean,
43:11it's interesting.
43:12How big,
43:12Josh Ritter,
43:13do you think
43:14when you talk about big,
43:15are you thinking
43:16that we are close
43:17to a solution here
43:19as the former
43:20assistant FBI director
43:21was talking about
43:22or are we a little further?
43:24Do we still need
43:25to kind of cross
43:26a few hurdles?
43:27I'm really hopeful
43:31that we're very close
43:32and I base that
43:33on a couple of things.
43:34One,
43:34the release of that video,
43:36it was so important
43:37because, you know,
43:38when we first heard
43:39that there was surveillance
43:40and that they possibly
43:41had something,
43:42I think a lot of us imagined
43:43is that grainy video,
43:45is it from a distance?
43:46When we saw
43:47that it was actually video
43:48taken from the front door
43:49of Nancy Guthrie's home
43:50and how clear that was,
43:52immediately I thought to myself,
43:54this is the break
43:54that everybody's been waiting for.
43:56And then I've been sitting
43:57outside of the Pima County
44:00Sheriff's Department.
44:01We talked a little bit
44:02about this earlier
44:03for several days now
44:04and to see the amount
44:05of activity
44:06with those trucks,
44:07four out of their five
44:08tactical units
44:09took off today.
44:11I just don't think
44:11you start moving
44:12that kind of hardware
44:13unless you feel like
44:14something important
44:14is coming.
44:15That's the impression
44:16I'm getting.
44:17I'm just trying
44:17to read the tea leaves.
44:19Yeah.
44:20Do you read the same
44:21tea leaves, Paul Morrow?
44:22I'm just wondering
44:23because it really did.
44:24It seems like to all
44:26of us as we're covering
44:26this and we're getting
44:27new information.
44:28I mean, I was literally
44:29out here and I'm doing some,
44:31I'm talking with Jesse Waters
44:32and Sean Hannity
44:33and people are saying,
44:34here, here's some information.
44:35It was coming in so fast, Paul,
44:38that the tea leaves
44:39were not easy to read,
44:43but they were sure
44:44coming fast and furious.
44:48Yeah, I mean,
44:49you're absolutely right.
44:50In fact, investigations
44:51have a certain tempo
44:53and you actually get
44:55this kind of a thing
44:56where, you know,
44:56you have a whole lot
44:57of hurry up and wait
44:58and then it all happens
45:00at once.
45:00And this one does feel
45:02like you're hitting
45:02that operational acceleration
45:04that very often happens
45:05in the end game.
45:06We have a series of events.
45:08It may get no more dramatic
45:09than what we've got now
45:11and hopefully a recovery
45:12of Nancy.
45:13There may be nobody
45:13else involved,
45:14but we could get
45:15a series of dominoes
45:16falling here.
45:17But I just think that,
45:19you know,
45:19once the Bureau
45:19got a hold of that video
45:21and, you know,
45:22it does so many things
45:23aside from letting us see him,
45:25you got something
45:25of his gait.
45:26People who know him
45:28can kind of say,
45:28you know,
45:28that looks like so-and-so.
45:30Somebody might have
45:30called in a tip.
45:31We don't know.
45:32But what it also did,
45:33think about it,
45:33is if that is,
45:34in fact,
45:35his initial approach
45:36to the house,
45:37which it appears to be,
45:39it gives you
45:39an absolute timestamp.
45:41This is when he showed up.
45:43And there's all kinds
45:44of highways around here.
45:45We've heard that,
45:45you know,
45:46they have the lights
45:47on them,
45:48but they're hard
45:48to see at night
45:49and all of that.
45:50But middle of night,
45:51also,
45:51there's a lot fewer cars.
45:53And this is not
45:54like New York City.
45:55It's not a 24-hour place.
45:56So it narrows down
45:58what you have to look at
45:59and it gives you
45:59a very, very tight timeline.
46:01These cars these days,
46:02they're rolling computers.
46:04There's all kinds
46:04of things that you can do
46:05relative to them,
46:07where they hit the internet,
46:08do they hit
46:08the OnStar system,
46:10do other cars pick them up
46:11with their video,
46:13because a lot of cars
46:14have dashcams now.
46:15All of that stuff
46:16came into play.
46:17And when you have
46:17the capabilities
46:18of the FBI
46:19completely unleashed
46:20because the president said,
46:21throw everything at it,
46:22and never mind,
46:23you have the deputies here
46:24who are going door to door
46:25looking for somebody
46:26to say,
46:27I kind of recognize this guy.
46:28That's a lot
46:29of operational muscle.
46:30And I do feel like
46:31that momentum
46:33that we have now here
46:34puts us certainly,
46:36if not in the end game,
46:37we're getting there.
46:38I talked to a number
46:40of investigators today
46:41to kind of expand
46:42on Paul Morrow's point there,
46:44but the whole time
46:45you've been talking,
46:45Paul, and Josh,
46:46you as well,
46:47we have been kind of
46:47showing the video, right?
46:49That's the video
46:49in his left hand
46:50where he went down
46:51and he grabbed some brush.
46:53And I guess the idea
46:54was to try and block
46:55the Nest camera using that.
46:58But what's fascinating
46:59about this
47:00is that the police officers
47:01I talked to were saying,
47:02this is filled
47:03with information.
47:05It is filled.
47:05They figured out
47:07within seconds
47:08how tall this person was
47:09within an inch
47:10because they went to the,
47:11the house is right
47:12across the street.
47:13They went to the house,
47:14they measured the bricks
47:14and they counted
47:16the number of bricks
47:17and he was standing next to
47:18so they had his height.
47:19And then you look
47:20at the different,
47:20the gait that he had,
47:22the way that he bends,
47:23the eyes, the teeth.
47:24And there was something extra
47:26because Morgan Wright,
47:27who's a cybersecurity expert,
47:29I can bring Kurt Knudsen
47:30back in this,
47:32was talking about
47:32how the gloves
47:33that we have seen him
47:34push up to the camera
47:35so many times
47:36how the gloves
47:37might be able
47:39to track him down.
47:40Watch.
47:45It's call four nine, Greg.
47:46Nowadays,
47:47everybody watches CSI
47:48or they watch TV,
47:49they'll watch Fox
47:49and they see,
47:50okay, what can you do
47:51with DNA?
47:51What can you do
47:52with, you know,
47:52fingerprints?
47:53So they'll get these,
47:54you know,
47:55black gloves
47:55or these other gloves
47:56to protect their fingerprints.
47:59But that's also something
48:00you can find out
48:00how did they order it
48:01on Amazon?
48:02Did you get it
48:02from a local store?
48:05I go back to the,
48:07I go back to the shooting,
48:08Kurt,
48:09at Brown University
48:10where within a couple of days
48:13they had a wealth
48:14of information
48:15about the person
48:16who they believed
48:16was the shooter,
48:17where his car was located.
48:19Kind of the same thing here,
48:20where he was buying
48:20certain stuff.
48:22Same thing here, right?
48:23Those gloves look to me,
48:24I've never seen those
48:25in my life,
48:26they look to me
48:27to be fairly unique.
48:29And it's a good bet
48:31that as soon as
48:31the FBI saw those gloves,
48:33they were making calls
48:35and knew
48:35where those gloves came from.
48:37Maybe who bought those gloves.
48:38What do you think?
48:40I mean,
48:41like facial recognition,
48:42you can do that
48:42with products.
48:43You can find out
48:44exactly what they are
48:45and then you find out
48:46what the sources are
48:47and that just keeps
48:48narrowing it down
48:49and narrowing it down
48:50and then you take
48:51the whole ensemble.
48:52So where'd the backpack
48:53come from?
48:54What's it look like?
48:55What year was it made?
48:57Who's the brand behind it?
48:58Which model was it?
48:59Did they discontinue it
49:00three years ago
49:01or is it just created
49:02in the last eight months?
49:04All that data
49:05is going to come together
49:06be poured into investigations
49:08with the assistance of AI
49:10and the amount of data
49:12you're going to pull out
49:13of that is extraordinary.
49:14We're talking about the gate.
49:15We're not just talking
49:16about how he walks.
49:18Analysis with AI
49:20can tell you all kinds of things.
49:22Bây giờ thì anh quả đầu đi,
49:23anh quả phủ đi sao?
49:24Xuống anh đối anh quả phủ đi.
49:26Hào cái né quả đầu đi.
49:27Nói quả phủ nào.
49:29Bởi bạn nhìn thấy quả phủ rồi đấy.
49:31Rồi.
49:32Nói thêm kẻ này xin cho bọn tôi.
49:3420 dân rồi.
49:36Dân kinh đời luôn đấy.
49:38Rồi.
49:39Dân kinh đời luôn đấy.
49:41Rồi.
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