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00:00Fox News alert. The final deadline for the Nancy Guthrie ransom just passed.
00:05The alleged kidnappers demanding six million dollars by seven Eastern.
00:10Just moments ago, Savannah Guthrie released this.
00:14We believe our mom is still out there.
00:18We need your help.
00:22Law enforcement is working tirelessly around the clock trying to bring her home, trying to find her.
00:30She was taken and we don't know where.
00:33And we need your help.
00:38So I'm coming on just to ask you, not just for your prayers, but no matter where you are, even
00:44if you're far from Tucson, if you see anything, you hear anything, if there's anything at all that seems strange
00:52to you, that you report to law enforcement,
00:59we are at an hour of desperation and we need your help.
01:04This is the first time Savannah has spoken directly to the public.
01:08Previous videos were mainly aimed at the kidnappers.
01:11Many feared Nancy was no longer alive and that negotiations had taken a dark turn after Savannah put this video
01:19out on Saturday.
01:20We received your message and we understand.
01:25We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her.
01:31This is the only way we will have peace.
01:35This is very valuable to us and we will pay.
01:39This suggested to some that the Guthries were willing to pay for the return of their mother's body.
01:45But then, late Saturday night, unmarked police vehicles returned once again to Annie Guthrie's house.
01:52That's the sister and her husband, Tommaso.
01:54Law enforcement stayed for more than two hours.
01:58Cameras flashed inside the house and reporters heard loud clanking noises as several items were carried out and loaded into
02:05police vehicles.
02:06At one point, an agent was seen carrying a silver briefcase, possibly a Celebrite device typically used to analyze iPhones
02:15and computers.
02:16This would be the second time investigators brought the device to Annie Guthrie's house.
02:21Later, a deputy was seen loading a white case, along with a brown bag, into a police vehicle.
02:28Does this suggest authorities are scrutinizing the family?
02:32Does this mean they don't believe their side of the story?
02:35We have no idea.
02:37It could very well be routine.
02:39But with no suspects and the sheriff not ruling anybody out, it does raise a lot of questions.
02:461030 at night seems very late to be conducting sudden searches of the sister's house.
02:50They must have gotten new information, or perhaps there was something so urgent they couldn't wait for the morning.
02:57We assume the Guthrie family is cooperating with authorities.
03:00We have no reason to believe they aren't.
03:03The next day, Sunday, investigators searched a septic tank behind Nancy's home, looking for possible evidence that may have been
03:11flushed.
03:12Fox News examined the area surrounding the property.
03:16Watch.
03:16I wanted to give you a different point of view.
03:19So you've got Nancy's house.
03:21It's in the middle, and the lots are large enough for privacy.
03:25We walk to the front of the properties, and on one side, mailbox to mailbox, it's about 300 feet.
03:31On the other side, it's a little closer.
03:33But with both the homes that flank her house, there are lines of vegetation.
03:38There's space and cactus.
03:39And from what we could gather, it appears the neighbors to the back may have the best vantage point to
03:46her home.
03:47Authorities haven't even determined whether the ransom notes are legitimate.
03:51As far as we know, they could be real or they could be hoaxes.
03:55And so far, whoever's sending these messages hasn't provided proof of life.
04:00Authorities have said there's been no video or no pictures proving Nancy's still alive in anyone's captivity.
04:08Although these messages could contain written details that only Nancy and the family would know, that prove someone has her.
04:15Also new tonight, the FBI is saying it's not aware of any continued communication between the Guthrie family and suspected
04:23kidnappers.
04:24Nor have we identified a suspect or person of interest in this case at this time.
04:31There's also a new question about the note itself, which specified that the payment be made in U.S. dollars,
04:39suggesting the senders could be outside the country or foreign actors.
04:43Or the messages could just be written by A.I.
04:46The Sheriff's Department, after doing a ton of media, suddenly doesn't have anything to say.
04:53The Nancy Guthrie investigation is ongoing.
04:56Follow-up continues at multiple locations.
04:59No suspects, persons of interest, or vehicles have been identified.
05:03No scheduled press briefings.
05:05If any significant developments occur in this case, a press conference will be called.
05:10So, no time for a briefing, but the Sheriff did have time for a basketball game.
05:17Here he is at the University of Arizona Wildcats game on Saturday, just minutes before Savannah released the video saying
05:24she'd pay.
05:25So, Savannah paid the ransom?
05:28We don't know.
05:30The deadline just passed.
05:32And authorities are expected to continue activity at the Guthrie homes tonight and into tomorrow.
05:39Earlier, TMZ reported that the Bitcoin account that the alleged kidnappers were using still appeared empty.
05:46Do you pay ransom without proof of life?
05:50Or do you just roll the dice?
05:52These are the heart-wrenching decisions that have to be made.
05:55So, according to neuroscientists, Gen Z is the first generation that is less intelligent than the one before it.
06:02And that's saying something since the previous generation ate laundry detergent.
06:07But kids born between 97 and 2010 underperformed on basically every cognitive measure from basic attention, memory, literacy, numeracy, whatever,
06:17executive function, and general IQ.
06:19And the culprit, of course, they blame the evil screens.
06:23It's true, so many are looking at their phones constantly that there's been a huge increase of me running them
06:30over.
06:33Of course, whenever something goes wrong in America today, we blame the rectangle.
06:37Kids can't read, must be the iPad.
06:39Can't do math, it's the phone.
06:41Kids aren't watching Fox and Friends.
06:44Well, maybe it's because they have eyes.
06:46But here's the thing.
06:47Tools don't make you dumber, they make you smarter.
06:50It's what separates humans from animals.
06:52Think about it.
06:53When was the last time you saw a kangaroo change a tire?
06:55Or a cow use a vibrator?
07:00Wrong picture.
07:02People.
07:03Now, blaming technology for being dumb is like blaming your hair trimmer for the dollar sign shaved on the back
07:09of your head.
07:10It's a tool.
07:11It's not the tool to blame.
07:12It's the system handing kids the tool after removing discipline, standards, and critical thinking.
07:19It's like handing a drunk his car keys and then being surprised he ended up driving through the front of
07:24a 7-Eleven.
07:25Remember, it was the teachers' unions who pushed the lockdowns, and they kept schools closed, kids isolated, parents scrambling.
07:31And now they're shocked that test scores collapsed like J.B. Pritzker running after an ice cream truck.
07:37Social media also wasn't behind the political activism and trans mania that took over classrooms.
07:42That was activists masquerading as instructors.
07:45So now we hear from the same experts saying, wow, these kids are behind, must be Instagram.
07:50No, it's because you replaced education with identity and made victimhood a path to recognition.
07:55Look, an iPhone has never told teens to walk out of class to protest something they can't even define.
08:00And an iPad didn't tell teens that gender is fluid and math is racist.
08:04Schools did without any accountability.
08:06And the last time I checked, it wasn't the Republican Party running all that crap.
08:10It was Democrats and guys like this.
08:16But it's become the reflex to blame social media, perhaps as a way for those truly responsible to escape culpability.
08:24Meanwhile, look at what social media has accomplished.
08:27Musk's ex provided the avenue for truth tellers to expose narratives as they took shape.
08:32Remember when they said videos of a bubbling Biden were deep fakes?
08:36It wasn't social media telling us that.
08:37It was the mainstream media.
08:39And it was the dissemination of truth through X that debunked **** like that within hours.
08:45In the old days, if someone staged a fake hate crime, the media would run with it for months or
08:51years.
08:52Now the Internet investigates in real time.
08:54Without social media, Justice Smollett would still be a civil rights hero instead of a known sugar daddy for Nigerian
09:00bodybuilders.
09:02Sure, the Internet can suck, but never in history have people been exposed to more ideas, narratives, and counter narratives
09:09of every sort.
09:10So this idea that screens just make kids stupid ignores reality.
09:14The real brain rot comes from teaching kids what to think instead of how to think.
09:19It starts with pushing orthodoxy.
09:21You either believe this or you are evil.
09:24Then school becomes repeat after me instead of think for yourself.
09:27Which means that this generation, hopefully, may end up being the smartest of all.
09:32Because they're figuring out that those in charge of the truth are all full of ****.
09:37Let's welcome today's guest.
09:41He once took third place in last hobo standing.
09:45Host of the Loftus Party podcast, comedian Michael Loftus.
09:51She once won the Orange Prize for fiction because her writing is so appealing.
09:57Author Lionel Shriver.
10:01She went from spin doctors to hip doctors.
10:04Host of the Kennedy Safety World podcast, Kennedy.
10:07And what you call a bike chain, he calls dental floss.
10:11Former NWA world champion, host of the Planet of the Tyrus podcast, Tyrus.
10:21Michael, at the shelter where you stayed, your only screen is a broken down Etch-A-Sketch.
10:26So I imagine it must be hard for you to understand a poll like this.
10:30What do you think is behind this rise in dumbness?
10:33It is.
10:33That's all we have is the Etch-A-Sketch.
10:35And you tap on it and nothing happens.
10:37And then Big Jerry shakes it.
10:38And you're like, I was watching that.
10:42This poll is terrifying.
10:45It's terrifying.
10:47Because they say it's the first time in history that this generation is dumber than the previous one.
10:52But they're confident.
10:54And that's the scariest thing ever.
10:56Is like self-assured, stupid people.
11:00Right.
11:00And then you're like, how long has this been going on?
11:03It might have been going on for a while.
11:05We're just stupid to realize it.
11:08And then I start thinking, am I smarter than my dad?
11:11And I don't think I am.
11:13I remember as a kid, my dad would come up and he'd be like, if you keep doing that, you're
11:17going to go blind.
11:18Yes.
11:18And then I'd say, what does that have to do with anything, dad?
11:24But no, it's all the school system.
11:28It's all the school system.
11:29I was so excited when Trump said he was going to get rid of the Department of Education.
11:33I think we were all excited.
11:35And then the Department of Education, people are like, well, how are we supposed to teach all these kids without
11:39money?
11:40And you're like, you're the Department of Education.
11:43If you can't figure it out, teach yourself how to do that.
11:48Use a word problem.
11:49I'm the Department of Education.
11:50I have five apples.
11:52I need to teach 80 million children.
11:53Figure that out.
11:55Equals.
11:56All right.
11:57That was good.
11:58So, Lionel, welcome to the show.
11:59Your first time here.
12:00I'm very excited.
12:00I love your writing.
12:02He said something interesting, Michael.
12:03He said that he doesn't think he's smarter than his parents.
12:07Is that – we kind of generational look at things differently.
12:11We think kids are dumber than we are.
12:13Are we right?
12:14You know, there's that old joke of which my father was predictably fond about the kid who thought his father
12:22was an idiot.
12:23And then by the time he turned 25, the old man had learned an awful lot.
12:32I think a lot of intelligence is humility.
12:36And that entails acknowledging how much you don't know.
12:40And we're not teaching humility.
12:41We're teaching arrogance.
12:43We're teaching false confidence, self-esteem.
12:47And in order to become educated, you have to – you have to conceive that you don't – you don't
12:54know that anymore.
12:55You know, you need it.
12:56Mm-hmm.
12:57And – and you have to receive it, and you have to make an effort.
13:01Right.
13:02But, you know, one of the things that really bugs me is it's not just the screen stuff.
13:07It's that the schools are not teaching information.
13:10We've devalued information because it's infinitely available to us on the screen.
13:16Right.
13:17So why would you need to know what's the largest number?
13:23I mean, like, you hear these video box pops in Times Square.
13:29They'll ask, what's the largest number?
13:32And they'll – and as this young person will say, 100.
13:38Or come up with the name of a country that begins with you.
13:44Mm-hmm.
13:45Utah.
13:48Yugoslavia.
13:50So you're right twice now.
13:52Think of a country that begins with you, and they're in the United States.
13:57Now, this is just the case across the board that people don't know anything,
14:03and they think that having the means to getting it is the same as knowing it.
14:09Yes.
14:10It's like I'm really – I like to brag, Kennedy, that I'm really good at searching,
14:14like grabbing the right – I don't know anything, but I could find it out with one search term.
14:19Are you as pessimistic as Lionel is?
14:21Because you have – you have daughters.
14:23I do.
14:24Are they smarter than you yet?
14:26In different ways, they are.
14:28And my parents were both really smart in different ways where I have, like, an avenue of intelligence,
14:36which, you know, I didn't realize until – I went to college, and I didn't go to college until late.
14:40And it was then that I realized, you know, to Lionel's point, I had this massive void.
14:46And it was so satisfying going to college when I – you know, because I went in my late 20s
14:51after I'd had two careers.
14:52Like, I knew if college didn't work out, I would still be able to make a living.
14:57But I had areas where I had these massive deficits, and getting to fill them was such a joy.
15:03And I've always tried to encourage my daughters to do the same thing.
15:06I've got one in college, and I've got one who's a junior in high school.
15:09And I keep telling her, number one, you don't have to go to college.
15:12And number two, and this is what drives me crazy, like, they hector these kids.
15:16What are you majoring in?
15:17What do you want to do?
15:18And I'm like, no one really knows what they want to do.
15:22But they try and force kids into these areas of specialization.
15:27But if you have kids who are naturally intelligent, and they do have this incredible aptitude, we do not indulge
15:34that.
15:35You don't let kids – you know, you don't allow them to be painters and to spend eight hours a
15:40day painting and sculpting.
15:42Because if they have their own lane of intelligence, they should be able to do that.
15:46But you can't, with teachers' unions, an entire education system that is set upon a Prussian learning system from the
15:541800s.
15:55It's so incredibly outdated.
15:58But critical thinking never goes out of space.
15:59Yeah.
15:59No, I like that you brought – you can make a lot of money painting.
16:03You can make a lot of money painting, like houses, stuff like that.
16:07Yes, look at that.
16:08All right, Tyrus.
16:09Okay, are we right to blame screens?
16:12Am I right to say it's not the –
16:13No, no.
16:14Okay.
16:14It's not the screens.
16:16It's not the schools.
16:17It's the parents.
16:19Lazy parents.
16:21Lazy parenting.
16:23Schools have always been one way or the other.
16:25There was a time when schools would preach you that a person of my color shouldn't sit at the same
16:29table as you.
16:30But parents knew better.
16:31You mean tan?
16:32Yes.
16:36It's Black History Month, so he's behaving.
16:41But I look at how my mother did things, right?
16:45And this was – she was a single mom who worked 90 hours a week, worked nights.
16:49But before she would go to bed in the morning, when she came in, we were going out.
16:54We had to have her books out.
16:55We had to show her work for school.
16:56Then when we came home and she's getting ready to go to work, we had to do our homework before
17:00we did anything else.
17:01It was – and if we didn't have homework, she would invent it for us.
17:06And now we didn't have the net.
17:08We had to get an Encyclopedia Britannica and write down five things.
17:12Our mother forced us to search.
17:15What it is now is parents, when you present – when you decide that you're going to give your kid
17:19a tablet to do his homework, there's no search.
17:22They write, what's the answer to this?
17:23Boom.
17:24Oh, there it is.
17:25And they write it down.
17:25You didn't learn anything.
17:27But then mom and dad can go on their tablet and see what their ex-girlfriend's having for dinner tomorrow
17:32night.
17:33You know, like, it's – you can blame the system, but parents are not doing the work anymore because they're
17:39lazy, because they're being spoiled.
17:40And there's people like, I don't think that – you look at any grandparent and ask them, do you see
17:45the same effort of work on top of the stuff that you were doing?
17:48And things are easier now because, to your point, you can hit the magic thing and get all the answers
17:53you want, but no one's doing the work.
17:55Parents aren't doing the work.
17:56Prepare your kids.
17:57School helps, but mom and dad, or just mom or just dad, needs to sacrifice their own s**t.
18:04Maybe you don't get to go out.
18:05Maybe you don't have happy hour.
18:06Maybe you don't get to go – maybe you don't get to sit on and death scroll on Instagram.
18:10for four hours in your bathtub.
18:12You might have to get off your s**t and show them how to do algebra.
18:15And if you don't know it, then maybe you take a class.
18:16But I'm saying parenting needs to be better.
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