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00:00:01Zayn, welcome back to Call Her Daddy.
00:00:05I can't believe I was thinking about it this morning.
00:00:07I'm like, it has been, I think, almost three years since I last saw you.
00:00:10Yeah.
00:00:11It's good to see you.
00:00:12How have you been?
00:00:13I've been good, yeah.
00:00:15Just been a dad when I'm not working.
00:00:19Aside from that, yeah, we've done another album, Conocoal.
00:00:24Got it together, like, pretty much after I did the Stairway to the Sky tour.
00:00:30Felt the vibe, you know, on stage and stuff.
00:00:32Seeing what people were, like, responding to.
00:00:35And then got home, back to P.A. and was, like, super inspired to, like, make another record.
00:00:39I think I did it in, like, two weeks.
00:00:41I love that you're, like, I'm a dad and then, like, when I'm not working, I'm, like, overwrite casual.
00:00:44Like, you're on stage performing and then you're just, like, back in Pennsylvania in your, like, little cozy life.
00:00:48It's a bit of a contrast.
00:00:49Yeah, just a little bit.
00:00:51Slight one.
00:00:51To anyone who isn't familiar or doesn't remember, the first episode that we ever recorded together was in my parents' house.
00:00:59It was.
00:00:59In Pennsylvania.
00:01:00Yeah.
00:01:01Which is still a little bit of a mindfuck to me that we were, I remember when you left, there were kids in the cul-de-sac being, like, crashing into the tree, being, like, is that Zayn?
00:01:11Did people see me, yeah?
00:01:11Yes, there was, like, little kids in the cul-de-sac being, like, wait, that's not.
00:01:15I didn't notice any kids.
00:01:16Well, because no one in Pennsylvania ever gets, like, a star-studded moment.
00:01:20So the fact that you're just casually leaving.
00:01:22That's why everyone thinks it's so weird.
00:01:23I live there.
00:01:23Everyone's always, like, yo, you're such a weirdo.
00:01:25Why do you live in P.A.?
00:01:26But I just live with that.
00:01:27I love it.
00:01:28Yeah.
00:01:28And now we're in Vegas because you have a residency here.
00:01:31So, like, from, like, Pennsylvania cul-de-sac to Vegas, like, the vibes are just, like, a little different today.
00:01:35Slightly, yeah.
00:01:35Just a little.
00:01:37I was thinking about it in that first interview.
00:01:39That was your first time really talking in almost seven years.
00:01:44So we kind of went through everything.
00:01:45We talked about your rise to fame.
00:01:48We talked about you walking away from one direction.
00:01:49We talked about your early relationships.
00:01:51We went to almost everything.
00:01:53So today, I think we just hang out and catch up and have a little bit of fun.
00:01:59How long have you been in Vegas?
00:02:01Being here, coming up to two weeks now.
00:02:05Yeah, not too long.
00:02:06What have you been doing?
00:02:07Have you gone to the Strip?
00:02:08No, I haven't been to the Strip.
00:02:10Could you even go?
00:02:11I probably could.
00:02:12Like, I don't really go out with security and stuff.
00:02:16I kind of just, like, keep it low-key.
00:02:18It's me and, like, a couple people from the team or whatever.
00:02:20So I think it, like, attracts less attention that way.
00:02:25So, yeah, I probably could go out.
00:02:26It's not really my vibe.
00:02:27These days, I'm getting a bit old.
00:02:29Like, when I'm not working, I just want to go home and relax.
00:02:31How old are you again?
00:02:3233.
00:02:33He's like, I am such an old man.
00:02:36Every 33-year-old is like...
00:02:37I feel like an old man.
00:02:38Everyone's like, keep that energy to yourself, saying you're not old, you're young.
00:02:41Wait, have you gone to the casinos?
00:02:44Yeah, we had a little look because, obviously, they had, like, the tables with my face on them and stuff.
00:02:48So we went to go check that out.
00:02:49That was fun.
00:02:49Yeah, but I'm not really a gambler, either.
00:02:52It's not really my thing.
00:02:53Did you lose any money?
00:02:54Never really lost a big, yeah, amount of money in my life.
00:02:57Like, I bet on fights and stuff, like UFC fights, boxing fights, here and there, if I know somebody's going to win.
00:03:03How much?
00:03:04I've won some decent money.
00:03:07I don't dare to disclose, but I've won some decent money.
00:03:11Anthony Joshua won me some money.
00:03:14So you're doing well for yourself in the betting arena.
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00:05:00Okay, last interview.
00:05:03I, obviously, in my parents' house, I have sad news.
00:05:05They sold that house.
00:05:07Really?
00:05:07So, I'm not, like, privy to the information of, like, what is going on in Pennsylvania these days?
00:05:12Like, are you, like, do you have any hot gossip for me?
00:05:16Like, what's going on?
00:05:16What's going on in Pennsylvania?
00:05:18Not much, to be honest.
00:05:20That's why I live there.
00:05:21It's real quiet, calm out there, you know what I mean?
00:05:24There's not much going on.
00:05:25And I don't really leave my gaff.
00:05:26I'll be honest with you.
00:05:27I kind of just stay there.
00:05:28Do you have neighbors?
00:05:29I do have neighbors, yeah.
00:05:30But they're quite far away.
00:05:32Have you ever interacted with them?
00:05:34Yeah, I have.
00:05:35Yeah, we got some, I got a new neighbor, next door neighbor.
00:05:38We were in, like, maybe, I want to say about five, six months ago now.
00:05:42So, I sent them cookies and, you know, welcome to the neighborhood.
00:05:45You sent them cookies?
00:05:46Did you bake them?
00:05:48No, no, I sent them next door.
00:05:49But they sent their number back, like, and, like, said, if you ever need anything, you want us to watch the house or whatever.
00:05:54So, we've got you.
00:05:55Yeah, it's nice.
00:05:56What do you think they think of you?
00:05:58I'm not sure, you know.
00:06:00I did have something quite funny happen.
00:06:02Recently, I was working at the house.
00:06:05I was filming something for Borderlands for the video game.
00:06:08We did the song.
00:06:09And we had, like, a whole thing going on in the field, like, smoke grenades and crazy shit.
00:06:13And somebody complained.
00:06:15I was like, Zane doesn't own Pierre.
00:06:17I was like, I'm aware I don't own Pierre.
00:06:20They're like, hey, what's going on in the backyard?
00:06:22Yeah, they thought I was having, like, a crazy festival in the back garden, but I actually was just working.
00:06:28Okay, so you were causing, like, a little bit of a ruckus, but for the most part, you're usually dead silent.
00:06:32Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
00:06:33So, you're like, give me a break.
00:06:34I'm not throwing parties.
00:06:36Just, like, throwing grenades.
00:06:37That's why I like the space, because I can put the music as loud as I want, and I'm not really disturbing anybody, you know?
00:06:41Something that went so viral from our last episode together, which I thought was so wild, was you talking about your animals.
00:06:50Animals, the internet lost their minds.
00:06:53Okay, we talked about your cats, your dogs, your turtles, your chickens.
00:06:57Who do we have now?
00:06:58How are the animals doing?
00:06:59They're all pretty much the same, yeah.
00:07:01Yeah, I've got turtles, chickens, dogs, cats.
00:07:04I lost one of my cats, actually, recently.
00:07:06Which one?
00:07:07Vito, one of my sphinxes.
00:07:09Yeah, it was kind of sad.
00:07:10I'm so sorry.
00:07:11You said that for the chickens, you also kind of stopped naming them at one point, because it was too traumatizing when you would lose them?
00:07:17If something happens to them, yeah.
00:07:18So, now they just call the girls.
00:07:20That's it.
00:07:21So, you're not naming them anymore?
00:07:22No, no names.
00:07:23So, when you see your chickens in the morning, you're just greeting them as, like...
00:07:28What's going on, girls?
00:07:30They're a collective now.
00:07:32Hey, girls.
00:07:34I'm trying to think of your fashion sense, right?
00:07:36You're kind of known as, like, you've got some swag going on.
00:07:38When you're on the farm, what are you wearing?
00:07:44Like, are you in overalls?
00:07:45Sometimes, actually, yeah.
00:07:47Sometimes I do wear overalls.
00:07:48I fully lean into the farm thing.
00:07:50But, yeah, not just relaxed, casual stuff.
00:07:53You know, jeans, t-shirt, checkered shirt from time to time.
00:07:58He is so Pennsylvania.
00:07:59It's crazy.
00:08:01You're wearing full flannels.
00:08:02Yeah.
00:08:03But, it helps you blend in.
00:08:04Wawa's.
00:08:06Oh, my God.
00:08:06I forgot we talked about Wawa last time.
00:08:08And, I was like, honestly, you're a real one that you actually go there.
00:08:11Do you leave your house a lot and, like, go around in Pennsylvania?
00:08:14Like, are you shopping?
00:08:15I'm not going to be a dick.
00:08:16I'm not going to lie to you.
00:08:16I like Dardash and Uber Eats quite a lot.
00:08:20Yeah.
00:08:20You're like, I've never...
00:08:21You don't even know what McCaffrey's is, do you?
00:08:24It's a grocery store, Zane.
00:08:25Okay.
00:08:25Oh, okay.
00:08:26No, I don't know what McCaffrey's is.
00:08:28So, you just give me Wawa because you're like,
00:08:30I know that's a Pennsylvania staple, but, like, I've probably never even been.
00:08:33No, I've been to Wawa.
00:08:34I've been in there a few times.
00:08:36Yeah, but I prefer to order from there because usually when I'm getting food from there,
00:08:39it's like 3 in the morning.
00:08:41Let's talk about gardening.
00:08:43Yeah.
00:08:43I heard you've been up to gardening lately, which I feel like you weren't doing when
00:08:47I first met you.
00:08:49What are you growing over there in your overalls?
00:08:52I actually have been growing stuff for a minute since I moved out to Pia, maybe about a year
00:08:56after I was living out there.
00:08:57I just realized there's so much land.
00:09:00Like, you can just mess around in the mud and shit.
00:09:03So, yeah, I grow all kinds of different stuff.
00:09:06Melons, tomatoes, carrots, onions, eggplant, pumpkin, cucumber, all kinds of chilies.
00:09:13Like, chili plants grow really well there, too.
00:09:16Yeah, all kinds of stuff.
00:09:18Jalapenos, bullet chilies.
00:09:19And then are you taking these and then you're cooking?
00:09:21Yeah, I take them.
00:09:22I freeze a lot of the chilies because you can't use them all at once, you know, unless you
00:09:26want to die.
00:09:28But, yeah, we freeze a lot of stuff and keep it.
00:09:31I have been wanting to do that.
00:09:33Like, I probably will never do it, but I'm like in a dream world.
00:09:36I'm like, I should be gardening.
00:09:37But, like, what's the plant that's really frustrated you the most?
00:09:42Frustrated me?
00:09:44Probably either cucumber or pumpkin.
00:09:50Why?
00:09:50Because it's like an aggressive plant.
00:09:53Like, it's invasive, I think is the term they use for it.
00:09:56And it just overtakes everything else because it's got vines and they kind of have a mind
00:10:00of their own and they just strangle your other plants and suffocate them for the light.
00:10:04Okay, good to know.
00:10:05So, like, I shouldn't even try with cucumbers.
00:10:06Don't put tomatoes or cucumbers in there or anything.
00:10:08You know, they have to be by themselves.
00:10:09I'm going to need to get a list from you of, like, if you're going to put these in this
00:10:12area that, okay, so you're pretty, like, expert at this point.
00:10:15I won't say expert.
00:10:16I'm all right.
00:10:16But, yeah, and you're about to ask me some questions about it.
00:10:18No.
00:10:18So maybe off camera, I'm like, okay, for an idiot like me, what's the first thing that's
00:10:22the easiest to grow?
00:10:23Probably somewhat simple, like onions or carrots.
00:10:31They tend to grow quite well.
00:10:33They don't really matter what the climate's like either.
00:10:35See, these are the important things we need, Zane.
00:10:37Like, I know this is called her daddy, but, like, you've got a brain of your own over
00:10:41there that I feel like you're, like, have a lot of weird wisdom.
00:10:44And this is what I'm trying to soak up, okay?
00:10:46Um, let's talk about woodworking.
00:10:49I heard from a little birdie that that's also a new hobby of yours.
00:10:54What are you doing?
00:10:55Yeah, I like to carve things out of wood.
00:10:57Yeah.
00:10:58Like, small pieces of wood.
00:10:59Not, like, big projects or anything, but, like, small blocks of wood and I, like, carve, like,
00:11:04bears out of them and stuff.
00:11:05A bear?
00:11:06Bear.
00:11:07I can do a bird now.
00:11:08Hold on.
00:11:10So, walk me through that.
00:11:12You've got a knife or how do you do it?
00:11:13It's a carving knife.
00:11:14You can get, like, sets that are specifically made for that, like, for soft wood.
00:11:19Um, yeah, and, uh, I just watch, like, random YouTube videos of people doing it and then
00:11:23just copy it.
00:11:24Are you just, like, hoarding all of this stuff or are you giving it away as gifts?
00:11:28Um, I was actually at one point thinking it'd be really sick to, like, give them to people
00:11:33as Christmas presents or whatever because it takes a lot of time and it's thought and effort.
00:11:36Um, but the only ones I've done so far, Kai has, like, I did them for Kai and she keeps
00:11:41them on a shelf, like.
00:11:42Cute.
00:11:43Yeah.
00:11:43Have you given her a bird or a bear?
00:11:45Uh, she's got, like, four bears because they're, like, practice, you know?
00:11:49Right, the first one's, like, so bad.
00:11:51It just got better, yeah.
00:11:53That's really cute.
00:11:54And, yeah, bird.
00:11:55She's got, like, a little bird.
00:11:56I'm interested to know, like, I feel like a first date, a lot of people, that's a classic
00:12:02question.
00:12:02Someone would be, like, tell me about your hobbies.
00:12:05Like, what's a hobby of yours?
00:12:06It's, like, a classic question.
00:12:08What do you think would be one of the most attractive hobbies someone could have?
00:12:12Because you obviously are a man of quite interesting hobbies.
00:12:15Yeah.
00:12:16The most attractive hobby that I think somebody could have is probably reading.
00:12:25Okay.
00:12:25Because you get information from that, you know?
00:12:27It gives you some stimulus for conversation.
00:12:30You want an intellectual woman?
00:12:32Yeah.
00:12:33Maybe someday.
00:12:36You're like, Alex, stop it.
00:12:38Wait, so would you ever, like, start a little book club with someone?
00:12:43A book club?
00:12:44Yeah, maybe.
00:12:45Yeah.
00:12:45When I get a bit older, yeah.
00:12:46It'd be kind of cute.
00:12:47Wait, why do I feel like in Pennsylvania, I'm going to see you in the next three years,
00:12:50and you're going to be like, Alex, that idea sparked something, and I have a full Pennsylvania
00:12:55book club, and it's going to be just you.
00:12:56And I've actually made some friends in PA now.
00:12:58Thank you, Alex.
00:13:00I love how you think that, like, people wouldn't want to be your friend in PA.
00:13:03Like, everyone wants to be your friend.
00:13:04You just have to leave your house.
00:13:05Yeah.
00:13:05But a book club is an easy way.
00:13:07Maybe you start with the old couple that lives next to you.
00:13:10Yeah.
00:13:11Let me know.
00:13:12Yeah.
00:13:12Let me know if you get into it.
00:13:13I'll let you know.
00:13:13When you start something new, obviously, there's, like, a bit of a learning curve, and I think
00:13:18you're someone who is so successful, and you're obviously a very talented person, but how does
00:13:24it make you feel when you maybe are kind of at a beginner's level with things that you're
00:13:28taking on, and it takes time to get good at something?
00:13:30Do you like that?
00:13:31That's, yeah, why I get into so many weird, random things.
00:13:34I enjoy that feeling.
00:13:35I enjoy the beginning stage of not being good at something, and then seeing the progression,
00:13:40you know, like, over the years, putting that time in.
00:13:44Even when I was a little kid, in a weird way, like, when I was, like, eight, nine, that
00:13:48was what it was that enticed me about wanting to do music.
00:13:50I wasn't great, you know?
00:13:52You don't just come out, and, you know, you're amazing at things.
00:13:57I was really rubbish, you know?
00:13:58I couldn't sing at all.
00:13:59Like, I had to work hard and practice, and...
00:14:02You actually think you couldn't sing at all?
00:14:04Oh, shit, man.
00:14:05Well, eight, nine-year-old me?
00:14:07Yeah, terrible.
00:14:08Yeah, I won't put that kid on stage.
00:14:09Shit, no.
00:14:10Okay, but terrible by your standard, or if a video came out of you at eight, like...
00:14:14They might think it's cute, you know?
00:14:15Like, I was quite cute, but it's definitely not good.
00:14:19Yeah, talent level has definitely increased, I'd like to say.
00:14:22The pitch wasn't there.
00:14:23No.
00:14:23What is your relationship to perfectionism?
00:14:28Again, closely related to the previous question, you know?
00:14:32I enjoyed this idea of striving for perfection.
00:14:36I'm also very aware that it doesn't exist.
00:14:38So I just drive myself a little bit insane with it.
00:14:42But I feel like it's healthy, because it pushes you further, you know?
00:14:45Pushes the boundaries, makes you give up.
00:14:47You said in an interview that you like leaning into simple things where there's no infiltration
00:14:53from other people's expectations.
00:14:56How much pressure do you put on yourself to live up to other people's standards?
00:15:02None.
00:15:03None?
00:15:03Yeah.
00:15:04Have you always been like that?
00:15:06Yeah, I really don't give a shit.
00:15:07Yeah.
00:15:08That's why I kind of like stick to myself, just keep to myself.
00:15:11I'm not doing things for other people's approval.
00:15:15You can't keep everybody happy, you know?
00:15:17It's not really a thing that you can achieve.
00:15:19Some people are going to like you, some people are not.
00:15:21At the end of the day, I think it's more important to like yourself.
00:15:24That's a really incredible quality to have, because I think, I mean, I've sat down with
00:15:29a lot of people, and I feel like a lot of people would say, I've gotten to that point,
00:15:34but I haven't always been that way.
00:15:36And to hear that you have, like, how do you think you've always just been kind of secure
00:15:40and comfortable with yourself?
00:15:41Like, what do you attribute that to?
00:15:42Yeah, I don't even know if it's so much I would say I am secure and comfortable with
00:15:46myself.
00:15:47I strive for that, you know?
00:15:49And that's the most important thing for me, like, if I'm cool with myself.
00:15:55And yeah, like, I guess you do that by just, you know, living in your truth, like, and not
00:16:02really caring, you know, about impressing other people.
00:16:05I don't know where it comes from.
00:16:07I just, yeah, it's just never been a thing.
00:16:09It's really incredible to hear you talk like that, though.
00:16:12I feel like as someone who's so public, and you've been obviously in music for so
00:16:19long, I'm curious to know what your, and how you would describe your relationship to
00:16:24masculinity.
00:16:26I think my relationship with masculinity is unconventional in a way.
00:16:35I'm very aware of what toxic masculinity is, and I try to stay away from that.
00:16:40And I like to do things that, you know, people wouldn't necessarily think that I would do,
00:16:45you know?
00:16:46Give me some examples.
00:16:48Like, in, you know, in a cultural sense, I feel like in the last, like, 10, 15 years,
00:16:55things have changed, you know?
00:16:56Like, what's appropriate for guys to do, and what's appropriate for females to do?
00:17:01Cooking, you know, things like that.
00:17:02I don't think, you know, 10 years ago, people, dudes are really out here being like, yo, I
00:17:07like cooking, you know, in my spare time, or I cry, bluey, or, you know, whatever.
00:17:12Like, just being honest, you know what I mean?
00:17:15With the things like, you don't have to always be the cool macho dude, you know?
00:17:19I guess that's my relationship with masculinity.
00:17:21I feel like there's much more strength in vulnerability and honesty, yeah.
00:17:25Are you sitting there crying at bluey and Kai is like, dad, what are you doing?
00:17:29Occasionally, yeah.
00:17:29Yeah, she's always a little bit embarrassed for me, yeah.
00:17:32All of my emotional feels as a parent.
00:17:35That's actually amazing.
00:17:37Like, I can picture the visual, and you're like, oh, sorry.
00:17:39Yeah, whoops.
00:17:40Didn't mean that.
00:17:42How do you think having a daughter has impacted the way that you think about how society and
00:17:50men treat women?
00:17:52That's a very interesting question.
00:17:54For me, personally, I feel like I've always thought about that anyway, because I have three
00:18:02sisters, and five aunties, and it's a big, you know, female family, so I've been forced
00:18:09to hear nothing but female opinions for a very long time.
00:18:13The, you know, me having a child, becoming a father has definitely amplified it further,
00:18:18and I guess just made me be more consciously aware that, you know, any woman I am having
00:18:25an interaction with or speaking to is somebody's daughter or sister, you know, and just makes
00:18:31you approach that with a little bit more respect, I guess.
00:18:33Yeah.
00:18:33As a dad, what is your biggest wish for Kai?
00:18:38Honestly, I just hope that she gets to do in life whatever she wishes to do, and she's
00:18:45happy, yeah.
00:18:46I remember last time we talked, you were saying how she was, you would sing to her, and, like,
00:18:51she was enjoying that.
00:18:52Like, what currently does she want to be when she grows up?
00:18:55She definitely wants to be a K-pop star.
00:18:57So, yeah, she's big into K-pop.
00:19:01Oh, my God.
00:19:02How do you feel about that?
00:19:04I'd like to keep her away from it, you know, but at the end of the day, if she's happy,
00:19:07like I said, you know, I'll support her.
00:19:09Can you imagine you being like, no, you can't be in a girl group?
00:19:13And then she's like, really, Dad?
00:19:16You're a hypocrite?
00:19:17And you're like, yeah.
00:19:17Yeah, I won't be able to say that, yeah.
00:19:19So, I'm just going to have to support her.
00:19:21But me personally, yeah, I would like to keep her away from some of the headache that this
00:19:26job entails, you know?
00:19:27Keep her in the Pennsylvania world.
00:19:29That's it, yeah.
00:19:29Keep her on the farm.
00:19:30With the chickens and the animals and shit.
00:19:32Keep her with the girls.
00:19:33That's it.
00:19:33Okay, last time we also talked, you said that you took Kai to the Nickelodeon theme park
00:19:40and you guys had the best time.
00:19:43What is another fun or special thing that you've gotten to do with her since then?
00:19:48We've done quite a bit since then.
00:19:50I took her to Monster Jam not long ago.
00:19:53What is that?
00:19:53The monster truck show, which I was convinced that they were going to be like slamming into
00:19:58each other 100 miles an hour.
00:19:59They don't do that.
00:20:00They just kind of like do like bounces around on the sand for like an hour and a half.
00:20:06So, it was a little bit anticlimactic for me, but Kai enjoyed it.
00:20:08And then I think we went to go see Blackpink live.
00:20:12Took her there.
00:20:13How good.
00:20:14So good.
00:20:15I just saw them in Japan and it was amazing.
00:20:19It's so fun.
00:20:20They're really good.
00:20:21Wait, so did you suggest the Monster Jam thing or did she?
00:20:25She actually suggested it.
00:20:26I think somebody in school told her about it and she was like,
00:20:28Dad, we should go here.
00:20:30And I think she knew I was going to kind of like it too.
00:20:32So, she's like, I'll take my dad somewhere where he'll enjoy it.
00:20:36Yeah, it was fun.
00:20:37She was right.
00:20:38We had talked about and you had shared with me about growing up with financial instability
00:20:42and insecurities.
00:20:44What does it mean to you to be able to provide so much for your daughter without that level
00:20:50of stress?
00:20:50I'm so glad you asked me that question.
00:20:53It's everything.
00:20:55Even to the degree that like, you know, I'm raising her in an environment that, you know,
00:21:02isn't the same as everybody's.
00:21:05You know, her dad is a pop star.
00:21:06Her mom is a model.
00:21:08And certain things that she does in life might not, you know, always reflect what other people's
00:21:13understanding of reality is, you know.
00:21:15So, I think I gave her a bit too much money from the tooth fairy.
00:21:19How much are we talking?
00:21:21500 quid.
00:21:24Zane?
00:21:24It's her first tooth.
00:21:25Hold on.
00:21:26And her mom gave me shit about it.
00:21:27And I was like, at the end of the day, like, I worked my ass off and like, I should be able
00:21:31to give my kid what I want to give her, you know.
00:21:34Hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:21:35I may have to agree with her mom on this.
00:21:37Hold on.
00:21:38Yeah, a lot of people do.
00:21:40$500 for one tooth?
00:21:42Yeah.
00:21:42It's her first tooth though.
00:21:43But then what's going to happen with the second one?
00:21:45She gets five.
00:21:46No.
00:21:47Yeah, that's it.
00:21:49The first tooth.
00:21:51I'm going to keep that one in front of me.
00:21:53She's like, Dad, what is this shit?
00:21:55It's like a $1 bill.
00:21:56You're like.
00:21:56Yeah, that's it.
00:21:58Two phase.
00:21:58Two phase gone broke now.
00:21:59She's not giving you anything else.
00:22:02Oh my God, $500 is so crazy.
00:22:05But also, every person is so jealous right now being like, wow.
00:22:09She's my first kid.
00:22:10I know.
00:22:11Give me a break.
00:22:12Somebody, please.
00:22:13Okay, I do give you a break.
00:22:15Not you.
00:22:16I'm just saying people in general, like, obviously look at a certain type of way.
00:22:19But look, at the end of the day, I was lucky if I got anything for my teeth, you know?
00:22:25And I've worked really hard for everything I've earned.
00:22:28So I don't feel like I should have to answer for them things, you know?
00:22:32I think it's a great point.
00:22:33And I think I obviously don't have kids yet.
00:22:36But I think a lot of becoming a parent is trying to right the wrongs of things that you wish you would.
00:22:42And there's definitely that, too.
00:22:44You know what I mean?
00:22:44That, like, feeling of, you know, I didn't get to do this, so I want you to be able to feel this.
00:22:48And I overcompensate a little bit too much sometimes for that.
00:22:52Yeah, for sure.
00:22:52A whole my hands up.
00:22:53Well, it's also coming from such a genuinely good place.
00:22:56Like, you saying, like, I'm so excited that I'm able to give this to her.
00:22:59To do it for her, yeah.
00:23:00No one ever did that for me.
00:23:02You said she's obviously, like, your only kid.
00:23:04Like, would you want more kids ever?
00:23:06I do, yeah.
00:23:08It's not something I'm, like, actively trying to pursue.
00:23:12But, yeah, for sure, I would like more kids.
00:23:15Obviously, Kai would have to approve, too, because she's got the highest opinion, you know?
00:23:20But, yeah, never say never.
00:23:24I love that, too.
00:23:25She'd be the full head honcho.
00:23:26Like, she's the oldest.
00:23:28Would you want big or smaller?
00:23:30Like, would you want a lot of kids?
00:23:31Like a big family?
00:23:32Yeah.
00:23:32Oh, yeah, definitely.
00:23:33I come from a big family.
00:23:35I seen someone in a stand-up show the other day, and this guy was talking on stage, and
00:23:40he was like, you know, when I used to watch Full House, like, as a kid, if that was any
00:23:46other ethnicity family, it would just be called House.
00:23:49Not Full House.
00:23:50And I was like, it's so true, because, like, we had, like, 15 people in our house all
00:23:55day, every day, you know?
00:23:57So, yeah, it's something I'm used to.
00:23:59I'm enjoying the, you know, the peace and quiet of it just being me and Kai.
00:24:02But eventually, yeah, like, I'd like to lean into that.
00:24:05Yeah, maybe, I'd say, like, maybe four.
00:24:07No more than four.
00:24:09Okay, no more.
00:24:09Yeah.
00:24:10And then you get four, and you're like, okay, one more.
00:24:12Maybe.
00:24:12We'll see.
00:24:12We'll see.
00:24:13We'll see.
00:24:14I guess I'd have to find a partner first.
00:24:15Yeah, wait, shit.
00:24:16We'll get there.
00:24:16We'll get there.
00:24:17We'll talk about dating.
00:24:17I have to ask her as well, you know?
00:24:19It's not really on me.
00:24:21You're like, we can pretend all day, Alex, but.
00:24:24It's really up to the woman.
00:24:25Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:24:27How do you think, though, your upbringing has also influenced your parenting style now?
00:24:33I thought my upbringing was going to influence my parenting style in a way that I would be
00:24:38super strict and, like, you know, regimented with everything.
00:24:42And it's the complete opposite, like, I do not care to admit that I'm a complete pushover
00:24:48when it comes to my daughter.
00:24:50She looks at me a type of way, and I just kind of just, like, melt a little bit and then
00:24:54just give it to her.
00:24:55Like, what is an example she gets away with?
00:24:57Whenever she wants, like, a candy or something that she's not meant to be having or it's a
00:25:02bit late and she don't want to go to sleep, she's like, can I watch one more cartoon?
00:25:05And I'm like, yeah, you can.
00:25:07Yeah.
00:25:08Yeah.
00:25:08I love that for Kai.
00:25:10You told me that spending time with your daughter has helped you reconnect with your own inner
00:25:15child.
00:25:15What has that looked like for you over the years?
00:25:20My own inner child has always been pretty loud and prominent in my personality.
00:25:25I think it's the reason I'm a creative.
00:25:28I like paying in and, you know, doing things that might be more appealing to, you know, people
00:25:34of a younger age.
00:25:35But since doing it with her, she's just kind of brought a lot of things back for me, like
00:25:42how much I enjoy doing them things, you know, during the day, watching cartoons, things
00:25:47like that, like watching films and just enjoying kiddie stuff with her, you know, messing around
00:25:52with Play-Doh and sand and all the messy shit.
00:25:56All the good stuff.
00:25:57No glitter, though.
00:25:58Glitter's not allowed in my house.
00:26:00Why?
00:26:01Because I hate it.
00:26:02I hate glitter.
00:26:02So if she came to you and said, dad, she's not allowed, she know, she wouldn't even ask
00:26:06me, she knows, she'll be hiding little vows of glitter to put on her artwork.
00:26:11What bad experience did you have with glitter?
00:26:13Glitter goes everywhere.
00:26:14It gets on everything.
00:26:16It gets stuck on your face and your eyes and your nose.
00:26:19It's weird.
00:26:19So that's where you will not be a pusher.
00:26:21So I draw the line.
00:26:22Okay.
00:26:22Good to know.
00:26:23It's glitter.
00:26:24Zane's line is glitter for his daughter.
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00:28:13You became a dad at 27 years old.
00:28:16That's pretty young.
00:28:17Yeah.
00:28:18When you look back, what do you remember feeling?
00:28:21Like, were you scared at all?
00:28:22Were you nervous?
00:28:23Yeah, definitely.
00:28:24I was very nervous.
00:28:25Yeah.
00:28:25It's something I'd always really, like, looked forward to.
00:28:30And I remember my parents even saying to me, my father used to say to me, oh, when you
00:28:35have a kid yourself, that's when you're going to grow up, you know?
00:28:38So it was always, like, this hinge point in my mind where I was like, oh, when I get there,
00:28:44this will happen, you know?
00:28:45So I was kind of just expecting a lot of things to happen that didn't and kind of, you know,
00:28:50over-empting or pre-empting what, you know, was going to be the situation and just putting,
00:28:56you know, 80 years of pressure over a lifespan on myself in five minutes, finding out that
00:29:02my girlfriend's pregnant, you know what I mean?
00:29:04So it was a lot, but in reality, it's been completely different, you know?
00:29:11You take it a day at a time, and she's such an amazing human being that I just feel honored,
00:29:16really, without sounding too cheesy, to just be her dad and be around her, yeah.
00:29:20Isn't that so weird, though?
00:29:21Like, when you grow up, you have these ideas of adults, and then you become an adult, and
00:29:25you're like, wait, being an adult, it's kind of like you're not actually an adult?
00:29:28Oh, nobody has a fucking clue what they're doing.
00:29:30No one ever did.
00:29:31Everyone's just lying to me.
00:29:32It's so crazy.
00:29:33We look at our parents, and we're like, oh, my God, like, you're so old.
00:29:36I'm going to be like-
00:29:36You've got it all figured out.
00:29:37You know everything.
00:29:38But yeah, they don't know anything either.
00:29:39They don't know anything.
00:29:40They're just as scared as you.
00:29:41Right?
00:29:42So I do think it's also weird.
00:29:44It's like when you hit these milestones in life, we have an expectation of exactly what
00:29:48we're going to feel.
00:29:49Like, oh, I'll be changed.
00:29:50I'll be better.
00:29:51I'll be this.
00:29:52And then you get there, and it's like you're still the same person.
00:29:54Like, your life doesn't just change completely overnight like that.
00:29:57So it is helpful as you go through those big life stages to kind of give yourself grace
00:30:01in those moments to be like, huh.
00:30:03So then everyone must feel this way.
00:30:05It's not just me.
00:30:06Right?
00:30:06You would hope so anyway.
00:30:08Okay.
00:30:09We have to talk a little bit about dating, which I already feel like I know your answer.
00:30:13E-Day.
00:30:14No.
00:30:14What?
00:30:15We have to talk about D-Day.
00:30:16What did you just say?
00:30:17Did you just say D-Day?
00:30:18No.
00:30:19Dating.
00:30:20Dating.
00:30:20I thought you said we have to talk about D-Day.
00:30:21I was like, what is this?
00:30:22I don't even know what this is.
00:30:24D-Day.
00:30:25Dating.
00:30:26Which maybe to you feels like me asking about D-Day because you're like, that's like
00:30:29Freudian moment.
00:30:30You're like, no, wait, what?
00:30:31D-Day.
00:30:32Fuck.
00:30:33Are you seeing anyone right now?
00:30:35No.
00:30:35I knew you were going to say that.
00:30:37Not even like texting.
00:30:40Okay.
00:30:43That's fair.
00:30:44You're not dating.
00:30:45You're just, you're talking.
00:30:47I've got a few friends.
00:30:48Yeah.
00:30:48But no, no, I'm not, I'm not dating anybody.
00:30:52Okay.
00:30:52So a few friends.
00:30:54You went on Tinder once, right?
00:30:56You, did you ever make it out of the app?
00:30:59No one ever believed it was me, to be honest with you.
00:31:01So it didn't really work for me.
00:31:03But yeah.
00:31:04What was your profile picture?
00:31:06Of me.
00:31:06But like, was it from Google?
00:31:08No.
00:31:09No, it was on the app, like camera roll pictures.
00:31:11Okay.
00:31:12So like it wasn't online that you could find it?
00:31:14No, no.
00:31:14Well, that's like the tell.
00:31:15They should have known it was you.
00:31:16Yeah, but what they're going to do is search online.
00:31:18Is this photo from online?
00:31:20So dating apps are not for you anymore?
00:31:21Not really.
00:31:23How has being a dad impacted the way that you approach dating right now?
00:31:29I don't know if being a dad's changed the way I approach dating.
00:31:33I guess the only difference with that is the time, you know?
00:31:38Like I said, when I'm not working, I'm with Kai.
00:31:41So like finding the time to even go on dates and do that kind of stuff is a bit difficult,
00:31:46I'll be honest with you.
00:31:47What would it take for you to introduce someone to your daughter?
00:31:51I think I'd have to be really serious about that woman and like maybe plan on marrying her
00:31:57before she'd be introduced to my daughter.
00:31:58But before the woman gets a ring, she's going to meet Kai, right?
00:32:04You're like wedding day.
00:32:05I'd have to decide.
00:32:06No, man, like maybe like on the third day, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to marry this woman.
00:32:09Nah, you can meet my bird.
00:32:11Meet my daughter, sorry.
00:32:12Yeah.
00:32:13My daughter can meet my bird.
00:32:14Or you can meet my chickens.
00:32:17It's up to you.
00:32:19Hold on, hold on.
00:32:20You're saying that bird.
00:32:22Bird is a northern.
00:32:23You call bird.
00:32:24You're female, you're bird.
00:32:25You're female.
00:32:25Okay, okay.
00:32:26I was like, she's meeting the chickens?
00:32:28No, she's meeting my girlfriend.
00:32:30Maybe the girlfriend first meets the girls.
00:32:32Yeah, the chickens.
00:32:33Then the turtles.
00:32:34And then slowly, if the vibe is right, Kai one day.
00:32:37I just feel like there's a lot of pressure, you know?
00:32:39Like call me old school when I say this, but like I wouldn't want to ever put that kind
00:32:44of pressure on somebody else even, you know?
00:32:46Like meet my daughter, have a relationship with her, then don't work out between me and
00:32:50you.
00:32:51And then you've gone somewhere and my daughter's got this relationship with you and she don't
00:32:54get to see you again.
00:32:55Kind of sucks, you know?
00:32:57Like I wouldn't want to put her through that.
00:32:59It's kind of on me.
00:33:00So I feel like I have to be smarter about that.
00:33:03And obviously I'm joking.
00:33:04Like maybe if I was dating a bird for like a decent amount of time, five, six months properly,
00:33:08I would get serious and I'd say, oh yeah, like, do you want to meet my daughter, you
00:33:12know?
00:33:13When I know she's not crazy.
00:33:15Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:16You need to like really make sure you're like putting her through tests and finally you're
00:33:20like, okay, you have passed the not crazy test.
00:33:23Now is the next step.
00:33:24Now you can meet Kai.
00:33:25You've obviously been in a public relationship before.
00:33:28Would you be open to that again?
00:33:30Or are we going full private?
00:33:33No.
00:33:33Yeah, no.
00:33:35Yeah, I'm not looking for a public relationship again.
00:33:37And just out of experience, no, you know, offense to anybody that I have been in public
00:33:44relationships with before.
00:33:45I've just learned from it that it don't work for me, you know?
00:33:48I'm quite a private person.
00:33:50I don't really strive for people's, you know, approval or attention.
00:33:55So the relationship should really be between me and that person.
00:33:59And I think that personality type would, somebody who doesn't want to do that would be more
00:34:05suited to me, you know?
00:34:06Oh my God.
00:34:07Maybe you're going to find like a Pennsylvania baddie.
00:34:09Because like girls in Pennsylvania don't expect, you know.
00:34:13Some bad Amish bud.
00:34:14Yeah.
00:34:15And they're like, oh, I didn't expect this life in like the limelight.
00:34:18Like it's fine if we never leave the farm.
00:34:20Yeah.
00:34:21Okay.
00:34:21Keep me updated.
00:34:22Good to know.
00:34:24All the girls in Pennsylvania are like, I must find him back on the dating apps.
00:34:29For 10 really formative years of your life, from 17 to about 27, you were in serious relationships.
00:34:37This is kind of the longest you've ever publicly been single.
00:34:42What was the scariest part of being alone for the first time?
00:34:47Again?
00:34:48You didn't care.
00:34:50I don't find being alone scary.
00:34:53Like, again, I think it links to the other question you asked me about like how you cool
00:34:57with yourself.
00:34:59I'm cool with myself.
00:35:01I like my own thoughts.
00:35:03I like to do things myself.
00:35:05I like to be in my own company.
00:35:07I'm not codependent like that at all.
00:35:10Even with my parents.
00:35:11Like I love them.
00:35:12I respect them.
00:35:13They're always there if I need them.
00:35:14But I'm not codependent on them.
00:35:16You know, I don't need to speak to them every single day and check things with them.
00:35:22So it wasn't really scary for me.
00:35:24Honestly, again, no disrespect to all the past relationships I've been in because people
00:35:29tend to take things out of context.
00:35:31No disrespect at all.
00:35:33It was freeing.
00:35:34Like, I am that type of person who, you know, runs on my own clock, answers to myself.
00:35:40So it was so freeing to me.
00:35:42I could just do things, make plans, sleep into whatever time I want.
00:35:46You know what I mean?
00:35:46It's nice.
00:35:47Like, go to bed whatever time I want, eat what I want, like eat in the bed.
00:35:51Like, all kinds of shit, you know, that like is not cool when you're in a couple.
00:35:56So, yeah, it's just been freeing for me and no pressure, you know, like I can't really
00:36:02get in trouble that way either, you know.
00:36:04I tend to get in trouble in relationships too because I was young and, you know, did
00:36:09certain things, you know, spoke to other females when I shouldn't have been, as most
00:36:13people do.
00:36:14You live and learn from it.
00:36:15But this way, there's no guilt, you know.
00:36:17I can just be free and speak to whoever I want.
00:36:20And, you know, hopefully if I meet somebody that I want to be serious with, I'll have
00:36:24spent enough time in this place to know that I want to be with that person and be committed
00:36:29to them.
00:36:29It's a great point.
00:36:30It's like you can acknowledge you messed up when you were younger and you're not proud
00:36:34of it.
00:36:34But also like unless you're ready to get into a relationship where you know you can be
00:36:39faithful.
00:36:39You know we keep doing the same thing, you know.
00:36:40Yeah.
00:36:41But, okay, I feel like there's a difference between enjoying your own company and then self-isolation.
00:36:46Have you ever intentionally self-isolated?
00:36:51Yes.
00:36:52To a certain degree, I think I did a little bit like after the band, you know, like I
00:36:58took a bit of time to myself.
00:37:00But I wouldn't say it's complete isolation.
00:37:02I always still have people around, you know.
00:37:04My manager's always around that works with me and like my best friends come out and see
00:37:09me from time to time.
00:37:10Not as much as I'd like because it is quite a long flight.
00:37:13But I wouldn't say it's like self-isolation.
00:37:17It's more just like removing myself from the noise for a bit.
00:37:20You said that you're finally in a place now where you don't need another person to identify
00:37:24or find yourself in.
00:37:26That's what we're talking about.
00:37:27How in the past were you losing yourself in past relationships?
00:37:32I don't know if I was necessarily losing myself.
00:37:34I just felt like there was so many things I had to do in order for this other person to
00:37:39be happy and things that I didn't necessarily find enjoyment in, you know, like I'm not the
00:37:46type of dude that likes to go to five-star Michelin restaurants every night and get pictured
00:37:50and, you know, go here and go there.
00:37:52This person's invited you and they're really famous.
00:37:55You should go hang out with them.
00:37:56I'm like, you know, because we've both got the same job.
00:37:59You're just going to put us on a play date?
00:38:00Yeah, for me, like, it doesn't make sense like that.
00:38:05Yeah.
00:38:05So, yeah, I just tend to just stay away from them things.
00:38:11That's actually the best thing you've said today.
00:38:14I don't want to go on a play date with other famous people.
00:38:16Sue me.
00:38:17It's refreshing.
00:38:18But I think it's hard to not get caught up in that because I think there's so many people
00:38:22that can be like, this is how it goes when you get famous.
00:38:24I think so many people have so much value on that too.
00:38:27You know, the way the world runs is like, you know, who you're associated with is a reflection
00:38:31of you and people use that and, you know, social media to put off a false portrayance
00:38:38of whatever their life is and everything's hunky-dory and fairies and rainbows and in
00:38:42reality it doesn't quite work like that.
00:38:43I'm happy that I feel like enough people now are starting to see through that, like so many
00:38:49people doing things for social media and then the minute it happens or it's posted, a lot
00:38:54of times if you know the person you're like, wait, that is like not, they're not even that
00:38:58happy.
00:38:59Like that's literally bullshit.
00:39:00Like I just saw them crying at the club the other night, but they're like, and they're
00:39:04miserable.
00:39:05So it's like, that is such a sad and isolating life to live.
00:39:09And I have actually empathy for it because it's probably like feels very validating in
00:39:14the moment, but it's almost like a quick dopamine hit and then it's over.
00:39:17And so.
00:39:18And it usually extends from insecurity, right?
00:39:20Yes.
00:39:20Yes.
00:39:20And so you're sitting here being like, you've done so much work on yourself, you've always
00:39:24felt pretty good alone.
00:39:25And so now you need someone that can kind of meet you there instead, which is amazing.
00:39:30I'd like that.
00:39:30Yeah.
00:39:30I also feel like your twenties are all about making mistakes and figuring yourself out.
00:39:35And now in your thirties, you're really coming into your own.
00:39:38I asked you when I first interviewed you to describe yourself in three words.
00:39:44Yeah.
00:39:45What do you think you said?
00:39:47I have no idea.
00:39:48I probably said that's really difficult.
00:39:49I think you did say that, but then I forced you to answer.
00:39:53Okay.
00:39:53Give me three words that you would describe yourself as now.
00:39:56Then let's see if it's the same.
00:39:57I think one of the words was definitely chill.
00:40:00I don't know if it was.
00:40:01Correct.
00:40:01Was it?
00:40:01Yeah.
00:40:02Chill is on there.
00:40:03Two more.
00:40:04All right.
00:40:05So right now I would say chill, chill and chill.
00:40:10Zane.
00:40:10No, I'm joking.
00:40:11It's hard for me.
00:40:12I don't, I don't really like to talk about myself in that way, you know, like give myself
00:40:17an adjective.
00:40:18Well, you did it three years ago.
00:40:20Do you want to know?
00:40:21Yeah, I do.
00:40:21Yeah.
00:40:22Chill, funny, loving guy.
00:40:24Oh, there you go.
00:40:25Yeah.
00:40:25I like that.
00:40:26That's my guy.
00:40:29You're like, hey, I like him.
00:40:31Do you still relate?
00:40:32Yeah, definitely.
00:40:33Yeah.
00:40:33Okay.
00:40:34I think so.
00:40:35Love that.
00:40:36You said in an interview that you don't know if you've ever truly been in love.
00:40:39Do you still stand by that?
00:40:41Yeah.
00:40:42Yeah.
00:40:43Yeah.
00:40:44Because like my understanding of love is always developing, you know, at that moment
00:40:48in time, I might have thought it was love.
00:40:51But as I've got older, I realized maybe it wasn't.
00:40:55Maybe it was lust.
00:40:56Maybe it was this.
00:40:57Maybe it was that.
00:40:58I don't feel like it was love.
00:40:59And to be fair, like, just to say this on record, I will always love G because she's
00:41:05the reason my child isn't, you know, on this earth.
00:41:10And I have the utmost respect for her.
00:41:13I will always love her.
00:41:15But I don't know if I was ever in love with her.
00:41:17Yeah.
00:41:17I mean, I can imagine there's so much pressure.
00:41:20I agree.
00:41:21And even you having to clarify, like, everyone's always probably like, what are you thinking?
00:41:26Yeah, and that's right.
00:41:27Because before, even when I said it, I think people took it a type of way.
00:41:29So I'm just like, yo, I have so much respect for this woman.
00:41:32And I do love her a crazy amount.
00:41:35But yeah, no, I don't think I was in love with her at that point.
00:41:38Otherwise, I would have been a better version of myself.
00:41:41Yeah.
00:41:42I think that's fair to say.
00:41:45Anxiety.
00:41:46We talked about it when you came on the show last time.
00:41:49How are you managing those feelings today?
00:41:53Again, I think I said this to you before, but like anxiety is a thing that I think, you
00:41:59know, all of us are dealing with.
00:42:00We just now have a word to explain it.
00:42:03And you feel that in, you know, small increments throughout your day.
00:42:07Certain situation might make you feel something.
00:42:09But one thing I've learned since becoming a father is that it's good to overcome them
00:42:13feelings and push through it.
00:42:15Because, you know, I'm sat here all the time telling my daughter to do things and, you
00:42:19know, just get over it.
00:42:20You'll be fine.
00:42:20You'll be cool.
00:42:21And I'm a bit of a hypocrite if I'm not doing that myself.
00:42:23Yeah.
00:42:24You went from disappearing from the public eye, essentially, to now coming back, doing
00:42:28a Vegas residency and a full stadium and arena tour.
00:42:33What shifted for you in that headspace?
00:42:36I think it was around like 2020.
00:42:41I was wanting to go back on tour anyway.
00:42:46Like whenever I drive past the like arena or something, I was like, I don't mind performing
00:42:50there.
00:42:51What's this arena called?
00:42:52And I kept asking the question and it was kind of going to happen.
00:42:55And then COVID came and destroyed the entire world.
00:42:59So, you know, that old saying, if you want to make God laugh, try to come up with your own
00:43:03plan. And then when that happened, it just spurred me further.
00:43:09This want and desire to like kind of be back on stage.
00:43:11And again, I know I always bring it back to Kai since she's being born, but it's kind of
00:43:16just wanting to show her that like I can do it.
00:43:19And like, this is what your dad does.
00:43:21You know, this is my job.
00:43:24Yeah, I don't want it to be watching old videos of me in the band, you know, like doesn't
00:43:28even really look like me anymore.
00:43:29You're like, I'm way more handsome now, guys.
00:43:33Do you think that your vocals have gotten better since then, too?
00:43:38I'd like to think so.
00:43:39Yeah, I think so.
00:43:41Appreciate it.
00:43:42When you are feeling overwhelmed or anxious, what does help calm you down?
00:43:50Weed.
00:43:51OK.
00:43:51Are you growing that on the farm, too?
00:43:53I'm joking.
00:43:54Is it legal?
00:43:55I aren't growing that on the farm.
00:43:56No, I don't think that's legal, actually.
00:43:59Um, but yeah, no, honestly, meditation, mindfulness, you know, being grateful for things.
00:44:07Are you doing meditation apps or are you doing it just alone?
00:44:10Myself.
00:44:11Yeah, just sit and breathe and think about things in a nice, quiet, you know, contemplative
00:44:15place and and think about things.
00:44:17And I think it always is helpful to name like three things you're grateful for and everything
00:44:22else kind of like subsides a little bit.
00:44:25Should we do that right now?
00:44:26Yeah.
00:44:26What are three things you're grateful for?
00:44:28Um, for Kai, first and foremost, I'm grateful for my career and I'm grateful for my family.
00:44:39Wow.
00:44:40Beautiful.
00:44:40Throughout your career, there have been instances and kind of like what you were just talking
00:44:45about, like so much pressure on you where people are going to take things out of context
00:44:49and looking at you like there have been a few instances where people are looking for
00:44:53you to respond publicly during an emotional, personal situation.
00:44:57Like, how do you handle that pressure?
00:45:02Again, it's not really a pressure.
00:45:04Like, I feel like there's a pressure on you if you feel the need to argue a point or, you
00:45:10know, you feel so adamant that you, you know, you need to rectify what's being said.
00:45:14Me personally, if it's not true, I don't give a shit.
00:45:20Like there's, there's so many things that people say that are untrue.
00:45:23And if I was going to sit there and go through all them things, I won't have any time in my
00:45:28day to do anything else.
00:45:29Like, so I just try not to think about it.
00:45:31I'm not really a social media person.
00:45:34I don't have social media on my phone.
00:45:36If there's something that's going on social media, I speak to my manager or my assistant
00:45:40and say, put this up on social media.
00:45:43I don't scroll.
00:45:44Don't do the doom scrolling shit.
00:45:46I just don't see anything.
00:45:47You know, I just kind of live in my, in my own world.
00:45:50Yeah.
00:45:51And it's nice.
00:45:53There isn't no pressure for me in that sense because I don't allow that pressure to,
00:45:57to be in my life.
00:45:58It's great.
00:45:59Obviously you have been on massive tours before, but during those, you were on the stage with
00:46:04other people.
00:46:05This time you're out there by yourself.
00:46:08How are you approaching it and how does it feel different than having four people standing
00:46:13next to you?
00:46:14Yeah.
00:46:14The first couple of shows I did on the Stairway to the Sky tour, it was kind of weird.
00:46:20You know, I'd done a couple of odd songs here and there, like on TV shows and stuff,
00:46:24like one song, but not done like a whole show.
00:46:28So yeah, it was a little bit strange, you know, I took a little bit of adjustment, not
00:46:31being able to look to somebody else singing, but I have my band on stage with me.
00:46:37But yeah, not, not much conscious, like decision-making, like, oh, I'm going to do this different
00:46:41from the band.
00:46:42What can fans, if they haven't been, expect from a Zayn show?
00:46:48Hopefully some decent vocals, not too much movement.
00:46:53Me just kind of stood center stage.
00:46:55Would you ever do a little dance?
00:46:57It's not really my thing.
00:46:58I have self-professed always to never really be a dancer in that sense.
00:47:03I don't, I don't think I take myself serious enough to like pull that off, you know, like.
00:47:08Why can I like not picture you dancing?
00:47:11Because it's, it's just a weird thought.
00:47:13Yeah.
00:47:13Even if you put me on AI dancing, it looks a bit weird.
00:47:17You're like, that just, that's definitely AI.
00:47:19You're like, if you see me dancing online, that is AI.
00:47:22That was never me.
00:47:24You recently are, I know you said you don't have social media, but I'm assuming this has
00:47:28come back to you.
00:47:29You are all over the internet right now because you made a joke the other night on stage about
00:47:36people's high ticket prices.
00:47:38I never specified no names, you know, people have high ticket prices all over the place.
00:47:43Couldn't be talking about anybody.
00:47:45Take it as you want.
00:47:47Fair.
00:47:47Okay.
00:47:48Can we talk about your new music?
00:47:49Like, what themes are you really diving into on this album?
00:47:54Yeah.
00:47:55So the, um, the new album, Conocoat, um, is, uh, the derivative of a lot of inspiration
00:48:05from, you know, my Indian heritage and culture.
00:48:08Um, I've always put, you know, like little soul things in there, little ad libs here and
00:48:12there, even on Dusk Till Dawn with Sia.
00:48:14Um, and it's something I've always liked to show the world, you know, like I can sing like
00:48:20this too.
00:48:21Um, so we went into, into that a little bit more.
00:48:24Conocoat is, uh, in its definition is the, um, act of creating percussive sounds with your
00:48:31voice.
00:48:31So like drum sounds.
00:48:32So I made a lot of the production out of my own voice.
00:48:37So I'm singing like layers and layers of different vocals to make the beat.
00:48:42Um, and once we started doing it, like, like first three, four songs, I was like, yeah, the
00:48:48whole record needs to be like this.
00:48:49So just let into that and, um, drop, drew a lot of inspiration from that.
00:48:54Yeah.
00:48:55So when we're listening to this, we can know that a lot of what we're hearing is actually
00:48:58your own voice.
00:48:59He's my voice, even the drum sounds and stuff, yeah, and some of them, yeah, like they're
00:49:02being affected to make them sound like a drum, but I'm singing them.
00:49:06Oh, that's sick.
00:49:10That's the drum rhythm too.
00:49:12Wait, that makes it even, this is just giving me even more color to what to expect.
00:49:17That's incredible.
00:49:18Can you tell me a little bit about your new single, Die For Me?
00:49:22I've had that song for years.
00:49:24I've had that song for like five, six years, I think.
00:49:29Um, I had it even before Room, um, cut it a while ago, um, and it was just a great song,
00:49:35but it didn't feel like it fit on Room because Room was such a raw, like different kind of
00:49:39like single songwriter project thing, um, that it felt too, you know, produced and too clean
00:49:45and crisp, but I didn't write that song.
00:49:47Yeah.
00:49:47I have no problem professing when I don't write songs either.
00:49:50It was just a banger of a song.
00:49:52Uh, I heard it and they asked if I wanted it.
00:49:54So I said, yeah, and I cut it and it turned out really well.
00:49:57Yeah.
00:49:58Did you relate to any of the themes of like-
00:50:00For sure.
00:50:01Yeah.
00:50:01I'd be silly if I, you know, if I said I didn't relate to the themes.
00:50:03I did definitely.
00:50:05Uh, but I also felt the power of the song.
00:50:06Like it feels like it's a big, like radio song.
00:50:09Um, and I wanted to come back with that kind of energy, you know?
00:50:12When you are personally writing and you're writing about a specific situation or a specific
00:50:18person, like, have you ever shown people music ahead of time that's going to be about
00:50:22them?
00:50:23Or are you like, no way?
00:50:24If it's about them, never.
00:50:26No.
00:50:27Yeah.
00:50:28Have you had people call you and be like, Zayn, is this one about me?
00:50:31I, I honestly, I think if anyone knows me, like they'd know it was about them, you know,
00:50:36like they don't need to call me, but they know me well enough at that point.
00:50:40They'd be like, this song's definitely about me.
00:50:42They're like, oh shit.
00:50:43Yeah.
00:50:43What song of yours from this album were you the most nervous to have be released?
00:50:51That's interesting.
00:50:52Um, there's a few songs on there.
00:50:55There's a song on there, uh, called Side Effects.
00:50:58Um, that I was a bit like, I don't know if I want to put this out.
00:51:02Um, and then the more and more I listened to it, I was like, you know what?
00:51:05It's, it's honest, you know, it's, it lives in reality.
00:51:09And I'm sure so many people have felt this way.
00:51:11Um, so for that reason, I, I was like, it needs to go on there.
00:51:15Yeah.
00:51:15It's real.
00:51:17The theme of that one, I'm pretty sure is the one where you kind of talk about the shortcomings.
00:51:20Is that one of kind of being.
00:51:21Yeah.
00:51:22Like the side effects of loving me, you know, instead of like how you made me feel from loving
00:51:26you, it's like, I understand that I might've made you feel a type of way too.
00:51:31You know what I mean?
00:51:31It's pretty mature.
00:51:33Self-admittance.
00:51:34Yeah.
00:51:35It takes a lot to admit that it does take two to tango.
00:51:38And when there's issues, it's not just one person.
00:51:40And we have obviously discussed, you're a pretty private person.
00:51:43Like how do you decide when you want to share parts of your life in music?
00:51:50Cause that again, like people can read into things.
00:51:53Like how much do you put thought into that?
00:51:56For me, it's like at the end of the day, I could right now, after this interview, go on
00:52:02Twitter, I could go on Instagram and I could put some real cheap up on there.
00:52:07You know what I mean?
00:52:08Get a quick reaction.
00:52:10For me with the music, it has so much more class to it.
00:52:13It's poetry.
00:52:14There's thought gone into it.
00:52:16There's production.
00:52:17It's classy, you know?
00:52:19So that's why I'm like, yeah, I'll talk about these things here because it's art and it stays
00:52:25there.
00:52:25It's not just a random fucking text.
00:52:28You know what I mean?
00:52:29It's not a tweet.
00:52:30No, it's not a tweet.
00:52:31You're like, just listen to it in the song.
00:52:33Okay.
00:52:33I said enough.
00:52:34How do you feel when people try to connect the dots of, oh my gosh, speculating about
00:52:39these lyrics must be about this person?
00:52:41People are always going to do that.
00:52:44You know, even if I bring a song out next week about, you know, I always wanted to be
00:52:48a clown and be in the circus, people will be like, oh shit, they wanted to be a clown in
00:52:52the circus.
00:52:52You know what I mean?
00:52:53I mean, yeah, I don't really feel the type of way about it.
00:52:57Like they're always going to say something and the music that I use and the songs that
00:53:02I write myself usually have some correlation to my reality too.
00:53:07So I'm cool with that.
00:53:08Yeah.
00:53:09They can connect the dots wherever they want.
00:53:10They might not always connect them correctly, but that's what makes it interesting.
00:53:15Yeah.
00:53:15Okay.
00:53:16Top three favorite songs from the album.
00:53:19Top favorite three.
00:53:20Okay, used to the blues is definitely my favorite, I think.
00:53:26It's just different.
00:53:27Feels a bit different for a Zayn song.
00:53:29It's got a bit more of a hip hop production to it.
00:53:32That, I really like side effects.
00:53:35And there's another song called Sideways.
00:53:38Okay.
00:53:39Favorite lyric.
00:53:42I miss looking at you sideways.
00:53:48When did you come up with that one?
00:53:50A while ago.
00:53:52It's been in your notes app.
00:53:53Yeah.
00:53:53You were wondering when you should.
00:53:55When do I release this to the world?
00:53:57And when you write something like that, is that you sitting on the farm, daydreaming
00:54:03or meditating, having a thought and being like, that's an interesting line.
00:54:08And then you write it down.
00:54:09Yeah.
00:54:10Yeah.
00:54:11Pretty much.
00:54:12When do you think you have those revelations of a new lyric the most?
00:54:18Like, are you, is it when you're in the studio?
00:54:21Is it when you're just chilling at home?
00:54:23Usually the best lyrics, yeah.
00:54:25They don't come like when you've planned to be in the studio.
00:54:29You can plan as much as you want.
00:54:30But my lyrics usually come to me late at night.
00:54:34Like, I'm a bit of a night owl.
00:54:36That time just before you go to sleep is a weird one for me because I don't go to sleep.
00:54:42I just stay awake, like, writing things because my mind's just going crazy at that time.
00:54:49But in this, like, studio run, I managed to get a lot out in the studio session.
00:54:55So I think it just really depends.
00:54:57You know, if you've got a bit of information pent up, ready to go, it'll be there for you.
00:55:03If you're not really living any life, doing anything, then I'm not going to have shit
00:55:06to talk about.
00:55:07You know what I mean?
00:55:08Yeah.
00:55:08I just thought about that as you're saying a lot of things come to you at night.
00:55:10I'm like, okay, I miss looking at you sideways.
00:55:14I'm assuming is basically you're, like, laying in bed and you're staring at each other while
00:55:18your heads are both on the pillow and you can't help but think, like, yeah, that may
00:55:22have come to you while you were laying there wishing that person was there.
00:55:25Yeah.
00:55:26Okay.
00:55:27Love that.
00:55:28Okay.
00:55:29What are you most proud of with this album?
00:55:34Honestly, the fact that people still give a shit.
00:55:36I'll be honest with you.
00:55:37Like five solo albums now, I was just buzzing that, you know, I got to do a first one, like
00:55:44after the band, like people seem to care, you know, some five records deep now.
00:55:50So I guess I'm really proud of the progression and just the development and understanding of
00:55:58myself through my music.
00:56:00What do you want fans to take from this album?
00:56:05I want them to get a bit more insight on, you know, maybe my culture and heritage and
00:56:11maybe even, you know, find a new word.
00:56:13I don't know if too many people are familiar with the word conical.
00:56:17Yeah.
00:56:17Okay.
00:56:19When you think back to who you were when you first started your career to who you are sitting
00:56:26here today, how would you describe your evolution as an artist?
00:56:33Fucking huge arc, you know, from standing on stage in Manchester singing Mario Let Me Love
00:56:40view, a cappella, not knowing what production was, anything, wearing my uncle's clothes.
00:56:48There's been a bit of progression, you know, I'd like to say.
00:56:50I've developed my own style a little bit.
00:56:52I know a bit more about music.
00:56:54I know what keys now.
00:56:56I know what pitches, all these things that I had no clue of.
00:57:00Yeah.
00:57:00So there's been a lot of development.
00:57:02But I think, again, just to bring it back there, the most development has been in me
00:57:08as a human being, you know, like just growing.
00:57:11Yeah.
00:57:11What do you think overall when you look back at that young boy on that stage singing Mario
00:57:17Let Me Love You to now, like, what do you wish?
00:57:20Big balls.
00:57:21No, literally.
00:57:22Big balls.
00:57:2317-year-old kid don't have a clue.
00:57:25He's so confident.
00:57:26What is he doing?
00:57:28So cute.
00:57:29Is there anything at that point you wish you could have told your younger self?
00:57:34I say it all the time.
00:57:35Yeah.
00:57:35I wish I could go back to that 17-year-old version of me and say, well done, like, for
00:57:40being that brave.
00:57:42Like, because I don't know if somebody asked me in my 30s, if I had no experience before,
00:57:47would you go standing singing for the Simon Cowell?
00:57:49I would have done it.
00:57:50You know, I would have been like, no, no way.
00:57:51Wow.
00:57:52And look where it got you.
00:57:54Yeah.
00:57:54It was an honor to sit down with you again.
00:57:56I think back to being in Pennsylvania with you.
00:57:59I remember, well, first of all, that was just so weird because you literally walked through
00:58:02my parents' house and I was like, I'm struggling.
00:58:04Like, you're walking through my parents' doors and like, I grew up here.
00:58:08It was so nice though.
00:58:08It was so cool.
00:58:09It was such a different environment.
00:58:10Like, for me to be in like a house and doing an interview, I think that's why the interview
00:58:14went well.
00:58:15It felt good and relaxed and true.
00:58:16It didn't feel like an intrusive interview.
00:58:18It felt like we were just chatting as friends.
00:58:20It was really fun and you were so sweet.
00:58:22And you brought me a housewarming gift, even though that was...
00:58:24I got you some more stuff as well.
00:58:25Zane?
00:58:26Yeah?
00:58:27You got me so much stuff.
00:58:28My team was like, do you want to come see all this?
00:58:32I was like, you bought me basically everything I could have thought of and more.
00:58:36I heard that you like all the same stuff as me.
00:58:38So I was like, yeah, I'm going to have to send you some stuff.
00:58:40All the snacks, all the merch.
00:58:42I put loads of British stuff in there.
00:58:43I know.
00:58:43I saw it.
00:58:44Trust me.
00:58:45I've already gotten into it.
00:58:46I was eating the chips.
00:58:47I was like, you're a real one.
00:58:50But no, it's been really cool to get to know you.
00:58:52And I think like my favorite thing about my job is to get to progress with someone where
00:58:57it's like we met at a certain period in time and then to now sit here with you,
00:59:01like, you feel more relaxed.
00:59:04Like you feel more at ease.
00:59:07And I don't know what you would attribute that to, but like I can feel it in you.
00:59:11And it's really cool to see that.
00:59:12I appreciate you saying that.
00:59:13Yeah.
00:59:13No, obviously that interview that we did was like one of the first interviews I've done
00:59:17in a long time.
00:59:18So again, it's that like anxiety, you know, preempting what the situation is going to be.
00:59:23And then you're there and it's very different, you know.
00:59:26It has been three years since then.
00:59:28I've been working a lot more, been getting into the rhythm of things and I feel a lot more
00:59:33chill and a lot more confident, you know, in this environment.
00:59:36And I'm enjoying myself.
00:59:38Well, I'm happy you called me and I think we're going to have to do this again in three
00:59:42years.
00:59:43Let's do it.
00:59:44You guys didn't actually think we were done yet, did you?
00:59:47Zayn and I obviously have a little surprise to end the night.
00:59:51So, let's go.
01:00:04You have to stop giving me gifts.
01:00:06Huh?
01:00:06Zayn.
01:00:06It's just noodles.
01:00:07It's not, not, nothing that expensive.
01:00:09It's some crisper noodles.
01:00:10I'm dead at this.
01:00:11Yeah.
01:00:12Stick the chips in the noodles.
01:00:14Yeah.
01:00:14And I got you this too.
01:00:17Zayn, how much have you spent on the boo-boos?
01:00:19We won't discuss that on camp.
01:00:21Don't lie.
01:00:23Welcome.
01:00:25Oh my God.
01:00:26Wait, Zayn, this is sick.
01:00:27You know.
01:00:27It's like the calm before the storm.
01:00:30I am so happy we got to reunite.
01:00:32Thank you so much for just letting me into the behind the scenes of your world.
01:00:36I'm so happy for you.
01:00:37This has been such a massive success.
01:00:38I can't wait for the album.
01:00:40And more importantly, I can't wait to see you out there tonight.
01:00:42Thank you so much.
01:00:43Love you.
01:00:44You're the best.
01:00:45I hope you have a good time tonight.
01:00:46Oh my God, I will.
01:00:47Hopefully I can put on a good show for you.
01:00:48Dance for us out there.
01:00:50Alright, yeah.
01:00:50I have like not a chance.
01:00:51Get a little wiggle crack.
01:00:52Bye, Zayn.
01:00:53See you later, Alex.
01:00:54Alright, who wants to air my next single?
01:00:58Die For Me.
01:00:59Here it is.
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