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00:00ITV. Come on in.
00:07Oh, man. Teenager's diary.
00:10It's not an easy read, is it?
00:12Nope.
00:13We have a DNA match from the window that you smashed.
00:15I'd been in there the previous evening,
00:17seeing the silverware.
00:18It was an utterly shameful thing to do.
00:20It's finished me.
00:21She's kicked me out, Jamie. Can I kip at yours for a bit?
00:24Find a hotel like a normal person.
00:26You might just want to consider something, though.
00:28I know stuff about your boy.
00:30Elliot Hollis, he was about to turn 16.
00:32Two arrests and one for stealing his dad's car.
00:35I think we should prioritize Chris Lowe right now.
00:37He'd used his credit card to visit child abuse websites.
00:40Is there any way that you and us can go and stay for the next few days
00:43that Christopher doesn't know about?
00:45Your mum, she's now threatened to go to the police
00:48with evidence of some wrongdoing I've apparently committed.
00:51He abused me mentally, physically, sometimes even sexually.
00:55That's not a violent man. I like them.
00:57I'm slightly losing the plot.
00:59You're just tired. It just makes everything seem worse.
01:01I wish to apologize to Mr. Carr and his family.
01:04We will be seeking prosecution for any online activity
01:07that seeks to incite violence against Mr. Carr.
01:11Peter Carr.
01:12Not so dangerous.
01:13No!
01:14No!
01:15No!
01:16No!
01:17No!
01:19The
01:32Who
01:33allons
01:34All we do is, all we do is lie and wait I've been upside down
01:44I don't wanna be the right way around Can't find paradise on the ground
01:51Over here!
02:12Well, we all mess up, we're all fallible, we've all done things of which we are ashamed
02:16The trick in life, I think, is knowing which things we should forgive ourselves for and which not
02:23Except I'm not sure it really is that
02:26The suspect is a white male, mid-forties, wearing a navy top and a grey baseball cap
02:30He was last seen walking towards a burly road and the witness here said he had a knife in his hand
02:34Over!
02:35I think a part of me wonders if I'm just coming to a natural conclusion here
02:40I've been doing this for 28 years
02:43There are other things to do in life
02:49Not like this
02:51So why did you retire?
02:53I didn't retire, I was A-19 in the cutbacks
02:57Truth is, what I did, what you still do
03:01When you lose it, you realise what a privilege it was
03:04To be able to help people, often at the very worst moment of their lives, find faith in the world again
03:11Because I genuinely believe that's a big part of what we do
03:14Restore a little shape, a little order, a little meaning to the world
03:19I mean, not so much on traffic duty, but...
03:21And obviously, naked gun
03:31Obviously, naked gun
03:32And Midnight Run
03:33Oh man, Midnight Run
03:34Yeah
03:35Definitely
03:36And Fargo, are we on there?
03:37The door and tootin'
03:38Okay, hon
03:39Oxygen's at 100, but his BP and SATs are very low now
03:44Get me four units of red sales
03:46Well, that was a great evening, thank you
03:50Everybody likes to do it again sometime
03:53Yeah, me too
03:55Alright, this is me
03:57Well, anyway
04:07Goodnight then
04:14Goodnight
04:22Yes, it went very well, and no, I did a snogging
04:24Right, sorry boss, that's not what I was ringing about
04:27What?
04:28Pete Carr
04:29He's been attacked, outside his office
04:31Stabbed
04:32Oh, no
04:34Well, they say he's gonna be okay, but...
04:38No, no
04:39He still had the knife on him when they nicked him
04:55Oh, who was he?
04:57Some local nutjob, links to far-right groups
04:59Got g'd up by all the online paedophile stuff
05:02Oh
05:03So we go after all those fuckers
05:05Absolutely
05:06She's exaggerating
05:19Tim and I were out for about 45 minutes
05:21And Pete just went down the pub
05:23And Chris Lane?
05:24I don't know where Chris went, you'd have to ask him
05:26But you accept you were all out of the house
05:29At various points between 9pm and midnight
05:32Yes
05:33So why did you lie?
05:34I would have thought that had become blindingly obvious
05:36I thought there was a very good chance that anything I told you would be leaked
05:39And given that my best friend is now in an intensive care unit
05:42Entirely because of you
05:44I think I had pretty good reason to be nervous
05:50Can we move on to your car, Miss Dardis?
05:52Which in fact matches exactly the description of a car that was seen driving erratically
05:56Approximately 12.20am on the morning that Hayley went missing
06:01And how many dark saloons with trailer bars would there be in a holiday area?
06:05We didn't ask for your opinion, Miss Graham
06:07Although she's right
06:08But I suspect even my ex-wife will confirm that I was in the house in bed at 12.20am
06:13How old was your son that New Year's Eve, James?
06:25How old was Elliot?
06:28Fifteen
06:30Actually only a few weeks off
06:33Sixteen I believe
06:34And sadly quite a troubled young man it seems
06:38Already arrested twice for possession of cannabis
06:41Once for ecstasy
06:44And just one month before New Year's Eve 1999
06:47For stealing his dad's car and driving it whilst drunk
06:50Which is why I have to ask you, James
06:53Did Elliot take your car that night?
06:57No
06:58Maybe he came across Hayley
07:00Maybe hitchhiking somewhere, picked her up
07:03Something happened between them
07:05Something went wrong
07:06Elliot's never heard a fly
07:08Maybe it was an accident
07:10The car was seen to be driving erratically
07:12Maybe he was drunk, maybe he knocked her down
07:14It was a dark wet night
07:15But in either instance
07:17You found out
07:18And agreed to drive the body back up to London
07:21To obscure your son's involvement
07:23The idea that I would drive the dead body of a young girl
07:26My son had killed to London
07:28Is as absurd as it is abhorrent
07:33Well then can we ask you why
07:35When we first interviewed you
07:36You referred to your son as a little boy?
07:39A turn of phrase
07:41Really?
07:42We think it was deliberate
07:44We think that you didn't want us to even consider the idea
07:46That there was effectively another adult in the house that night
07:49And I think
07:50I don't want my client answering any more questions about his son
07:53So unless you have any actual evidence
07:55Rather than shot in the dark theories
07:57I think we're done here
07:58Okay?
08:08Amy
08:09We spoke to Maria Pates
08:13Conscious and talking
08:14Stay strong fella, stay strong
08:18Yeah you too
08:19It was stupid
08:24And I apologise
08:26Case of misguided loyalty
08:28Misguided loyalty to whom?
08:30Jamie
08:32He rang us all after he'd first been interviewed by you
08:36And he said he told you that we all stayed in that night
08:41The inference I took was that we should all say the same
08:45Why do you think he wanted you to lie?
08:48Well at first I thought it was because of his profile
08:51That he didn't want the press latching onto him
08:54And yeah I was happy to go along with that
08:57Because I didn't for a nanosecond believe there was any
09:01Um
09:02Darker motive
09:04Except then yesterday
09:07Pete rang me
09:09Pete Carl
09:11And he told me something about Jamie's son
09:14Told you what?
09:16He said he'd seen Elliot
09:19Climbing into the house
09:21Through a first fall window
09:23At around two in the morning on New Year's Day
09:38Okay, so where are we with Elliot Hollis?
09:41Still looking for him
09:43For all it's worth
09:44I just pulled this off an online employment site
09:47Which he signed up to in 2007
09:48When he was living in the States with his dad
09:50It details holiday work on a building site in the UK
09:53So
09:54Okay
09:55Let's check James Hollis' car
09:57The BMW
09:58I want to see its service history
10:00Maybe speak to the ex again
10:01Check both their bank statements
10:02Insurance companies
10:03I want to know if the car had any body work repairs done
10:06In the months immediately after Hayley died
10:13I just want to say I'm sorry Pete
10:15I was angry and shocked and
10:20But I also know in my heart you're a good man
10:24Yeah, you've done some silly things, we both know that
10:28But
10:30You're a good man
10:32And I want you to hear that I know that
10:37Basically I think Hayley used a sort of code in her diary
10:43I'm guessing for if her mum read it so she wouldn't know what she was referring to
10:47So first up, when she has sex I think she calls it tea
10:52And then, and I think this is actually more important
10:54When she says she had some cake I think she's saying she took drugs
10:58So this is just a small selection of the times these words appear
11:01But you can see a really clear pattern
11:03Some great cake at Marley's, then went shopping, very nice trip
11:06Went clubbing in Portsmouth, ate Kate up till 6
11:09Had tea and Kate with age, his birthday present to me
11:12Just what I always wanted
11:14And the reason I think this is significant is this reference here
11:18This is dated two days before she disappeared
11:21And here she says she's gonna get us some cake for the New Year party
11:27I think this is why she left work earlier
11:30I think Jesus was where she was going
11:32Dealer maybe, or a friend who was selling her some gear
11:36I mean it might explain how she could have been in the vicinity of the spinney
11:42Which from the pub is the opposite direction to the party
11:47Nice work Fran
11:49Okay, can we liaise with Hampshire police and local drug dealers
11:53Then and now
11:55But really good work Fran
11:58Thanks guys
12:00Shall we?
12:02Miller, hi, it's me
12:05Um, I'm sorry I haven't rung before
12:08But I just needed some time on my own to think things through
12:12And I wanted to say
12:15That don't believe what you might hear about me from the police
12:20I'm not a bad man
12:21I made some mistakes but I'm not a bad man
12:24So why did you lie Christopher?
12:43I lied, um, because from the moment Hayley Reed went missing I've sort of believed that at some point somebody would knock on my door wanting to blame me
12:51Which I believe for a number of reasons none of which include me having anything to do with her death
12:58Um, in late December 1999
13:04I was in a bad way mentally
13:08I was in the manic phase I know now of a bipolar episode
13:11Exacerbated by overwork and by personal event
13:15That had profoundly traumatized me
13:20And on New Year's Eve
13:22In addition to me idiotically taking some cocaine
13:25It overwhelmed me
13:27And I became very unwell, I think
13:30I ended up
13:32Well, leaving the house and just, just walking
13:35Uh, out of nowhere
13:37For a couple of hours
13:39And then finally when I returned I was exhausted and I fell asleep almost immediately
13:44And then the next day
13:46News started to filter through about this, this missing local girl
13:51And, uh, because of this personal thing that had happened
13:56And I suppose to a degree because of my poor mental health
13:59I became obsessed
14:01That the, uh, the police would come for me
14:04That a knock on the door was imminent
14:06But it, it, it, it didn't actually come
14:08Not that day, nor the next, nor the day after
14:10It didn't come
14:11But, uh, I never stopped waiting for it
14:14So when you finally showed up to you here, Stuart
14:18In my head I went straight back to those first few days after Hayley Reed went missing
14:21I felt the same fear, the same all-consuming panic
14:23And yeah, I lied
14:24I lied
14:25I lied
14:26About, about where I was that night
14:28But that is all that I learned about
14:30Because I swear
14:31I, I, I didn't hurt Hayley Reed
14:34I never even met her
14:36And this event that, uh, you fed into your paranoia
14:40What was that?
14:43Yeah, so, uh, on October the 12th, 1999
14:47I was arrested for credit card payments to online child sex abuse sites
14:53Well, the card was the business one
14:55Which meant that I was arrested at the office
14:57And the police told my business partner, Helen
14:59Um, because I sometimes visited commercial shoots involving children
15:04She then told the board
15:07And in January 2000, she told my wife
15:11Two months later, when I was charged, the board sacked me
15:14And my wife filed for divorce
15:16So, within four months of my arrest
15:20Yeah, I lost, uh, I lost everything
15:25Everything
15:27Everything I loved
15:28My wife, Laura
15:31And my career
15:32And my, my beautiful daughter
15:40Yeah, yeah, my life just pretty much collapsed
15:46But here's the thing
15:50It wasn't me
15:52The credit card payments, I didn't make them
15:56My life had been ruined and I was completely 100% innocent
16:01And do you happen to remember who packed the trailer?
16:10Jesus, you don't think?
16:12Do you?
16:13I always used to pack the bags and James always used to put them in the trailer
16:21Okay, and your car, a BMW 3 Series, I believe
16:24Yeah
16:25Do you recall if it sustained any damage over that break?
16:28You think it was a car accident?
16:30Do you?
16:36Oh
16:38Oh
16:43Mrs. Hollis
16:44He said he'd hit a deer
16:47Your husband?
16:48Yes
16:49My husband
16:50Who else?
16:53I wonder if you take a look at these fighters and his floor plan for me
16:56Tell me
17:00And tell me if you can remember which bedroom you and your husband slept in
17:04Which bedroom your friends slept in
17:07And which your son
17:10No
17:15My car details
17:16And like those of hundreds of other completely innocent people
17:19Were cloned
17:20Of course I protested my innocence
17:22Fehermently
17:23I told them
17:24It's crazy
17:25I've never visited these sites
17:26It's absurd
17:27It's a mistake
17:28But I was charged
17:32And then
17:35Then suddenly I was living alone in a depressing flat in Hackton
17:39And my trial date had not been set
17:44I managed to salvage some money from my separation
17:46Then I found a lawyer
17:47And we hired a team of investigators to prove that the sites paid for were never actually visited
17:51They proved that when the payments were made allegedly from my work computer
17:55I was abroad
17:57And so in 2003 finally charges had dropped
18:01And I was granted a record deletion application in 2004
18:06By this time Laura had remarried
18:08And I hadn't seen her or been allowed to see my daughter for three years
18:11I was living in shelters or on the streets
18:16Without access to the medication I needed
18:20The idea of just turning out and persuading them that I hadn't somehow bought my innocence
18:29Yeah, that was beyond me
18:30So I had to try and begin to accept what had happened to me
18:35This awful injustice
18:37This catastrophic unfairness
18:39To try
18:41To try and rebuild a life
18:43You know, which sounds simpler than it actually was
18:47Because I was homeless in and out of temporary accommodation for six more years
18:50Before
18:55Before Tim
18:59My friend Tim
19:01He finally tracked me down
19:03And he bought me my first van in 2010
19:06And I began to live again rather than just exist
19:08And then one week ago
19:09You turn up and you ask a man who has lost everything
19:12Through
19:14Well, just simple bad luck
19:15To someone, someone who knows
19:17Who knows
19:18What can happen
19:19And you ask him where he was that night
19:25Yeah, so that's why I lied
19:28That
19:30That
19:32James Hollis' ex remembers his son
19:34Slept in a box room
19:36The only box room in the house
19:38Has a window that gives out onto a flat roof
19:41Which supports Tim Finch's claim
19:42Like Pete Carson climbing in at 2am
19:44Exactly
19:46Yeah
19:49Jake Collier
19:52Yeah, she's in an interview at the moment
19:53Can I pass on a message?
19:59Hello, is it Maria?
20:01Oh, yeah
20:03Sorry, I was just having a quick nap
20:05I'm Dr. Walsh
20:07I'm one of the doctors who's been looking after Peter
20:09Oh, right, yes
20:11How's he doing?
20:12Shit
20:22Do you believe it?
20:25I don't know
20:27Maybe
20:29You speak to the legal firm
20:30I'll try and track down the unit that investigates him
20:32Okay
20:34Gov
20:35Kingsland Nick just rang
20:37Peter Carr's died
20:39Heart attack
20:41Grace
20:45I got the
20:59Then out of the room
21:00Please keep your message after the tone.
21:13Mrs. Carr, it's DCI Cassie Stewart.
21:17I just wanted to ring and say how desperately sad I was
21:27to hear about your husband's death.
21:46And as his wife comforts the two young sons tonight,
21:50I think the death of Mr. Carr raises a number of important questions.
21:55Firstly, what new laws, if any, do we need
21:58in order to better restrict the sort of hateful social media campaign
22:02that undoubtedly contributed towards his murder?
22:06And secondly, I think we need to ask how problematic it is
22:10that such major criminal investigations as this one
22:14are increasingly being held under such a public gaze.
22:18With police so far refusing to confirm whether Peter Carr remained a suspect,
22:25the parents of Hayley Reid must be asking themselves
22:28the most painful question.
22:31Has the killer of their beloved daughter
22:34taken the secret of her final moments to his grave?
22:39This is Rohit Catru outside Bishop.
22:46Thanks.
22:48I just went out to grab a bag. I didn't forget to turn it off.
22:54Dad.
22:55I just wanted to say that, you know, I've been thinking about
22:58what we were discussing the other day.
23:00And I am genuinely sorry about what you're going through.
23:05I'm fine.
23:06The problems at work or whatever it is personally.
23:09My personal life is fine too.
23:11Of course, I'll always be there, you know,
23:14to give you whatever I can whenever you need it.
23:18Wow. Well, thank you so much.
23:20It's just that at the moment I think it would be better for the both of us
23:26if I were to give you a bit of space.
23:28So I think it's best if I move in with Jenny for a bit.
23:31Right.
23:33Anyway, it'll be a rehearsal for us, you know.
23:38Rehearsal?
23:41I asked her last night if she'd marry me.
23:43She said she would.
23:44So I'll probably buy somewhere together next year.
23:49Sorry, you mean like moving together?
23:51Because you can't...
23:52You can't buy somewhere together, can you?
23:54Because you're the only one with any money.
24:05I never thought that we'd fall out about money.
24:09I'll give you a call tomorrow.
24:11I love you, sweetheart.
24:19As I miss us, as a family, I miss us all being together.
24:27I miss you.
24:31And I missed you, Usha, when you left for your soulmate.
24:34Do you remember?
24:39The girls missed you so much.
24:40And I'm so sorry for that.
24:43For all the mistakes I made, which I want to put right now.
24:46No accent, it's too late.
24:47We've moved on.
24:49I've moved on.
24:53And...
24:55You love her, do you?
24:56This...
24:57Sal?
24:59Yes, I do.
25:01And the girls...
25:02I mean...
25:03Surely we owe it to them to ask what they'd like.
25:06We?
25:08Well, surely you can't deny them that.
25:10I mean, if they want it.
25:12The chance for us all to be together again.
25:15A proper family.
25:19You always said the girls came first.
25:21But I never meant for anyone to actually do anything.
25:28Okay.
25:30Can I read what your last post said?
25:32Okay.
25:33Okay.
25:35For too long, paedophiles, rapists and murderers have been treated as if they were the victims.
25:41But enough is enough.
25:43If the government won't bring back the death penalty for such crimes, perhaps it's time for honest, law-abiding citizens to take matters into their own hands.
25:51And then you've put a picture of Peter Carr with his work address under the headline monster.
25:58But I never said to anyone to kill him.
26:00So when you said it was time for people to take matters into their own hands, what did you mean exactly?
26:10I just wanted a job.
26:14I'm 27 and I have a degree in journalism that's cost me the best part of 50 grand.
26:19And I have never had proper paid work in my chosen field despite having written hundreds of job applications.
26:28So I was just trying to shock.
26:33Because that's what you need to do these days.
26:36Otherwise no one hears you, no one listens.
26:40And if no one listens, what are you?
26:44You're no one.
26:49In terms of the IPCC, it's a mandatory referral.
26:55I don't really have any choice.
26:57And my case?
26:59The Reid family have reiterated their faith in you.
27:02For now, the case remains yours.
27:18I will just ask the actual fucking question then, please.
27:22Look, I've got ten minutes before I'm due back and I really don't have time for endless dreary euphemisms.
27:28You didn't have to get so unpleasant, Dad.
27:30Oh, you think?
27:32It's just that as your father, I thought you might already know the answer.
27:39I'm sorry.
27:40I'm very stressed by all of this.
27:45But no.
27:48I never hit your mum.
27:53Apologies, but I have a two o'clock.
27:56And for the avoidance of any doubt, I'm not a psychopathic murderer like that.
28:07Just pull the door to when you leave.
28:09Love you.
28:26Hells.
28:43If you don't tell me the truth, Elliot, I can't continue to protect you.
28:46Like you have for the past 32 years, you mean?
28:49Protect me from what, exactly?
28:50A very good look at me recently, Dad.
28:51Prison.
28:53And I will happily do that.
28:54I will lie for you and I will say that I was driving that night.
28:56But you have to tell me the truth, Elliot.
28:57I've already told you the truth a million times.
28:59I don't think so.
29:00Yes, I have.
29:01I was driving.
29:02I hid something.
29:03I don't know what.
29:04And I went out to look for it and I couldn't find anything.
29:05That's it.
29:06No.
29:07Yes!
29:08Because you actually went back that night.
29:09I what?
29:10I think you actually found her and then you hid her.
29:12You hid her and then you went back to get her a few nights later.
29:14The fuck are you talking about?
29:15Come on, tell me the truth!
29:16Please, Elliot.
29:18It's been 18 years.
29:19I need to hear it now.
29:20I need to hear the truth.
29:21Where was she found?
29:24Oh.
29:25You'll know where she was found.
29:26No, I don't.
29:27I've been using since you first called me.
29:29Where was she found?
29:30Tell me where was she found?
29:32She was buried in London.
29:44What?
29:45What?
29:46What?
29:50What?
29:51He's written?
29:56Letît.
29:59He's writing!
30:00Look up.
30:01Look up.
30:08Look up.
30:09What?
30:14Look up.
30:15What?
30:18Boss?
30:22Yeah?
30:23Er, so, just got off the phone to Eastleigh Nick,
30:26which is the nearest one to Midnham.
30:28So they've identified our G as local drug dealer,
30:31nicknamed Gandalf, real name Nigel Farndall.
30:34He's got a 30-year record of drug offences,
30:36so they're gonna pull him up now and bring him straight in.
30:38Okay, thank you.
30:42James Hollis is downstairs with his son.
30:48For the past 18 years, I have believed that my son killed Hayley Reed.
31:10Because he did steal my car. He was drunk.
31:13And when he got back home at 2 in the morning
31:15and I found him in his room in a terrible state,
31:18he told me that he'd hit something.
31:21He said that he'd got out to see what it was
31:24but couldn't find anything.
31:26And although his gut instinct told him that it was just an animal,
31:30he was also very scared that it might be a person.
31:36which fear grew when the next day news that Hayley Reed was missing
31:41started to filter through.
31:43And the fact they couldn't find her also fitted
31:47because the road he was on was next to the river
31:51which had burst its banks following the heavy rain.
31:55Meaning we had to consider the awful possibility
31:59that she had been knocked into the water, washed down the river
32:04and out to sea.
32:06And for 18 years, he and I have hidden that dreadful secret
32:12and I'm so, so sorry for that.
32:14And then she was found and the nightmare should have been over.
32:20Except, instead of finally believing that he was innocent,
32:30I started to believe that not only had he hit her,
32:35but he'd actually found her and hidden her
32:40to drive back down a few days later, retrieve the body
32:44and bury it in London.
32:47which might seem a terrible thing to believe about your son,
32:53but 18 years of this toxic secret between us
33:01and seeing the consequences of that in everything my son has become
33:08has made my judgment bad.
33:14And how do you know he didn't do exactly what you've described?
33:20Because when I finally found him just a few hours ago
33:23and talked to him properly for the first time since Hayley had been found,
33:28he reminded me that we drove back early on the 2nd
33:33to put him on a flight to Switzerland for a school skiing trip.
33:37He was away for ten days. There'll be school records.
33:40Could have driven back down there once he got back.
33:42By which time the police and half the world's press were in Middenham,
33:46so I don't think so.
33:48But listen, we're not hiding anymore.
33:51He's here to answer your question, so ask him.
33:55But I think he did just hit a deer that night.
34:04And by me enabling him to not face up to his responsibilities,
34:14I've messed up his whole life.
34:19For absolutely no reason at all.
34:21So I'm gonna stay in the van tonight because I want you to have the time you need,
34:38you know, to absorb everything.
34:40And when might the police know?
34:43Do you think that you're not a suspect anymore?
34:49I don't know.
34:51But if it's worth me saying one more time, you know it wasn't me.
34:56Not Hayley Reed, not the credit card stuff, not anything.
35:00And sometimes we have to, you must know this,
35:06we have to accept that that life can be just random and cruel
35:15before being in the blink of an eye just as randomly wonderful.
35:21I'm gonna fuck off, Dad.
35:50I'm gonna fuck off, Dad.
36:01Well, he's right, I'm afraid.
36:04Within five days of her disappearance, Midland was crawling with police.
36:07There were search parties, choppers with cameras, roadblocks.
36:11If she was murdered in Midland, then it was always my belief
36:13that she had to have been moved within a day or so.
36:17Sorry.
36:19They're looking at their records now, but the teacher I just spoke to
36:21remembers the skiing trip well and remembers Elliot being on it
36:24because he was such a pain in the arse.
36:27Right.
36:28And Nigel Farndale's here.
36:30Thanks.
36:32Did you talk to the son?
36:34Uh, briefly.
36:35And?
36:36My sense was he is telling the truth.
36:40So for now we're letting them both go.
36:45I'd better speak to this Farndale bloke.
36:49Yeah, I'd better push off.
36:51No, thank you for coming in.
36:53No worries.
36:54Uh, look, I'm probably gonna head back down to Hampshire tomorrow, so...
36:59Right.
37:00But, um...
37:01Can I...
37:02Can I call you?
37:03I don't know if this is a good idea right now, John.
37:17I've just got so much, uh, crap on right now that I need to sort out, and...
37:24I'm not sure of starting...
37:27It wouldn't be fair on you.
37:32Sorry.
37:34I'll call you then.
37:36I'll call you then.
38:04I mean, we all lived together for 10, 11 years, Mum.
38:08We never saw him do anything like...
38:12You know, in the photos, were they even you, or was it make-up, or...
38:15I don't know.
38:16Help me out here, because I'm struggling.
38:19Well, you're not struggling, Em, or you wouldn't be here.
38:23You wouldn't have driven five hours just to ask.
38:28Listen, I knew I shouldn't have asked for the money.
38:31It was stupid, but it was the first time in nearly 30 years...
38:34I felt like I had the upper hand.
38:38Then I got a little giddy.
38:40Although...
38:42For what it's worth...
38:45He never did pay the settlement.
38:49These are the letters from my lawyer to his.
38:56I instructed mine to stop fighting in 2005...
38:59After your father put his hands around my neck...
39:02At our old house and threatened to kill me.
39:06Of course, you and Claire never saw stuff.
39:09I did everything I could...
39:11To keep it from you both.
39:13As did he.
39:15For different reasons, obviously.
39:18But that takes us toll, sweetheart.
39:20Living that lie.
39:21To keep smiling as you told me about all your fun times with him.
39:28The lovely holidays with him.
39:31When I knew what he really was.
39:36It took its toll on me, and in turn my problems served his deception well.
39:41The photos were genuine, my love.
39:46And you're here now because some part of you...
39:50Some subconscious part...
39:52Has always known that something was wrong.
39:56And it gives me no pleasure at all...
40:00To tell you that you were right.
40:02Yes, she came to my house that night.
40:13And that was to buy?
40:15In 2000, it would have been ease, I'd imagine.
40:19You didn't think to mention this to the police at the time?
40:22I had a house full of gear.
40:25I knew I hadn't done anything wrong, so...
40:28But yeah, I'm sorry, I should have.
40:32Okay.
40:34Do you remember what time she arrived?
40:36Would have been about 20 past 11.
40:41How do you remember so specifically?
40:43Because we chatted a bit, maybe 10 minutes, and then we left together.
40:47And I went to a party in Ancross, which is about half an hour away.
40:49And I remember I got there just as Big Ben was chiming.
40:52And when she left, did she say where she was going?
40:56She said straight to her party.
40:59Um, can you...
41:02Show me where you were living in 1999.
41:11So, if what he's saying is true,
41:14then to get from the Farndells to the party house,
41:16there's absolutely no reason for her to be passing the church,
41:20or where Elliot Hollis was spotted driving the car.
41:23Which would seem to suggest James Hollis is telling the truth,
41:28as was Peter Carr.
41:31Yeah.
41:33As she walked from here to here,
41:35if she encountered anyone,
41:36the more likely would be Chris Lowe or Tim Finch.
41:38And I've just come off the phone to West End Central,
41:41who have detailed records of the credit card investigation into Lowe,
41:46which they themselves now admit, with hindsight,
41:50was flawed.
41:52So he didn't just hire good lawyers?
41:54On balance, they think not.
41:55They think he should never have been charged.
41:57That doesn't mean we eliminate him as a suspect, of course,
42:02but for now, I think we should concentrate our fire elsewhere.
42:05And some, um, slightly better news here.
42:09So, yesterday we got in touch with DVLA
42:11to see if any of our four main suspects
42:13had any endorsements for the days after New Year.
42:17And my thinking was,
42:19you have a dead body in your boot,
42:22you might be driving a little faster than normal.
42:25So here is a copy of Tim Finch's driving licence endorsements
42:30going back 35 years.
42:32There's four speeding offences on there,
42:33which is kind of normal.
42:35Except for the date, the second one.
42:40Shit.
42:43The 3rd of January, 2000.
42:45That's the day after he got back to London.
42:46Do you know where he got it?
42:49Not yet, but they're going to go back to us.
42:50But that...
42:52is a tickle.
42:53That's definitely a tickle.
43:00D.I. Khan.
43:02Yes.
43:03Yep.
43:04Yes, I have, yep.
43:07That is so helpful.
43:08Thank you so much.
43:10Ticket was issued at 6.20am on the A405.
43:13Which is where?
43:14Six miles outside of Midnum.
43:15Was he heading to or from?
43:18From.
43:19Timothy Finch, I'm arresting you on suspicion of the murder of Hayley Reid.
43:20You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention something now, which you later rely on in court.
43:34As you've been arrested, we have authority to search your premises under Section 32 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act.
43:35Would you like to get dressed, please?
43:36Would you like to get dressed, please?
44:38Why were you on the road, out of Myndham, heading to London at 620am.
44:46The day after you'd returned to London?
44:48Well I'd left my laptop in the house and drove back down to pick it up.
44:52I left very early because I wanted to be back in time for morning surgery.
44:56And you'd arranged this with the lettings agency?
44:59Yes.
45:00They've made no mention of that?
45:02Well, what do you want me to say? I arranged it.
45:06Who did you speak to?
45:07I don't remember.
45:09Nearly 20 years ago.
45:12A bloke, I think.
45:13And what, he took you around there, did he?
45:16At 6am?
45:18No, he left the key under a flower pot.
45:20Apparently the house was vacant that week
45:22and he said to just let myself in.
45:26So why were you speeding?
45:28Well, it had taken longer than I thought to get down there.
45:30I was running late.
45:33For the purposes of the interview, DC Collier has entered the room.
45:37Sorry to interrupt, Mum. Can I have a quick word?
45:39Sorry.
45:41Excuse me.
45:43Interview suspended at 8.31.
45:51In his cellar, behind a thousand boxes of junk,
45:53we found one of those old, like, money-box-type things.
45:57And when we got it open,
45:58we found these.
45:59A necklace with hair still attached to the clasp.
46:03A scrunchie.
46:06And a pair of knickers.
46:07And a pair of knickers.
46:07And a pair of knickers.
46:08And a pair of knickers.
46:08And a pair of knickers.
46:09And a pair of knickers.
46:09And a pair of knickers.
46:10And a pair of knickers.
46:10And a pair of knickers.
46:11And a pair of knickers.
46:12And a pair of knickers.
46:12And a pair of knickers.
46:13And a pair of knickers.
46:13And a pair of knickers.
46:14And a pair of knickers.
46:14And a pair of knickers.
46:15And a pair of knickers.
46:15And a pair of knickers.
46:16And a pair of knickers.
46:16And a pair of knickers.
46:17And a pair of knickers.
46:17And a pair of knickers.
46:18And a pair of knickers.
46:19And a pair of knickers.
46:20And a pair of knickers.
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