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00:00ITV. Come on in.
00:07I presume you've seen the news about the Hayley Reed case.
00:10The police think she may have been our cleaner.
00:12I told them we all stayed in the house that night, eating with our families.
00:16I have a daughter, Maya, who I last saw 17 years ago.
00:20Three grand. I accidentally paid Salthouse's cheque into my personal account.
00:25This isn't working, Pete. You and me. Your marriage ended when?
00:29I haven't seen Darren for many years, but I should just say that she's had a number of issues.
00:35Christmas and New Year can be quite stressful, can't it?
00:38Of the three of you that were married, all of you were separated within the year.
00:42That was nothing to do with anything that happened on that break.
00:45No, it wasn't a pleasant evening. Someone might have bought some coke.
00:49Chris went completely nuts.
00:52There was another employee. She went as Madonna and she left around ten past twelve.
00:56So she could actually have left the pub earlier?
00:58We now have four men, variously pissed, drugged up, possibly mentally unstable.
01:03Out somewhere in Midnum, at exactly the same time as Hayley.
01:07All we do is hide away. All we do is hide away. All we do is lie and wait. All we do is, all we do is lie and wait.
01:16All we do is, all we do is lie and wait. All we do is, all we do is lie and wait. I've been upside down. I don't wanna be the right way around. Can't find paradise on the ground.
01:43Just got the DNA swab results in and we've got a match to the blood on the church break-in.
01:59Wow, who?
02:01Pete Carr.
02:02Pete Carr.
02:10Batman, stop!
02:11Stop!
02:12What do you got from the city?
02:14Pete, please, you're supposed to be eating breakfast.
02:16Oh, I'm sorry. Go on, Will. Tell us your mum says.
02:29Pete Carr.
02:30Mr. Carr, DI Sunil Khan.
02:31Hi. Morning.
02:33Mr. Carr, we need to speak to you again.
02:35Do you? About what?
02:38Well, we can discuss that when we meet. We'd like you to be at Kings Lynn Police Station at 1.30, please.
02:45Do I need a lawyer or anything?
02:48I'm afraid I can't advise you on legal representation, but we will be looking to interview you under caution, so...
02:54Right, sure.
02:55Good. See you later. Bye.
02:57Bye.
02:58Do you need a lawyer for what?
03:02The new FSA contract. I was just asking Mark if we need to run and buy a lawyer. He says they're all fine.
03:17So, DI Khan and I are heading straight up to Norfolk now, following on from that DNA result.
03:23Although, obviously, there are some questions for them all to answer now.
03:27Following Melissa Hollis' ever so slightly different account of that evening.
03:33Jake, it might be worth speaking to Tim Finch's ex. See how she remembers the evening.
03:37Good.
03:38And James Hollis finally came back about his car.
03:41Turns out he was driving a black Ford or BMW with a tow bar.
03:46Do you know if he had a trailer?
03:48Yeah.
03:49Interesting.
03:50And all this, it feeds into a bigger question I think we need to ask now.
03:55Because if what Melissa Hollis said is true, it means that not only did all four men lie to us,
04:01all four then appear to have colluded in that lie.
04:05And at that point, I start to ask, why would they do that?
04:09Do you think they're all involved, boss?
04:11I don't know, but I think it has to be one of our options.
04:14Or maybe it's that one of them killed her and the other three covered up for him.
04:20Anyway, let's let that percolate and then we'll regroup once we've spoken to Mr. Carr.
04:27Thank you, everyone. You driving on me.
04:30Can we sue the site?
04:46We can try, but it's registered to a 27-year-old woman that lives in a council flat.
04:51She literally has nothing to lose.
04:53Well, we've got to do something, Linda, because you typed me and Hayley Reid's name into a search engine,
04:57and those photographs come up on three other sites already.
04:59And I've got a guy working to get them taken down.
05:01I'm doing everything I can with this.
05:03Call me back.
05:06Amy.
05:07Good morning, James.
05:08I just wondered if you wish to comment on your connection to the Hayley Reid...
05:16Today's mirror, Mr. Hollis.
05:17Are there any comments you'd like to make about the Hayley Reid case?
05:22Did you stay long last night?
05:24No.
05:25Left about half an hour after you.
05:27Knackered.
05:28Long enough for him to ask me out for dinner, though.
05:40No.
05:41No, I...
05:49They did the same with me. It's what they do.
05:51Doesn't mean anything, I promise.
05:53And I asked for someone to be with me.
05:55I told her, you know, the problem.
05:57And she just ignored me.
05:58You explicitly asked her for someone?
06:00Yes. Yes, definitely.
06:02Jesus, outrageous. How dare she?
06:06Listen, I have to shoot, but if you're happy for me to do it, I'll make a formal complaint on your behalf.
06:13Well, yeah. Okay, yeah. Thank you.
06:16No, I just...
06:18These people.
06:19Just come off the phone from Inspector Chan in Hong Kong, and it turns out he knew Peter Carr very well.
06:28Tell me.
06:29So in 1995, when Carr was living out...
06:32We've all been through some shit, Chris.
06:34All done stuff we shouldn't have.
06:38So I'm just saying, you'll always be my friend, mate.
06:42No matter what.
06:51I love you, mate.
06:52Yeah.
06:54Love you too.
07:01So I'm going to ask you again, Mr. Carr.
07:06Were you in the house all evening?
07:09Not all evening, no.
07:12I was in the pub for a...
07:15A fair bit.
07:17And that's from what time to what time?
07:20From about 8.30 to just before midnight.
07:24Mm-hmm.
07:25So why didn't you just tell us that?
07:28I don't know.
07:29Stupid.
07:32I just panicked, I suppose.
07:34I was on a bit of a pub crawl.
07:36I guess I thought that didn't put me in a good light in relation to Hayley Reed.
07:43I mean, so I just said I was in the house with the others.
07:47You said that you were on a pub crawl.
07:50Yes.
07:51Did you pass St. Matthew's Church on the way back?
07:53No.
07:55Are you sure?
07:57Yes.
07:58Are you sure you didn't, in fact, break into St. Matthew's Church and steal some silverware from the cupboard in the vestry?
08:08We have a DNA match to you.
08:11From blood samples taken at the time.
08:13From the window that you smashed to get in.
08:17Was that you?
08:23Yes.
08:25I was, um...
08:27My company was having some cash flow issues and, uh...
08:31With all the Christmas and New Year expenditure, I found I didn't have enough money for my flight back to Hong Kong, so...
08:37I'd been in there the previous evening...
08:43To a service.
08:46Seen the silverware.
08:54Was an utterly shameful thing to do, and I am so sorry.
08:57I am so sorry.
09:11You okay?
09:13Yeah, fine.
09:16Not having second thoughts.
09:24Never.
09:26No, I'm just tired.
09:29Good.
09:37I wish to introduce evidence of bad character to the Criminal Justice Act 2001.
09:43So, we've been speaking to the Hong Kong police.
09:46Do you want to tell us about the three-month sentence that you served in 1995 in the Lo Wu Correctional Facility
09:52for defrauding a disability charity of $100,000?
09:57An amount which...
09:59caused it to close down.
10:01I was set up.
10:03That was all.
10:05The system out there was corrupt. I was set up.
10:07Really?
10:09Yes, fucking really.
10:11You see, I think...
10:12you give a very good impression of being a decent, if slightly hapless businessman, Peter.
10:19But I think you have a much darker side.
10:21Do you?
10:22Yes, I do.
10:24I think you have a side that thinks primarily of what you need.
10:27Maybe once.
10:29Not now.
10:30Well, indeed.
10:31Because I think when you broke into that church, that was exactly what you were thinking.
10:34Yeah.
10:35How do I get myself out of this hole?
10:37Well, I would never have hurt anyone.
10:39I'm sure you didn't plan to.
10:41But then maybe...
10:42maybe Hayley saw you go in.
10:44And she confronted you.
10:46Now, you knew she could identify you from the Spinney.
10:49No.
10:50So you did what you needed to do to protect your needs.
10:53Not true.
10:54Except you've lied to us, Peter.
10:57From the moment we spoke to you.
10:58So why should we suddenly start believing you now?
11:21When exactly were you planning to tell me?
11:36What do you think?
11:38Clearly a fraud.
11:40And weak.
11:42And a liar.
11:44The question is, do I sense violence?
11:47Dunno.
11:48I wouldn't want to see him backed into a corner though.
12:09Tell me what's going on.
12:11Or I swear I will go in there right now and answer myself.
12:18THE END
12:32OK, right.
12:33Well, that seems to chime pretty much with what Melissa Hollis told us.
12:38And, erm...
12:39What's my ex, what's Timothy, said about the evening?
12:43I'm afraid I can't really go into too many details about that.
12:47It's just when you rang, it wasn't a complete shock.
12:52I'm sorry?
12:54I think on some subconscious level, I had always wondered...
12:58Wondered what?
12:59If he could have been involved.
13:02I mean, I'm sure he's told you I'm delusional.
13:05And a fantasist.
13:08Mad.
13:10And maybe I have had periods when I've not acted entirely rationally.
13:14I know I've alienated my daughters.
13:16And...
13:17And I'm incredibly sad about that.
13:22But, but...
13:24The way I've been...
13:26What I became...
13:28That was actually entirely because of him.
13:30Dr. Finch?
13:31Yes.
13:32How do you mean?
13:33I mean...
13:35To talk to, on the face of it, in public.
13:39You would think he was such a lovely man, wouldn't you?
13:42Kind and gentle.
13:45And good.
13:47A good man.
13:49Was how people always described him in our village.
13:53But behind closed doors, he's the most manipulative, calculating man I've ever met.
13:58And he made my life a complete misery.
14:01How so?
14:03For the 13 years that we were married, he tried to control every single aspect of it.
14:09He stopped me from working.
14:11He cut me off from my friends.
14:14Stopped me going out at all.
14:16By the end.
14:18Well, he abused me.
14:20Mentally.
14:22Physically.
14:24Sometimes even sexually.
14:27And if I hadn't managed to escape when I did...
14:30Who knows what he might have ended up doing.
14:41Four days ago?
14:43Obviously, just as a witness, so...
14:45So...
14:47So what? So that means you didn't need to mention it to me?
14:50I'm sorry. I should have.
14:52How can you even do that?
14:54Been out to dinner. We've had a million conversations.
14:57We've had sex.
14:58And I...
15:00Never once had an inkling that you were lying to me.
15:03I never lied.
15:04Oh, please, by omission, yes, you lied.
15:06Just leave the phone, Jamie.
15:08It's my age and she's run three times already.
15:10Sue.
15:19I'll call you back.
15:24They're suspending recordings for a month.
15:31Sue, is there anything else you haven't told me?
15:33No.
15:38Jesus, you...
15:40You're meant to say no really quickly.
15:41You're meant to get really cross and say no.
15:42Of course there isn't.
15:44No, of course there isn't.
15:46I need to speak to my solicitor.
15:48But don't just walk out now.
15:52Uh, hi, Usha. It's me.
15:54Sunil, I can't really talk right now. I'm at work.
15:58But I was wondering, could we meet up?
16:01Um, why?
16:03I'd really prefer not to say over the phone.
16:05I'd prefer to see you in person.
16:08Right.
16:10I really wouldn't.
16:13Look, I know you have every right to be angry with me, Sunny.
16:16I know how much I hurt you.
16:19But I've been doing a lot of soul-searching recently.
16:24And I've realized...
16:26I made a terrible mistake.
16:29I miss you and the girls.
16:31I miss us all living together.
16:34I want to come back.
16:39And has she got any proof of anything?
16:42Oh, I asked her exactly that, which didn't get down very well.
16:45She got slightly defensive and asked me to leave.
16:49But what was your general sense of her as a person?
16:51And did... did she feel credible?
16:54It's hard to say.
16:56She certainly felt like a very damaged woman.
16:58That makes her more or less credible.
17:01I don't know, Gov.
17:03Okay, let's go for a Section 23 for her medical records.
17:06See if what Finch said about her mental health was true.
17:08Speak later.
17:09Gov.
17:10Gov.
17:11Gov.
17:12Gov.
17:13Gov.
17:14Gov.
17:15Gov.
17:16Gov.
17:17Gov.
17:18Gov.
17:19Gov.
17:20Gov.
17:21Gov.
17:22Gov.
17:23Gov.
17:24Talk to me.
17:32It was a day centre for adults with learning difficulties.
17:36I met the team who ran it at the charity function and it turns out they needed someone to restructure their finances so I offered my services.
17:44I genuinely wanted to help them.
17:47And then my business started having some cash flow issues,
17:52and I only ever intended to borrow the money, Maria.
17:57I was always going to pay it back.
18:00Then a tax demand came in earlier than expected.
18:05It was all just bad timing.
18:08No one was more upset than me when they were evicted,
18:12I promise you.
18:15And the church thing.
18:19No excuses.
18:22Which is what I told the police.
18:24I deserve to be charged, I deserve to be punished.
18:27It was a terrible thing to do.
18:30And that is it, Maria.
18:32That is everything, I promise.
18:36I had nothing to do with that poor girl's death.
18:41And I'm telling you all of this because I want you to know the very worst things that I've done.
18:50And to assure you that I have changed.
18:54You and the boys have changed me, Maria.
18:58I'm not that mad anymore.
19:01Thank you for finally being honest with me, Pete.
19:08I appreciate that, I really do.
19:11And I accept you never meant to do any harm.
19:15I don't think you ever set out to harm.
19:19Now, let's just be clear.
19:22You only told me because I made you.
19:28And you are deluded if you think this ushers in some new chapter in our lives.
19:34Mercy.
19:35Mercy.
19:36And more importantly, if you think I will allow my children to be brought up by a man like you,
19:44who steals from the disabled and from old men.
19:49And worse, a man who's been lying to himself for so many years, he doesn't even know what the truth is anymore.
20:01I think you could have killed that poor girl.
20:06And you could still sit here opposite me, swearing it wasn't you, and actually believe it yourself.
20:15Maria, I did not kill him.
20:17Son.
20:20It's finished me.
20:25Maria.
20:26Get your fucking hands off me.
20:28I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hurt you. I'm sorry.
20:36I'm not saying that.
20:55You literally just did.
20:57What I said was, you've been forgetting lots of things recently.
21:04And why not have a test?
21:06Put your mind at rest.
21:08My mind is at rest.
21:10Okay. Well, mine then.
21:11Because it's not that relaxing wondering if, since today's the day, you're going to burn the house down.
21:18Sorry, I didn't.
21:21I think you need to take a bit of a look at yourself, Cass.
21:24Oh, really? Is that a dad lecture coming up? Is it?
21:27Well, you clearly don't want me to be with Jenny.
21:29Not true.
21:30You clearly think she's trying to fleece me.
21:31A little bit.
21:32A little bit.
21:33And I'm guessing, suggesting that I have dementia is just another way of trying to scupper the relationship.
21:38Well, actually, the problem is you.
21:41Is it?
21:42How's that then?
21:43Well, you don't want me to leave, my love, because you're lonely.
21:46And I understand that. I really do.
21:48But I probably am going.
21:51And I probably am going to marry her.
21:54Mm-hmm.
21:55And, of course, Robert, the central male character in your first novel, was a working-class grammar school boy who became a very successful journalist. This felt like a very personal story.
22:16Mm-hmm.
22:17Well, uh, the pain that the character of Annie goes through as she discovers her husband has been serially unfaithful was something I did feel I understood.
22:29But what I wanted to try and explore through his multiple liaisons was what it was in the male psyche that needed this constant sexual validation.
22:42I mean, was this, in fact, just a normal extension of the male sexual identity, or did it suggest something darker? Something more aberrant?
23:12Yeah.
23:13Who got her this?
23:14We had her collection, my team.
23:15Obviously, you'll want to, um, choose your own for the funeral, but to bring her here, we all wanted something nice for her.
23:36Thank all your team, please.
23:38I've asked when we bury her for them to arrange her... her bones properly.
23:58And then not to leave her anywhere in the dark before then.
24:02She didn't like the dark.
24:08I miss you.
24:10I miss you, my darling sister.
24:13And I love you.
24:15I love you.
24:17I love you.
24:19I love you.
24:33I love you.
24:36And you love you.
24:39You love me.
24:44And take your group!
24:45in full 15 years ago.
24:47So you see.
24:48No, so the court says.
24:51I want the rest of it.
24:54Or you will regret it.
24:56And why would I regret it?
24:58Because I have evidence of what you did to me.
25:01And I don't think you want them to see that, do you?
25:04The police? Not right now.
25:06Oh, right. So you're blackmailing me now, are you?
25:10I just want what you owe me.
25:13OK, and how much do we think that is, then?
25:1850,000.
25:23You see, if you'd pitched it a little more realistically,
25:27you might have got 10 grand out of me just to be rid of you.
25:32But you always were a bit dim.
25:35OK, go to the police, tell them what the fuck you like,
25:38but you're not getting anything out of me.
25:40And if you come back here again,
25:42I'll call the police for you.
26:01Carol, call me when you get this, please.
26:03I need to talk to you about something.
26:05It's fairly urgent.
26:15And when did you last speak to your father, Miss Lowe?
26:17Last contact I had with him was when Mum died six years ago.
26:20I wrote to him via his friend, Tim.
26:22So you haven't actually spoken since...
26:24The day Mum threw him out.
26:26Right.
26:28So we spoke to your father and we spoke to his ex-business partner.
26:33Helen.
26:34Yes.
26:35And they both offered a slight lack of clarity as to why he stood down from his own company and why the marriage then failed.
26:44We wondered if maybe you could clarify anything.
26:49The two things were connected.
26:51They split because in October 1999 police officers arrested him at his office as an early part of the landmark case.
26:58Basically, he'd used his credit card to visit child abuse websites.
27:02A couple months later, despite him begging her not to, Helen told Mum.
27:07Is that enough detail?
27:11Yes.
27:37Mel!
27:38Why would you do that?
27:39Why would you go on national radio and talk about him like that?
27:42I think you know why.
27:43Because you're lonely and bitter. Because you can't bear to seem happy.
27:46I've always worked to you, Amy.
27:48I always thought you were smart and ballsy.
27:51I even admire the fact that you're here right now.
27:54But that interview went out under 24 hours ago and already I have five emails from women I knew nothing about and I knew about a lot.
28:02Talking about his sexual taste.
28:04His voracious appetite.
28:05The things he used to ask them to do.
28:07That stuff online about him and that poor girl scared them.
28:11And it scared me.
28:13And I'm sorry but it should scare you.
28:16What are you going to do with them?
28:18The emails?
28:19Send them to the police, of course.
28:21What else?
28:22That's why I did the interview.
28:32So I've just rechecked and we have no record of a Christopher Lowe on our systems at all.
28:40Could he have changed his name?
28:42Well we know his surname was Lowe because it was in the company name.
28:45Maybe his first name.
28:47Okay, we'll check.
28:48In the meantime, Melissa Hollis forwarded these on to me.
28:52They're from various women who James Hollis had relationships with whilst married to her and to his current wife.
28:58Nice.
28:59He details some of his more exotic exploits.
29:03A penchant for outdoor sex.
29:05If one woman talks about rape fantasy, he asked her to play out.
29:09Anything illegal?
29:10Not so far.
29:11Jake, did you manage to access Darren Finch's medical records?
29:15Yeah, I did.
29:16And basically her ex-husband was telling the truth.
29:19She has been treated for various mental health issues over the years.
29:23So I'm not sure if they tip over into the delusional, but...
29:26Okay.
29:27Well given what we've just learned about Chris Lowe, I think we should prioritize him right now.
29:31Let's get him down here.
29:34Can you tell me why you need to speak to me again?
29:36Because I told you everything I know.
29:38Some new information has come to light which we'd like to go over with you.
29:41What new information?
29:43Or I can get officers from our Bristol police station to arrest you and bring you down.
29:46You know, my friend made a complaint about your colleague and I just might make one about you.
29:50D.I. Sunil Khan, S-U-N-I-L-K-H-A-N, Bishop Street Police Station.
29:55I can send you the right form if you like.
29:59Well, I suppose I can be there by 12 tomorrow.
30:02See you at midday, Mr. Lowe.
30:11Unfortunately, the police also then spoke to your mum,
30:14because she was obviously at the holiday house as well.
30:17As were we, having a lovely time.
30:19Indeed.
30:20Anyway, I don't know specifically what she might have said to them,
30:23although I can imagine it was fairly negative about me.
30:26But more importantly, she's now threatened to go to the police
30:30with evidence of some wrongdoing I've apparently committed against her.
30:35Unless I give her £50,000.
30:37What? No way!
30:38Oh, my God, that woman.
30:40Dad, I'm so sorry.
30:41And you really don't need this after everything else?
30:44I doubt very much whether she'll go through with it,
30:47not least because there is nothing.
30:49But, yeah, I'll be honest, it's pretty tedious.
30:53And I'm afraid I did rather lose my temper with her.
30:56I don't blame you.
30:57So she drove down today?
30:58Yeah, I pretty much came straight here from talking to her at the surgery.
31:02Jesus.
31:03And when did they first speak to you then, the police?
31:05Uh, Monday, I think it was.
31:09Monday?
31:10Wow, that was three days ago.
31:12Yeah, I know.
31:13I should have told you before.
31:14But to be honest, the whole thing only took a couple of minutes.
31:19And if it hadn't been for your mother ramping things up,
31:21I probably would have forgotten all about it.
31:23Yeah, and I'm sure they're speaking to hundreds of potential witnesses.
31:26Basically, they're speaking to anyone and everyone
31:29who was resident in the town that week.
31:31Poor girl's parents.
31:33I know.
31:35It's just brutal for them.
31:37Can't even begin to imagine.
31:39Right, well, I think, um, a cup of tea's in order.
31:42Good idea, I'll help you.
31:50You all right, love?
31:51Yeah, yeah. All good.
31:58Jake around.
31:59Left already, I think.
32:01There's a lady downstairs, so she's Tim Fincher's ex-wife.
32:03And has some photos she'd like to show him.
32:07Gov.
32:09And when were these taken?
32:10Mid to late 90s.
32:13And who took them?
32:15My friend, Kira.
32:17She used to live a few doors down from us.
32:19Can we speak to Kira?
32:21She died in 2003.
32:23Right.
32:24And she never suggested you speak to the police at the time?
32:27She did, but she also knew how scared I was of him.
32:31Of what he might do if I did.
32:33So she knew it had to be my decision.
32:35Did you ever speak to a doctor about the injuries?
32:37I was too scared he'd find out.
32:41I have to say, Mrs. Finch, we can't really see your face in these pictures.
32:46And it could be quite hard to prove that this is actually you from over 20 years ago.
32:55Who else would it be?
32:56Well, I don't know, but...
32:57Why else would I drive all the way down here?
33:01I have nothing to gain from doing this.
33:05I just want to help you catch that poor little girl's killer.
33:10And I want you to understand what he is capable of.
33:17What do you think?
33:19I think this was a house fucking full of secrets and lies.
33:23And I think it might be worth speaking to the kids to see what their experience of this marriage was.
33:31Or maybe check his professional history.
33:34And then I think I want to sleep for a year.
33:43I have never lied to you, Amy.
33:45I always told you there would be other women that I...
33:48Oh, come on, don't be coy now. Other women that you fucked.
33:50But only one I loved.
33:52And liking a shag in the woods doesn't make me a murderer.
33:56Jesus!
33:59These journalists.
34:05Pete!
34:06She's kicked me out, Jamie. Can I kick at yours for a bit?
34:11I'm sorry you feel that down, mate.
34:13But I have issues of my own at the moment and I need to spend some time alone with Amy.
34:17Mate, I've nowhere to stay tonight.
34:19Then find a hotel like a normal person.
34:21With what?
34:22I gave you three grand two days ago.
34:24Nice.
34:26Just throw that back in my face.
34:27I'm not throwing it back in your face.
34:29I'm just reminding you that I've helped you innumerable times over the years.
34:32And the one time I say no, you get arsey. Grow up.
34:37Fine.
34:41You might just want to consider something, though.
34:46I know stuff, Jamie, about your boy that night.
34:50Stuff I've never mentioned before.
34:52You might just want to bear that in mind.
34:58Get the fuck out of my ass.
35:22No.
35:43Well, call data records show that James Hollis rang Tim Finch about an hour after we interviewed him.
35:47Oh, okay.
35:48But he also spoke to Pete Carr but not to Chris Lowe.
35:51Interesting.
35:52Hmm.
35:53Did any of the others ring Lowe?
35:54No, but Lowe rang Finch just after I called him yesterday.
35:57But the call length suggested it went straight to voicemail.
36:00So the most vulnerable of the four is left the most isolated.
36:04Which might be a coincidence.
36:05Yeah, or it might not be.
36:07Yeah.
36:08Dr Finch, it turns out, has just been involved in a professional misconduct case.
36:12I mean, I should point out, he was completely exonerated.
36:15But the allegation was, he was verbally abusive to an elderly patient, including an alleged threat to overdose her on morphine.
36:22Wow.
36:23Violent to her.
36:24Jesus God, no.
36:25We never saw any evidence of that.
36:26I mean, Em was 11.
36:27I was nine when they separated.
36:28So we weren't babies.
36:29If there had been anything like that, we'd have had some sense of it.
36:30I know we would.
36:31We just didn't, did we?
36:32Although you, um, you said earlier you were both at boarding school from seven to eighteen.
36:49I mean, we were home, holidays, lots of weekends.
36:52We saw a lot of our parents.
36:53We know who our father is.
36:54That's not a violent man.
36:55Not to our mother, not to anyone.
36:57So, you think these are fake?
37:01Fake?
37:02Or make-up, or whatever.
37:06I don't...
37:07I don't really know.
37:08Or care.
37:09What I do know, and I very much doubt she told you, is that she tried to get Dad to give her fifty thousand quid for them.
37:16Right.
37:17Sorry, my missus?
37:18Yesterday.
37:19I mean, he refused, of course.
37:21Right.
37:22Look, our father is not a saint.
37:25He can be controlling.
37:27And he certainly likes to get his own way.
37:29But everything you're implying to do with the Hayley Reid case is...
37:33It's just not possible.
37:42Fifty grand.
37:44Yeah.
37:46Odd the other sister hardly said a word.
37:48Yeah, I clucked that.
37:49Bottom line, I suspect Derren Finch is a bit bonkers, but...
37:54Yeah, bonkers people tell the truth as well.
37:57...
37:59...
38:00...
38:04...
38:07...
38:09...
38:11Sonny, what time's low here?
38:14Should be here now.
38:16Oh no. Shit. Shit. Shut up.
38:26What?
38:27Obviously I went straight back to the cafe, but they'd had nothing handed in. I'm so sorry, sir.
38:32So whose file?
38:34Pete Carr's.
38:36Any sensitive stuff inside?
38:39Lots.
38:46Oh shit.
38:48I was looking for a girl at the moment.
38:53I got a team now.
38:55And then I went to the house to win today.
38:58I got a team.
39:00I got a team.
39:02They won't get the party.
39:05I just missed it.
39:07I'm so sorry.
39:09I got it.
39:10I got it.
39:11I got it.
39:13I feel like I'm slightly losing the plot.
39:19Don't be daft.
39:20My dad, this file.
39:22It'll turn up.
39:23It'll be fine.
39:24He's just tired.
39:25It just makes everything seem worse.
39:29Come on, then.
39:29Let's do Chris Lowe.
39:30Oh.
39:32He didn't turn up.
39:34Right.
39:35Did he call?
39:36No.
39:37Nothing.
39:38I left a message on his mobile.
39:39Left it at work.
39:40Nothing.
39:41What, you got two minutes?
39:42Sure.
39:43Yep, what's up?
39:43I was doing a bit of a general dig on Hollis following the emails.
39:46Yep.
39:46And I found something I think we've all missed.
39:50Okay.
39:52So the way the fathers all spoke about the kids,
39:54kind of days out and bedtimes,
39:56I think we just assumed they were all little ones.
39:59And three out of the four were.
40:01Emma Finch was ten, her sister was eight, Milo was six.
40:04But Elliot Hollis, turns out he was about to turn 16.
40:08And 16 with some issues.
40:10Two arrests already for possession,
40:12one for drunk and disorderly,
40:13and this is a real stinger.
40:17Um, one for stealing his dad's car a month before the millennium.
40:22Call the father back in now.
40:23Hey, Mark.
40:48Where are you?
40:50Yeah, um, on the way in.
40:52Sorry I was chasing down it.
40:54I've had all your stuff boxed up.
40:55I'll leave it at reception.
40:58Sorry?
40:59You stole from the disabled.
41:01Never mind the Hayley-Reed connections.
41:03I don't want a man like you anywhere near my business.
41:05Mark, listen to me.
41:06No matter what Maria's told you.
41:08Maria hasn't told me anything.
41:09Have you not been online?
41:11Online?
41:12No.
41:13Why?
41:15Google your name.
41:16Jesus, there's one site here that's found a photo of him.
41:37Okay, I need to make a statement.
41:42And, uh, we need to shut these websites down.
41:44Fast.
41:44Press the Guinness World Address.
41:46If you need to take me off the case,
41:47I'll understand completely.
41:48For the record, I very much want to stay
41:51and make good my mistake.
41:55I need to find Pete Carr.
41:56I didn't do it, Tim.
42:03I want you to know that.
42:04Pete, you really don't need to convince me.
42:06I've made mistakes.
42:08Done some pretty shabby things.
42:10I'll accept that.
42:11But I'd never hurt anyone.
42:13I never even saw Hayley-Reed that night.
42:15Yeah, I believe you.
42:16Well, the police clearly don't.
42:19And I'm not sure they believe a word I say now.
42:21So, I want to tell you something
42:23and I want you to tell the police.
42:26Okay, I'm not sure they want to speak to me again,
42:28but if they do, I...
42:30It's about Jamie's boy, Elliot.
42:33About something I saw that night.
42:56Have you tried the art center?
43:08Yeah, they said that he wouldn't be in today.
43:10I hope that's why he told me he was going.
43:12Okay.
43:12Uh, well, I'll try his mobile again.
43:15Is he in trouble?
43:16I can't tell you anymore, I'm afraid.
43:18He's a very vulnerable man, dear.
43:22I can't.
43:22Tell me if I should be worried.
43:26You have a son, I think.
43:28Uh, yes.
43:31Asif.
43:31Jamila, is there any way that you and Asif
43:33can go and stay for the next few days
43:35that Christopher doesn't know about?
43:44On behalf of the Metropolitan Police,
43:46I wish to apologize to Mr. Carr and his family,
43:50and indeed to Hayley Reed's family,
43:52for any distress that has been caused by my mistake.
43:59I wish to reiterate
44:00that no arrests have been made.
44:03No one has been charged with anything,
44:06and that Mr. Carr is just one of many people
44:08who are helping us with our inquiries.
44:11I would like to remind people
44:13that publication of these documents online is illegal,
44:18and we will take action against anyone who does so.
44:21I would also remind members of the public
44:24that we will be seeking prosecution
44:27for any online activity
44:28that seeks to incite violence against Mr. Carr.
44:33And lastly, I would urge whoever found this document
44:37to take it to the nearest police station
44:40and hand it in as soon as possible.
44:44Peter Carr.
44:45Come on.
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