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00:01Our imperative is to find out exactly what did happen that night and right now I have lots of questions.
00:08If there is anything to find, it's gonna be with the head.
00:10Fogarty had four other probationers from Hendon with him. One of them was you.
00:14Am I a suspect here?
00:16I think we talk Friday about my money.
00:18We think you can help us throw some light on the events of an evening thirty years ago.
00:22We're done.
00:23And whoever sent you from upstairs, tell them nice try but no cigar.
00:25It's me. We need to meet.
00:27Evening everybody!
00:28DCI Cassie Stewart.
00:29I do remember Rob and that night, of course. How could you not?
00:32But not this lad.
00:33Do not tell your brother this.
00:34I have a criminal conviction. If we lost that money, you could ruin us.
00:37And what would you do for me in return?
00:38I want my half to go to Jenny.
00:40Given what I know that she'll be doing for me...
00:42I get it, Grandad. I understand.
00:44Could I just run a few other names past you? Liz Beldon?
00:47No.
00:48What are you doing? Are you insane?
00:50Tomorrow, eleven o'clock, pay for your train ticket in cash.
00:53I have a witness who can confirm that Walsh was being chased.
00:56Chase suggests that his murder was in some way provoked.
00:59Jake?
01:00Found the rest of him.
01:01For the rest of him.
01:02I haven't found himself before.
01:04I have never seen the rest of him.
01:05If he is a predator, I am a predator.
01:08I have never seen a predator.
01:10It is a predator.
01:11Oh, I am a predator.
01:12I am a predator.
01:13I am a predator.
01:14All we do is, all we do is hide away
01:19All we do is lie and wait
01:22All we do is, all we do is lie and wait
01:26I've been upside down
01:30I don't wanna be the right way around
01:34Confined paradise on the ground
01:44Heya
01:59Hey
02:01So how did it go?
02:13Yeah, good
02:16And?
02:20I think you need to let it go mum
02:23He knows exactly what he's doing, it's got nothing to do with her
02:28Right
02:30Sorry
02:32No, fine
02:35Just don't come running to me in ten years time when you've got no money for a deposit on a flat
02:40Right
02:42Well, well
02:43Now I know
02:44Thanks for that
02:46I'm so sorry
02:47Don't be daft, it's not your fault
02:50So, erm...
02:51Welcome home
02:52I'm so sorry
02:53I'm so sorry
02:54Don't be daft, it's not your fault
02:55So, erm...
02:56Welcome home
02:57Well, that sounds very nice
02:58Doesn't it?
02:59Doesn't it?
03:00How are the girls?
03:01How are the girls?
03:02How are the girls?
03:03Oh, very excited to have their own rooms, as you can see
03:05I'm so sorry
03:06I'm so sorry
03:07I'm so sorry
03:08I'm so sorry
03:09I'm so sorry
03:10I'm so sorry
03:11I'm so sorry
03:12I'm so sorry
03:13Don't be daft, it's not your fault
03:15So, erm...
03:17Welcome home
03:19Well, that sounds very nice
03:23Doesn't it?
03:24How are the girls?
03:25Oh, very excited to have their own rooms, as you can hear
03:29Yeah
03:30I need more of this
03:34I need more of this
03:36What's this?
03:37Year 10 to Vating Prize
03:38I won it
03:40When was this?
03:41Yesterday
03:43Erm...
03:44I didn't know
03:46I didn't know
03:48How are the girls?
03:50Oh, very excited to have their own rooms, as you can hear
03:51Yeah
03:52I need more of this
03:53What's this?
03:54Year 10 to Vating Prize
03:55I won it
03:56When was this?
03:57Yesterday
03:58I did tell you I was doing it, but you're Jack's evening, so...
04:07Oh, mate. Well done.
04:12So well done. That is just brilliant.
04:16And I'm so sorry if we're not always on it.
04:19You know, he takes up a lot of our time.
04:22But you, you're an absolute star.
04:28It's really odd.
04:32Wow, he looks almost mummified.
04:34Well, with the fridge unplugged and open, that's pretty much what's happened.
04:38Can we be sure it is, Matthew?
04:40I'll be sending samples for DNA, obviously, but it is male.
04:44We have laryngeal prominence here.
04:47And a quick look at the teeth certainly suggests the right age group.
04:50And you know what I'm going to ask next?
04:52The answer is a cautious maybe.
04:54There's a depressed fracture over the temple here,
04:57which certainly has to be a contender for cause of death.
04:59But let me do an x-ray, open him up, and then let's see where we are.
05:03Okay.
05:04And did Jay call you yet?
05:05Jay?
05:06The forensic botanist.
05:07He's had some interesting results on the leaf material on the T-shirt.
05:10Er, er, no.
05:12Anyway, he'll call you.
05:14So, Murray's had a quick squint through the mobile phone records.
05:17No indication any of them are speaking to each other yet.
05:19Well, not on their regular phones, no.
05:21We're also looking into phone mass data.
05:24Cheers, Leanne. We'll speak later.
05:26Oh.
05:39Hi.
05:40DC Fran Lingley.
05:41Trying to trace a man we believe may have stayed here a few years ago.
05:44And that if you had any records on him name of Clive Walsh.
05:47Also, I spoke to Hendon first thing.
05:51Trying to locate that intakes lead trainer for us.
05:54Yeah.
05:56I just think the more of a sense we can get of them as people,
06:00because if this was a murder,
06:03that's just such an extraordinary thing for five newbie coppers to have been involved with.
06:08That doesn't just come out of nowhere, does it?
06:12Uh, yeah, okay.
06:14The last record we've got of Clive
06:16is he's been given a residential place just under two years ago
06:21in a halfway house in Bow.
06:41Fiona.
06:44Lizzie. Hello.
06:48I have to search you, I'm afraid.
06:51I'm sorry?
06:52I have to check you're not wearing a wire.
06:55I think...
06:57Jesus, Liz, what do you think I...
06:59Or I walk away.
07:00Liz, but...
07:02Okay.
07:04Okay, my God.
07:11I need to see your phone.
07:21I need to know you're not recording anything.
07:35So?
07:37I presume...
07:39They've spoken to you?
07:40The police?
07:42Yes.
07:44Then what have you said?
07:46I just told them the truth.
07:48Fiona.
07:50Like we agreed.
07:52I hope you did too.
07:54Oh, fuck.
07:56No, sorry.
07:58That was thirty years ago.
08:01What did you tell them then?
08:02I told them.
08:05I told them.
08:07I was too drunk to remember anything.
08:10Okay.
08:12Well, that can work for now.
08:14And if they interview you again,
08:17then the truth can slowly come back to you.
08:23Right.
08:28You remember it?
08:30Um...
08:33After Rob got pulled,
08:35you drove the rest of us home.
08:39Before taking his car back to his.
08:42Which was near where you lived.
08:45And how did I get from Rob's to my flat?
08:48You walked? Good.
08:54And then...
08:55What if they find out about the pub?
09:01They won't find out about the pub.
09:03They have no connection to us in the pub.
09:06No names anywhere.
09:08They might find someone.
09:09That's what they do.
09:10You should know.
09:12If they find out about that, then...
09:14They might find out about the rest.
09:18About what you did for me.
09:20They might find out about everything.
09:22I'm sorry.
09:27I can't...
09:29I can't just be cold and hard about it like you can.
09:34I'm trying to remain as dispassionate as possible.
09:37I think it's the most useful thing to do right now.
09:40I have to go.
09:46If you need to contact me, I've set up a hotmail.
09:52Betty 2902.
09:53You're still beautiful, V.
10:05I hope your life has been happy.
10:07So, three weeks before Matthew Walsh goes missing, he was coaching for an incident in a pub.
10:23A physical altercation with another drinker.
10:26Now, he wasn't charged, so it can't have been that serious.
10:28But the reason I mention it is because the pub it was in.
10:32The Eiffield.
10:33Our Eiffield?
10:34And the Lane.
10:35Now, pretty much everyone who trained at the academy drank at the Eiffield.
10:39So, I was stinking.
10:40What are the chances the ruck he had was with a probationer?
10:43Exactly.
10:44Nice.
10:46I like that, Murray.
10:48I like that very much.
10:58Ian Henderson, DCI Cassie Stewart, DI Sunny Card.
11:09Yeah, I trained all five of them.
11:12Okay, can we start with Rahm then, please?
11:14Rahm hasn't changed in 30 years.
11:17He was a cocky little runt back then, and from what I've heard, he's still a cocky little runt now.
11:21He used to play the race card at every opportunity, he still does from what I hear.
11:24When you say, er, play the race card, what do you mean?
11:29It checks to being called a packy on a daily basis.
11:32You come from Wales, you get called tough, Scotland, jock. It's the same difference.
11:35Yeah, it isn't, but let's maybe not go there right now.
11:37So, aside from being cocky, what was he like as a person? Was he good copper material?
11:42Here's the deal. I always thought Rahm would go right to the top, or end up in prison.
11:46Prison?
11:47Listen, the lad was a smart boy. There's no doubt about that.
11:50He was ambitious, charismatic, very funny. People liked him.
11:55And he was also fucking angry.
11:58He had a massive chip on his shoulder about his colour.
12:01You combine that with his risk-taking and his liking power a little too much, well, it makes him dangerous.
12:06But the proof of the pudding, you check his disciplinary record over the years, yeah?
12:09I mean, a guy obviously thought he was untouchable.
12:12And worse still, that he had a right to be.
12:14Now, personally, I think if he'd have been white, he'd have been inside by now.
12:17So you think he could have been capable of breaking the law?
12:20100%.
12:22Did you see anything, anything specific when you worked with him that led you to this conclusion?
12:27No.
12:29So that's just a generalised prejudice, then?
12:32You wanted my opinion, I'm giving it you.
12:35Okay, moving on.
12:36Dean Barton.
12:40Dino?
12:41Ah, well, Dino was the polar opposite.
12:43One of the most instinctive cuppers I ever trained.
12:45Fast-thinking, very analytical brain, great team player.
12:49Okay, so...
12:50Hello, mate.
12:51Well, Dean told me that...
12:52All right, Ron.
12:54He left because he didn't think he was a team player.
12:57All right, let me rephrase that.
12:59On a job he worked well alongside the others, yeah?
13:00But, er...
13:02Yeah, socially, yeah, I'd agree with you.
13:04Yeah, he was a loner.
13:06Very private.
13:07Secretive.
13:08Almost.
13:09But honest?
13:10You trusted him?
13:12Dino?
13:13He was as straight as a die.
13:17So, tell me about Liz Beldon.
13:20Oh, unsurprisingly, a natural.
13:22Yeah, the prof we used to call her.
13:24Great under pressure, very level-headed.
13:27Oh, she's a great team leader.
13:28She had a way of motivating people effortlessly.
13:31And was she out then?
13:33No, the climate was different to the day.
13:35Wasn't as easy to admit you were gay.
13:37So, no relationships that you remember?
13:39Well, not in an open sense, but she was as thick as thieves with one girl.
13:42Who was that?
13:44Your fourth name.
13:45Fiona Grayson?
13:47What a wet blanket, as we used to call her.
13:48Literally no idea what she was doing there.
13:50I mean, she was a perfectly capable lady, but she clearly hated the old set-up,
13:53and I wasn't surprised when I heard she quit.
13:55Okay.
13:57And finally, Rob Fogarty.
13:59Yeah, I like Rob.
14:01Nice guy.
14:02I felt sorry for him when I only got chucked off, but that did surprise me.
14:05He's not the sharpest knife.
14:07And he was a big guy.
14:08Was there any violence in him?
14:09No, the opposite.
14:10No, I really had to push him when we did restraint training.
14:13Well, there was nothing violent in Rob.
14:15He was a real gentle giant.
14:16Can you think of anything else connected to any of them that sticks in your mind?
14:19Anything you haven't already touched on?
14:22Yeah, there are five of them.
14:23They formed a little gang.
14:25And I was never quite sure what it was.
14:26I mean, they all came from very different backgrounds,
14:28had very different personalities, but there was some sort of connection.
14:34Then on the day of the passing out parade, I think I saw what it was.
14:37What?
14:38Not one of them had a guest.
14:39Yeah, yeah, exactly right.
14:40I mean, everyone has guests, don't they?
14:42Mums, dads, siblings, friends, someone, but no.
14:46No, not them.
14:49And I think that's what their connection was.
14:54For whatever reason,
14:57they were out on their own.
15:00So you're going to be able to find stuff out, do you think?
15:03If it moves forward, keep us ahead of the game?
15:05I'll do what I can.
15:06But obviously if they start looking at us closely,
15:08they'll be looking at me closely, so...
15:11Bottom line, we stick to the truth, do you know?
15:12We'll be fine.
15:13We hope.
15:17So I gotta go, fella.
15:20That business the other day all went alright?
15:22Yeah.
15:23Yeah, it was fine.
15:24Thanks for helping out.
15:25Short notice.
15:27Last time, yeah?
15:28I've moved on now.
15:30Absolutely, me too.
15:31It's a one-off.
15:34You look after yourself, buddy.
15:35Yeah, I knew.
15:36Hello, is it Clive?
15:37Yes.
15:38Hello, Clive.
15:39Hello, is it Clive?
15:40Yes.
15:41Hello, Clive.
15:42My name's DC Fran Lingley, and I have some news about your brother, Matthew.
15:43Sweet Sicily?
15:44Yeah.
15:45Yeah.
15:46So, it's native to the north, which means you're...
15:47very likely to find it growing wild down here.
15:48Yeah.
15:49Okay.
15:50So, within the rough area, he was last seen.
15:51So, within the rough area, he was last seen.
15:52So, it's native to the north, which means you're very likely to find it growing wild down here.
16:05Okay.
16:06So, within the rough area, I'd be looking for vegetable plots in gardens, or, and for me, this is the most likely scenario, an allotment.
16:12Right.
16:14Uh, and he's happy to come in?
16:15Yeah, he is.
16:16Okay.
16:17Okay.
16:18Uh, we're on our way back.
16:19He'll be there at about 20.
16:20Okay.
16:21See you then.
16:22Okay, Clive.
16:23Shall we get going?
16:24Okay, Clive.
16:25Shall we get going?
16:26Fran's found the brother.
16:27Who's brother?
16:28Matthew Walsh's.
16:29Turns out, he was with Matthew the night he disappeared.
16:30No.
16:31He was having a pee in the bushes when the car pulled up.
16:33Saw everything.
16:34Oh, no.
16:35Oh, no.
16:36No.
16:37No.
16:38No.
16:39No.
16:40No.
16:41No.
16:42No.
16:43No.
16:44No.
16:45No.
16:46No.
16:47No.
16:48No.
16:49No.
16:50No.
16:51No.
16:52No.
16:53No.
16:54No.
16:55No.
16:57No.
16:58No.
16:59No.
17:00No.
17:01No.
17:02Yeah.
17:03I remember the case because of his colour.
17:05Whose colour?
17:06The probationer involved in the altercation.
17:08Sir, the arrest sheet details that Walsh made a pass at a woman.
17:12Who was also a probie, I think.
17:14And she blanked him and he got a bit leery and then alleged she was having a drink, we'd have intervened and that's when it all kicked off.
17:20After Walsh made racially abusive remarks, I think.
17:23And I'm assuming it was just a bit of handbags because Walsh only got cautioned.
17:26No, not at all. Walsh actually gave the lad a bit of a kicking.
17:30So?
17:30So he was let off because my sergeant wanted it buried.
17:36If Walsh had been charged, then there would have been a court case
17:38and the probationer would have gotten in trouble and...
17:42Obviously, we just started recruiting ethnic minorities,
17:45so it wouldn't have played out well for anyone.
17:47So the fact there's no other names in this report apart from Walsh's,
17:50that was deliberate?
17:51I didn't write this report, my sergeant did, and he's been dead ten years, but...
17:55Yeah?
17:57I'm guessing he was protecting the witnesses, the girl,
18:03and very particularly the Asian lad.
18:08As we were walking across Napoli Green, I decided to duck into a bush for a pee.
18:14Just as I did, I heard a shout,
18:16Oi! Walsh, you boy!
18:18I turned.
18:19I saw this car about 50 yards away with a bloke getting out the front passenger seat,
18:26and he was just running at Matty.
18:28And do you remember what he looked like?
18:29The Asian guy.
18:31And what did your brother do?
18:32Well, the bloke looked pretty useful and angry.
18:35And there was others in the car, so he just ran.
18:39And I had just a second or two to decide.
18:43You know, shame that there was two of us.
18:46Make him think twice, maybe.
18:48Except I'd never had a fight in my life.
18:50So I ducked down.
18:55And I hid.
18:59And then the driver got out.
19:01Tall fella.
19:03Ran off in the direction of the others.
19:05And then about 30 seconds later, the third man.
19:09I could still see two others in the back seats.
19:13After about five minutes, they got out as well.
19:16And they walked quickly off in the direction the others had gone.
19:23But these two were women.
19:24And that was it.
19:28I never saw them.
19:31Or my brother.
19:33Again.
19:35Why did you never say anything about this at the time?
19:39I had a job.
19:41In Cyprus, in a club.
19:43I had to fly on the next day to start.
19:46This was before my boat farm,
19:47so I didn't even hear that he was missing for weeks.
19:51And then when I did get back, early June,
19:54pretty much everyone just reckoned he was lying low
19:56because there'd be warrants that was out for him.
19:59Everyone reckoned he'd just turn up one day.
20:07Except me.
20:08Because in the gut,
20:11I think I knew that he died that night.
20:19And the reason I never said anything
20:21that's because I did not want anyone to know
20:25what a snivelling, gutless coward I was.
20:42Okay.
20:44So we now know for sure that they all got out.
20:46And in pursuit of the victim.
20:47Exactly.
20:48Which means, as far as I'm concerned,
20:51they're definitely all in the throne now.
20:52So here is an allotment.
21:10And if we draw a line up from where the car stopped,
21:13up here,
21:16up here,
21:18and ending somewhere
21:21in the allotment,
21:23it fits very well with the various witness statement signs
21:26of the chase.
21:27And if we can identify where exactly on the allotment
21:29this plant might have grown,
21:30we might find his actual place of death.
21:32I mean, my guess is,
21:34it would have to have been near the road
21:35to pull the car up to.
21:36Maybe we can even get some boards up.
21:39Might trigger some old memories.
21:40Yeah, absolutely.
21:41Okay, very good.
21:43Kaz.
21:43The only concrete thing I have
21:45is on Fiona Grayson,
21:46a 1993 dangerous driving conviction.
21:49Trying to get the original files.
21:50Okay.
21:50But nothing on Elizabeth Bailden
21:52and nothing on, well,
21:54apart from his internal and disciplinary record
21:56on Ramjeet Sidhu.
21:57Which we're looking into.
21:58Yep.
21:59And Dean Barton, no criminal record.
22:00Although I am having trouble
22:01finding a couple of basic documents.
22:03Can't find his birth certificate
22:04and I can't find him on the census pre-91.
22:07Okay.
22:08And something else just to feed in us back
22:10round, all five of them
22:11had no guests
22:12at their passing out parade.
22:14No family, no friends,
22:16no nothing.
22:17Yeah.
22:18I know, it's one to mull on, maybe.
22:20And definitely a picture's starting to emerge
22:22of Ram Sidhu being a person
22:24who pushed the envelope even back then.
22:26We know he was probably first out of the car.
22:28So was probably the most likely
22:31to catch up with Matthew first.
22:33And then this afternoon,
22:36Murray slightly struck gold.
22:37So three weeks before Matthew disappeared,
22:40we got pretty good evidence
22:41to suggest that in a pub in Endon,
22:44he committed an ABH on Ram Sidhu.
22:47No.
22:47The fight was over a girl.
22:48No names in the arrest sheet,
22:50but we know our suspects were a bit of a gang,
22:51so there's a fair chance
22:52that they were all drinking together that night.
22:54And the girl was even Fiona Grayson
22:56or Liz Bailden.
22:57For various reasons,
22:59Walsh only got a caution.
23:00And Murray's trying to track down
23:02Susie Montgomery, the landlady.
23:04But I think alongside opportunity,
23:07fairly reasonable now to suggest
23:08we also have a possible motive.
23:12Albeit one that for whatever reason
23:15seems to have escalated from a reciprocal slap
23:18to something far more violent
23:21and involving four other people.
23:23So I think we pull Sidhu in now,
23:25confront him with this,
23:26and see what we get.
23:28Thank you, guys.
23:29You don't think we should wait
23:44till Murray finds out
23:45if Montgomery's still around?
23:46I mean, if she can ID Sidhu
23:48or any one of the women, it will.
23:49Well, the chances.
23:50I mean, I was drinking in the Eiffel
23:51just a few months later,
23:52and she was about 500 years old.
23:55So, no.
23:56Let's get him in now, please.
24:01Sure.
24:01Sure.
24:26Hey.
24:34Heya.
24:35Hi.
24:36It's a nice surprise.
24:37Were you up anyway, or...?
24:38No, no, you're on a whim.
24:39I thought if you had a half an hour,
24:41maybe we could just...
24:42Oh, no, no, I haven't got half an hour.
24:44OK, ten minutes?
24:47About five.
24:49I don't generally take lunch
24:51if you booked me last week, or...
24:53Booked you?
24:53Well, OK.
24:54I'm sorry, I don't mean that like...
24:55No, no, no, no, it doesn't matter, it's fine.
24:57OK, I'll be quick then.
24:59So, um, I went into all the agencies near mine,
25:01got a list of all the properties within our range,
25:03that way we can get an idea of what we're after.
25:05So, um, why don't you take a look,
25:07and we can discuss later.
25:09Ah.
25:10Oh, perfect.
25:12Thank you so much for doing that.
25:15Yeah, yeah, no problem.
25:16Have you spoken to your dad again?
25:18Uh, not since Eddie took him out, no.
25:21I spoke to a lawyer, though.
25:23A lawyer?
25:23Yeah, only from work, mate for mate.
25:27I just wanted the top line on our right.
25:30Cass.
25:31I mean, listen, it's your life,
25:33but I don't think a lawyer is the way to go.
25:36Yeah, I know, I know.
25:36I just...
25:37Oh, fuck, I can't lose this anger, John.
25:43I wish I could, but now on top of everything else,
25:48that woman, she's just...
25:51Yeah, I know, I get that.
25:52I do, but please don't tell either of them
25:56you've spoken to a lawyer, because I'll just...
25:57Yeah, yeah, I know.
25:58Oh, I've got to go.
26:04I'll look at these later, and, um...
26:06It's a nice idea.
26:09But next week, hopefully, I'll be freer,
26:10and then let's do it properly.
26:11Yeah, I'll book you in.
26:13Piss off.
26:13Hey.
26:28Been trying to get a hold of you.
26:30Claire had no idea where you were.
26:32I was at a meeting, why?
26:33Jack's temperature's gone up to 101.
26:35Oh, no.
26:36Do you think it's another infection?
26:38Oh, I don't know.
26:39His chest sounds dreadful, so, um...
26:42So I've called the GP.
26:42All right, I'll go and see him.
26:47You never told me the police had interviewed you?
26:56Yeah, Claire made some joke about you being banged up
26:58when I asked her where you were.
27:02Apparently, a detective came to the office the other day.
27:05Yeah, I didn't want to worry you.
27:07What was it about?
27:12Not that.
27:16No?
27:17No.
27:19There's nothing that's ever going to be able to connect us to that now.
27:25Promise.
27:28So what was it about?
27:29Just some weird historical case.
27:33Some 30-year-old murder.
27:35They thought I might have known one of the suspects.
27:37Jesus.
27:39Did you?
27:40No, of course not.
27:41The interview lasted five minutes.
27:43It's fine.
27:45Let me go out and see the lad.
27:4730th of March, 1990.
28:00The day of your passing out parade.
28:01Do you remember it?
28:02Of course.
28:02Good day.
28:05Lovely.
28:06Proud of your achievement?
28:08Very.
28:09So why no family there?
28:11To share your day with you?
28:14Because I was supposed to be a doctor or a lawyer
28:17or going to the family business, apparently.
28:20And how did that make you feel,
28:21that no one came to celebrate with you?
28:24Sad.
28:24But I knew they'd come round, which they did.
28:26I think they're very proud of me now.
28:29You went to a party that night?
28:33Yeah.
28:35Do you remember who you went with?
28:37No.
28:39Or what time you left?
28:4030 years later.
28:41No, I'm sorry.
28:43Okay.
28:43Do you remember who you left with?
28:46A couple of them, yeah.
28:48Okay.
28:48Who was that?
28:50Rob and Liz Fogarty and Belden.
28:53Okay.
28:56Well, completely understandably,
28:58you couldn't remember who you went with,
29:00but quickly remembered who you left with.
29:03Is there a reason that those names have stuck in your mind?
29:06Because of something that happened that night.
29:09What was that?
29:11So, Rob,
29:13who was our designated driver,
29:16unbeknownst to any of us,
29:18had actually had a few drinks that night.
29:20Dumb luck on the way back into town,
29:22he got pulled over by the traffic cop.
29:23He was breathalyized, was over the limit,
29:25and he was nicked.
29:28Ended his career before he even started.
29:30So, he got nicked, got taken away.
29:32How did you then get home after that?
29:34I think...
29:35Lizzie was allowed to drive Rob's car.
29:38I think...
29:40she dropped us off in town first
29:42and then dropped Rob's car at his house.
29:45And, um, you still see Liz Belden?
29:48No.
29:49I mean, at the old police event,
29:50but no more than that.
29:51Have you discussed this with her
29:52over the past few days?
29:53No.
29:55Okay.
29:56That's because your recollections
29:58are pretty much identical.
30:01Yeah, yeah.
30:02It's what happened, so...
30:04And you don't remember
30:05any of the other people in the car?
30:07No.
30:08Dean Barton?
30:10Fiona Grayson?
30:11I'm sorry.
30:15And when the car was stopped
30:16by the police officer,
30:17was that the first time
30:19that journey that it had stopped?
30:21Yeah.
30:22Okay.
30:26So, I'm gonna show you
30:27a photo of a man now,
30:29the victim in this investigation,
30:31in fact,
30:31name of Matthew Walsh,
30:33and I'd just like to know
30:34if his face is in any way
30:36familiar to you.
30:37No.
30:44I'll have a good look.
30:49No.
30:52Okay.
30:53I ask because
30:55we have a witness
30:56who says he saw a car
30:57with five people in it.
30:59One unusually tall man,
31:00two women,
31:01and an Asian man
31:02pull up near a patch of ground
31:04called Napoli Green.
31:05And this is about
31:06a mile before
31:08where you were pulled over
31:09by the traffic cop.
31:10And the witness says
31:11that one of the men
31:12that matches your description
31:14got out calling
31:15Oi, Walshy Boy,
31:17and then chased after the victim.
31:19Psst.
31:20So, is your witness what?
31:22What does that have to do
31:23with anything?
31:23Okay.
31:24I'm not being funny or anything,
31:25but to them,
31:26we do all slightly look the same.
31:28So, you don't recognise this event?
31:29You don't recognise the name,
31:31Matthew Walsh,
31:32or, indeed, his face?
31:34In fact, none of this
31:34rings any bells.
31:35No, I'm sorry.
31:36Okay.
31:37So, I think that you know
31:39perfectly well
31:40who Matthew Walsh is,
31:41and I think you know him
31:43because only three weeks
31:43before this incident,
31:44I think you had
31:45a racially instigated fight
31:46with him in a pub in Hendon.
31:48Sorry, what evidence
31:48have you got for this allegation?
31:49This was in the eye field.
31:51Yeah.
31:51What evidence?
31:52Did you used to drink in there?
31:54Listen.
31:55I don't know where you're coming from
31:59with all this,
32:00but I'll give you the benefit
32:03of the doubt
32:03and assume it's not
32:04from the same place
32:05as 90% of the crap
32:06I have to deal with
32:06comes from,
32:07but you have nothing here.
32:14I mean,
32:15a witness comes out
32:16of the woodwork
32:1730 years after the event
32:18and says he saw
32:19an Asian guy
32:19get out of a car
32:20and then a random
32:21packy in a pub.
32:23Are you serious?
32:28Sorry, guys,
32:29but I think we're done here.
32:42Don't.
32:42I just...
32:43I just think we need
32:44to slow down, boss.
32:46I just want it over.
32:49I shouldn't even be here.
32:50So I heard her
33:10the other day.
33:12The police officer with you.
33:16I'm sorry?
33:17Me too.
33:17that I have to resort to this.
33:22You should have been better,
33:23Elizabeth.
33:27I'm sorry, Eugenia.
33:29I have no idea
33:31what you're talking about.
33:32I'm not a greedy person.
33:34I don't want luxuries.
33:36But I do want to be able
33:38to heat our flat,
33:39to feed my child properly,
33:41and once in a while,
33:43and once in a while,
33:43very rarely,
33:44buy her a pretty dress
33:46from Primark.
33:48So really,
33:49not a lot,
33:50and a fraction
33:51of what you have.
33:52But still apparently
33:53too much for you.
33:54No, I didn't say that.
33:55287 pounds.
33:58My overdue gas bill.
34:01And nine pounds an hour.
34:05That's what I'm blackmailing you for.
34:08Which sounds pathetic,
34:11even to me.
34:12But if you don't give me this,
34:14I will tell the police
34:15what your mother told me.
34:18Which I don't think you want.
34:20so have a think
34:25and then maybe...
34:27No, I don't have to have a think.
34:29You can have it.
34:48Hey!
34:50I just had a call
34:58from my brother.
34:59He said he could not,
35:01in all conscience,
35:02keep what you told him from me.
35:05And so I was just wondering
35:06if you had a conscience.
35:09I was just wondering
35:10if you felt you could maybe
35:11give your partner
35:13a bit of a heads up
35:14as to what the fuck
35:14was going on.
35:2027 years ago,
35:33I killed a child.
35:38They said I was speeding,
35:50doing 42 in a 30-mile area.
35:54And I lost control
35:55going around a corner.
35:56I don't actually think
35:59she was on the wrong side
36:00of the road.
36:02Either way,
36:04we collided.
36:06And there was a toddler
36:07in the back,
36:09in a car seat,
36:11who wasn't properly fastened.
36:14And he died.
36:15the little boy.
36:20And I received
36:21a conviction
36:22for death
36:23by dangerous driving.
36:24How...
36:28How could you never
36:31have told me this?
36:32I'm so, so, so sorry.
36:37Was it your fault?
36:39I don't think so.
36:42But I'm not sure
36:43I'll ever really know.
36:48I'm just stunned, V,
36:49that you
36:50felt you could
36:52keep something
36:53so significant
36:54from me
36:55for 17 years.
36:57How do you do that?
36:59How do you do that
36:59and stay safe?
37:01I mean,
37:02is there anything else
37:05you need to tell me?
37:08No.
37:09That's it.
37:16If we lose our deposit,
37:19I swear, Fiona,
37:20I mean,
37:28what do people
37:29want the police to be?
37:31Hmm?
37:33Do they want us
37:34to be like them,
37:35just normal human beings
37:37who will screw up,
37:38who will make mistakes?
37:40And we all accept that.
37:42We all say sorry
37:42and move on
37:43and that's the deal.
37:46Or do they want to believe
37:48that we're not the same,
37:49that we got some kind
37:50of special powers
37:51that they don't
37:52because, you know,
37:53that makes them feel
37:53safer in their beds.
37:58What do they want?
38:01Because it's got to be
38:01one or the other.
38:02We can't be both.
38:03Hey, I can't even work
38:05the Apple remote,
38:06so...
38:06Hey, what's the matter?
38:20Hey, hey, hey.
38:24What's wrong, Blake?
38:26Do you ever get angry,
38:28Dean?
38:30A jack?
38:31A jack?
38:32Yeah, and I don't
38:35just mean for being naughty,
38:36I mean for...
38:38for being him.
38:43Oh, no.
38:44No.
38:49I do.
38:52Sometimes,
38:52not often, like...
38:55a half-dozen times
38:57in his entire life,
38:58maybe, I, um...
38:59I blame him.
39:06I blame him,
39:08not his disability.
39:14For what I tell myself,
39:16he's stolen from us,
39:17from you,
39:19from me,
39:20and from Cass.
39:21Oh.
39:22And I am telling you this,
39:23Dean.
39:26Because I want you to know
39:27that I am not
39:28who you think I am.
39:30That part of me
39:31is just an awful person.
39:34But an awful person
39:35who, well,
39:36at least I hope,
39:38despite what I have
39:39just told you,
39:40you still love.
39:41Well, of course.
39:43So surely,
39:44surely,
39:45that means you can
39:46tell me stuff
39:47about your past.
39:51About your family,
39:52whoever they are.
39:53things that maybe
39:57you think
39:58will make me
39:58hate you
40:00or fear you
40:02or either.
40:03I don't know,
40:03because it just won't.
40:07But what is
40:08killing me
40:09is the secrets.
40:11The years
40:12of secrets.
40:15Of writing
40:15a Mother's Day card
40:17to a mother
40:18you told me
40:18had died.
40:20going to Calais
40:22when we were
40:23supposed to have
40:23given up
40:24all that crap
40:24years ago.
40:25You were lying
40:25about where
40:26you are today.
40:27I can't take it
40:28anymore.
40:28I just,
40:29I can't take
40:30the secrets
40:30and lies.
40:31Not when we've
40:32got so much
40:33else to deal
40:33with.
40:34So please,
40:35just talk to me,
40:36Dean.
40:38You're tired,
40:39Ma.
40:39I am too.
40:40No, Dean.
40:41We will do this,
40:43but not now.
40:45Please.
40:46Dean.
40:46Please.
40:47Please.
40:47Please.
40:47Please.
40:47Please.
40:47Please.
40:47Please.
40:47Please.
40:49Please.
40:51He's just down
40:52there at the
40:52end of the
40:535th day.
40:54Cheers,
40:54mate.
41:10So those
41:11are the
41:11original files
41:12connected to
41:13Fiona Grayson's
41:13driving conviction
41:14in 93.
41:15And it
41:15turns out
41:16that a
41:16child died
41:18during this
41:18incident
41:19in the
41:19car
41:19that she
41:19collided
41:20with.
41:20Wow.
41:21One of
41:21the officers
41:21attending
41:22smelled
41:23alcohol
41:23on Fiona's
41:24breath
41:24and so
41:24obviously
41:24tried
41:25to
41:25give
41:25her
41:25a
41:25test
41:25at
41:25the
41:25time
41:26but
41:26she was so upset
41:27crying hysterically
41:28that they were unable
41:29to successfully
41:30give her one at the
41:31scene so she was
41:31arrested and taken to
41:32the local
41:33Nick where a blood
41:33test was taken
41:34there instead.
41:35And?
41:36It was lost.
41:37Lost?
41:38Lost where?
41:38The lab or the
41:39Nick?
41:40The Nick.
41:40Before it got sent
41:41to the lab.
41:41Which Nick was
41:42this?
41:43Kingston.
41:43Are you heading
41:44where I think
41:44you're heading?
41:45So I checked where
41:46both Rams to do
41:47and Liz Beldon
41:47worked at the time.
41:48And?
41:49Beldon worked at
41:50Kingston Nick
41:51from 91 to 94.
41:53Oh man.
41:54Yep.
41:54And in the 91
41:55census it details
41:56Liz and Fiona
41:57as living at the
41:58same address
41:58in Thames Ditton
42:00about a mile or so
42:00from Kingston
42:01town centre.
42:02But at the time
42:03of this offence
42:03they're living at
42:04separate addresses
42:04but both are still
42:06in the same area.
42:07If that blood test
42:08had come back
42:09positive
42:09Fiona Grayson
42:10would be in jail.
42:11Definitely.
42:12Okay so there
42:12are three
42:13explanations here.
42:14One
42:15this was just
42:15a coincidence.
42:18Two
42:18they
42:19were an item
42:20and
42:21she contrived
42:22to have the
42:23blood sample loss
42:23for personal
42:24reasons
42:25and then
42:26three
42:26they weren't
42:29an item
42:29but Liz Beldon
42:32was blackmailed
42:32Fiona Grayson
42:33using whatever
42:34the fuck
42:34happened with
42:35Matthew Walsh
42:35as some kind
42:36of
42:36leverage.
42:38when they
42:40want my
42:40money's on.
42:47Leanne.
42:47Hey Cass
42:48any chance
42:49you can pop in
42:49for five minutes
42:50when you have
42:50a chance?
42:53What can I say?
42:56Just now
42:57we found out
42:58just now
42:59it's actually
43:00happened.
43:04I feel
43:05differently.
43:07Jesus
43:08I know
43:08I'm sorry
43:10but
43:11I've just
43:12spent the last
43:12seven days
43:13slightly killing
43:14myself mentally
43:15to get to
43:16where you were
43:16trying somehow
43:19to find a way
43:20of thinking
43:20that we didn't
43:21have to do
43:22this thing
43:23this brutal
43:26really horrible
43:29thing
43:29you just
43:33you just changed
43:33you just changed
43:33your mind
43:33I just
43:36I just
43:36was something
43:42happened to me
43:43or if I got
43:44ill
43:44or I don't know
43:46anything
43:47I mean you had
43:48to do it all
43:48on your own
43:49you know
43:50I just started
43:51to think
43:51how difficult
43:52that would be
43:52for you
43:53I mean I'm not
43:53definitely saying
43:54we do go for
43:54termination
43:55I'm not saying
43:56that yet
43:56I'm just saying
43:57can we
43:58keep thinking
44:01for a bit longer
44:03okay am I
44:14seeing what
44:15I think I'm
44:15seeing
44:16so
44:16I'm seeing
44:18a sharp
44:19ended object
44:20approximately
44:21ten centimetres
44:22long
44:22maybe
44:23three quarters
44:24of a centimetre
44:25wide
44:25inside the
44:26skull cavity
44:27and what do
44:27we think
44:28that is
44:28no idea
44:29I need to
44:29open the
44:30skull up
44:30now
44:30it got in
44:31pre or
44:31post mortem
44:32again I
44:33don't know
44:33until I
44:33open it
44:34up
44:34but best
44:35guess
44:36from its
44:36position
44:36you'd
44:37logically
44:37assume
44:37it
44:38entered
44:38through
44:38the
44:38temporal
44:39bone
44:39fracture
44:40which
44:40when I
44:41examined it
44:41properly
44:42actually
44:42contained
44:43remnants
44:43of
44:43brick
44:43dust
44:44so
44:44two theories
44:46firstly
44:47he was being
44:48chased
44:48and at some
44:49point
44:49he tripped
44:50and fell
44:50hitting his
44:51head
44:51on a wall
44:52which
44:52maybe had
44:53a metal
44:54spike
44:55of some
44:55sort
44:55an old
44:56bolt
44:57from some
44:57railings
44:58or whatever
44:58and this
44:59is what
45:00killed him
45:00breaking off
45:01inside the
45:01skull
45:02or
45:02he tripped
45:05and fell
45:05hitting his
45:06head
45:06which rendered
45:07him unconscious
45:07and whilst
45:08unconscious
45:09he was
45:10basically
45:10stabbed
45:12through the
45:12head wound
45:12with this
45:13object
45:13jeez
45:14so
45:15first theory
45:17a chase
45:18that went
45:19tragically
45:20but accidentally
45:21wrong
45:22second theory
45:25this was no
45:28accident
45:28this was a
45:31very violent
45:31and very
45:33deliberate
45:34murder
45:36correct
45:37so
45:51so
45:52so
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