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Seth and Sean start to get amped to face the Chiefs by talking about the Texans' dominant defense and the AFC being pretty wide open this season. Are the stars aligning?
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00:00All these other teams that have to worry about the psychotic Texans defense coming after them.
00:05We don't headhunt anymore.
00:06That's gone out of vogue.
00:07We kidney hunt.
00:08Yes, yes, and we've been taught for many years, hunt for the kidneys, man.
00:12Yeah.
00:12Stay away from the head.
00:14That's where I think sometimes that's the whole thing.
00:16You know, you can't visualize a negative.
00:18It's the old thing that one of my old coaches used to say.
00:20So, for instance, in like a gentler part of the game, instead of saying, don't drop the ball, say, hold on to the ball.
00:28Likewise, instead of saying, don't hit him in the head, say, hit him in the kidneys.
00:33Hit him in the kidney.
00:34Hit him in the spleen.
00:36Accentuate what to do, not what not to do.
00:39Legal organ harvesting.
00:41Yes.
00:42Okay?
00:42Yes.
00:43That's all we're doing.
00:44We're just trying to get the donation process sped up.
00:46That's all.
00:47I do have a theory that is the Texans, and we've got a bunch of audio today of various people talking about how awesome and violent the defense is.
00:55Yeah.
00:55The Daniel Jeremiah, J.J. Watt, all of these things.
00:59But I also saw Mike Grable yesterday kind of defending the fact that they were trying to destroy Jackson Dart and saying, look, yeah, what of it?
01:06I do think that this generation of players has been raised in an environment where they've been taught from the time they were young not to hit the head.
01:16Yeah.
01:16So it took a while for the league to adjust to it and for these guys to filter up.
01:20But what we're seeing now with your Kamari Lassiter's, your Jalen Petrie's, your Will Anderson's, and so forth is, I think, like a super mutant breed of football players that understands how they can operate under the current rules of war but still operate very effectively.
01:38Yeah.
01:39You know?
01:39Yes.
01:39Oh, no.
01:40We can't use nerve gas anymore.
01:42Okay.
01:42But we'll figure out some ways to kill you still.
01:45Right.
01:45Right.
01:46Well, it's bloodlust.
01:48And what that younger generation has learned is, oh, the torso bleeds as well.
01:52Right.
01:53You know what?
01:54You know what bleeds?
01:55Everywhere on the human body if you hit it appropriately.
01:58Yeah.
01:58And it won't cause dementia later in life.
02:01That's right.
02:01You know?
02:02We're doing it.
02:02It's a sane and humane way to injure quarterbacks.
02:05That's exactly right.
02:07Did you see some of the hits in that?
02:08The one along the sidelines on Jackson Dart?
02:11Yeah.
02:11Jackson Dart is going to get his offensive line killed fighting for him unnecessarily after perfectly legal hits.
02:20Jackson Dart is that jackass that likes to start fights when he's out at a bar.
02:24And all his buddies are like, oh, all right, here we go.
02:28So, all right, yeah, I can't believe, can't believe that you got offended when my friend called your girlfriend a whore.
02:35All right, I guess we're getting in a fight.
02:36Yeah.
02:37Yeah.
02:37Yeah.
02:37Yeah, because if the offensive lineman had not come to his defense, that would have been a topic.
02:44Like, look, they don't even want to defend him when he gets hit like that on that perfectly legal hit by that guy.
02:49Yeah.
02:50It's so stupid, man.
02:51It's really dumb.
02:52He is a dummy, Jackson Dart.
02:53Now, it's very relevant because the Texans are facing an opponent who, last year, was the beneficiary of a couple of bogus roughing calls.
03:03Yeah, in the playoffs.
03:04Against Patrick Mahomes.
03:05Yeah.
03:06Patrick Mahomes Jr., right?
03:07Is it his father?
03:08His father, yeah.
03:09Yeah, his father is Patrick also.
03:11I don't know what number he is.
03:13P-Homey 2 is what I call him.
03:14Yeah.
03:14So, P-Homey 2 drew a couple of penalties last year that were obviously bogus, and the Texans talked about it in the offseason,
03:20about how, well, this is the current NFL, got to be sure we learn how to operate.
03:24Then I'm watching the Chiefs play last week, and man, against the Cowboys on the Chiefs' final touchdown drive,
03:31Mahomes scrambles for a first down, and the defensive back at the very end, at the sideline,
03:36and just lays off when he could have hit Mahomes, maybe just shy of the first down marker, but he held off.
03:43Yeah.
03:44And these are the decisions you have to make, because Mahomes, and then Mahomes gets shoved by another defender,
03:49lightly, like at the sideline, and of course, tumbles to the earth.
03:53Oh, yeah.
03:54There's no flag drawn or anything.
03:55Yeah, yeah, yeah.
03:56No, he made it look like a really hard hit.
03:58Right.
03:59Yeah, that'll be, it's, there is that narrative out there for the game this weekend.
04:02On the heels of a game where the Texans, you know, benefited from a couple of calls,
04:06we don't see that a lot.
04:07Now we head into Kansas City.
04:10Yeah, Aziz Elshire, remember Aziz Elshire was banged up in the playoff game.
04:14By the way, yesterday I was doing a live stream, and I've never been more annoyed.
04:18I had all these people well-actually-ing me as I was talking about Aziz Elshire
04:22and some of his struggles in the last time the Texans faced the Chiefs.
04:25Yeah.
04:25And they were saying, he didn't play last year.
04:27He didn't play in the game last year.
04:28Right, they played him twice.
04:30Yeah.
04:30But I don't understand where that even comes from.
04:35If you're a fan of the Texans and you watch the playoff game,
04:38you would remember that Aziz Elshire was out there.
04:41He sure was.
04:41Yeah, yeah.
04:42His injury was probably part of the reason that Travis Kelsey went off like he did.
04:46That was, okay, that was my next question.
04:48I was trying to remember which game.
04:50Kelsey had a huge game in one of the two.
04:52I get the two games.
04:52Yeah, it was the playoff game he went off in.
04:54Okay.
04:54I get the two games mixed up because they were so close on the calendar,
04:57and the final scores were almost identical.
05:00Those games were almost identical.
05:02The Texans were in it until the fourth quarter,
05:05and I think in both games they scored a touchdown that would have tied the game,
05:08and Kaimi misses an extra point.
05:10In both games that happened because the Tank Dell touchdown would have tied the game
05:13if Kaimi – that was the salt in the wood.
05:15That was the adding insult to injury.
05:17You lost Tank Dell to a knee injury on a touchdown,
05:19and then Kaimi misses the PAT.
05:22You got me fact-checking myself, you know,
05:24because I don't trust my brain as much as yours.
05:25Yeah, Kelsey last year in the playoffs had seven receptions for 117 yards.
05:30Yeah, I knew he was.
05:30And a lot of it was yardage after the catch.
05:32The tackling was bad.
05:34The angles were bad.
05:35The leverage was bad.
05:36And part of it was, I think, Aziz Elshire was just –
05:39he was also not moving all that great.
05:40Yeah.
05:41I'm more concerned in this game about the speed on the outside than I am Travis Kelsey.
05:46I'm – you know what?
05:48Hmm.
05:48I'm concerned about all of them because that's –
05:50the speed on the outside helps Travis Kelsey as well.
05:53Yeah.
05:53I'm concerned about Travis Kelsey because what we saw last week from the Colts
05:56was some chunk plays over the middle, you know, wide-open swaths of green grass.
06:02Yeah.
06:02Where the – and if you're concerned about speed on the outside, that tends to happen.
06:08So with – where you're down now to the sixth person who's played safety
06:13opposite of Kalen Bullock this year for you – no, fifth.
06:16Sorry, fifth.
06:18Fifth safety that has played opposite of Kalen Bullock.
06:21That's – that – like, just not letting Travis Kelsey get easy opportunities
06:25for chunk plays over the middle.
06:27That's all part and parcel to the fact that Mahomes has a bunch of different receiving options.
06:32Yeah, yeah.
06:32There was no Rasheed Rice in that game – in either game last year either.
06:36And Rasheed Rice has been really good since coming back from suspension.
06:39He's been –
06:40You looked like you were about to say something.
06:42Oh, no.
06:43I wanted to let you get back in control of the ship.
06:46It's all good.
06:47It's all good.
06:48Here was –
06:49We spent seven minutes kind of diverting off into bloodlust and violence.
06:52I know.
06:53It felt good, didn't it?
06:54Yeah.
06:54It felt kind of good.
06:55Here was Daniel Jeremiah yesterday.
06:59He was on the Jim Rome Show, and as was Nick Casario yesterday.
07:02Daniel Jeremiah talking about the – kind of how physical teams – now, this kind of plays
07:10into the bloodlust thing that you're talking about, Seth.
07:12Physical teams rule the day now in the NFL.
07:14I talk to guys all the time, man, and GMs around the league.
07:17They're all singing the same song, which is like, of all the years, this is the year.
07:22Just punch your ticket.
07:23Just get in.
07:24If you can get into the tournament, everybody feels like they got a shot to win it if they
07:28can just get in there.
07:29I don't think there is this, you know, unbeatable dominant force like we've seen in years past,
07:34whether it was Philly last year, kind of felt inevitable to some degree.
07:37We've seen it with those Kansas City teams and, you know, then go back into those Patriot
07:40teams.
07:41It doesn't feel like that juggernaut exists at this point in time.
07:45So, you know, that's kind of the theme that I've heard.
07:47And, you know, one thing I've noticed, and you saw it in a lot of games yesterday, was
07:50you're starting to see these physical teams.
07:53Now the weather's turning.
07:54We're into December.
07:55Like, the physical teams are starting to climb.
07:57Like, I don't know anybody wants to see the Houston Texans right now with how physical
08:01they're playing.
08:01Derek Brown and those Carolina Panthers, that's a physical bunch.
08:05You saw the Packers kind of out-physical the Detroit Lions.
08:09You saw the Bears bully the Eagles.
08:11Like, these physical teams, man, that seems to be kind of where the momentum is right now.
08:16So Sunday will be a major Petri dish for this theory.
08:21For Jalen Petri.
08:22For Jalen Petri, yes.
08:24Yes, yes.
08:25The Texans going to Kansas City will be a big test of what Jeremiah's saying right there.
08:32Yeah, and, you know, the Chiefs, if we're talking about physicality and all of that,
08:36let's talk about the Chiefs' defense.
08:38Because the Chiefs' defense, they're not as good as they have been the last couple years.
08:43And it's interesting, because I'm looking over their numbers yesterday and looking over
08:46some of their injuries and everything.
08:47And they're still, they're allowing the exact same number of points per game that they did
08:53for last year's regular season.
08:55They're at 19 points per game defensively.
08:58What they're not doing is taking the ball away or making huge impact, just big splash plays.
09:05And they're not, they're just not as scary in terms of either their effectiveness, their
09:11interceptions, their tackles for a loss, all of that.
09:14It's just a little bit off, but they're still a solid defense.
09:18Sure.
09:18And they've been playing close games.
09:20They're just losing a lot of these one-score games.
09:22But the Texans' defense, I mean, it jumps off the film at you compared to most other defenses
09:27in the league.
09:27They're just more violent.
09:28Yeah.
09:29They are just, they are just a bloodthirsty bunch.
09:33And their defensive line, their pass rush and their defensive backfield just complement each
09:39other.
09:39They're able to play a style of football that not a lot of teams can get away with, a style
09:44of coverage, everything else.
09:45It's just, it's really cool.
09:47It's really cool to watch.
09:48Yeah.
09:48It's going to be fun on Sunday.
09:50It's going to be cold.
09:51It's at night.
09:52It's going to be on prime time.
09:53The Texans can exercise a lot of demons on Sunday against the Chiefs, for sure.
09:57As far as the other kind of thing that people are noticing, when it goes in hand, I think,
10:02with the physical teams maybe starting to take over, it's that if you look at a lot
10:07of the teams at the top of the standings right now, unlike the past couple of decades, it
10:14doesn't seem to be all that quarterback driven.
10:17There really aren't, I mean, the Patriots, Drake May might end up being a Hall of Famer,
10:22who knows?
10:22But like, he's still relatively unproven, especially with the teams they've faced.
10:26Yeah.
10:26But then you have the Broncos, and like, I'm just going through the pro football talk power
10:31rankings for the hell of it.
10:32Rams, obviously.
10:33Stafford's doing a great job, but they also have one of the top defenses in the league.
10:38The Seahawks, who knows where they end up, because Sam Darnold has had a rough few outings
10:43these last few weeks.
10:44Yeah.
10:45The Bears, Caleb Williams is not actually playing all that well.
10:5031st in completion percentage right now.
10:52Ben Johnson has said, Ben Johnson flat out said, we're winning in spite of our passing
10:56offense.
10:56Yep.
10:57Not because of our passing offense, in spite of our passing offense.
11:00You know, the Packers, the Colts, the Bills, those guys, like the Colts and the Bills
11:05especially.
11:05Daniel Jones put up some great numbers early on.
11:08He's fallen back down to earth, and I don't know if the Colts can do it with Daniel Jones
11:11playing the way he is.
11:13Josh Allen not having his best year.
11:15The Jaguars, okay.
11:17Fine.
11:18Great.
11:18That's what, when Daniel Jeremiah says right there, he said something in that cut we just
11:24played that we've been saying for a couple of weeks now, as the Texans have crept back
11:29two and over 500, which is, this is a gettable AFC.
11:34This is a gettable league this year.
11:36The Texans, these rankings that you're reciting, Seth, the Texans are 12th right now.
11:41So they're in the upper, you know, basically in the upper third of the league, right on the
11:44cusp of it.
11:45But you look at the teams ahead of them, start at the very top.
11:49Drake May and Bo Nix are the two, are on the two, they're the quarterbacks of the two teams
11:54at the very top of the rankings.
11:55There are zero playoff wins and one playoff game between the two of them.
12:01The Rams are next.
12:02The Texans played them close.
12:04Seahawks are four.
12:05Separate topic.
12:06They didn't play well against the Seahawks.
12:07But if they face the Seahawks, it won't be in Seattle on Monday night like it was this
12:11time.
12:11And it's not going to be with Sam Darnold playing like he was that teams have started
12:15to figure out that defense, that offense a little bit.
12:17Bears are five.
12:19Caleb Williams, like you just said, not playing well.
12:22Packers are six.
12:23Jordan Love is very up and down.
12:24Then comes a slew of teams that you've beaten seven through 10.
12:28The Texans have beaten all these teams recently.
12:31They beat the Colts seven.
12:33They beat the Bills who are eight.
12:34They beat the Jags who are nine.
12:36They beat the Niners who are 10.
12:38And then the Eagles are 11.
12:39And they're all fighting with each other right now in Philadelphia.
12:43So those are all the teams that are ahead of the Texans right now.
12:45It does not look like it has in previous years where there's three or four juggernauts.
12:50You know, where like the teams behind, like there are a slew of teams behind the Texans
12:55that were all expected to be Super Bowl contenders this year.
12:58The Lions, the Chiefs, the Ravens, the Bengals.
13:02It's a strange year, and it can be taken advantage of.
13:06And I think there's a stark divide between the first half of the season and the second half of the season
13:11for a lot of these teams.
13:12You look at the teams that are clustered right behind the Texans,
13:17and man, the Lions are really falling off.
13:19The Chargers have some serious issues systemically.
13:24The Panthers are the one team that looks like, oh, look at them.
13:27Well, the Cowboys, the Bucs, all of those, it's just – it does.
13:32It feels like the most wide-open NFL that we've seen in a while.
13:36By far.
13:37By far, I think.
13:38There are plenty of people who picked the Eagles versus the Chiefs to play in last year's Super Bowl.
13:42Right.
13:42You know, I don't know.
13:44I'm going to guess there's a really good chance that whoever plays in this year's Super Bowl
13:48was the – like almost zero people predicted it,
13:52other than on a flyer or a whim or just trying to get some clicks.
13:55That's like when Ross asked us yesterday – we had Ross Tucker on yesterday,
13:59and when he asked us, we posed the question, would you rather be the three seed
14:04and play a home game against the Chiefs in the playoffs
14:07or be the seven seed and play a road game at the Broncos in the playoffs?
14:11And I think, honestly, if I'm just taking – I'd rather – in the playoffs,
14:15I'd rather play the Broncos on the road than Patrick – I'd then face Patrick Mahomes.
14:19And maybe we'll have a different opinion on that after this Sunday.
14:21But Ross's – Ross's response – he responded to our question with a question,
14:26which was, do you guys really think the Texans are winning the Super Bowl this year?
14:30And the answer, of course, even for the favorite, is always – it should be no.
14:33Like the percentage chance that you ask a specific team, even the favorite,
14:38do you think they're going to win the Super Bowl?
14:40The percentage –
14:40The field is always – the field is always greater than any one individual team.
14:44The favorite has like a 30% chance of winning the Super Bowl on the odds board.
14:48So the odds always say an individual team is not going to win the Super Bowl.
14:53I got the gist of his question, which was,
14:56do you think they have a chance to win the Super Bowl this year?
14:59And I have a buddy that texted me, Rick,
15:01and he was pissed at the tone Ross was taking with that question.
15:04Oh, really?
15:05Yeah, yeah.
15:05He said, the dismissiveness of Ross Tucker regarding the Texans' potential
15:09for winning the Super Bowl really bothered me this morning.
15:12No, dude, I don't agree.
15:14They've got a great shot.
15:16Get back to me when they win the division and have the best defense in the playoffs.
15:20Agree with you?
15:21No.
15:22F-O-H.
15:24Rick got mad.
15:24Send that to Ross.
15:26He needs a little dose of reality.
15:27That's right, man.
15:28He's getting a little too much love for his color commentating these days.
15:31So, you know, it's interesting.
15:33If you go to the Bronco,
15:34would you rather face the Broncos on the road or the Chiefs on the road?
15:37For me right now, I look at, man,
15:40the biggest advantage you have on this team is that your defense is so good.
15:44So I'd rather go face the team that doesn't have as good a defense.
15:49You know, I think both the Chiefs and the Broncos.
15:54Now, I'd be more worried about Pat.
15:57Actually, what Bo Nix has been able to do in the fourth quarter,
16:01where he can be an awful, awful quarterback for three quarters
16:03and then all of a sudden turn it on in the fourth quarter.
16:05I'm not so sure, especially in cold weather where Bo Nix is running,
16:10could be even that much more effective.
16:12I don't know if I fear Bo Nix or Pat Mahomes more in the fourth quarter right now.
16:16So I'll go.
16:16I would want to go on the Chiefs on the road
16:18because the Texans' defense is markedly better than the Chiefs' defense.
16:22I think they're better than the Broncos' offense,
16:24but it's not as marked a difference.
16:26It's a shame CJ got cussed in that game,
16:29not just because getting concussed sucks
16:30and not just because they lost the game.
16:32But we didn't – he was doing some good things.
16:35I know they got bogged down in the red zone,
16:37but he was doing some good things in that game.
16:39I don't put the red zone failure on that first drive on CJ.
16:42I put that on play calling.
16:44And it looked like CJ may have gotten in
16:48if there hadn't been a false start.
16:50Who knows?
16:50Yep.
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