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00:00we were talking to alice over dinner one night and we're talking man just you know so awesome
00:04you're still out here doing this he said i haven't played my best show yet what a
00:07sentiment from someone who has done it all rock metal frog and everything in between
00:15welcome to this episode of talk and rock with meltdown don't forget to follow the audio only
00:21talking rock podcast on all podcast platforms and now it's time for today's conversation here's
00:27meltdown hey chris good to see you again how are you doing good man how you doing good you're gonna
00:33be in town this coming saturday as we record this district 142 them dirty roses and aaron jones that
00:38guy's pretty good hell yes this dude this tour package has been one of my favorite headlining
00:44tours we've ever done in the united states it's just like raw unfiltered unadulterated rock and
00:51roll it's just straight to the point what it is and everybody's bringing it every night you know
00:56fans are leaving every night like all three bands were badass it's just you know dude it's
01:02it's rock and roll you know there's no uh there's no not a big production it's it's a band on stage
01:10with the lights at the house has playing rock and roll and we love that kind of stuff yeah i saw it
01:15last time i saw zach sabbath and i just talked to the guys from return to dust they were just here
01:19and uh both those bands you know zach sabbath they're using you know monitors you know same with us man
01:25me and ben me and ben have been on wedges for the longest time man it's it's wild like we even use
01:33like the the digital amp modelers like we're not even using the actual guitar amps and cabs we're
01:38using the cabs but we use the digital amps and most people that use those are on in-ears but
01:42we're old school man we rock wedges up front yeah of course yeah you're old school plus you know
01:47you know i i've never i've had in-ears in before you know and obviously not in a situation like what
01:52you guys are in but uh i feel like i i suppose you probably get used to it but you can't really
01:57hear the crowd yeah there's a there's a disconnect there and you know obviously you can have crowd
02:03microphones ambient microphones in the room um and when i use in-ears we would always have two mics on
02:10each side of the stage and then a stereo set right in front of me so it's like you know still here in
02:15the room but the problem was is i would get this awesome in-ear mix and then the first thing i'd want
02:20is for the engineer to destroy his mix by turning the the ambience mics up louder than the mix right
02:26i wanted to hear the room and you know so eventually that got to me running my in-ears way too loud so
02:32i was just you know i probably had permanent hearing damage from it but i just went back to wedges and
02:37earplugs man it's it's it's just it's way more comfortable for me yeah yeah it doesn't matter where
02:43we're playing either man like big festivals small clubs i want wedges and earplugs yeah no it's all
02:50about you know what what you like and what you prefer uh you know the the email that i received
02:54uh when i was going to talk to you said something about a tie-in with harley dealers do you guys do
02:58stuff with harley dealers across the country man we've played i i reckon harley dealers just like us
03:05for some reason we uh we have played several harley davidson locations around the country we uh i don't know
03:13if there's like a you know a deeper connection but our music works for what they do i guess you
03:19know we've played several around the country man it's it's always a great time they take good care
03:24of it yeah did you do you guys have motorcycles no my wife told me i wouldn't allow it she said i had
03:30to have four wheels under me because i can barely walk and talk at the same time well i will tell you
03:34this i've been married for 25 years and my piece of advice i could give anyone that got that that's
03:39getting married or whatever you lay down the rules first so i told my wife i said i ride harleys and
03:44i play hockey and i'm just about ready to put my harley away for the year and i played hockey
03:48yesterday and this morning so see how that works you got laid well yeah see me and my wife have been
03:53together for 20 we started dating in high school at 16 i'm 40 so 24 years right uh and i play guitar
04:03and collect pokemon that's my two thanks man so they're neither one of those are too dangerous
04:07i keep it pretty safe that's my deal you didn't strike me as a pokemon guy i didn't think i'd be
04:12saying those words today but here we are you never know what's going on hey dude i got an umbreon
04:16tattoo don't don't i mean look i've been sitting here playing switch and look at my controller
04:20i don't even know what umbreon is but i'll take your word for it come on now it's just i'm i'm kind
04:27of sad right now but it's okay i'm a nerd it is what it is yeah you got to have your own thing man
04:32so the new single new video is out uh for celebrate uh the new ep hits uh shelves coming
04:39up on march 6th it says here so i guess the first question and this is kind of something that i asked
04:45bands i put eps out it's like why not a full record i think for us man it's like we've gotten to a point
04:54as a society in my opinion where we want something new faster than we ever have right the new iphone
05:00comes out every september you know the new thing it comes out it's like once a year there's new
05:05there's new there's new there's new and if you look at album cycles an album cycle is typically
05:10like a two-year thing you put out a record and you go tour for the next 18 months to two years
05:17we don't live in this society anymore and you know looking at it it's like a band can put out a record
05:25and then the fans want more new music six months later and we were like you know what we've got
05:35these songs right here ready to go we believe in them as wholeheartedly as we do in an album
05:41you know they tell a story they paint a picture they do the thing let's put it out and and just see
05:50what the response is you know i mean dude we've been doing this now for 20 years you know we've
05:55and and in 20 years we put out eight records a couple of blues eps a few live records like we put
06:01out stuff as often or more often than most you know what i mean um but we just wanted to try
06:08something different this time ultimately you know to see how it see how that kind of goes over with
06:13the way we all consume stuff now yeah that's kind of the that's kind of the answer i thought
06:20you were going to give me it's like you know we seem to be coming into this time where you know
06:23uh well i'm i'm personally i'm a record guy right so it's like i like i always have been yeah i like
06:28to drop the needle and walk away for 20 minutes or whatever i don't like to skip songs and it's just
06:34i just let the whole thing play uh but i i get exactly where you're coming from you look i was just
06:38talking about uh the return of dust guys were here and they did the same thing they put on an ep last year
06:43and uh they thought they're not the tightest package they could get like you know from some
06:48of the songs but go ahead i'm sorry yeah no it's it dude and it was it was a heartbreaking realization
06:53when i realized that i'm probably in the minority when it comes to the music listeners of people who
07:01actually put on an album and just listen to the whole thing as it was intended to be played you
07:06know like we live in a society now where you can pull anything up on your phone make your own
07:10playlist for any mood you're in you know so it's it's different man like but i grew up you know
07:16putting on vinyl records that my dad had or cassettes and you know cassettes it wasn't easy
07:21to skip a song you know it's easier to skip a song on vinyl than a cassette you got to sit there and
07:25you know work for it on a tape man and cassettes were were the thing in the early 90s you know cds
07:31hadn't really taken off where you know at least at my household yet we were still on the cassette world
07:37um so dude i just put on a tape and let it play a lot of times yeah you know and but dude those
07:43cassettes sound better than vinyl or cds in my opinion that tape saturation there's something
07:50about that that tape man that just and then it gets worn in i don't know it's it gets a little
07:55fuzzier sounding feels a little more like home when you put your headphones on and i haven't listened
08:00to a cassette in forever maybe you should put hey there you go put put these songs out on cassette
08:04i would love to i would love to do a limited edition cassette of of the ep because an ep would
08:10fit you know perfectly fine on a cassette it'd be i think it'd be really cool i was uh i was texting
08:16earlier with uh tyler from theory of a dead man you guys uh covered don't don't you forget about me
08:21uh from uh first of all it's one of one of my favorite songs and secondly it's from one of the
08:26the movies i've probably seen the most in my life i grew up in the 80s and i mean you know that song
08:31in that movie are just you know they just go with the the two things i took away from that movie
08:37when i saw it as a kid where that song and the fist pump at the end of the movie that's right yeah
08:42it's just it's just dude it was like those two things were the whole you put those two things
08:48together and it's overcoming adversity and and creating a new start that's the whole thing about
08:54that movie that i loved you know what i mean is is it's a new beginning for everybody but it's like
08:59i've wanted to record that song and and do a cover of it for as long as i can remember because i always
09:06heard it more like every time i would hear the song i loved it but i always heard it like a little
09:11more aggressive a little heavier you know like the way we would do it you know and so we finally did
09:17and we got tyler on it dude and he killed it he did such an awesome job yeah tyler and his perfect
09:23hair and stuff i i get it so yeah he's he's very tiny he pisses me off he's just he's just he's good
09:33you know what i mean like everything he does is just good from his hair to his boots to his singing
09:38to his guitar playing songwriting no he's a great guy uh but he just told me he goes yeah just say
09:45hi to chris for me you know and that's all he said uh but uh you know yeah i love it dude man
09:49i was just talking with someone about this over the weekend but uh careless whisper like from wham
09:55i was never a fan but when seether covered it i'm like now this i like so i can't wait to
10:00guys version of uh simple minds which i mean i like that song yeah i see and that that's the trouble
10:06is everybody likes that song so hopefully people don't think we ruined it you know what i mean but
10:11i like to think we did a pretty kick-ass version of it yeah and so what do you got you got six
10:16songs is that right on this record there's uh six originals and then the the cover okay there's
10:22yeah so seven songs total and then i see that that you guys recorded it pretty close to home
10:27bowling green kentucky uh yeah man we uh we used our buddy's studio yeah so how far away is that from
10:33where you guys are uh about to get to the studio from my house is about an hour okay drive so it's not
10:40that bad you know it's it's because it's kind of out in the the boondocks where the studio is at
10:45it's not actually in bowling it's technically bowling green but not you know it's kind of on the
10:49outskirts um but you know within an hour you're back home you take a shower and go to bed you know
10:55that's when you're making a record i love that personally yeah go visit the uh the corvette museum
11:02and then uh go home dude you know what's funny is i have lived within an hour's drive with the
11:10corvette museum my entire life and the only time i ever went was on a school trip oh okay well you
11:16got to go because they had the sinkhole thing and you got to see that oh yeah yeah it's but it's one
11:21of those things man it's like mammoth cave i had never went and taken a tour of that until last year
11:28and i've lived there my whole life yeah it's just one of those things where like you live there so
11:32you don't think about it like other people think about it you're like yeah man the caves right there
11:36right down the road but then you go in there and you're like damn yeah that's uh that's amazing i
11:42don't know how much time you guys have on a saturday when you play district 142 but uh uh the henry
11:47ford and the greenfield village they're all in the same area but uh uh that's red yeah the henry
11:53ford is like it's like the history of the country uh the chair that lincoln was shot is in there i
11:58mean the chair uh the car that kennedy was shot is in there they got all sorts of american history in
12:03there it sounds like the dark side of american history in there two examples right but right
12:10there's all sorts from trains to i mean sewing machines it just goes on and on and on that's right
12:15it's only about 20 minutes from where you guys are but it's one of the gems of detroit as far as i'm
12:20concerned okay hell yeah dude how much uh how much did i might have asked this before i'm not even
12:24sure but just talking about this how much did detroit music play into your psyche as a kid i mean we
12:31had you know guys like nugent and seager and alice cooper and i mean the list goes on and on kid rock
12:35i mean i'm just just non-stop so so seager i mean basically everybody you just mentioned you know
12:42had some kind of an impact on us um that a big one for me man was probably the the the seager
12:49stuff just dude his vocals are like it's butter you know it's like butter on warm toast man it's
12:56just he's got that voice uh he was a big influence for me as a singer you know is that i got a fairly
13:02raspy voice i'm no bob secret but i you know i gravitated toward guys like that once i realized
13:08that's kind of i had more of a gravelly kind of sound in my voice i listened to dudes like that
13:14uh obviously ted newton's guitar playing is just next level you know and the songs are insane
13:21um and then alice cooper is probably one of the finest gentlemen walking to the earth
13:29that i've ever had the pleasure of being in the same room with we toured with him
13:34um in europe it was just us and alice and his band you know and the the kindness and respect
13:42that a legend treated us with this was 2018 19 somewhere around there um yeah and we were talking
13:53to alice over dinner one night and we're talking man just you know so awesome you're still out here
13:58doing this you know and a lot of guys you know wouldn't be he said i haven't played my best show
14:04yet he said that's the way i look at everything and i was just like damn you know what what a what a
14:11sentiment from someone who has done it all 10 times over you know alice is one of the most legendary
14:19rock and roll acts of all time in my opinion you know and i just you know obviously you can tell i i have
14:27a huge spot in my heart for that camp that's great i didn't realize you guys did that and you know i
14:33was just thinking about this you got the uh create summer of 99 cruise coming up and stuff and you
14:37know i don't know about you but i grew up in a small town outside of western new york and you know
14:42when i go on a cruise and i'm in cozumel i'm like this is insane to me i grew up with a cornfield behind
14:48my house and now same thing with you guys and it's like you get to do it dude you're up with
14:52yeah dude i grew up with a tobacco field behind the house and then a cow pasture to the other side
14:58you know like and then we end up on these cruises and you're like you're walking around mexico you're
15:04walking around jamaica or the bahamas and you're like this is all because of music right i get to be
15:12here because pretty pretty insane man and you know that's not slept on with our camp we we understand
15:19we're very fortunate to get to do what we do especially to be doing it as long as we've been
15:25doing it yeah i mean i'm it's the same with me i guess you know i've had to go because you know i've
15:30had a 35 year career in this business but i i'm like you man i grew up in a place where we didn't
15:35look into the future we looked into the pasture yeah 100 dude i mean that that's kind of where you
15:42know life where we were from it was you know you you go to college or you you get a job after school
15:48you know like starting your rock and roll band wasn't really like the hip thing to do you know
15:55like we were people for the most part were very supportive but you know it it uh we kind of had
16:02to go against the beaten path a little bit to to get to where we are but i'm you know super thankful
16:07we did yeah well that's great man well uh you guys are playing uh like i said saturday district 142
16:13uh we'll put everybody over there uh celebrate this a new track for the ep real fast give me a
16:18synopsis of uh what this song is all about man mental health um is uh is a very very tricky thing
16:26i've dealt with it uh i've been public about my own battles since you know 2011 really um
16:33and the society we live in it's so easy to beat yourself up over the smallest stuff
16:42why can't we celebrate the smaller things as well and as simple as what this thing says you made it
16:49through another one today getting up being able to do what you needed to do that day coming home and
16:53going to bed celebrate it man be pat yourself on the back be happy like we were too quick to smack each
17:01together down man let's celebrate each other a little bit more and that's exactly what the song
17:05developed you know you know somebody told me years ago that um it always gets better and that's the
17:10truth it always does get better and i don't know you could have a terrible day but there's good days
17:16still to come and like ellis said his best show is still to come and your best days are still to come
17:20so absolutely man absolutely and as long as you keep that mentality and and that thing you can get
17:26through anything i firmly believe that you know well that comes out on march 6th the uh ep and uh
17:33i can't wait to hear this uh this cover with uh with tyler and his perfect pompadour hell yeah
17:39his sultry smooth voice damn him those canadian guys they're so nice i love the theory boys but uh
17:45i know it but chris uh thanks for uh taking some time to talk with us here we'll see you on a
17:50saturday district 142 here in detroit with the guys from them dirty roses and aaron jones
17:55yeah guys appreciate you sir
17:56you
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