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00:00From Hollywood, it's Jimmy Kimmel Live!
00:04Tonight, Kate Winslet, Ray C. Holm,
00:08and music from Steven Wilson Jr.
00:11with The Cletones!
00:14And now, Jimmy Kimmel Live!
00:30I'm very kind. I appreciate that.
00:34Welcome to the show.
00:36I'm Jimmy. I'm the host.
00:38Thanks for watching, and thank you for joining us.
00:42I don't know about you, but for me,
00:44it was a very big day today.
00:46Do you know why it was a big day today, Guillermo?
00:48Because of the Jeffrey...
00:50Einstein list?
00:52I don't know.
00:54The Jeffrey Alpine list?
00:56No, Einstein. What?
00:58Jeffrey Einstein?
00:59Yeah.
01:00Right, of course.
01:01Yeah.
01:02You sit there every night.
01:03You think it's Einstein?
01:05No.
01:06Okay.
01:07All right.
01:08At long last, after who the hell knows
01:11how long Trump has been keistering those Einstein files...
01:14Yeah, thank you.
01:16The dam has broken.
01:17The Kraken has been released.
01:18Both the House and Senate passed a bill this afternoon
01:21to unleash the Epstein files.
01:28Nearly unanimous in the House.
01:30The Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson,
01:32who's been trying to avoid this vote so desperately
01:35he kept the House out of session for two months,
01:37is sticking to his,
01:39this is a Democrat distraction story.
01:41What you're about to see here is a man
01:43squeezing his butt cheeks together so tightly
01:46he could make the Hope Diamond out of a charcoal briquette.
01:49Democrats are trying to use the Epstein matter
01:52as a political weapon to distract from the own party's failures.
01:57And in a desperate attempt,
01:59they're trying to somehow tie President Trump to,
02:02to the scandal.
02:03President Trump has nothing to do with it.
02:05He has said himself, he has nothing to hide.
02:07He said it himself.
02:09Is that not enough for you people?
02:12He's, he's never misled us before.
02:14This, nothing to hide, he wrote Jeffrey Epstein
02:18a whole goddamn birthday letter with a drawing on it
02:21about their wonderful secrets.
02:22That, to me, sounds like something to hide.
02:24But ultimately, even Mike Johnson voted yes
02:27on releasing the files.
02:29The bill passed the House 427 to 1.
02:31The lone no vote came from a gentleman named Clay Higgins.
02:35He's a Republican from Louisiana.
02:37Um, you can see this here, you can see here
02:40trying to kill Roger Rabbit.
02:43He, he says he voted no on principal,
02:47as in a principal you don't want near your kid's school.
02:51Clay Higgins also voted for David Duke,
02:53the former Grand Wizard of the Klan for governor.
02:56So he has a history of solid decision-making.
02:58He says his fear is that, as written,
03:01the bill could damage the reputations of innocent people,
03:04which is rich, coming from a guy who once tweeted,
03:07LOL, these Haitians are wild, eating pets, voodoo.
03:11Nastiest country in the Western Hemisphere.
03:13So Higgins was a no, but the Senate jumped in
03:16and voted yes by unanimous consent,
03:19which means the bill now goes to the White House,
03:21which means Trump's gonna have to sign it.
03:23The goal was to have the bill passed by such a large margin
03:27that Trump can't put his little orange thumb on the scale
03:30and give it the old Cheeto veto.
03:32But make no mistake, this isn't over.
03:36He's not giving up easy.
03:37If anyone thinks he's gonna release all the Epstein files,
03:39I've got a beautiful east wing of the White House to sell you.
03:42Even after an almost unanimous vote by Congress,
03:45Trump's cronies in the Department of Justice
03:48still have the power to withhold information
03:51to protect ongoing investigations,
03:54to protect innocent people,
03:56or for reasons of national security.
03:58The DOJ can withhold entire documents, photos,
04:02and or video.
04:04But they would never do anything like that, would they?
04:06They're sworn to protect the Constitution of the United States.
04:09Something's fishy.
04:11Trump rolled over faster than that dog Jelaine Maxwell
04:14gets to play with in her country club prison.
04:16That's the other thing that's not getting enough attention.
04:18Jelaine Maxwell, Epstein's wingwoman,
04:21you know, she had a meeting with Trump's deputy attorney general
04:25and former personal lawyer over the summer,
04:27then coincidentally got moved right out of regular prison
04:30and into the kind of prison Felicity Huffman was in
04:33for getting her kid into college.
04:35Under the Bureau of Prisons Policy,
04:38convicted sex offenders like Maxwell
04:40are not typically eligible for minimum security.
04:43But I guess 34-time convicted felons
04:46aren't typically eligible to be president
04:48of the United States either.
04:50So thanks to Trump, she now gets all these perks,
04:53including playtime with a puppy, which makes sense.
04:56She is the world's most famous living groomer.
04:59According to a whistleblower and some other sources,
05:05she has a special cordoned-off area for her visitors.
05:08She gets snacks and refreshments for her guests.
05:11She gets yoga time.
05:12She gets unlimited toilet paper, computer privileges.
05:16This woman gets better accommodations
05:18than at a courtyard Marriott.
05:20It is amazing the kind of special treatment
05:23you get when half of the most powerful people
05:25from the last 30 years don't want
05:27to see you testifying in court.
05:29The president today, he kept busy,
05:31he kept his eye on the ball,
05:33and he even addressed this situation
05:35at a live corporate event.
05:37Everyone loves something at McDonald's.
05:40There's always something to have.
05:43I like the fish. I like it.
05:47Shea Mussolini likes to fish at McDonald's.
05:50Oh, wait, that was from Ronald McFonnell's appearance
05:53at the McDonald's summit last night.
05:55Trump is not a happy little meal right now.
05:58Every time he gets asked about Jeffrey Epstein,
06:01he loses his mind.
06:03Yeah, Jennifer, go ahead, go ahead.
06:04Is there something incriminating in the file, sir?
06:06Why not? No.
06:07Quiet. Quiet piggy.
06:09He called her piggy.
06:11He called her piggy.
06:12He said, quiet piggy to a reporter,
06:15and it barely made the news.
06:17If a man spoke like that to a female co-worker
06:20in like a workplace harassment training video,
06:22you'd go, ah, that's over the top.
06:24Nobody would do that.
06:25But if the pilot on Air Force One
06:27behaved like the president,
06:28he wouldn't be allowed to fly the plane, okay?
06:31That was Friday.
06:32Today, Trump did what most people would do
06:34when faced with a scandal that could potentially
06:36end his presidency.
06:38He welcomed an evil prince to the White House.
06:41He welcomed the crown prince of Saudi Arabia,
06:43Mohammed bin Salman,
06:45the only leader who treats reporters worse than he does,
06:48to a big, lavish dinner in his honor.
06:51Mohammed bin Salman,
06:52this is a guy who gave a green light
06:54to the brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi,
06:56a columnist for the Washington Post,
06:59who'd been critical of bin Salman's regime,
07:01but he...
07:02So he was dismembered with a bone saw
07:04at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.
07:06So naturally,
07:07Trump is pulling out all the stops
07:09for his trillionaire friend,
07:10who also happens to be doing business
07:13with Don Jr. and Eric.
07:14Is it appropriate, Mr. President,
07:16for your family to be doing business in Saudi Arabia
07:18while you're president?
07:19Is that a conflict of interest?
07:20And, Your Loyal Highness,
07:22the U.S. intelligence concluded
07:24that you orchestrated the brutal murder of a journalist.
07:269-11 families are furious
07:28that you are here in the Oval Office.
07:29Who are you with?
07:30Who are you with?
07:31Why should Americans trust you?
07:32And the same to you, Mr. President.
07:33Now, who are you with?
07:34I'm with ABC News, sir.
07:35You're with who?
07:36ABC News, sir.
07:37Fake News.
07:39That was Mary Bruce of ABC News
07:41doing what reporters are supposed to do.
07:44As far as this gentleman is concerned,
07:46he's done a phenomenal job.
07:48You're mentioning somebody
07:49that was extremely controversial.
07:51A lot of people didn't like that gentleman
07:53that you're talking about.
07:54Whether you like him or didn't like him,
07:56things happened,
07:57but he knew nothing about it.
07:59And we can leave it at that.
08:00You don't have to embarrass our guests
08:02by asking a question like that.
08:03That's right.
08:04How dare you embarrass a man
08:06who had a columnist sawed into pieces?
08:09Things happen.
08:10Things happen.
08:11This is not an episode of The Sopranos.
08:13You're the president of the United States.
08:16The crown prince did address the murder.
08:19He said,
08:20We've improved our system to be sure
08:22that nothing happened like that.
08:23It's painful,
08:24and it's a huge mistake,
08:25and we're doing our best
08:26that this doesn't happen again.
08:28They're doing their best
08:29to make sure it doesn't happen again.
08:31This is not what you say about a murder.
08:32This is what the manager at Jersey Mike says
08:35when they accidentally put pepperoni
08:37on your tuna sandwich.
08:39But...
08:41But good for Mary Bruce.
08:43Mary Bruce didn't back down.
08:45She's like,
08:46Oh, you don't like the questions about the murder?
08:48All right.
08:49Then what about the Epstein files?
08:50Why wait for Congress
08:51to release the Epstein files?
08:52Why not just do it now?
08:53You know...
08:55It's not the question that I mind.
08:56It's your attitude.
08:58I think you are a terrible reporter.
09:00The way you ask these questions,
09:02you start off with a man who's highly respected,
09:05asking him a horrible insubordinate
09:08and just a terrible question.
09:10You're a terrible person
09:12and a terrible reporter.
09:13Someone's not getting a Kennedy Center honor, I guess.
09:17People are wise to your hoax.
09:19And ABC is...
09:20Your company, your crappy company
09:22is one of the perpetrators.
09:24And I'll tell you something.
09:25I'll tell you something.
09:26So why not just sign it now?
09:27I think the license should be taken away from ABC
09:31because your news is so fake
09:33and it's so wrong.
09:34And we have a great commissioner, the chairman,
09:37who should look at that.
09:39I don't know.
09:40The last time your FCC guy looked at that
09:42didn't go so great for you.
09:43It really...
09:50How can anyone support you?
09:52The idea that Trump is having a dinner for this monster,
09:56I...
09:57You just can't imagine what Jamal Khashoggi's family must think.
10:00I mean, he treated him like he was his best friend
10:03from summer camp.
10:04Outside of Trump, because I blow everyone away,
10:07who was the best president for Saudi Arabia?
10:11But does Trump...
10:12We've worked with all presidents.
10:13Does Trump blow them all away?
10:15No, you...
10:16Son of the league, Mr. President.
10:19And Trump doesn't give a fist pump.
10:22I grab that hand.
10:23I don't give a hell where that hand's been.
10:25I grab that hand.
10:26I open that hand.
10:27I see if I can find any money in that hand.
10:31I don't care who that hand had murdered.
10:35Come here and let me hug that little Italian tablecloth
10:38on your head, you big lug.
10:41And then we have our Secretary of Health and Human Services,
10:43who is at George Washington University regaling those
10:46in the crowd with stories about Marco Rubio,
10:49who he calls the funniest member of Trump's cabinet.
10:53Elon Musk was saying that,
10:55was going through all of his Doge data,
10:58and he was saying we found 250,000 Americans
11:03over the age of 124
11:06who are...
11:07who are collecting, um...
11:09uh...
11:11uh...
11:13who are...
11:14who are...
11:15who are collecting...
11:16who are collecting...
11:17who are collecting, um...
11:19uh...
11:21work...
11:22Okay, you know...
11:24You seem to be dying.
11:25We'll come back to you later.
11:29I don't know...
11:30I think...
11:32I'm feeling like the main reason Trump keeps him around
11:34is because he makes him look coherent.
11:37These Epstein files,
11:38say what you will about the Epstein files,
11:39they've kind of brought the country together.
11:41I mean, we had an almost unanimous vote in Congress today?
11:44That hasn't happened for a long time.
11:47And that's...
11:49I think especially interesting,
11:50because today, November 18th,
11:53is the 40th anniversary of Calvin and Hobbes,
11:57the comic strip,
11:58which is now, I think, best known from the bumper stickers
12:01of Calvin urinating in all types of situations.
12:05For instance, if you're a Chevy lover,
12:07you can slap a sticker on your Silverado
12:09that lets people know how you feel about Fords.
12:12Or, if you love Ford,
12:13you could tell the world what you think of Chevy.
12:16That's what's so great about Calvin.
12:18He will pee on anything.
12:20If you get audited,
12:21he will pee on the IRS.
12:24If you get divorced,
12:25he will pee on your ex.
12:26He's not biased.
12:28Calvin will pee on Fox News and CNN.
12:31He'll pee on skinny people.
12:33He'll pee on fat people.
12:35And no matter how you felt about the last election,
12:37Calvin feels exactly the same way.
12:40There's good pee on both sides.
12:42Calvin is so impartial,
12:44he will even pee on himself.
12:47So, congratulations, Calvin.
12:49You're everything to everyone.
12:51And even at 40 years old,
12:54you still have a strong, steady stream.
12:58Happy birthday.
12:59We've got a very good show for your night.
13:01Ray Sehorne is here with us tonight.
13:03We have music from Steven Wilson, Jr.
13:06And we will be right back with Kate Winslet.
13:09So stick around.
13:19Hi, and welcome back to the show tonight.
13:21A very talented actor.
13:22You know from Better Call Saul.
13:24Her new show from Vince Gilligan is called Pluribus.
13:27Ray Sehorne is with us tonight.
13:29And then later,
13:30he is nominated for New Artist of the Year
13:33at tomorrow night's CMA Awards on ABC.
13:36This is his single.
13:37It's called Gary Steven Wilson, Jr.
13:40will join us.
13:41Tomorrow night.
13:42Oh, look at this, Guillermo.
13:44You know who's gonna be here tomorrow night?
13:46Adam Sandler.
13:47I've never heard you say anything
13:49with less excitement than that.
13:51Adam Sandler, Jimmy.
13:53He's so funny.
13:54He's great.
13:55I love him.
13:56Did you have a fight with Adam Sandler?
13:59What's going on?
14:00No, no, no, no, Jimmy.
14:01All right.
14:02Yeah, Adam Sandler will be here.
14:04Yes, yes.
14:05Adam Sandler, Ally Larder, and music from T-Paint.
14:08So please join us for that.
14:09Our first guest tonight is an Oscar, Emmy,
14:12and Grammy-winning person you know from movies set on water,
14:16in water, and sometimes on land.
14:18Her directorial debut is called Goodbye June.
14:21It opens in select theaters December 12th
14:23and premieres on Netflix December 24th.
14:26Please welcome Kate Winslet.
14:39How are you?
14:51I'm very well, although I nearly came out.
14:54I was just telling your stage manager.
14:56I nearly came out holding my trousers up
14:58because I walked out of the dressing room.
15:00When you film people coming out of the dressing room,
15:02I full-on tripped.
15:03You did?
15:04Yes, really full-on tripped.
15:05And so I thought, well, I won't do that on your show.
15:07I'll be nice and respectable.
15:08Did you do a retake?
15:10Did you or do we see you tripping?
15:12Luckily, I had just left frame.
15:14OK.
15:15But all the girls saw me do it, and they all went like this.
15:18But here I am.
15:19I made it.
15:21I'm glad you're OK.
15:23Where do you live, by the way?
15:25I live in England.
15:26Oh, you live in England?
15:27Yeah.
15:28Hence the accent.
15:29Yeah.
15:30Yeah.
15:31I know, right?
15:32Am I wrong, or didn't you live in New York for quite a while?
15:34I lived in New York for, yeah, the best part of 10 years.
15:36And then he said, I'm going back.
15:38I'm going home.
15:39It was just time.
15:40It was just time to go home, be nearer to family and all of that.
15:42But I loved living in New York.
15:44I loved Thanksgiving.
15:45I loved the winters, the snow.
15:47I loved all of it.
15:48It was wonderful.
15:49Christmas time is great in New York.
15:51But I think it might be it's even more magical in London, right?
15:54Isn't that a big thing there?
15:55It is.
15:56It is pretty magical.
15:57It's a very big thing there, because we don't have Thanksgiving.
15:59And I do miss Thanksgiving.
16:00Yeah, right.
16:01You don't have Thanksgiving, because we are actually giving thanks for getting away from
16:06you guys in a lot of ways.
16:08Yeah, that's right.
16:09That's right.
16:10But I don't understand the sweet potato marshmallow.
16:15What is that about?
16:17Oh.
16:18Really, can you tell me?
16:20Yeah.
16:21It's delicious, isn't it?
16:22No.
16:23You don't like it?
16:24No, no, no.
16:25Those two things, I don't think they're meant to go together.
16:28And you do have a lot of pie.
16:31And I feel like maybe one pie is enough.
16:34But you have many, many, many types of pie.
16:37Well, I see.
16:38I do love pie, by the way.
16:39First of all, pies are delicious.
16:41Yes, they are.
16:42In my house, I'm not going to speak for all Americans.
16:44Yeah.
16:45But in my house, you know, we have to make sure, you know, people sometimes arrive late
16:50and whatnot, and you don't want to have that person in charge of the turkey or in charge
16:55of, like, the mashed potatoes, the stuff that's got to be on the table no matter what.
16:59Yes.
17:00So if people bring things, you say, you know what?
17:02Bring a pie.
17:03Bring a pie.
17:04Ah, that's what it is.
17:05And then there are a lot of pies.
17:06And so then everybody feels that they're making a contribution and everything is left over.
17:10And then you eat eight or nine slices of pie.
17:13Over eight or nine days.
17:15Right.
17:16It's fantastic.
17:17Now, the sweet potatoes with the marshmallows, I don't know where we got that.
17:21I figured we got it from you guys.
17:23Absolutely not.
17:24No.
17:25No.
17:26No.
17:27We love them.
17:28We like them.
17:29And sometimes you'll just eat the marshmallows.
17:30You pick them all off the whole thing.
17:31Well, that I do understand.
17:32Uh-huh.
17:33I actually love picking things off the top of things.
17:35Or, well, this is a secret, actually, and I've never said this live anywhere in my life
17:40apart from in front of my children.
17:42This is really so stupid.
17:45I love eating the outsides off for Kit Kat.
17:48Yes!
17:49Isn't that stupid?
17:50But it's so delicious because there's something about that that you can have, like, ten of
17:54them and just pretend it never happened.
17:57Which I like.
17:58Will you then finish the inside?
18:00No, I throw it out the window.
18:02Of the car.
18:03Of the car because I only do it in the car.
18:05My children are gonna be like, why did you tell that story?
18:08Wow.
18:09And I've done it all of their lives.
18:10And if I didn't do it, I think they'd be sad.
18:12So now I have to keep it.
18:13I'm just happy you're eating our Kit Kats because I have found, and I find this to be annoying,
18:18how imperious Brits are about how much better their chocolate is than ours.
18:22No, I actually disagree on that, Frank.
18:24Oh, you do?
18:25I do love a Hershey's.
18:26You love a Hershey's?
18:27See, I love a Hershey's also.
18:28But people go, oh, no, Cadbury.
18:30Oh, well, they're both pretty great.
18:32Yeah, I agree with that.
18:33They are both pretty great.
18:34Wow.
18:35Things really...
18:36I've got something right.
18:37I like Hershey's.
18:38Yeah, no, you've got a lot of things right.
18:40Believe me, have you...
18:41Are you like a...
18:42Can I just say, you've also gotten a lot of things right, and we all love you back in
18:46the UK.
18:47I hope I haven't done any better.
18:50And I do, I do have to show my affection and warmth from over...
18:55How big is your family?
18:56Are you from a big family?
18:57I'm from a very big family.
18:59I myself have three siblings, and my father, my mother passed away.
19:04And I have a rambling bundle of nieces and nephews, and there's lots of us.
19:09So you guys get together?
19:10Very much so.
19:11Everybody converges for all of this sort of thing?
19:13Yes, they do.
19:14Oh, that's nice.
19:15Yeah, it's wonderful, actually.
19:16I do love it.
19:17And you've been doing that your whole life, I assume?
19:18All...my whole life.
19:19And my favorite time of year, actually, is Christmas.
19:22And I think it's just such a special time, because so rarely now these days do we sit down and
19:27share a meal...
19:28Right.
19:29...with our family members and people that we care about.
19:30Right.
19:31And sharing stories.
19:32Now with these, we're driving around, picking cats apart.
19:33That's right.
19:34Throwing them out the window.
19:35Kitting joggers in the head with them.
19:36Pretending it never happened.
19:39You have an interesting job, and I'm going to read this, because it says,
19:42you are the ambassador for the King's Foundation.
19:45What does that mean?
19:46Yes, I'm one of many.
19:47One of many.
19:48Oh, okay.
19:49So the King has an extraordinary foundation that supports small charities and crafts that
19:55have been sort of outdated.
19:57So he's really an extraordinary man.
19:59Oh, you're with him.
20:00There you are with him.
20:01He's really very...
20:02He's a really extraordinary person.
20:04He's very, very kind and extremely empathetic and very, very generous.
20:08Speaking of extraordinary people, put that back up for a second, because it's you and Meryl
20:13Streep and David Beckham.
20:14Yes.
20:15Did you volunteer to go first because of all the rules that are involved?
20:20Okay.
20:21So actually, there was a conversation about this.
20:23So Meryl and I, as we were walking to meet the King, I have actually met him before
20:28a long time ago, but we'll come back to that in a second.
20:31When Meryl and I were walking, she says to me, do you think we have to courtesy?
20:36And I said, absolutely, we have to courtesy.
20:38She was like, okay, is it like a big courtesy?
20:41Is it like a...
20:42What do we do?
20:43I said, I don't know.
20:44Just let's, you know, we'll just make the motion.
20:46She was like, I don't know if we need to do that.
20:48There was a big panic.
20:49We didn't know what the form was.
20:50Obviously, we had to courtesy.
20:52Did I go first?
20:53I think I did.
20:55Yeah.
20:56But then I'm always trying to volunteer to go first because I feel like leadership
21:00is important and someone has to get it wrong.
21:03And it is usually me that does, so I don't mind taking the hit.
21:06Who is more nervous, Meryl Streep to meet the King or the King to meet Meryl Streep?
21:13I don't know.
21:14She was a little bit nervous, actually.
21:15She didn't seem nervous.
21:16Yeah.
21:17She's a very gentle, personable individual, but he is the king.
21:23And it's quite something to meet him.
21:25The first time I met him, oh, my goodness.
21:28He had come to support the premiere.
21:31It was a royal premiere of Sense and Sensibility when I was only 20.
21:35And I sort of hadn't realised that we were really going to meet him.
21:39And so I forgot about the fact that I really was wearing a kind of a transparent lace outfit.
21:47And thank God I'd worn a coat because as he's making his way towards me, I'm like,
21:53nipples?
21:54Nipples.
21:55Nipples, oh, my God.
21:56And then someone just went, out!
21:57And I went, your majesty.
22:00And I'm like, basically covering myself in a cape and trying to hide my nipples.
22:05That makes me feel sorry for the king because he's the only one that doesn't get to see nipples.
22:09Oh, that's true.
22:10You're watching everybody curtsy all the time.
22:13There's no fun in that.
22:14No, there really, there is no fun in that.
22:16We're going to take a break.
22:17And when we come back, we're going to talk about your new film, which was written by your own son.
22:22Yes.
22:23Kate Winslet is here.
22:24The movie's called Goodbye, Junior.
22:32And now she can't have the one surgery that would have saved her life.
22:34Keep your voice down, please, Molly.
22:36And you can't send her on some posh holiday, Julia.
22:39There's nothing left to pay for now, is there?
22:42Okay, that's actually a bit unfair because I've been really supportive, Molly, and I've been very kind.
22:51Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
22:52Don't be very kind.
22:53Don't be very kind.
22:54That's a little bit much.
22:55Kick off again, you two, what?
22:56What?
22:57You're endlessly, .
22:58Stop doing so.
22:59Each other.
23:00Yes, it's ridiculous.
23:01That is Kate Winslet and Goodbye, Junior.
23:04Which is, I watched it last night.
23:07It's very sweet and very, and it amazes me that, and very sweet to me.
23:11that and very sad that your son who was how old when he wrote this so my son Joe
23:17he started writing this when he was 19 and he's now 21 nearly 22 and I can't
23:23get over the fact that a kid that of that age would write something like this
23:29because it's very mature yeah it's it shows I think really a you know beautiful
23:36family dynamic there was it based on something that happened so so what
23:42happened was my so my wonderful brilliant son Joe he had always written
23:48all of his life I mean we still have on our refrigerator poetry that he wrote
23:52when he was seven years old and and so it didn't surprise me that he wanted to
23:56explore the idea of screenwriting and he got a place on a screenwriting course at
24:01the National Film and Television School and this was what he was asked to do was
24:05to write a screenplay and he said to me at the end he said I've written script
24:09and you know it's probably not very good but you know it could would you just can
24:13you maybe you could perhaps could you could you actually just read it could you
24:17just read it for me and if it's if it's crap just lie because I just and he was
24:22just so sweet about it and and I read it and it was funny and touching and real
24:27and chaotic and messy in that way that family are and I said to him this this I
24:32really think this could be a film and he was like what mom no mom no mom no
24:36don't do that thing don't do that thing it's not a assignment you have to make
24:41me feel good about just and I said no no no no it's really good and what he had
24:45done was he was encouraged by a brilliant teacher to she said to him write what
24:50you know and the most that was the most seismic thing that had happened in his
24:55life was the loss of his grandmother when he was a teenager my mother and
24:59everyone came together in our huge family and even just logistically that
25:04was so extraordinary and it was very odd that we were all in this same place
25:08because we all came from this one woman so he took that as his emotional
25:13backdrop and created a fictional story with a fictional family about a group of
25:18people having to put aside past grievances and come to terms with the
25:23impending loss of the matriarch and it's really a story of how a family is pulled
25:28closer together because of this event yeah and I then your real family on set
25:34is pulled close together you working with your son did you have disputes with
25:38oh there you guys well you look like you're getting along did you guys have any
25:42arguments about what would be in because when you're the director you then take
25:47over you are then in charge of the film well that's the thing and when it came to
25:50the point of the screenplay being ready I was going to produce it I was going to
25:53play the character of Julia and and and I knew that we were in a position to find
25:57a director and I suddenly couldn't let it go and I said to him look I would love
26:02to direct it because when you give it to a director it becomes theirs which is
26:06exactly the right thing that should happen but I didn't want that for him I
26:11wanted him to remain a part of it I wanted him to experience seeing this
26:15beautiful thing that he'd created come to life and he happens to be very very
26:19smart about film and and having him there with me every day was just
26:24fantastic and the process of him writing it was also so much fun because he'd say
26:28okay I've redrafted that scene okay you do you do the Bernie part I'll do the
26:31counterpart okay go and then we would read it through together and figure out what
26:35should say and what should go and what was funny and what wasn't funny enough or
26:39etc and that process was glorious and we learnt different things about one
26:44another in this working capacity and actually we didn't we didn't fight we
26:48didn't do that I had to learn how to say things to him in a sensitive way if I
26:53thought maybe something could work differently or whatever and he would
26:56also disagree with me and he would say well I didn't you know I don't know if I
26:59saw it like that and I'd say just hang on hang on hang on but I did it
27:03Jimmy in the 50th year of my life yeah it's a great lesson for young people to do
27:18your homework yeah because if you do your mom might make a movie out of it oh yes
27:23that's very true the movie is called goodbye June it opens in select theaters on December 12th and
27:31premieres on Netflix yes December 24th Christmas Eve the great Kate Winslet
27:36everybody thank you
27:46welcome back Ray Seward and music from Stephen Wilson Jr. are still to come but
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29:01we have music from Stephen Wilson Jr. coming up you know our next guest from six Emmy nominated seasons of better call Saul she reteams with Vince Gilligan for the new show
29:19clear of us do you like my books oh we love your books what do you love about them
29:27everything your books are an expression of you and we love you mmm need you to be more specific character arcs
29:36plot turns oh yes yes we love the character arcs and the plot turns
29:43which ones all of them no offense Larry but uh I think you're bull me watch clear of us Fridays on Apple TV plus please welcome Ray Sehorne
29:55Sehorne
30:07how are you very good to see you so good to be back congratulations on your on your show I know
30:13it's doing really well you're reunited with Vince Gilligan which is nice that's awesome yeah that's
30:18exciting because Vince now Vince Gilligan did uh Breaking Bad and then he did Better Call Saul
30:23which obviously a lot of the characters overlapped and then but this one is not at all it has no
30:29relation to any of that correct none of it yes except for you're shooting in Albuquerque yes yes and he
30:37did tell me that we would be shooting there but that there would be no overlap that's one of the few
30:41things he told me when he called me what is going on with him in Albuquerque like what is the thing
30:45well he and his partner Holly they have a place in Santa Fe and he absolutely loves it he was
30:50originally going to do Breaking Bad in Southern California and they went there for the tax break
30:55and he just fell in love with it and then and now we have these crews uh a large percentage of
31:00the crew came from Breaking Bad and it's better and yeah and he likes to use the same people that
31:05makes sense do you know would you say you're now like do you live in Albuquerque I mean are you
31:09from Albuquerque now have you lived anywhere as I should be an honorary citizen there I think
31:14because I lived there for so long I mean off and on for 10 years to shoot all the seasons
31:19of Saul and then and and now we live there for months at a time to shoot this one is that the
31:25most you ever lived in one place because you lived in a lot of places right oh yeah I have yeah my uh we
31:31were civilian not in the military but my dad was NIS so we lived in Japan when I was really little and
31:39then uh Arizona then Virginia and then as an adult I did DC and do you remember living in Japan how
31:44little were you yeah um I lived there till I was five but I totally yeah you do remember yeah yeah
31:50that's weird isn't you don't remember anything from like kindergarten or anything I remember no
31:55I really yes no I do remember kindergarten but um vaguely and I think a lot of it's from the
32:02photographs that I have what do you remember about that's true we'll never know right you can never
32:06disentangle like is this because somebody told you that's a memory of that right but my sister
32:10and I my sister Donna who's three years older we have a lot of things where we're like why are we
32:14obsessed with that or that uh and we'll realize a lot of it traces back to Japanese culture I love
32:19everything Japanese and one of the things definitely as little kids is that they have a lot of miniaturized
32:25things like at the train stations and stuff there's like miniature sushi and there's miniature foods
32:30you collect yeah a lot of fun little things and they really like tiny things and so she and I to
32:36this day will be like look at this chair it's so tiny I love this chair so you will go to like say
32:41CVS and you'll go to that travel section with the little toothpaste and whatnot and just be delighted
32:46I am delighted as a result of your time in Japan I absolutely am um where were you living when you
32:53decided you wanted to start acting DC was doing theater in the DC area you started doing live theater there
33:00yes and um as a student or as an adult I was a student and doing some student productions and
33:08then uh kind of volunteer ushering um at the professional theater so that I could start to
33:13learn that stuff volunteer ushering yeah like at woolly mammoth theater um you could volunteer
33:18usher there and you could watch the same play over and over and like learn from these actors it was
33:23incredible so is that what you did well no you didn't get paid for that what did you have a lot of day
33:27jobs lots of day jobs um all different ones uh worked at TGI Fridays which is featured in the
33:32show did you yes yeah and um did you sing isn't there a birthday song at TGI Fridays or is that a
33:39different wait it was there I don't I was a hostess because I uh oh yeah you were I didn't even get the
33:44suspenders although they have reached out and said they'd give me the suspenders now did they really
33:49yeah with flair I was once thrown out of a TGI Fridays yeah what being drunk yes yeah really yeah
33:55yeah I mean you remember the song don't worry be happy yes we were singing that too loud and you
34:00were not worried oh no you were just happy we were very happy until they asked us to leave the
34:06restaurant and then we're wow yeah then we were less happy yeah I uh I should not have eaten all the
34:13meals there though like they have lovely food yeah we did get free food and I was like it's so weird
34:18that my pants don't fit but I was just eating a lot of skins and a lot of alfredo mozzarella sticks
34:23were a big one there too right and there's some kind of like um a thing but somewhere between marinara
34:30sauce and ketchup in that you dip it into right I don't remember that it's like a disgusting marinara
34:35sauce I think you I think you just mixed your ketchup and your marinara oh that's possible I was pretty
34:42homer yeah yeah yeah I worked there I worked at a record store too Kentville records did you ever work
34:49at a record store no but I was a DJ so I spent many days of the week in a record store now that's for
34:55what year was this that you were in a record store well uh early 90s so it was CDs because vinyl was
35:00gone and not yet back yeah right but it was it was CDs yeah oh wow I liked working there especially
35:06at the holidays like season like now until Christmas because um at the time kids this you couldn't google
35:14like the bands and you couldn't like look up what song you were looking for so you get a lot of
35:18parents and grandparents coming in looking for uh you know the album or the song that their kids
35:24said they wanted for Christmas but they don't have this title so they would either sing it to you
35:28oh really yeah it'd be like you know like a grandma going like let's go something like
35:34woo there it is
35:38i was like i think i know what song yeah and uh thanks thanks were you good at figuring it out
35:48i was i was very good and then i also like the other thing they would do is try to have me guess
35:54the name of the band um but they were getting it all wrong and it was like a weird game um and i
36:00remember one of the best ones because i like wordplay games a lot and so that's kind of what
36:05it was and this woman was saying she's like it's um it's a band and he wears jeans and uh and i was
36:12like yeah i need a little more here and then she's like it's something like um what did she say uh
36:18uh it's like clam party it's like a clam at a party it's a clam party i was like what first i
36:26guessed blue oyster cult good guess pretty good pretty good that was not it no okay can you guess
36:31no what do you mean uh can you guys guess clam party clam party what yes yes
36:42wow i think your answer was more correct even though his was correct because curls don't come
36:49from clams they come from oysters it's true it's true it's very word associative yeah but you my
36:55friend could work at kent mill that's right it's great to see you congrats on your show pluribus
37:02is the show new episodes fridays on apple tv plus we'll be back with stephen wilson jr
37:13thanks to kate winslet racy or an apologies to matt damon nightline is next but first
37:18here with the song gary stephen wilson jr
37:32gary these days been lying in his bed man
37:40working on the same car going on a decade
37:46scribbles on junk mail don't draw attention
37:52i never really noticed but now that i'm mentioning
37:55there ain't a lot of boys named gary these days born with a cigarette glued to the face
38:04fixing about anything a hammer can't handle saving all the money because a gary don't gamble
38:10ain't a lot of girls going by debbie anymore but they got the same nicotine pouring out their pores
38:16time leaves time leaves town but the minute hand stays
38:22ain't a lot of boys named gary
38:24gary these days
38:33gary these days been worried about the bad news
38:39ain't a lot of teenagers filling up the church
38:41gary's pukes
38:45burning bush lights don't talk to his brother
38:51the people even still say grace before supper there ain't a lot of boys named gary these days
38:57born with a cigarette glued to the face fixing about anything a hammer can't handle saving all
39:04the money because of the money because a gary don't gamble ain't a lot of girls gone buying debbie
39:08anymore but they got the same nicotine pouring out their toys
39:13time leaves town but the minute hand stays
39:18ain't a lot of boys named gary these days
39:34every night and gets the damn thing and takes it out for a spin first week of may
39:47he believes in god but believes in a little black-eyed piece on the stove on his day
40:04i had a weird suspicion with the light out on the front porch
40:14heart medication poured down where the train pours
40:20he holds his left arm while his parakeet prays
40:29has anybody seen much of gary these days
40:34there's anybody seen much of gary these days
40:40there ain't a lot of boys named gary these days
41:02there's a lot of boys named the
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