Felger and Mazz share their thoughts about Drake Maye's progress under offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, pondering if they should be concerned about Maye's performance.
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00:00So that was Greg Bedard following Saturday's game against the Minnesota Vikings on Drake Mays
00:06performance and he said in there that he's been good in practice well apparently not today
00:10you're just listening to the update there with Tim McCone I don't know Murray do you have those
00:16numbers in front of you or Jay Stu McBone just said them I have them look at your text messages
00:21and you can read them off yourself okay again today Drake May in practice which was not open
00:26to the public but was to the media Drake May 10 of 18 two interceptions two sacks
00:35five of 10 INT and 11 on 11s I don't know what that means oh what okay five of 10 with one
00:45interception and 11 on 11s five of eight with an interception and seven on sevens so I guess this
00:53is where we will start today your temperature on the Patriots after the second preseason game
00:58and the temperature on the Patriots begins and ends with Drake May so Maz your thoughts cold
01:04temperature is cold on Drake May is what I would say I felt the same way watching him
01:08I think Bedard's assessment of it overall is dead on I think that he is erratic still
01:15make some stupid decisions um you know we get now that we can get to the offensive line part of
01:20that whole thing later but it's gonna be a while and um Mike so you and I have been kind of you know
01:27on and on and off now I haven't seen you in almost two weeks or ten I miss you Maz
01:31likewise uh but I would say that when when I was here a week ago last Monday I my sentiment is
01:40you better be able to run the ball because they can't throw it right now they can't throw it
01:43consistently and I think that was evident on Saturday when May took the field I think that
01:50he's uh again he's overthrowing guys early in the game he's still making bad decisions uh I question
01:56how good the receiving core is and even when guys are open again he's missing them and so you know
02:02Matt Collins was able to come down with the ball but it was an overthrow I'm worried about May and I
02:07I don't think you're going to see a uh legit May for a while and you may not see him at all who
02:13the hell knows but I'm telling you do I believe that he is prepared to take the next step at the
02:19start of this season if there was a next step to be taken my answer is no he's not ready Murray
02:25the quarterback might suck if no if some people want to tell me that Drake may can and will make the
02:32second year jump to becoming a leap then can't the opposite of that be true this is why I've said
02:37the jury's out for me personally until further notice on Drake May he might be great he also
02:43might suck and so based on a little bit of what we saw in the second preseason game and just hearing
02:48about today's practice and you know my own gut feeling like again my mind is open it might not
02:53sound that way to a lot of people he could be great he also might suck and I think it's been one
02:59thing I think is clear to me at least when those they're like the ones are on the field through these
03:03two first preseason games when they get down to the red zone they don't want him throwing like
03:08they're trying to run the ball when they're down to the red zone you saw that again when May was out
03:12there and the starters were out there against the Vikings which it looked and it worked like you know
03:16he ran one in against Washington and Travion Henderson had that nice run for a touchdown on
03:20Saturday but it's it's to me clear like they're going to be ground and pound it's not the most exciting
03:26thing but especially when they're down there they want to run the ball and not have him throw it
03:29Jimmy Stewart uh in our show email wrote the following I just used it as a jumping off point
03:34obviously he says it's still about Drake May the bickering between Felger and McCarthy over I think
03:40one win which was true and true Felger and Maz fashion a lot of loud talking over difference between
03:48eight and nine wins but anyway the bickering between McCarthy and I over I think one win made me laugh
03:53because if the Patriots win nine games and May stinks then the Patriots have a foundation but they
04:01have to draft or trade for another quarterback right he says if however the Patriots win only five games
04:07but Drake May looks amazing then they have quarterback one you did that to bait bait me didn't you yes then
04:13they then they have a franchise quarterback QB1 shove that up your ass with your fantasy team then they
04:20have your franchise quarterback and have to figure out everything else which would you rather have
04:24I think the whole premise is flawed deeply if Drake May's good they're winning nine games
04:30there's no path Maz to them winning nine games with Drake May not being good well tell me well the only
04:37path would be as if somehow the defense really sucks and you know they're losing games uh 34 to 31
04:44so like now do I think that's going to happen no because I think they have more talent on defense
04:49I'll tell you even like with the with their you know I know Carlton Davis returned but even without
04:55Gonzalez on the field their corners have been pretty decent in the preseason okay but I I believe I said
05:01the other thing there there is no path to them winning nine games if Drake May stinks is there sure
05:08yeah if the defense sucks but I don't think that's going to happen I you're to me I well you asked
05:15it for a path I'm giving you a path if the defense is hold on I know I know I'm sorry Maz I'm sorry
05:20it's Monday after a long laugh I said if Drake May sucks there's no path to nine wins and you said
05:27yes if the defense sucks oh sorry I thought you said it the other way around right I know I thought
05:31you said it the other way around the defense is elite and they're winning games 20 to 16 yeah yeah
05:36yeah yeah sorry okay all right nine to six okay but I don't see that happening either Maz I don't
05:42well I can't predict the future Mike I'm asking questions yeah right it could happen there no I
05:47don't think so I'm trying to tell you sounds like you're closed closed-minded no there is no path
05:53if Drake May sucks there's no path you can't win every game 13 to 10 I am sorry that I agree with
06:01okay and it's it's not going to work that way I mean didn't Denver just kind of do this
06:05they go to the playoffs at 10 and 7 or whatever the hell and bonus okay but blows he kind of
06:10blows but we had a decent year yeah he can't complete a downfield pass but go on which I mean
06:15like you don't like any quarterback but that's not to say if you looked at him statistically
06:19he for the most part was a winning quarterback he didn't suck he's he didn't suck last year he's fine
06:26ish right so I I both you now have already frustrated me right off the top good kid let me
06:32just jump in whether you think he sucks or not Murray is a different a different topic than he
06:37was decent last year he was good whether you like it or not or want to admit it last night or not he
06:43was decent he was good by the Felger standard yeah Denver ranked 10th in the league in points scored
06:49okay thank you Jesus why is that so hard Murray just as a quarterback had a decent year even if you
06:55don't like him he was just fine they beat one winning team and then they were 10th when they
07:00rested a bunch of starters they were 10th in the league in points so now we're we're now we're a
07:04show that accepts all stats and like oh my god I I already can't talk to you go ahead talk amongst
07:09yourselves I feel like I just entered the Joel Murray called this app what what am I speaking
07:16Swahili what's the matter with you because they're in the reality is is they could Drake May could
07:21suck and they could win nine or ten games you don't see that yeah because you're putting up a wall
07:26immediately no no yes Broncos Murray the Broncos were 10th in points that proves my point exactly
07:33it exactly proves my point the offense has to at least be there you can't just the Denver I'm sorry
07:41I know you think you're um Bo Nick sucks I'm sorry but he didn't and the offense scored points
07:49and but they were led by their defense that's it that's the exact point Drake May can't suck
07:57and get to nine wins it's not going to work that way they're going to have to be adjacent to a 10
08:02to a middle of the pack offense that's what I keep saying and Bo Nix and the Broncos were a middle of
08:09the pack offense that doesn't suck that's middle of the pack you don't agree with that no no fine by
08:16standards it's yeah like the statistics middle of the pack yeah that's good enough like good enough
08:20I'm not going to argue with it go on I don't even know what we're arguing anymore you're just
08:26yelling to yell but go on so look my I if no no people legitimately frustrated me I'm not yelling to
08:33yell first of all Maz wasn't listening or he couldn't figure out what I was trying to say and you
08:39just want to say every quarterback sucks even one that quarterbacked a top 10 offense so how can I
08:44talk to that that no that frustration was organic go ahead Maz it's a talk show we talk that's what
08:51we do so look I misunderstood the question I guess you're saying the opposite if Drake May plays well
08:57can they still lose games and my answer would be yes yes their defense really yes obviously but the
09:03other way around I generally agree with the teams that can't throw typically lose they typically lose
09:08so I was just trying to look it up based on again I don't know what you can go by in this day and age
09:14but I'll go by passer rating the team in the league with the worst passer rating Cleveland sucked
09:20Indianapolis sucked Giants sucked Titans sucked so I'm not sure I mean I mean I mean just to stop you
09:28I don't know if you were here the day we did it Boston Sports Inf did a whole mock-up for us in the
09:33last five years that if you have a top 10 quarterback just by quarterback rating Murray whether you think he
09:40sucks or not and I know you think they all suck no one's Brady just we are Brady Brady Brady Brady Brady
09:45Brady Brady Brady no he's retired Mahomes Joe Burrow but go on okay so okay whether you think whether
09:50you think they suck or not if you have a top 10 quarterback in rating your team 49 out of the 50
09:58teams Maz had winning records and a middle of the pack offense so it's pretty good stat this is what I'm
10:06trying to say yes they're going to win on defense yes that's the strength of the team if Drake May sucks
10:12they're not winning nine games if Drake May is good and even if the defense disappoints they're probably
10:20winning nine games that's what the that's what the data shows and that's not even led the NFL and
10:26defensive points scored last year okay so I'm also if you take out if you back out their defensive
10:32points and it's just and this has always frustrated me too Stu I'm glad you brought that
10:36up they include all points even if you score on defense and special teams or short fields like
10:42they need to uh sort of the statistical understanding clean up scoring right offensive scoring but either
10:50way even you back out Denver's defensive points Denver had no worse than a middle of the pack offense
10:56right yes I would agree they they ranked 13th in the NFL in passer rating okay thank you can I give
11:03you another one too and yes Bo Nick sucks Murray but if Drake May is not a top half of the league passer
11:09at least top 10 adjacent they're not going to win these nine games I mean no the other thing is that
11:15Denver ranked uh one two three four five six seventh in the league in touchdown passes now again Murray those
11:22might be short do you trust Drake May in the red zone right now no not particularly okay so so look
11:27at least Bo Nix is getting the ball in the end zone when he's down close so to me that there's a there's
11:32a talent in that too and I don't think Bo Nix is any great shakes either but this kid right now is shaky
11:38he is shakes the clown and that's the part that should scare you because aside from the fact that he
11:44you know he can start to run around and you know there was a nice play they made over the weekend
11:48where Matt Collins caught the ball on the sideline but I felt it was like a broken play and they need
11:54some stability and uh repeatable plays in their offense and right now it doesn't feel to me like
12:01they have a lot of them in the past game it should be a concern there's there's no way they get to
12:06respectability if Drake May is not good that that's what I was that's a point I was trying to get to
12:10but horrible start what do you want I thought it was great actually if the defense sucks they can lose
12:17you
12:22you