- 2 days ago
John and Matthew revisit the deep and often overlooked history of the Global Missions movement and its ties to Sharon Orphanage and the 1948 Latter-Rain Revival. Matthew, a former member, shares firsthand insights about growing up under the group’s culture of “prophetic history” and its fixation on ongoing revelation. Together they examine the roots of this theology in Branhamism, the hidden influence of early founders like Eric Holt, George Houghton, and Percy Hunt, and how editing and distributing recorded sermons shaped the movement’s beliefs. They also discuss the broader restorationist mindset that underpins much of the New Apostolic Reformation and why it continues to attract followers today. This candid conversation sheds light on the long-term dangers of replacing the sufficiency of Scripture with leaders who claim to reveal divine mysteries.
00:00 — Introduction
00:31 — Cult overlap between Branham, IHOPKC & Global Missions 
01:30 — Why everyone wants the “prophetic history” 
03:12 — Leaving a cult without knowing what questions to ask 
04:22 — Early Global Missions leaders and myth-making 
06:09 — Secret origins: funding, influence & hidden power structures 
10:06 — Founders’ behavior becoming church policy 
11:02 — Telekinesis, metaphysics & spiritualist practices 
14:40 — The “Judas narrative” and endless fragmentation 
17:12 — Gnostic foundations and pursuit of hidden knowledge 
18:30 — The danger of ongoing revelation vs. biblical sufficiency 
21:08 — Restorationism and replacing the Holy Spirit with apostles 
23:23 — Why “special revelation” isolates people from mission 
25:52 — When “revival” becomes generational disappointment 
28:00 — “The world is worse than ever”…or is it? 
32:05 — The gimmicks behind healing revivals 
37:02 — Cutting tapes, hiding failures & manufacturing miracles 
43:08 — The archive nobody is allowed to see 
54:27 — Why the “middle years” are erased 
55:46 — How to leave without losing family & hope 
56:38 — Close & resources 
______________________
Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
______________________
– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham
– Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ
– Visit the website: https://william-branham.org
– Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg
– Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham
– Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr
– Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books
00:00 — Introduction
00:31 — Cult overlap between Branham, IHOPKC & Global Missions 
01:30 — Why everyone wants the “prophetic history” 
03:12 — Leaving a cult without knowing what questions to ask 
04:22 — Early Global Missions leaders and myth-making 
06:09 — Secret origins: funding, influence & hidden power structures 
10:06 — Founders’ behavior becoming church policy 
11:02 — Telekinesis, metaphysics & spiritualist practices 
14:40 — The “Judas narrative” and endless fragmentation 
17:12 — Gnostic foundations and pursuit of hidden knowledge 
18:30 — The danger of ongoing revelation vs. biblical sufficiency 
21:08 — Restorationism and replacing the Holy Spirit with apostles 
23:23 — Why “special revelation” isolates people from mission 
25:52 — When “revival” becomes generational disappointment 
28:00 — “The world is worse than ever”…or is it? 
32:05 — The gimmicks behind healing revivals 
37:02 — Cutting tapes, hiding failures & manufacturing miracles 
43:08 — The archive nobody is allowed to see 
54:27 — Why the “middle years” are erased 
55:46 — How to leave without losing family & hope 
56:38 — Close & resources 
______________________
Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
______________________
– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham
– Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ
– Visit the website: https://william-branham.org
– Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg
– Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham
– Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr
– Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books
Category
📚
LearningTranscript
00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research
00:40at william-branham.org, and with me I have my very special guest, Matthew Hannigan, former
00:46member of Global Missions.
00:49Matthew, it's good to be back and dive a little bit deeper into the history that this would
00:56be like the grandparent to the cult that I grew out of, you know.
01:00They were all kind of collaborating together, and I have, after reviewing your podcast, I've
01:07had some questions come in, which I'll ask you, and we can talk through that.
01:10But basically, I'm certain that anybody who listens to the first podcast you did and is
01:17aware of the history that we've brought with Branhamism, with IHOPKC, with the New Apostolic
01:23Reformation, all of these things, it's all going to be coming down to one central theme.
01:30Everybody's going to want to know more about what IHOPKC will call it the prophetic history.
01:36Branhamism, we called it the life story, which was the prophetic history.
01:41And Global Missions, I'm certain, had the same thing, because it's all within the same
01:45framework and development.
01:46So anyway, thank you so much for coming back to talk more about this.
01:50Yeah, John, it's been an absolute pleasure to get involved and to be asked back a second
01:55time is really nice to be asked, right?
01:59Nice to be asked to come back and tell a little bit more about the story.
02:03I feel like we were just getting started, right?
02:06And then the hour wrapped up, so I'm happy to be back and talk more about this.
02:09Also, I've had a lot of positive reactions.
02:13You sent me a private version that I've shared with some close friends and family and had some
02:17really positive reactions so far.
02:19So appreciate that.
02:20Well, good deal.
02:21Like I said, there's just so much more and some of it is untapped.
02:25Like I remember when I first came out of Branhamism, I knew a lot because I'm one of the few people
02:31that actually paid attention.
02:33And I knew a lot about what went on.
02:35I knew a lot about what Branham said.
02:37But at the same time, I did not yet really understand how important some of the things were
02:43because I had not really put them into a chronological history.
02:48I had not evaluated, critically thought about what parts were true, what parts were fake.
02:54So as I'm going through and piecing all this together, I did not yet even know what questions
02:58I myself should ask.
03:00And people outside of the group were seeing me for the first time and they're asking me
03:04all these questions so it turned into a situation where you really, you don't know what people
03:11ask until they ask it, but you don't really have an idea yet in your head of the depth
03:18of some of the questions that they're asking.
03:21So it turns into this interesting scenario where I'm probably going to ask you questions
03:25and some of it you may not have even thought through yet.
03:29Yeah, a hundred percent.
03:30But that's why you need to talk about these things.
03:33And that's why I'm here is to basically just get it out there and get the story and get
03:38the conversation going.
03:39Because even if an unhealthy group gets a little bit healthier as the result of some of these
03:45conversations, I'll call that a win.
03:48And ultimately, a lot of this stuff is just my opinion.
03:52I think it's well-founded and it's got good research and there's good facts behind why I
04:00have the positions that I have.
04:02But ultimately, I think if there's someone who's still a part of the global missions or
04:06still like reveres that history, I think at least if we give them something to think about
04:12and it improves their lives, then I'm happy with that outcome as well.
04:16Absolutely.
04:18So the first part I wanted to talk about is deep into the history.
04:23Some of this you may not even be familiar with, but I have been, a lot of people don't know
04:28this, I don't know if I told you this even, I have been somewhat off and on connecting
04:34with a person who's really high up in global missions and have asked some questions, some
04:41of which I'll talk about with you.
04:42But for obvious reasons, I'm not going to give this person's name.
04:47However, they are now aware of some of the critical history.
04:52Yet at the same time, they aren't yet fully aware at how deep it runs.
04:59And by this, I mean, so when this thing was conceived, this global mission, Sharon Orphanage,
05:04et cetera, from its inception, there was a lot going on that even I myself, you can't dig
05:11into and find.
05:12There's some mystery as to how this thing really formed.
05:15And there's one really vague article where it shows that Amy Simple McPherson is funding
05:23this operation that's happening right there with, I think it's Herrick Holt or Percy Hunt,
05:27one of the two.
05:29And so she's funding this thing.
05:32The Sharon Orphanage begins to grow.
05:34And in the newspapers, they advertise, we're funded by some big organization in the United
05:38States.
05:39And that's all that's really said.
05:41You don't know much about this.
05:42And then Branhamism sweeps through Canada, and this becomes literally the backbone to
05:48funding and creating the healing atmosphere, the hype, I guess you would say, around Branhamism.
05:56And yet at the same time, many people who are in global missions aren't yet aware of how
06:02deeply that thread runs.
06:05So one of the questions that one of my partners actually asked this one, he was asking about
06:11global missions today, how do they view these figures in the history, I guess you'd call
06:17it the prophetic history of global missions, like Herrick Holt and George Warnock, Percy
06:24Hunt.
06:24How do you view these figures from your perspective in this movement?
06:29Yeah, it's a great question.
06:30And the more that I thought about what all I had heard growing up, it just actually brought
06:37out more questions.
06:38So I'll give you an example of that.
06:39So there was a brother, one of the ministers, who I actually traveled with as a kid with
06:50my dad when he was doing missions work.
06:52And he was one of the leaders of our group.
06:56And we would go to the Caribbean, and we went to different places in the States, and we would
07:01operate these satellite camps, satellite kind of summer week-long camps.
07:05And we traveled a lot together.
07:09And then one day, there was a post in our, or I guess it wasn't a post, it was an article
07:17in the Share and Star, our publication, that basically, right at the end of the Share and
07:23Star, there's kind of like a little updates and happenings thing.
07:26They were like, Brother James is no longer associated with our movement and our organization.
07:32And it was difficult because he had also written and publicized quite a few articles for the
07:41Share and Star over the years, and was one of all the young people's favorite speakers.
07:47He was a talented speaker.
07:49And the brethren were very tight-lipped about the reason that he, you know, was kind of
07:56let go.
07:57And I really had to, like, pry, and, you know, I still don't really know the reason, but
08:03I think it's because he started preaching, maybe privately, you know, basically a, John,
08:12you're going to have to help me.
08:13What's it called when it's like a prosperity gospel?
08:16He started preaching a prosperity doctrine.
08:18I think that's what it was.
08:19And so, you know, the brethren, I think, correctly, you know, disciplined him and then eventually
08:25had to let him go.
08:27The problem with that is that he was an apostolic, he was apostolically set by the laying on of
08:33the hands of the presbytery and all these things that are supposed to indicate that someone
08:38is kind of, they have a special anointing and a special mantle on their life for ministry.
08:44So, I don't know how you, you know, you take that back, right?
08:48Like, the only example of somebody losing that in the scriptures, from what I understand,
08:52is like, you know, Judas, right?
08:54Where he was, you know, it was that kind of level of betrayal of the church.
08:59Um, so, uh, similarly with these, um, more, uh, ancient figures, they were, you know, when
09:08when they were spoken of in the context of them founding the church, they were like, it
09:14was basically mythology, right?
09:16They were mythologized characters.
09:17They were beyond reproach.
09:19Um, I even remember my mom saying that, um, you know, some people got sick and some people
09:25there, there was negative consequences because they were critical of these figures.
09:29People like Percy Hunt, George Houghton, um, Herrick Holt.
09:33Um, and even to the point where, um, my dad growing up wasn't supposed to have comic books,
09:41right?
09:42And, and his brothers, and he had, you know, there were six boys and a girl in his family.
09:45So there's lots of, uh, you know, lots of reasons for them to want comic books and, and
09:50read those kinds of things.
09:51But, you know, Herrick Holt's son was caught with a comic book.
09:57And so that suddenly meant that everyone could read comic books.
10:01So if you do a little bit of, um, you know, uh, mental math, you can figure out that, well,
10:08these people are really setting the tone for the entire organization.
10:11They are, um, you know, their, their actions, their beliefs, their private practices are
10:18actually setting the public policy for our church.
10:20So, you know, they're not just founders.
10:22They were the, you know, our culture and belief systems were based on the actions of
10:27these men.
10:29With that, there's several questions that I've thought through since you and I last spoke.
10:33There is a article out there.
10:35I don't know if you've come across this or not, but there are multiple, numerous, weird
10:41cults that spun out of this movement from its early inception.
10:45One of them is called the assembly of the body of Christ.
10:48And there are some articles out there where I think it's the son of the, um, the central
10:55figure of that cult that's writing.
10:56But he's talking about whenever the movement came into the Sharon orphanage and there were
11:02a group of men who were just fascinated with Branhamism.
11:04And Branham was coming in, teaching them things like how to move things with your mind, metaphysics,
11:12basically.
11:13And so the group, I'm trying to picture this in a Christian setting.
11:17Now it's so odd to me.
11:19Back when I first came out of the cult, it wasn't that odd, which is weird.
11:23But you think you look at it now and you're like, well, this sounds more like a Stephen
11:27King book than Christianity.
11:29What is this weird thing?
11:30But I'm, I'm picturing all these men, you know, I'm actually picturing a seance, but they're
11:35sitting around and Branham is teaching them how to think really hard and faith your way
11:41into moving an object in thin air.
11:43And according to the central figure, Branham was able to actually achieve this magic feat,
11:50which makes the Stephen King element all the more weird.
11:55But he was specifically talking about some of the key figures who were at the core inception
12:01of this movement.
12:02Whenever they go through the prophetic history, do they tell you that people were trying to
12:06move objects with their mind?
12:08No, that was, I think, intentionally left out because I think nowadays that's extremely,
12:16that would be extremely hard to swallow, right?
12:19Especially because I think our, like my group right now, they are in a place where they, they're
12:26all true believers, right?
12:27There's nobody there trying to deceive the congregation.
12:30It's like third and fourth generation people, right?
12:33So they believe it all.
12:34And so things that are unpalatable, they just kind of avoid that.
12:38And they kind of move on from that because I think they want a genuine Christianity.
12:42And it's pretty clear that, you know, trying to get superpowers out of the Bible is, you
12:47know, kind of off base a little bit.
12:49But I have, I don't know if I've come across that exact article, but I, I do, I have read
12:54an article that quoted a firsthand experience of a, of a woman who was in a meeting in the cloud
13:02room, which I went to church at every Sunday, my entire life growing up in North Battleford,
13:06where she claimed that Branham moved a bracelet on her wrist.
13:12And so that, that, that contradicts directly what I've been told by the brethren that Branham
13:18had nothing to do with our movement and it was never in North Battleford.
13:21So there's some contradicting, you know, that, you know, they, I have to give them,
13:26you know, the, from a historical perspective, they are also primary sources.
13:29So we have to, you know, give them their day in court, so to speak, but there is
13:33contradictory evidence there.
13:36And I guess I'll just say this, like they, the brethren, when I was growing up, they would
13:44talk a lot about, you know, this person was important in the beginning, like George Warnock
13:49and there was the three H's, right?
13:51There was Houghton, Holt, and, uh, forgot the third.
13:55Percy Hunt.
13:55Yeah, Hunt.
13:56There we go.
13:56Exactly.
13:57And they were kind of the, the main inception, um, of this, but then, you know, then they
14:01say, but, you know, some of them were drawn away into different groups and they were, you
14:06know, this and that, and they were deceived and they, um, you know, I think, uh, one of
14:12the ways my dad put it was, um, you know, I think it was Percy Hunt that got up and said,
14:18I'm never going to leave this.
14:19This is the true, you know, true doctrine.
14:22And this is the true revelation of God.
14:24And then, you know, a couple months later, maybe even just a year or so he left and took
14:29a lot of people with him.
14:31Right.
14:31And so, of course, their perspective is that he never, he never left, right?
14:35Like he was the true way.
14:37And then that we, we weren't, but, um, you know, it's, uh, it's impossible to tell these
14:44things to people who are true believers, right?
14:46They're going to, they're going to believe what they're going to believe.
14:48But, um, yeah, so that's how it was spoken of is that they were, they, it's like, it's
14:53like a portion of their life was like untouchable.
14:56It was when they were founding this thing, they were, you know, on, on mission, they were
15:00on, uh, they were on track with God's plan, but then they eventually, you know, uh, faded
15:07away.
15:08Um, that being said, uh, one of the people that I traveled with in Africa and in the Caribbean,
15:13his name is Richard Holt.
15:16And so I think he is the son of, um, uh, this definitely the relative, if not the son of,
15:23um, you know, the whole, that, that founded the whole gosh darn thing.
15:27So, cause he, he's in his eighties.
15:29So I haven't done the math on that, but, uh, I mean, he's gotta be related at least.
15:34Yeah.
15:34Sounds like it, you know, whenever I first come out of this thing, it's weird.
15:39The histories are so similar because in Branhamism, it was the same way.
15:43You had the original core group of people and then somebody broke off and they're immediately
15:49denounced.
15:49They're the, they're the, they're the Judas.
15:51They're the Judas of the group.
15:53And they went out of us because they were not, you know, they were not part of us.
15:57Well, after a while you start to thinking about how it grows, somebody leaves, they become
16:03Judas.
16:04It grows again.
16:06Somebody else becomes the Judas.
16:08Well, after a while you start asking, well, how many Judas is, is going to be sent to this
16:11movement and you're programmed and manipulated to think that it's a very black or white angels
16:19or demons world.
16:20And Satan is trying to penetrate this because it's the core secret knowledge, secret truth
16:27that nobody else has in Christianity.
16:29Only we in this little group have it until a Judas comes along.
16:33And now he takes it and it starts to disseminate among the rest of the church.
16:37Well, even that raises questions because, well, if we're the only ones that have the secret
16:42and there's 50 different Judases, well, eventually the rest of the world is going to have your
16:46secret.
16:48And I was beginning to study, you know, all of the way that from early Christianity, this
16:54has been a problem that has existed as far back in time as I can go.
16:57And the thing that is odd about it is it doesn't seem to exist among the core Christian groups
17:06that developed into the Christian church.
17:08It's always the Gnostic type religions where you've got this divine mystery.
17:13All of the mystery cults have this divisions and weird growth.
17:18And then somebody splits off and then that grows.
17:21It's like this virus that metastasizes all over the history of the world, right?
17:27So I'm studying history, I'm studying the cults, and then I'm going back to, all paths lead
17:34back to the Sharon Orphanage because it's the epicenter for what developed.
17:38So I'm going back to the Sharon Orphanage and I'm seeing many of the same symptoms of
17:43Gnostic faith in the original, you know, Sharon Orphanage.
17:47So when I look at global missions today, you don't really, you look at it and you don't
17:51see Gnosticism.
17:52But when you see the core element that everything grew from, it raises a lot of questions of
17:57the foundations of the faith, which is probably, I would say, out of all the questions that
18:03I've wanted to circle back and ask you, what are your thoughts on that?
18:06Would you say that it has developed and shifted to a new foundation or are they still in this,
18:13I don't even know what you call it, this mystery, divine mystery type religion?
18:17And I know exactly what you're asking, John, and I think the answer is they are still interested
18:23in the, they are still interested in trying to suss out the divine will of God, which
18:35is not the revealed will of God, right?
18:37And we are supposed to be satisfied with the revealed will of God.
18:41We are supposed to be satisfied with what he has told us to do and what he has revealed
18:46and everything else that's trying to get behind that veil is called divination.
18:51And divination is witchcraft and witchcraft is not a part of Christian practice.
18:57So we need to be very, very, very careful that our itching ears, you know, are not looking
19:02to be tickled by, you know, the secrets of the divine world.
19:06You know, it's when we try to understand God's unrevealed will, God's divine will, we are
19:16trying to arrest control from Jesus and we are trying to arrest control from God and that
19:23path leads to destruction.
19:25Let me tell you.
19:26So I would say, I think I should, I should, everyone who's listening, you should fact check
19:32this, right?
19:33But if you go to globalmissions.org, you can read their statement of faith.
19:38And like the, all of the first statements are very like regular Christian statements, but
19:45it's the last one that just kills me, which is we believe that there is an ongoing revelation
19:51and that is counter to the idea of a scriptural sufficiency.
19:57Like we, the scriptures are sufficient for our Christian walk.
20:04And depending on, you know, I don't know what your eschatology is, like for the listener
20:07or you, John, but like, you know, I believe we are, you know, pre-millennial and we're in
20:13the church age right now and we have been given the greatest gift.
20:17We have salvation and we have the scriptures.
20:19And so I think if you're trying to go beyond that, I think you're stepping into very dangerous
20:24territory, but long story long, I do think that we, that Global Missions Church right
20:30now, I think that's, many of their practices are just regular Christian practices, but I
20:38think that what they think makes them special is their focus on this special Gnostic revelation
20:47that's been given to them.
20:48It's funny how many of my podcasts kind of come together for no reason at all.
20:53Like I don't, I don't drive the conversations in many directions.
20:57Usually it's the guest that does, but I just had a similar conversation with two different
21:02people, three different people.
21:03Actually, the idea that this spoken word, this divine mysteries, this revelation, this ongoing
21:12revelation, it all stems from what is, I guess, best considered as a restoration doctrine that
21:22is built on top of this weird mystery cult.
21:27And the best way to explain it, I think, is to look at the church in church history.
21:34Jesus, you know, came, died for the sins, rose again, and he says, I will send the Holy Spirit
21:40who will lead you and guide you into truth.
21:42Well, this restoration movement, which there's different restoration movements, so I'm being
21:47cautious how I say it.
21:48This restoration of the church movement gives you the idea, the false idea, that the Holy
21:56Spirit, when it came to lead the church into all truth, it was a complete and utter failure
22:02and had no divine power or insight to actually lead the church.
22:08And quite frankly, if you follow all paths out to its logical conclusion, in this restorationist
22:15movement, the Holy Spirit is an imbecile.
22:17So we need an apostle, a prophet, a spoken word who's going to do the work that the Holy
22:22Spirit was sent to do.
22:24That is, in a nutshell, that's my opinion on the restoration of the church movement.
22:30But their theology is such that the church will fall into an apostate condition, and only
22:37this small, tiny group of Christians, among all other Christians in the world, is going
22:43to be the ones who are not apostate, and they will be restored, and this condition is restored
22:49through ongoing revelation.
22:51And there's different phrases for how this works.
22:54Kenneth Hagin used the word rhema.
22:56Branham and Jim Jones used the spoken word.
22:59There are different variations of this, but it's actually developed into what we see today
23:05in all the chaos that's in the Gnar movement.
23:08They're built on that idea that there's an apostate church, and you must have a super
23:11apostle who's going to give you the new word, and basically, he's going to be your new Holy
23:16Spirit.
23:17You don't need the Holy Spirit.
23:18Come to me and give me all your money, and I will be your new Holy Spirit.
23:22So it's interesting the way that you said that, because it sounds like they have progressed
23:28in a really good way, but they're hanging on to the one thing that, I think I even used
23:34this example in one of the others, but it's like if my wife were to make a birthday cake
23:39and bring a bunch of kids in, and then one of the kids comes in and says, ha ha, I put
23:43some cyanide in one bite, see who finds it, and that, to me, that's what that is.
23:49When you say you have ongoing revelation, this is the cyanide that is poisoning your
23:53gospel.
23:54Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
23:56You know, there was always something that bothered me about the, there was particular
24:05messages and sermons, and sometimes there's even entire weekend camps devoted to where
24:10we came from, and like what our special revelation was, and there was something about that that
24:14always bothered me, and I think it was just like my intuition, maybe it was just the Holy
24:18Spirit just kind of tapping me on the shoulder and being like, hey, like, whatever this is,
24:23it deserves some special attention, you know, and, you know, like a good member, I just ignored
24:29that, but for a long time at least, but yeah, I think it's really too bad, because it does
24:36nothing good for the church, all it does is it drives people back to a, it drives them
24:46back into the church, into a seclusionary attitude where they need to be separate from
24:51the world, and that cuts them off from being able to invest in their community, and, you
24:57know, actually reach people that are in their community through, you know, works, and not
25:02just faith and actually helping people, because when you're so focused on this divine revelation,
25:12it is inherently separating you from the divine commission, which is, you know, to feed the
25:19hungry and clothe the naked and, you know, help the fatherless and the widows and those
25:27in prison, you know, so on and so forth, because the only place that you can learn more about
25:32this divine revelation is at in your group, wherever your group is, whatever your group
25:37does, you need to spend more of your time, more of your money, more of your energy in
25:43this group to understand this, you know, divine revelation, and it's never enough, right, there
25:47is, there is no end in sight, you know, I remember we were having like a small devotions with
25:54our like young adults group, and, you know, there was a, I think he was like 18 or 19 at the
25:59time, and he just got so fed up, he was like, it's been 80 years since we had this revelation,
26:04why hasn't it happened yet, you know, and of course, oh, we had all these excuses about
26:08why it hadn't happened yet, but like, when you think about it, it's like, geez, like it
26:12sure seemed pretty timely, like it seemed pretty, you know, there's a time pressure when, when
26:17it all came out, but you know, it has been, you know, three generations since that started,
26:21so, um, uh, yeah, oh man, I was just thinking, John, like, the world has changed so much since
26:29we last met, and it's only been like, it's been less than a month, I think, like, between like
26:35the Charlie Kirk assassination, and then this whole like, um, uh, oh, what is it called, the guy like
26:44said that the world was going to end, and then there's going to be a rapture and stuff, and people
26:47are like, selling their homes, and all this like, horrible, horrible stuff, like, man, like, it's
26:52just such a, such a different world, and I don't know, all of it, I think, just requires, um, you
26:58know, if you, if you don't think that, um, you know, if you don't have a reason to really read the
27:06scriptures and understand what's going on from a biblical context, if, if the last month hasn't
27:11given you a reason to do that as a Christian, I don't think anything will.
27:15It's funny how many changes are happening so rapidly right now, and you look at the world,
27:21and you think, there's no way it can get any worse, and yet it always does, but, so, one
27:27of the thing, one of the most important parts for me about digging into all of these histories
27:31is the fact that you see that what you and I are talking about now, how the world is getting
27:37worse, this is something that has been going on for as long back in history as you can go.
27:42I remember having a conversation with somebody after I, I had, at that point, I'll bet I've
27:48read maybe two or three hundred thousand newspaper articles.
27:53I have literally gone through history like no man's business since I left the cult, and
27:58I was in, I was in a casual, non-religious conversation, and they were talking about, you
28:03know, the world has just gotten so bad.
28:04I remember back, back in my day, back when we used to walk uphill in the snow to go to
28:10school, all of this stuff, they said it was so much safer back then.
28:14You could let your kids play out in the neighborhood, and look at it today.
28:18I'm scared to even let my kids out in the front yard.
28:20And I had just read not one, not five, maybe 50 articles, some of them even here locally
28:30went for this person that's saying this, where some guy was just out, I'm not even going to
28:37say it because YouTube will probably block the comments on the video, but horrific murders
28:41were happening by somebody who was a, you know, just mentally insane, and that was back
28:48in the early 1900s, and I think some of the other ones were in the 1800s.
28:54Usually, the difference that I see now between back then is the information spreads more quickly.
29:01In today's world, whenever something like this happens, you're going to know about it in
29:05China, you're going to know about it in Japan, you know about it everywhere, but back then,
29:10we did not have the communication tools, there was no warning system, so when somebody went
29:15insane, you couldn't quickly warn your neighbors, which brings me to the other topic, the principal
29:23vehicle for moving Branham's message.
29:25So, I've dug deep into the history of Branhamism.
29:29Since you and I spoke last, I found that there's this point of time that's odd for me.
29:36William Branham is a no-name revival ministry person working under the second-in-command
29:43of the 1915 clan, who is a con man, by the way, who is deep into spiritualism, who actually
29:50started his ministry here in Jeffersonville, where I live, by pretending to be a converted
29:56spiritualist, and he knew all the secrets of spiritualism.
29:59So, this is a person who had no name, and then in 1947, boom, everybody knows him.
30:07And if you have a newspapers.com subscription, you can go look at the timeline, just search
30:13William Branham's name up until 1947, you find nothing, and then boom, it's all over
30:19the world, man.
30:20And what I found was, there was a guy in, he was in Oakland, California, who was one
30:28of the original, I want to say that there were five original Oneness Pentecostals.
30:34I may be off on that number, somebody may correct me, but he was among the early group of men
30:39who were baptized in Oneness faith, who was a sexual predator, who basically, I don't know
30:48if he started the rumor or if others joined in, but it was at his church that it was believed
30:54that the omen of Smith Wigglesworth, which is really, really odd if you think about it.
31:01I'm using the word omen because in Branhamism, which would have descended to the early foundation
31:07of, you know, Sharon Orphanage, there was this idea that whenever a dead body of a religious
31:14figure, when he passed, the spirit could be captured.
31:19This has actually developed into what we have as grave soaking today, but in Branhamism, somebody
31:24died.
31:25If you had a spiritual event or if you were born on the same day as the death, you could
31:30catch the spirit.
31:31Well, Branham says that he did this and all of the people just went wild.
31:36Well, this happened apparently in the church of one of the original founders of the Pentecostal,
31:43in this Pentecostal faith, who was a predator, who admitted that he was a sexual predator in
31:48his church and remained a head of the Pentecostal organization that he was in because he said,
31:56I fasted and it went away.
31:58And so he remained in his position.
32:01Anyway, this idea that spiritualism can happen was forming.
32:07And then Branham, a lot of even the Branhamites aren't aware of this history.
32:12It began with a gimmick.
32:14Branham would have these healing revivals and he would hold his hands out and if his hand
32:20changed color, he was detecting the disease.
32:24And if it turned a specific color, I think it was purple, your disease is too bad.
32:28I can't heal you.
32:29God can't heal you.
32:30Go home to die, essentially.
32:32The newspapers described this.
32:34Well, this was a trick.
32:35This was a gimmick.
32:37And the way that the faith healers did it, they would put a rock under their underarm.
32:40And if you squeeze your underarm real tight and cut off circulation, it causes your hand
32:44to change color.
32:46So he's doing this gimmick.
32:48But those who are believing in the gimmick see it as spiritualism, divination.
32:54He can divine the spirits with his hand.
32:57This changed into the vibrating hand because I guess people caught on that you can do this
33:01trick with a rock.
33:02So he and Oral Roberts would vibrate their hands and if the hand vibrates.
33:07And in Branhamism, he would say, it vibrated so much that it kept breaking my watch.
33:13So I got what in today's money is like $10,000 watch.
33:16So I got this $10,000 watch that doesn't break when it vibrates.
33:21So you had this weirdness that even in the Branham cults, they are unaware of this history.
33:27But then I'm just going to read this phrase from that website I mentioned earlier.
33:32It said, the primary vehicle for carrying some of Branham's message forward was the
33:38Sharon orphanage in schools.
33:40And here's where I'm building up to the question.
33:44He said one of the students was a man named George Houghton, Houghton or Houghton, I don't
33:48know how you say this name.
33:50And the leader of the ABC cult knew him personally, and the author of the page said he had the
33:58opportunity to speak to Houghton on the phone before Houghton died.
34:02And Houghton became very, he used the word animated, I guess, from his anger at the Sharon
34:10orphanage because apparently there was this rift.
34:12And so Houghton is the one who was really heavy into spreading some of the worst doctrines
34:20of Branhamism.
34:22But he's also working with the people at the Sharon orphanage, who is the primary vehicle
34:27for Branhamism.
34:29So now you're left with the question, well, Branhamism was brought into the organization.
34:34Houghton was one of the key figures, there were others who were spreading Branhamism, but
34:37Houghton was one of the big ones.
34:39And then this thing happened.
34:42Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal movement started, or how the progression of
34:47modern Pentecostalism transitioned through the latter reign, charismatic, and other fringe
34:52movements into the new apostolic reformation?
34:55You can learn this and more on William Branham Historical Research's website, william-branham.org.
35:03On the books page of the website, you can find the compiled research of John Collins, Charles
35:08Paisley, Stephen Montgomery, John McKinnon, and others, with links to the paper, audio, and
35:14digital versions of each book.
35:17You can also find resources and documentation on various people and topics related to those
35:23movements.
35:24If you want to contribute to the cause, you can support the podcast by clicking the contribute
35:29button at the top.
35:30And as always, be sure to like and subscribe to the audio or video version that you're listening
35:35to or watching.
35:36On behalf of William Branham Historical Research, we want to thank you for your support.
35:42Are you aware of any of that history?
35:44Do they talk about some big falling out with George Houghton?
35:46No, the falling outs are not highlighted.
35:50Like, they are not talked about.
35:52It's only been in whispers that I've been able to like, you know, because they'll talk
35:56about the founder, like, for lack of a better term, the founding fathers, right, of the movement
36:02in the orphanage.
36:03But they don't want to undercut that grandiosity by then following that up with, but, you know,
36:08they only stuck around for, you know, nine or 10 years, and then they went off and did
36:12their own thing, right?
36:13Um, so instead, uh, what they do is they just kind of avoid it.
36:19But I remember as a young kid being like, okay, like, I know that there are Holtz here.
36:23Where are the Hottons and where are the Hunts, right?
36:27Like, where's the, where are the family members, right?
36:29Uh, so no, we weren't, like, we were not made aware of those things, but, you know, I remember
36:36hearing stories about people losing their healing because they didn't have enough faith, you
36:42know, like, like, there was a story that was circulated about a woman who, um, was healed
36:47of, of being blind.
36:48And then she, you know, said something, you know, wrong about the, you know, brethren or
36:54about the ministers and lost her healing and went back to being blind again, you know?
37:00And so all, you know, all of those like indicate like a pattern of abuse that was, um, in alignment
37:05with a lot of these faith healers, right?
37:07They would, you know, command, uh, command healing on, on Thursday.
37:12And then on Friday, they were packing up in another city.
37:16And then on Saturday, the person wasn't healed anymore.
37:18Um, and that was, you know, that's, that's common.
37:22Those, those kinds of faith healers were a dime a dozen back then.
37:25Um, I also think it's important for listeners to understand like how popular spiritualism was
37:31in the forties, like it was, it was Avengers level popular.
37:37Like there was a, you know, you could get t-shirts and stand and, you know, stickers everywhere
37:42on every street corner, you know, so to speak from these, from these spiritualists, like
37:47it was really everywhere.
37:48People would go to them daily to get, you know, uh, readings and this and that, and they
37:54were making big, you know, big news, big waves.
37:57So for someone to say that they came out of spiritualism, like that holds a lot of context
38:01in, um, you know, in, in the forties, especially because they were, um, you know, they were
38:07a former, right?
38:08So it's like, oh, it's like, you know, God reached into the pit of hell and pulled this
38:11person out to do a special work.
38:13Um, whereas it's, it's the same, it's the same practices and the same beliefs.
38:18It's just been a branded, you know, with a Christian, uh, with Christian packaging.
38:23But, um, I'm, unfortunately there was not a lot of education about why people left,
38:29you know, and I think that was, that was intentional, right?
38:32That was part of the information control that I experienced in my group.
38:35And oddly, as it relates to what I said earlier, it's one of the central themes in some of Stephen
38:40King's books.
38:41I've, I've read a few of Stephen King's books.
38:43There's this unsuspecting person who comes into the village or the, the little town.
38:48Everybody's love bombing, love bombing him.
38:52He's welcome.
38:52Everybody's uneasily, what, I don't know what the word is that they seem abnormally happy
39:00to him.
39:01And then suddenly he finds out something is wrong.
39:04What's wrong here?
39:06And then, you know, then the plot thickens and it goes the Stephen King direction.
39:09But that theme I'm certain comes from these types of cults.
39:13They, they treat you just like this.
39:15They love bomb you.
39:16But whenever something happens and somebody leaves the group, that, that leaving and why
39:22they're leaving is absorbed and completely forgotten.
39:25It's erased from our history, along with anything that could lead somebody to find why they left.
39:34So in Branhamism, we had, I don't know if it's the same with your group, but we had this
39:38collection of sermons from William Branham from 1947 to 1965.
39:42Interestingly, early in my leaving, I went through the newspapers to find all of the places he
39:50went because he recorded almost everywhere he went.
39:52He had people doing it for him.
39:55And there's a number of missing sermons from this list.
39:59And interestingly, the very first words of the very first recording that we are allowed
40:05to hear, it says we're getting some new gadgets for recording, which implies and suggests
40:12that, and confirms really, there were old gadgets for recording and we don't have any of this
40:17history.
40:18Where I'm headed with this is the very first sermon talks about the moving of the bracelet.
40:22And one of the other tricks that they did is this was magnetic recording.
40:26It was usually reel to reel back then.
40:29I think it was wire recording before that, but with the reel to reel recording, it made it
40:33easy because you could snip out the parts you didn't like and tape them together and record
40:37it off to another spool.
40:39And so there are numerous places where it says there's a blank spot and tape in the
40:44transcript and you can hear this abrupt clip where he's talking about the moving of the
40:48bracelet and it gets right to the point where it's so exciting and then there's a blank
40:52spot.
40:54So classic.
40:55Yeah.
40:55You don't know what happened, but how, how was it in, in your group?
40:59Did they have these types of recordings?
41:01Like, can you go access some of the old recordings today or is it, they keep it from you?
41:06So it's, it's a good question.
41:07Like I remember in the cloud room on in North Balliford, there was a tape recorder recording
41:13every single message, every single message being given.
41:17And my dad would make copies and he would send them out to all of these different addresses.
41:21So that implies to me that there was, you know, something similar going on where it was
41:28like, it's not just another service.
41:29This is like, you know, this is God's new revelation that's happening every single week.
41:34And I don't know if you remember from my testimony that I shared in the first, the first time we
41:40got together, but I got out because someone from a message called in Saskatoon went on a
41:45podcast and talked about their experience.
41:47And she described her message, her particular message group as one of the tape recording ones
41:54where they would literally, their services were literally just listening to those tapes.
41:58Like you said, from what were the, over the years, 50 to 65, 47 to 65, 47 to 65.
42:05So they would, they would just had a selection of tapes and they would just listen to that.
42:09And, um, you know, I think their, their leader would maybe do an intro every once in a while,
42:14you know, do a song and an intro and then it was tape time.
42:17So, um, well, yeah, he was busy doing other things like struggle sessions and that kind
42:23of stuff.
42:23So, you know, he had his hand, uh, uh, in other areas of that church, but, um, yeah.
42:29So in our church, I remember, yeah, dad, like recording every single meeting, sending them
42:34to people.
42:35And, um, you know, from what I can tell, I can't really get access to that stuff online.
42:41That being said, there is a YouTube channel now.
42:45And so you can go listen to, um, uh, you can go listen to the camp meetings there, but
42:51they cut out all of the, you know, charismatic stuff, like all of the prophecy and, and talking
42:57and speaking in tongues and worship, uh, and they just do the messages.
43:01So, um, but, you know, I, I showed those books to you, uh, last time, um, and they had, um,
43:08the, the two competing stories or one was a little less detailed than the other one.
43:13Um, I would love to find older additions, but I cannot get my hands on any older additions,
43:19but I do happen to know where they are.
43:22They, I know exactly where they are in North Battleford.
43:24They're in the office.
43:25There's a, there's a library there and you're not allowed to just go in there.
43:29Um, so it exists.
43:32I know it exists.
43:33I know there's copies, um, but I just don't, I just can't get my hands on it.
43:37And I would love to get a copy of, you know, the Feast of Tabernacles, uh, from before 1978,
43:42because I'm sure there were a lot of intentional edits being done there.
43:46You know, that confirms the biggest question that I was building up to.
43:49So you've already confirmed it, but in Branhamism, the power of these recordings, I think people
43:55don't really recognize, especially the power of when you can cut something out.
43:59The places that they miss are very, make it very evident that you can sway the whole course
44:06of understanding of what is actually happening in the building.
44:11As this thing is being recorded, if you take away the parts that lead you to believe that
44:16it wasn't spiritual, one of the things that they missed is Branham claimed to have this.
44:21He called it discernment, which is different from spiritual discernment.
44:24This is actually some sort of a divination or fortune telling, but somebody would come
44:29up and he would say, he would do the vibrating hand thing.
44:33I think at this point, and on the recordings, he would say, I know exactly what's wrong with
44:36you.
44:37You have this, this, and this.
44:39And in one place they missed cutting the lady out who said, no, brother Branham, he doesn't
44:44have that.
44:45He's got this other thing.
44:46And then he starts to argue with the lady.
44:48No, you don't know what he has.
44:50And it turns into this weird, funny thing.
44:52Um, I put out a video on this a while back, but when you cut those things out and you can
44:58find, if you search the transcripts, fortunately the editors in Branhamism label where they cut.
45:05So you can go through and you can see in a prayer line, you're going to have a 50 cuts
45:09in a prayer line.
45:10So when you're cutting and you're morphing and changing the perception, but then somebody
45:17on the other end receives it, the person who receives it automatically thinks everything
45:22that's said on the recording is true, is legitimate, because else why would people send
45:28this to me?
45:29If, if the rest of the people were there, they saw it happen, they heard it happen, and they're
45:34sending it to me, it must have gone through a series of validations.
45:37So we had many churches, I've said in numerous churches, like you described, where we're just
45:43sitting there listening to a recording and you're listening to the recording with the
45:46perception that everything is legitimate.
45:49And then as I'm deprogramming coming out of this, I'm starting to realize it wasn't
45:55legitimate so much as the power of the recording was far greater than I realized.
46:02And I started going through the history of this.
46:04And interestingly, I don't know if you knew this, John Alexander Dowie is one of the first
46:09ones who did this.
46:11And towards the end of his life, as he was losing his mental faculties, he started recording
46:17his sermons or sermonettes, they got shorter, and he would send these out, and he had quite
46:23a following around the United States.
46:25So he would distribute these around different places, even to his own church he had these
46:30recordings.
46:31And what this does, you've got a leader who claims divine healing, who needs divine healing
46:37himself.
46:38But you can cut out where he rambles, where his mind goes astray.
46:43So he cleaned up his sermons and he started going, he went to his, he had like a summer
46:48home.
46:49So he goes to the summer home, he stays there and he's sending out these recordings.
46:52People think he's well and he's not.
46:54So he changed their perception, that's where I'm heading with this.
46:59So what this does, however, you send it out to a home or a little group and they hear it,
47:05they have this perception.
47:07So they start sharing it around the community.
47:10Suddenly you start to get other people and other churches attracted to it.
47:16So I'm assuming already, since you've already said this, I'm assuming that the Global Missions
47:22group has started to affiliate over the years with many different groups of Pentecostals,
47:28Charismatics, Oneness, et cetera.
47:29Would you say that's accurate?
47:31Boy, that's a really hard one.
47:32That's a hard question to field.
47:37Typically when I, when I would hear about, you know, that was my dad's job, right?
47:43It was to interface with other groups that were potentially interested, right?
47:47I remember particularly, there was a group that met at the airport in Las Vegas and he
47:52was courting them for quite a while.
47:53But I think the issue was, is that our group, if you want to be associated with our group,
48:00you need to conform to our norms and standards.
48:04And when you are only able to attract groups who have a claim to divine revelation, it's very
48:12difficult to get them to get rid of their divine revelation in favor of our divine revelation.
48:18So, you know, there's a lot of disappointed, you know, disappointing trips for my dad because
48:24he would invest, you know, multiple, multiple, multiple trips to go seeing these people along
48:30with other brethren from the church.
48:31And, you know, at the end of the day, they wouldn't, you know, get anything, you know, out
48:35of it, but only, only very recently has my dad engaged with other groups that are not
48:47associated with the move of the spirit, which is what, what we used to reference ourselves,
48:53this move of the spirit, global missions, or, you know, that's all interchangeable.
48:57But, um, yeah, so it's, uh, I don't, I don't, I think the answer to that question is no, I
49:04don't think they wanted to be associated with anybody else.
49:07I think those bridges had been burned from all of the people that had left over the years
49:12to go join, or in most cases, start those movements to begin with.
49:17Gotcha.
49:17And I, I'm hearing that phrase quite a few times during this recording, and I think even
49:23the last one, move of the spirit, this sounds like this is loaded language to identify your
49:28group.
49:29Is that correct?
49:30That's absolutely correct.
49:31It's, it's referencing the, it's referencing the, the outpouring of the spirit in 1948,
49:36which is like our claim to fame.
49:38Gotcha.
49:39So they, I, I'm assuming they don't use the word ladder rain.
49:42Oh no, we, I didn't know.
49:44I didn't know about ladder rain until like much later in life.
49:48And it was only in the context of, you know, it was in the context of like, you know, brother
49:53hunt left and started the ladder rain.
49:56Like it was never mentioned that the ladder rain began in 1948.
50:00Like that was the first piece of information that I saw about our church.
50:05Um, that was like a hundred percent contrary to what I was taught growing up, but it was like,
50:10no, no, no.
50:10So the ladder rain was the movement that started in 1948.
50:15Wow.
50:16In North Battleford, like our group for sure.
50:19Yeah.
50:19It's kind of funny because I've, if you understand the, I mentioned earlier, the restoration of
50:26the church movement closely related to this is the revival culture, because you almost
50:33have to have both for them both to work together.
50:35But yet, if you go back to the origins of any of these major revivals that the NAR considers
50:43in their path of history, you find just pure chaos and you find numerous cults have emerged
50:49because of said revival.
50:52And I'm looking at, right now, I'm going to make a lot of people mad because I'm going
50:57to mention, I'm looking deep into the revival that started when the Assemblies of God was
51:02birthed and what I can tell from the newspapers is it really doesn't quite match the history
51:07they're giving and I want to know why.
51:09So I'm digging deeper into that.
51:11The other thing that's odd about it to me is the, many of the leaders who are joining
51:17into this, they seem to have taken issue with there being a black leader in Indianapolis.
51:24And so many of the, it caused this weird split and the revival seems more like a power
51:28shift to me than even a revival.
51:31The revival that happened at Sharon Orphanage, however, it wasn't so much a shift in power
51:38as it was, it was birthing a new thing that you could see was clearly forming before the
51:45revival.
51:45It's as though they were trying to generate this hype and then Branham rode the hype.
51:51So many of the questions I have come to the, with regards to Sharon Orphanage, come to the
51:57years before it.
51:59Like, so Gordon Lindsay, if you read how he and Branham connected, Gordon Lindsay was his
52:04campaign manager throughout most of the early years up to, I can't remember what years,
52:10like 1960 something.
52:12Well, he was also sent out by Amy Semple McPherson's group and his district was right adjacent to
52:20the North Battleford district.
52:22So he, I know there was probably another leader there, but he would have been in contact.
52:28And yet they pretended like they'd never heard of each other.
52:31And there's some weirdness there.
52:33So if I look at the origins of the revival that happened at Global Missions, it matches the
52:39pattern of they're covering something up.
52:41I don't know what it is, but it also matches the pattern.
52:45They don't really talk about it in the historical correctness in today's world.
52:51Why don't they talk about it?
52:53And the fact that you just mentioned, you can't even go through the archives.
52:57It leads you to believe there's something more going on.
53:00Yeah, there's probably a couple very inconvenient truths that are, you know, you know, present
53:07in that archive.
53:09And I know the fellow who, you know, is the administrator now, he has a very good head
53:16on his shoulders.
53:17And I don't think he, I think I'm going to make some people angry now.
53:22I don't think he believes anything that's happened.
53:25I really don't think he's a true believer.
53:27And I think he is, you know, doing it because his dad asked him to, and he's now the administrator.
53:33Um, but he's, he's more of like a, a nerd for history.
53:38And so I think it's actually, there's a really good chance that this is going to be preserved
53:43and that it will eventually come out, which I'm very happy about.
53:48Um, but for the time being, I don't think you can just have access.
53:52Like, I don't, I don't like think I would even be allowed to just say, you know, Hey,
53:56I would like to look through a couple of things here.
53:58Like, I don't think that would be, uh, an option for me, but, uh, they would probably
54:03ask why, right.
54:04And I would tell them the truth.
54:05And so then they would deny.
54:06Um, so I think, um, you know, I mentioned it the last time we were together.
54:11It's the, the, the feeling was there was this incredible work of God in 1948.
54:18Um, and all these miraculous things happened, and then you can kind of ignore everything that
54:22happened in the last 40 years.
54:24And now we're here and everything's great again, it's been perfect since the nineties
54:28or something like that, you know?
54:30Um, and I've always been curious about that, that in between time.
54:34You know, it's kind of funny the way you described that when you're in a cult and your entire
54:39life has been wrapped around the cult, it's very difficult to leave a cult and there are
54:43numerous people, countless people.
54:45I've even had people email me and tell me this.
54:47I'm, I don't believe anything about this, but yet my entire life is wrapped up in it.
54:52I can't just leave.
54:53All my friends are here.
54:55So I had one person really get open heart to heart with me and tell me, I worship the
55:01real Jesus.
55:01I just want you to know that, but I'm staying in this because all my family is.
55:05And so you get people like that.
55:07And I have for years, like you had a close, more than one close contacts in the headquarters
55:13of Branhamism.
55:14And what's funny about that is I've mentioned it a few times and I want to say it was weeks,
55:21maybe a few months after I had mentioned it last time, they had a massive culling of the
55:26organization.
55:27Almost half the staff was let go.
55:29And I'm not going to mention, obviously, whether the people I have on the inside are still there
55:35or not, but the fact that they'll go to those extremes to cover up the history, for me, it's
55:41eye-opening and it has to be eye-opening to anybody who's, you know, who's looking into
55:45this thing.
55:46So thank you so much for doing this.
55:48Yeah.
55:48Oh man.
55:49My pleasure to be back, John.
55:50And yeah, if you want to want me to just, I can email you back on some of those questions
55:56too, if you want to do it that way or not.
55:59But like I said before, long time listener, keep up the great work.
56:03It's been a huge help for me getting out and for anybody listening, there is a lot on the
56:09other side of leaving a cult and you don't have to lose all of your familial relationships
56:13and, you know, friends and all that kind of stuff.
56:16You can do both.
56:17You can act with congruency in your own life and you can also maintain your relationships
56:24and a freedom of mind outside of the group.
56:27So there's hope.
56:28Absolutely.
56:29And I'm going to put you on the hook because you're going to answer those questions in person
56:33next time.
56:34Okay.
56:34Sounds good.
56:35Thank you so much.
56:37If you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web.
56:41You can find us at william-branham.org.
56:43For more about the dark side of the new apostolic reformation, you can read Weaponized Religion
56:47from Christian Identity to the NAR, available on Amazon, Kindle, and Audible.
57:09Thanks.
Be the first to comment