John and Steve examine the intersections of history, spirituality, and global religious movements in apostasy. They begin with a reflection on the challenges of keeping up with numerous research requests, before turning toward the influence of deliverance practices in Africa. The conversation highlights how these practices often blend local traditions with imported Pentecostal ideas, creating unique but sometimes troubling expressions of faith. Along the way, John and Steve compare this to past movements, noting disturbing patterns of continuity between older revivals and modern charismatic networks.
As the discussion develops, they explore figures such as John G. Lake, Charles Parham, F. F. Bosworth, and others who shaped deliverance practices in both America and Africa. They trace how the Latter Rain movement crossed into Ghana and influenced the Church of Pentecost, bringing with it new forms of prophecy, healing, and directive leadership. The dialogue also touches on related themes such as spiritual warfare, prosperity teachings, charismatic personalities, and the legacy of occult and esoteric ideas. Throughout, John and Steve raise questions about authenticity, influence, and the blurred boundaries between spirituality and manipulation in global religious networks.
00:00 Introduction 01:00 Researching rabbit trails and African spiritual roots 02:30 Smithsonian controversy and political revisionism 03:30 Concealed religious histories influencing U.S. politics 04:00 Science fiction and belief—Prometheus example 05:00 Deliverance and NAR claims of revival in Africa 06:30 Akan beliefs and exorcism in Church of Pentecost 08:30 African influence on American charismatic demonology 09:30 Peter Wagner’s racial theology and church growth 10:30 John G. Lake, Zion City, and violent deliverance origins 12:00 Terminology shift: deliverance vs. exorcism 13:00 Latter Rain visits to Ghana and TL Osborne’s influence 14:30 Franklin Hall books and Ghana’s message followers 15:30 Thomas Wyatt, George Haughton, and prophetic transference 17:00 Directive prophecy and church growth statistics 18:00 Revival of prophetism and cultural readiness 19:00 Spiritual consultations and “divine aids” in deliverance 20:00 Zionism, Obadiah, and divergent interpretations 21:30 Dowie’s Zion and British Israelism complications 22:30 Matrix Reloaded and pop-culture Zion parallels 23:00 Witch hunting, sobbing, groaning, and spiritual fear 24:30 Healing clothes, demon-attracting fashion, and spiritual paranoia 25:30 Cross-pollination of cults, mystics, and revelation theft 26:30 Hard-to-trace connections and the Toronto Blessing 27:30 Jane Leade as mystical source of esoteric Pentecostalism 29:00 Prophets selling photos and claiming dream revelation 30:00 Spirit travel, dead-raising, and spiritual elitism 31:30 Flawed gospel and corrupt leadership restoration cycles 33:30 Rusty iron sharpens corroded nails: bad influences 34:30 Gordon Lindsay and leaders claiming resurrections 35:0
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