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Tv, Yes Minister - S03E07 — The Middle-Class Rip Off
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00:00Music
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00:22Steady, steady, steady.
00:52Let him have it! Let him have it!
01:08Are you coming for a drink in the boardroom, Jim?
01:10Oh, thanks.
01:17Ah, well. Better enjoy it while the club's still here.
01:22We've always survived in the past. It's different this time.
01:24You better tell him, Brian.
01:26We held an emergency meeting of the Finance Committee last night.
01:30Aston Wanderers is going to have to call in the receiver.
01:33You mean bankrupt?
01:35The final whistle. We need one and a half million quid, Jim.
01:39It's peanuts. The government wastes that much money every 30 seconds.
01:43You know what people around here are saying, Jim?
01:46That it's a dead loss having a cabinet minister for an MP.
01:49Better off with a local lad who's got time for his constituency.
01:52Oh, that's absurd.
01:53Why?
01:54Well, there are great advantages to having your MP in the cabinet.
01:56Funny. We haven't noticed them, have we, Ali?
01:58Such as?
02:00Well, it reflects well on the constituency.
02:02It's good to have powerful friends, influence in high places, a friend in need.
02:08Well, listen, friend, what we need is one and a half million quid.
02:12Ah.
02:13So will you use all that influence to help us?
02:16Well, when I said influence, I meant the indefinable sort.
02:20The intangible, subtle benefit of an input into broad general policy at its early stages,
02:28while keeping the interests of the constituency in mind.
02:32You mean no?
02:33Well, anything I can do in a broad general sense to further the cause, I will certainly, er, do, if I can.
02:44But for a minister to pump one and a half millions into his local football club...
02:48He means no.
02:49Well, but there'll be lots of votes in it, all the young people too.
02:52You'd be the hero of the constituency.
02:54Jim Hacker, the man who saved Aston Wanderers.
02:57Safe seat for life.
02:58Yeah, that might just occur to the press, and the opposition, and the judge.
03:02Look, Jim, if this club goes to the wall, it'll be a disaster.
03:05I mean, look at our history.
03:07FA Cup winners, league champions, first team ever into Europe.
03:10I know all that, Harry, but be fair.
03:12It's a local matter, not a ministerial one.
03:14Brian, you're chairman of the Borough Arts and Leisure Committee.
03:18Can't you do something?
03:19Me?
03:20You must be joking.
03:21I spent half a yesterday trying to raise 711 quid to re-point the chimney on the Corn Exchange art gallery.
03:27That miserable place.
03:28Why don't you let it fall down?
03:30I'd love to, but if he fell down on somebody, the council's liable.
03:33We own the bloody place.
03:35And we keep getting offers for the site.
03:37I mean, Safe Fair Supermarkets were after it only last month.
03:41How long?
03:42How much were they offering?
03:44About two million quid, I think.
03:47So if you sold the art gallery, you could save the football plan.
03:51Well, there'd have to be a planning inquiry.
03:53Can we have a look at it?
03:54It'll have to be quick.
03:55They close at 5.
03:56It is, isn't it?
03:57Well, it's a grade two listed building, isn't it?
03:58It is, isn't it?
03:59Well, it's a grade two listed building, isn't it?
04:04Bernard, what is our political master up to with the Corn Exchange art gallery?
04:10Oh, well, how did you find out about that?
04:11Not from you, Bernard.
04:12An omission you may perhaps care to explain.
04:13Well, surely it's just a constituency matter.
04:14Oh, surely not.
04:15It's just a constituency matter.
04:16Oh, surely not.
04:17It's just a constituency matter.
04:18Oh, we're closing the gallery to sell it to safe fair supermarkets and using the money
04:23as an interest free loan to Aston Wanderers.
04:24He's just acting as an MP not as a minister.
04:25Well, we're closing the gallery to sell it to safe fair supermarkets and using the money
04:30as an interest free loan to Aston Wanderers.
04:33He's just acting as an MP and not as a minister.
04:38What?
04:39I don't want to talk to you, but I'm not.
04:40What's it in the end.
04:41What is the name of it?
04:42Oh, someone's the name of it.
04:43Oh, you can find me.
04:44I won't let me know.
04:45Oh, well, it's a good idea.
04:46In the name of it, you can see if you're on your mat.
04:47You can see me at the table.
04:50That's good.
04:51not as a minister. It is the principle, Bernard. Have you thought what the effect
04:56would be if this were allowed to happen? Very popular. Exactly. Distressingly
05:03popular, hideously popular. And then? The minister will be re-elected. That
05:08consequence, Bernard, is not exactly at the top of our list of priorities. As far
05:13as this department is concerned, it makes very little difference who the minister
05:16is. But the point is, suppose other football clubs got into difficulties. And what about
05:22greyhound racing? Should dog tracks be subsidised as well as football clubs, for
05:27instance? Why not, if that's what the people want? Bernard, subsidy is for art, for culture.
05:40It is not to be given to what the people want. It is for what the people don't
05:46want, but ought to have. If they want something, they'll pay for it themselves.
05:53No. We subsidise education, enlightenment, spiritual uplift. Not the vulgar pastimes of
06:01ordinary people. It's the thin end of the wedge, an appalling precedent. It must be
06:05stopped. Ah, minister.
06:07What's the matter now? Um, minister, I thought you'd like early warning that there is a reshuffle
06:16No, no, no, no, minister. There is to be a departmental reorganisation. A real reshuffle. We may get extra
06:31responsibilities. God, do we want them? We want all responsibilities, minister, as long as they mean
06:36extra staff and bigger budgets. It is the breadth of our responsibilities that makes us important. Makes you
06:42important, minister. When you see vast buildings, huge staff and massive budgets, what do you conclude?
06:49Bureaucracy?
06:51No, minister. You conclude that at the summit, there are men of great stature and dignity who hold the world in their hands
07:02and tread the earth like princes.
07:07Yes, I see.
07:09That's why each new responsibility must be seized eagerly and each old one guarded jealously. Entirely in your interests, of course, minister.
07:17I see. Well, thank you for warning me, Humphrey.
07:20Thank you, minister.
07:23Oh, by the way, about the Corn Exchange Art Gallery proposal.
07:31What about it?
07:32Well, of course, it's the most imaginative scheme, novel idea, but I wonder if it might not perhaps be a little unwise.
07:39Why?
07:40A valuable civic amenity.
07:42It's a monstrosity.
07:43It's a monstrosity.
07:44It's a monstrosity.
07:45A valuable civic monstrosity.
07:49But a most important collection of British painting.
07:51Artily unimportant. Second-rate 18th-century portraits, third-rate 19th-century landscapes and a collection of modern paintings that the Tate wouldn't even store in its vaults.
07:59But an important representative collection of unimportant paintings and a source of great spiritual uplift to the passing citizenry.
08:07They never go in.
08:09Ah, but they know it's there.
08:11We spoke to the curator.
08:12They get an average of 11 visitors a day.
08:14Anyway, it's a constituency matter.
08:16It's nothing to do with you or Whitehall.
08:17Why are you so interested in it?
08:19There is a question of principle.
08:20Principle?
08:21You know, what you used to tell me politics was about.
08:24What principle?
08:26The principle of taking money away from the arts and putting it into things like football.
08:31A football club is a commercial operation.
08:33There is no cause for subsidising if it runs out of money.
08:37Why not?
08:38Why not?
08:39Yes, why not?
08:40There's no difference between subsidising football and subsidising art.
08:43Except that a lot more people are interested in football.
08:45Our cultural heritage has to be preserved.
08:48For whom?
08:49For people like you, you mean?
08:52For the educated middle classes.
08:54Why should the rest of the country subsidise the pleasures of the middle class few?
08:58Theatre, opera, ballet.
09:00Subsidising art in this country is nothing more than a middle class rip-off.
09:04Oh, Minister.
09:05How can you say such a thing?
09:07Subsidy is about education.
09:09Preserving the pinnacles of our civilisation.
09:11Or hadn't you noticed?
09:13Don't patronise me, Humphrey.
09:14I believe in education too.
09:15I'm a graduate of the London School of Economics, may I remind you?
09:21Well, I'm glad to learn that even the LSE is not totally opposed to education.
09:26Nothing wrong with subsidising sport. Sport is educational.
09:30We have sex education too. Should we subsidise sex, perhaps?
09:33Oh, could we?
09:38Let us choose what we subsidise.
09:40By the extent of popular demand. There's nothing wrong with that. It's democratic.
09:44But, Minister, this is the thin end of the wedge.
09:46What would happen to the Royal Opera House on such a basis?
09:49The very summit of our cultural achievement.
09:51The Royal Opera House. Very good case in point.
09:53And what do they do?
09:54Mozart, Wagner, Verdi, Puccini.
09:57Germans and Italians.
09:59Not our culture.
10:01Why should we subsidise the culture of the Axis powers?
10:05Our European partners, Minister.
10:08The Royal Opera House gets about nine and a half million pounds of public money every year.
10:13And for what?
10:15The public can't afford thirty-pound seats and if it could, they can't get them.
10:18There aren't enough of them.
10:19The vast majority of the audience consists almost entirely of big business executives,
10:24blocked booked by the banks and the oil companies and the multinationals and people like you.
10:29The Royal Opera House is the establishment of play.
10:32Why should the working man on the terraces foot the bill for the gentry and the stalls?
10:36They could perfectly well afford to pay for their own seats.
10:38Minister, I'm quite frankly appalled.
10:40This is savagery. Barbarism.
10:43That a minister of the Crown should say these things, it's the end of civilisation as we know it.
10:52As well as being a gross distortion of the truth.
10:54Distortion?
10:55Art cannot survive without public subsidy.
10:58Did Shakespeare get a public subsidy?
11:00And what about films?
11:01Films are art. Films are educational.
11:03Why does the establishment ignore the subsidising of films?
11:05Because people like you prefer opera.
11:08We should be subsidising modern, relevant art like films that the man in the street sees and enjoys.
11:13Precisely. They are commercial.
11:17And now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go early tonight.
11:20I can no longer continue with this appalling discussion.
11:22Why? Where are you going?
11:23Nowhere in particular.
11:25Oh, I'm sorry.
11:27We must talk this through.
11:28I can't. I have to dress.
11:30Dress?
11:31Where are you going?
11:32Since you insist, I am going to the Royal Opera House.
11:33Are you really?
11:34Gala night, is it?
11:35Yes, it is, since you asked.
11:36That's a permanent secretary's going to be there.
11:38Some, no doubt.
11:39Off you get, then.
11:40Off you get, then.
11:41I do not make you late for your works outing.
11:42Well, that's what it is, isn't it.
11:43What's on tonight?
11:44The Flying Dutchman.
11:45Hmm.
11:46Another of our European partners.
11:47What's on tonight?
11:48Gala night, is it?
11:50Yes, it is, since you asked.
11:53That's a permanent secretary's going to be there.
11:56Some, no doubt.
11:58Off you get, then.
12:00I don't want to make you late for your works outing.
12:05Well, that's what it is, isn't it?
12:08What's on tonight?
12:09The Flying Dutchman.
12:11Another of our European partners.
12:18Gin tea, Ian.
12:21Oh, thanks.
12:23Two gin teas, please.
12:24A large one.
12:26And some of those smoked salmon sandwiches you have.
12:29Thank you very much.
12:31So, how's the environment?
12:34Bit smoky, isn't it?
12:36What do you mean, mind, about chaos, as usual?
12:40What do you mean the secretary of state is trying to run it?
12:43Oh, no, I could cope with that.
12:45One of the junior ministers is trying to help him.
12:47Oh, Lord.
12:49Who?
12:50Giles Freeman, the Parley sect.
12:53Oh, Lord Hems.
12:55Anyhow, what do you want to talk about?
12:57Well, it's about a planning inquiry.
12:59Rather important we get the right result.
13:01You do know my planning inspectors are absolutely independent.
13:04Oh, yes, absolutely.
13:06No question of undue influence.
13:07No, no, I wouldn't suggest such a thing,
13:08but if it could be a question of giving certain informal guidelines...
13:12Oh, of course.
13:13...putting the inquiry into its proper perspective...
13:15Yes, indeed.
13:16...explaining the background to facilitate an informed appreciation of the issues and implications.
13:21That would be quite proper, of course.
13:24It's splendid.
13:24Ah.
13:25Oh, thank you very much.
13:29Er, right, thank you very much.
13:32Cheers.
13:33So what do you want me to fix?
13:39It's an art gallery in the West Midlands.
13:41Proposed council demolition of a grade two listed building.
13:44Cheers.
13:44Oh, I'm sure we can arrange that.
13:47Only too happy.
13:48London.
13:49We're knocking him down all over the place.
13:50Oh, no, no, no, the proposal has to be rejected.
13:56Really?
13:59Why?
13:59Well, if it goes through, they'll use the proceeds to save the local football club from bankruptcy.
14:06Humphrey's...
14:06I know.
14:09If once you allow the principle of money being taken from the arts and given to ordinary people...
14:15...to enjoy themselves.
14:21I agree.
14:22Where will it end?
14:23Exactly.
14:25Where did this appalling idea come from?
14:27My lord and master.
14:29Oh, yes.
14:29I'm afraid he's getting very het up over the sweaty masses.
14:33You should have stopped him.
14:34What were you thinking of?
14:35Well, it's nothing to do with me.
14:36It's his constituency.
14:38Apparently, he put it to a group of councillors last Saturday and they jumped at it.
14:43I've always said we shouldn't let him out at weekends.
14:45It only causes trouble.
14:49You realise where this could lead?
14:51I mean, today, the Midlands Art Gallery goes to support the local football club.
14:56Tomorrow, the Royal Opera House Grant goes to modernise Wembley Stadium.
15:00My point exactly.
15:01So I can trust you to keep a special eye on the planning inquiry, huh?
15:05Well, I can't influence the inspector, of course.
15:07Oh, of course I am.
15:08But I can put someone on it who's overdue for promotion.
15:11That should help.
15:13You give him a thorough briefing, won't you?
15:15Oh, I'm sure he will see the real issue.
15:19Civilisation versus barbarism.
15:21We can't have arts money going to popular sport.
15:25It's simply subsidising self-indulgence.
15:31Minister, just before we go over today's diary, there is something I would like to suggest to you, if I may be so bold.
15:38Be as bold as you like, Bernard.
15:39Well, I feel, and I say this with great respect, that perhaps you shouldn't get too involved with this football club art gallery affair.
15:46That is bold, isn't it?
15:48It's a constituency matter.
15:50Better for me to be bold than for you to be stumped, Minister.
15:53Very droll.
15:56It's axiomatic in Whitehall that even an MP, let alone a minister, should never take part in a planning inquiry in his own constituency.
16:05Why not?
16:05Because of the finely balanced local issues.
16:08You're bound to offend as many constituents as you please.
16:10You can't win either way.
16:11And it's especially dangerous if there's a quango lurking in the wings.
16:15No, there isn't.
16:16And the issues aren't finely balanced.
16:17Everyone's on the same side.
16:19Except a few wet, long-haired, scruffy art lovers.
16:24Perhaps we'd better take a look at your diary for this morning, Minister.
16:28Fine.
16:2910.15, Secretary General of the Arts Council, the biggest quango of them all.
16:3310.45, the Historic Monuments Association.
16:3611am, the National Trust.
16:3711.15, the Country Landowners Association.
16:4011.30, Council for the Protection of Rural England.
16:43Rural England?
16:43Yes, there's quite a lot of it out there.
16:47Where are all these people coming to see me?
16:49The Corn Exchange Art Gallery, Minister.
16:51It's the Arts and Architecture Mafia.
16:55At 11.45, the Country Crafts and Folklore Council.
16:59Who are they?
17:00The Raffia Mafia.
17:06All very influential people.
17:08They're all coming out of the woodwork.
17:09There'll be letters in the Times, hostile articles in the Sundays.
17:12You'll be accused of vandalism.
17:14And you can be sure they'll orchestrate plenty of opposition in your constituency.
17:18Why did you put all these people in my diary?
17:20I didn't ask you to.
17:20What were you thinking of, Bernard?
17:22I was thinking of Sir Humphrey, Minister.
17:23He asked me to.
17:24No.
17:25I'm going to support this excellent scheme, come what may.
17:30As you will, Minister.
17:32Now, may I just have your approval for this Local Government Allowance's Amendment Number
17:36Two for this year's regulations?
17:37What is it?
17:38It's a statutory instrument to be laid before the House.
17:40As Minister responsible for local government, we need you to authorise that the revised
17:44Paragraph Five of Number Two Regulation 1971 shall come into operation on March the 18th
17:49next, revoking Regulation Seven of the Local Government Allowance's Amendment Regulations
17:541954B.
17:55What the hell does all that mean?
17:59It's all right.
17:59There is an explanatory note, Minister.
18:02These regulations are to make provision for prescribing the amounts of attendance and
18:05financial loss allowances payable to members of local authorities.
18:09Explanatory note.
18:10Regulation Three of the Local Government Allowance's Amendment Regulations 1971, the
18:151971 Regulations, substituted a new regulation for Regulation Three of the 1954 Regulations.
18:21Regulation Three of the Local Government Allowance's Amendment Regulations 1972, the
18:261972 Regulations, further made amends Regulation Three of the 1954 Regulations by increasing the
18:32maximum rates of attendance and financial loss allowances.
18:37Regulation Seven of the 1982 Regulations revoked both Regulations Three and Five of the
18:421971 Regulations, Regulation Five being a regulation revoking earlier spent regulations.
18:48With effect from 1st of April next.
18:52These regulations preserve Regulations Three and Five of the 1971 Regulations by revoking
18:58Regulation Seven of the 1972 Regulations.
19:04And that's an explanatory note?
19:07Well, yes, Minister.
19:08I think that's all quite clear.
19:11Why do I have to listen to this piddling gobbledygook?
19:13Well, I'm sorry, Minister, but I thought it would be an opportune moment for you to ensure
19:19that as a result of your ministerial efforts, local councillors will get more money for
19:23attending council meetings.
19:25Oh, is that what it means?
19:27Yes.
19:28Excellent, Bernard.
19:29It is, as you say, opportune.
19:32And, er, may I make one further small suggestion?
19:36Please.
19:37Be my guest.
19:37Well, Minister, I happen to know that Sir Humphrey had a word with Sir Ian Whitworth last night.
19:42Ian Whitworth?
19:43The Corn Exchange is a listed building, so it's one of his planning inspectors who will
19:47be conducting the inquiry.
19:49Sir Humphrey and Sir Ian will be laying down some informal guidelines for him.
19:53How do you mean informal guidelines?
19:56Well, guidelines are perfectly proper, Minister.
19:58Everyone has guidelines for their work.
20:00I thought these planning inspectors were supposed to be impartial.
20:04Oh, really, Minister?
20:06So they are.
20:07Railway trains are impartial, too.
20:09But if you lay down the lines for them, that's the way they go.
20:15That's not fair.
20:16It's politics, Minister.
20:18Well, what has Sir Humphrey got to do with politics?
20:21He's supposed to be a civil servant.
20:22I'm supposed to be the one in politics.
20:24Yes, Minister, indeed you are.
20:25Oh, how do they intend to put pressure onto this planning inspector?
20:31Well, planning inspectors have their own independent hierarchy.
20:34The only way that they're vulnerable is to find one who is anxious for promotion.
20:38And how are planning inspectors chosen for an inquiry?
20:42Could a minister interfere?
20:44Ministers are our lords and masters.
20:47Oh.
20:48Well, the party's second at the Department of the Environment happens to be a very old friend
20:52of mine, Giles Freeman.
20:53Well, if Mr. Freeman could intervene and arrange for an inspector who didn't care about promotion
20:58because, for instance, he's about to retire,
21:01he would probably bring in his verdict in the interest of the community
21:04rather than the department.
21:06Good.
21:07Get me Giles on the phone, would you?
21:09His private secretary says he can meet you in the lobby after the vote this evening.
21:17Well, Ed, have you ever thought of going into politics?
21:21Oh, no, minister.
21:24Why not?
21:25I once looked it up in my thesaurus.
21:28What did it say?
21:29Manipulation, intrigue, wire-pulling, evasion, graft, rabble-rousing.
21:33I'd prefer to leave that to our lords and masters.
21:37I don't think I have the necessary qualities.
21:39Don't underestimate yourself.
21:45And now it seems that Hacker has got at Giles Freeman, the powerly sec in my department,
21:49who has personally insisted on appointing a different planning inspector from the one I chose.
21:54One who could be sympathetic to Hacker's scheme.
21:57This is rather worrying.
21:58Worrying?
21:59It's desperate.
22:01There's now every danger that the planning inspector could make up his own mind.
22:07Seems there's likely to be huge local support for this scheme.
22:11But how can I help?
22:13Well, I hope that you might have some ideas, Arnold.
22:17Wait a minute.
22:18I've just thought of something.
22:21When the departmental reorganisation occurs next week,
22:26you could make Hacker cabinet minister responsible for the arts.
22:33But isn't he a complete philistine?
22:35Yes.
22:37But then the industry secretary is the idlest man in town.
22:46The education secretary's illiterate.
22:48The employment secretary is unemployable.
22:55Quite.
22:56That's good thinking, Humphrey.
22:58A Hacker can hardly start out as cabinet minister responsible for the arts by closing down an art gallery.
23:04Exactly.
23:05But it's not a cabinet reshuffle, is it?
23:07No, I simply meant reorganise.
23:09Move the arts and telecommunications into the purview of the DAA.
23:16Arts and television together?
23:17What have they got to do with each other?
23:22They're complete opposites.
23:24But wouldn't we be creating a monster department?
23:28You've already got local government as well.
23:30Well, arts and local government go rather well together, don't you think?
23:34How so?
23:34Well, the art of jiggery-pokery.
23:40And you only just thought of this here and now, did you?
23:44Yes, why?
23:47Bit of an artist yourself, aren't you?
23:51Arnold.
23:53Anything more, Bernard?
23:55Only that Sir Humphrey's on his way over, minister.
23:56He wants an urgent word before you start this meeting with the councillors about Aston Wanderers.
24:00Doesn't he know I'm unshakable on that?
24:03It's no good.
24:03Sir Humphrey, my mind is made up.
24:05Even so, minister, I thought you might be interested in a new development, the government reshuffle.
24:10I thought you said it was just a reorganisation.
24:11Not just a reorganisation.
24:14A reorganisation.
24:16I'm delighted to be able to tell you that it has brought us, brought you, new honour and importance.
24:24In addition to your existing responsibilities, you will be cabinet minister responsible for the arts.
24:34Eh?
24:36I say, that's rather good, isn't it?
24:39Hey, hold on.
24:40How do you know about this before I do?
24:41Oh, I just happened to be with the cabinet secretary shortly after the decision was taken.
24:46I see.
24:48Cabinet minister with a responsibility for the arts, eh?
24:50Yes.
24:51Oh, well, well.
24:52Yes, indeed.
24:53Well, thank you for letting me know, Humphrey.
24:55Anything more?
24:55I'm just about to start a meeting.
24:57Oh, the meeting, yes.
24:58Now, minister, I do hope that you've considered the implications of your new appointment on the subject you're discussing.
25:05Rescuing a football club?
25:06No, no, no, no, no.
25:07I was wondering how it would look if, as cabinet minister responsible for the arts,
25:12your first action would be to knock down an art gallery.
25:18LAUGHTER
25:19It's quite a decent little art gallery, really.
25:33LAUGHTER
25:33Exactly.
25:36Interesting building.
25:37Great. Two listed.
25:38Minister, I do think you ought to start this meeting.
25:40oh my god what have i got to say councillors wilkinson noble and greensmith brian good to
25:49see you please drag this is humphrey appleby my permanent secretary you mean he's only a temp
25:57well it's going great jim we've got all the political parties with us now and the county
26:06council all we need is your department's approval for using the proceeds from the sale of the art
26:11gallery is allowed to the club well i'm i'm afraid there's a snag you said there weren't any well there
26:19is what well it's just that what it appears well it it seems well i should say it it has a emerge
26:30i think sir humphrey could explain this better than i could
26:34it can't be done gentlemen the art gallery is it's a trust in terms of the original bequest or
26:46something that's right it's trust we should just have to knock something else down school church
26:52hospital bound to be something i can't believe this you mean i've got to go and tell the people back
26:59home that you've gone back on your word i mean it was your own idea it's not me it's the law well
27:05why didn't you find out till now well let me be absolutely frank with you
27:22the truth is that it would be possible to push this through just possible but it would take an
27:30awful long time okay take the time we've spent enough but the trouble is you see something else
27:35would have to go by the board and the thing that's taking my time at the moment is forcing through this
27:41increase in councillors expenses and attendance allowances and you see i can't put my personal
27:49weight behind both schemes
27:50i suppose i could forget about the increased allowances for councillors
27:57concentrate on the legal obstacles to the sale of the art gallery
28:01tricky things legal obstacles
28:04and this is a particularly tricky one
28:08and at the end of the day you might still fail
28:11every possibility
28:13well if that's the way it is
28:16there is a chance that we might want to close edge hill road primary at the end of the year
28:21that site would fetch a couple of million give or take
28:24well there it is then no ill feelings do you
28:29and you'll explain locally that we can't overcome the legal obstacles
28:33of course we will uh carry on with the good work aye
28:43oh minister a work of art
28:50and now if you'll excuse me i have to go and dress
28:53another works outing
28:54humphrey yes cabinet minister responsible for the arts
29:08could i come too
29:11yes minister
29:24thank you
29:38thank you
29:41thank you
29:43thank you
29:45thank you
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