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00:00Man, that's one of those ones where you're watching football any game
00:04and you see something happen and you see the other team immediately wave to the,
00:09like, get out here, get out here.
00:11That's when you know it's bad.
00:13In real time.
00:14Like, I didn't see until I saw the one replay and I was like, okay, never again.
00:19No, no more replays.
00:21But when you see in real time the other team, like, pointing to their trainer
00:25and saying.
00:26Yeah, no, they know.
00:27They know.
00:27They know.
00:28They know.
00:28Yeah.
00:28So, anyway, yeah, Dibs is here.
00:32If you're just joining us, if you heard me and Goo do a segment,
00:36Dibs had a flat tire.
00:37We're all good now.
00:38We're here.
00:39Guru and Steini are on their way home and we're here.
00:42Yep.
00:43And Kyle Shanahan is going to be here in about 10, 15 minutes or so.
00:46He'll have his Monday conference call.
00:48I'm sure it will be a barrel of laughs.
00:51And we'll let you know what he has to say, let you hear a chunk of these answers,
00:55which increasingly are just too, too much.
00:59Too much about injury.
01:00And so, 888-957-9570.
01:03I'm especially interested today in the emotional experience of watching Fred Warner go down
01:08because that was the first thought for me today, which is this actually, this hit different
01:15than the other injuries.
01:16I go into a football season knowing, like, people are going to get dinged up.
01:20You've got to try to avoid the season enders.
01:23But you're probably not going to.
01:25Like, there's going to be some season enders.
01:28And so, every fan has to go through that whole, like, okay, that sucked, but now let's, like an anthill,
01:36let's start rebuilding this thing and let's put the puzzle pieces together.
01:40Maybe they can go acquire Trey Hendrickson and they can still have a pass rush and Kittle's going to be back soon
01:46and Purdy's going to be back soon and, all right, we can keep this thing together.
01:51For me, this one hit different.
01:54And you will not hear me do some sort of, like, mail it in, give up, go Warriors, the season's over.
02:01That's not the way it works.
02:03There's still all kinds of value and intrigue that can come from this,
02:08and it still, I believe, could end up even in the playoffs.
02:12I don't think Super Bowl is very realistic.
02:16I don't even know how realistic it was to begin with.
02:19But this one hit different.
02:21Speaking of your tire, that was the word yesterday.
02:26That was completely and totally deflating to the point where I just wasn't watching the game the same way anymore.
02:36And the outcome didn't matter as much anymore.
02:40And even the way I processed what I'm seeing didn't feel the same anymore.
02:46You know, Baker Mayfield hits balls over the top, and guys are doing flips in the end zone,
02:51and pirate ships are shooting stuff into the sky.
02:54And I'm like, right, right, there's no Bosa and Warner.
03:00Felt like Billy Madison.
03:01Like, you're out here playing dodgeball with kindergartners, dude.
03:03A little bit.
03:04So I'm not mad at them for celebrating.
03:06You can only play who you're playing.
03:08But I just watched it differently.
03:11That's it.
03:11That's the only way I can say it.
03:12I guess I did a little bit the same.
03:15But, you know, I also look at the game, and I watched it again last night.
03:18And you look at the game, and you realize that they still had many, many chances to go out there and win that game.
03:24You had Baker Mayfield on a third and 14, and you had him sacked.
03:28And you're down by one, and it's late third.
03:31And you've got Baker basically almost on the ground.
03:34And if you put him on the ground, you get the ball back.
03:37And now you're kind of in control of that game.
03:39So I don't think about the rest of the year and think, oh, what was us?
03:42We're not going to win again.
03:43And, you know, 4-13, whatever.
03:47Even looking at yesterday, yeah, it was terrible.
03:49It was tragic.
03:50And Fred, you know, one of our favorites, he's out, and he's out for the year and the rest of it.
03:54But at the same time, you had enough plays that you were able to make or almost make to still win that game on the road.
04:02Which is impressive.
04:03Yeah.
04:04So, but I guess, let me, I'm going to keep trying to describe this.
04:08Like, yeah, it wasn't defeatist, oh, the season's over, oh, they can't achieve anything.
04:15It wasn't any of those.
04:17It just felt different.
04:19Yeah.
04:19It's so, just soul-sucking.
04:24The injuries always are, but not Fred.
04:28And I guess what has come to light is that I need to give you a new answer to a debate that we have had before.
04:37Which is, which is the most important 49er to keep healthy?
04:41Or which is the Niner you'd least like to lose?
04:44You know, you and I had a debate, I think, a year or two ago.
04:47Yep.
04:47It was two years ago.
04:49It's like, you were kind of like McCaffrey, but maybe even Trent Williams.
04:53Oh, yeah.
04:53And I'm like, it's always the quarterback.
04:54It's the quarterback, the quarterback, period.
04:56It's the quarterback.
04:57And at that time, 49er backup quarterback situation, I guess, maybe not as healthy as we have found it to be this particular year.
05:05So, that's part of it, is this year is different than two years ago.
05:09Other part of it is, is that Brock Purdy is not gone for the season.
05:13But I figured, like, what a perfect time to really get the real answer to that question.
05:19Because we don't have to imagine it.
05:22You lost Christian McCaffrey for all of last year, pretty much.
05:25And then this year, in different ways and shapes and forms, you have lost Purdy, you have lost Kittle, you have lost Pearsall, you have lost Nick Bosa, and you have lost Fred Warner.
05:37And there's no question to me which one hurts the most.
05:40It's not even close.
05:42Yeah.
05:43It's Fred Warner.
05:43Well, I think it's close with Nick Bosa, because, again, yesterday you had almost no pass rush.
05:50Again, yes.
05:50Yeah, and your secondary is getting absolutely crushed, and it's because Baker Mayfield's got all kinds of time, and he's not feeling any pressure in that game.
05:59And, you know, we could talk about Grandy's grades tomorrow, and I saw his grades, and I have my own grades, and we can get into it.
06:05But the secondary yesterday was, to me, patently really bad, and part of it was no Fred Warner.
06:12And the one was the touchdown in the first half where you blitzed Stout, and it was the roughing the passer.
06:21And I heard you a little bit on the crossover as I was driving on my spare coming in, and, you know, whether or not you thought that was a penalty or not, it doesn't really matter.
06:29It didn't hurt him.
06:30But, you know, Huff drops into coverage, but on the back end, there was nobody.
06:34And Diomedo Lenore either didn't go the right way or the safety didn't cover on the right side.
06:40That was the Fred Warner moment for me where, you know, Fred's going to be able to, in the huddle, go, all right, you know, Stout's coming here.
06:47Huff, you're dropping there.
06:48You make sure that you are over here and cover the deep throw because there was no one.
06:53That was a wide-open throw and a walk-in touchdown.
06:56And that, to me, was the moment where, yeah, you miss Fred, like, actually making plays, tackling and all the rest of it.
07:03But on that play where you had a complete blown coverage, that felt to me like something that Fred would have been in the huddle, you know, kind of pointing out with the green dot helmet.
07:13I would think.
07:14Yeah.
07:14I would absolutely think.
07:16I think I saw some stat that since Nick Bosa went down, I think the 49ers have hit the quarterback three times.
07:21Is that right, Randy?
07:23Is that right?
07:23Three times.
07:24Sounds about right.
07:25In three and a half games.
07:26Right.
07:26Yeah.
07:27So, like.
07:27And one of them was late, Upton Stout.
07:30And, you know.
07:30Your opinion.
07:31Does hitting Baker Mayfield when he eventually broke free and got 15 yards on third and 14, does that count as a quarterback hit?
07:37I don't think so.
07:38I actually don't even know.
07:39There's multiple hits on that one.
07:40Yeah.
07:41Didn't matter, though.
07:42Huff had a running back, though.
07:43Huff had his arms on him, though.
07:45As a.
07:46Oh, multiple guys had.
07:48Right.
07:48I mean, that would be a hit.
07:49Like, they hit him as a quarterback, and then he shook it off, and then he broke, like, four more tackles and dove and, you know.
07:57I don't know exactly how the stat works.
07:59I just know that they're not getting home.
08:02They're not getting home.
08:04And it's still a miracle that they're 4-2.
08:07You know what I mean?
08:08What do the Niners do well?
08:10Like, my first answer right now is they kick the field goals.
08:14Well, they throw the ball.
08:15Their passing offense has been good.
08:17Yeah, it's been very good.
08:18But their pass protection, not necessarily great.
08:21Like, when Mac Jones was able to deliver the ball yesterday, I was very impressed by how he delivered the ball.
08:28His ball security in the pocket, similar to what happened to Brock at the end of the Jacksonville game, that is, you know, he got away with one.
08:36There was a fumble where, boy, his knee was, like, hit the blade of grass first.
08:39Like, his ball security was not great.
08:43He's immobile to start with.
08:44He's even more immobile now.
08:46I don't blame him for any of this.
08:48But that's a part of the pass game that makes things very, very difficult.
08:54But his delivery, the accuracy and strength of his delivery, I thought was phenomenal yesterday.
09:00Yeah, mostly good.
09:01It was great.
09:02The first pick was not on him.
09:03No.
09:03That was a Kendrick Bourne.
09:04Kendrick misread it and went the wrong way.
09:07Yeah, exactly.
09:07And I think Kyle called it a site adjustment where you're supposed to see where the corner is and then, you know, make the adjustment and then break over and be in a spot where Mac thought he would be.
09:18The second pick, I think, was on Mac.
09:20That was just a bad throw.
09:21And, you know, what we talked about in our show thread about Keyshawn Johnson and, you know, the fourth down play call and, like, what you're supposed to do on fourth down.
09:31I mean, come on, you're down by eight late in the game.
09:34It's fourth down and six.
09:35You're not going to kick a field goal to cut it to five and all the rest of it.
09:39But if we want to get deeper into the weeds about what's wrong versus what's right, Dominic Pune, and I can't wait to ask John Feliciano this about tomorrow, do offensive linemen go into a slump?
09:53Because it looks to me like he's slumping.
09:54I think he's hurt.
09:56I mean, he got hurt.
09:58But even beyond that, like, false starts.
09:59Right, but I mean, like, little things.
10:01If your knees hurt, it's going to mess with everything.
10:03But, yeah, it's just a critical, critical error that he made in a huge moment yesterday.
10:09There were two plays that killed the Niners and any chance of stealing the game.
10:14That was one of them.
10:15And the other one was Baker Mayfield on third and 14.
10:18Like, those two plays need to be made.
10:20And they weren't.
10:21And there's youth all over the field.
10:23It's funny, when you just mentioned Grandy's grades and we'll do it tomorrow and you already saw the digital part of it online.
10:28Yep.
10:29Like, you want to know what went through my head?
10:31I'd love to know.
10:32I'll be ready for tomorrow.
10:34Me too.
10:34But right now, I just want to go credit, no credit on all seven of the answers.
10:40I don't want, like, how am I giving anybody an F when you don't have Fred Warner?
10:46Oh.
10:47That's just, and I, oh, that's soft.
10:50Whatever.
10:51Does the O-line not have Fred Warner?
10:53No, but the O-line has no George Kittle.
10:57And the O-line has now an immobile quarterback.
11:00And the O-line has whatever they've got.
11:03Like, they've got receivers going the wrong way.
11:06Does Sky Moore catching a punt at the two not have Fred Warner twice?
11:10Fine.
11:11What was it, the four?
11:12Sky Moore gets an F.
11:13Yes.
11:14Sky Moore gets an F.
11:15I mean, we can get into it.
11:16Special teams can't get an F, though, because Eddie De Niro is the best kicker I've ever
11:20seen in my life, and the league is moronic for having him available.
11:23I don't know what the hell's going on.
11:25Yeah.
11:25This guy's incredible.
11:27So, and.
11:27We'll discuss.
11:28No, and I can't wait to discuss it, because whatever happened happened, and you go to the
11:33locker room, 12-minute halftime, I'm sure there was additional discussion, and then
11:37the first play out of the half.
11:39Yep.
11:40False start.
11:40False start.
11:41Number 15.
11:42Number 15.
11:42Offense, and then you get in the red zone, and number 15 commits a, honestly, a reckless,
11:50reckless offensive pass interference.
11:53He's frustrated.
11:54Right.
11:55He's frustrated.
11:55That's not an excuse, but, you know, like, I don't know, to comp this, because once again,
12:03throughout the last couple years, the one thing I've been most impressed with, with the
12:07Kaminga situation, for example, is just how he's sort of handled this mentally.
12:12Like, there's some real, real strength there.
12:15The concern I had, and to a degree I guess still have, is watching that thing play out
12:21and not having him act like Juwan acted yesterday.
12:26Because Juwan is in incredible pain, and Juwan is pissed off about what happened all offseason
12:34long.
12:34That's not an excuse.
12:35You can't do that.
12:37If you bring it to the field, it makes it even worse.
12:39And in my mind, he did.
12:41But that's what I think that this is all about.
12:44It's those two things.
12:46And you know this as any human being does.
12:48When you're ticked off about multiple things, it takes the third person very little to trigger
12:56you, and you will fire on them.
12:58There's not a person listening to us who hasn't yelled at someone, and then 10 minutes later
13:03going, oh God, that's not who I'm mad at at all.
13:06I'm sorry.
13:07I hope you say you're sorry.
13:09We've all done that.
13:11That's what I think Juwan did yesterday.
13:13That's what he did yesterday.
13:15You're not mad at the play calling.
13:19You're mad because the free receiver that the Niners found next to the couch on the corner
13:23of the street is going for $1.50 a game, you're in terrible pain, you're a free agent
13:28at the end of the year, you didn't get paid, your completely injured teammate is making
13:33$30 million a year, you're mad.
13:36I get it.
13:36I would be too.
13:37And I also think he's mad at the fact that Demarcus Robinson comes back, and on that first
13:44down play, going down for the field goal drive, he drops it.
13:47And that's when the first shouting match started.
13:49And you mentioned this during the crossover.
13:51I caught a little piece of it, and you actually can see it on the broadcast.
13:55You can see Kyle Shanahan spin toward Juwan, and then they cut back to the play, and then
14:01you can see the wide view, and he's still going after Juwan.
14:05I can't imagine that Juwan didn't say something like, huh, I wouldn't have dropped that.
14:10Kyle, I would have caught that.
14:12I don't know about that.
14:14One thing I know is even when football players, all athletes, when they're ticked, they don't
14:20usually turn on the teammates.
14:22Even the wide receivers?
14:24I don't know, man.
14:25I mean, Juwan's never made a mistake.
14:27He's never dropped a ball.
14:28No, but why else would he be mad at that moment?
14:30Just because...
14:31He's not playing.
14:32No, exactly.
14:33And he's got a lot of money.
14:34The money that they gave him this offseason is tied up in incentives.
14:38Right.
14:39Newsflash.
14:39He ain't going to get it.
14:40Well, and Robinson's out there dropping easy passes, pitch and catch.
14:44But you're out there, false starting, dude.
14:46That was later, but yeah.
14:47And you're in pain.
14:48You're not your best.
14:49Five broken ribs?
14:50Yeah.
14:51I mean, are you kidding me?
14:52What do you want the team to do?
14:53Like, dude, one thing we do not have time for right now is people, like, keeping track
15:00of other people's money and targets and all.
15:02We don't have time for that right now.
15:03We're trying to field a team, for God's sakes.
15:06So, like, I get it.
15:07If it was about that, and I'm Kyle Shanahan, yeah, I would have wheeled and fired on that
15:12kid, too.
15:14You kidding me?
15:15I'm trying to call plays, and you're over here in my ear about your incentives or whatever?
15:20Like, I would have called my security also.
15:22Get this guy out of here.
15:24I'm trying to call the next play.
15:26Like, what are we doing?
15:28What are we doing?
15:30And Fred Warner is going for the year, like, Kyle's not frustrated?
15:35Everybody's not on edge on that sideline?
15:37Oh, they're all frustrated.
15:38Everybody's out of their mind.
15:39But Juwan's playing through ankle, shoulder, and five broken ribs, and I can't get a target?
15:45I can't get a target?
15:46Yeah.
15:47I'm out here fighting for my life?
15:48And, you know.
15:49You know what, Kyle, I hope, and I bet he didn't, but you know what he could have said?
15:54You know what?
15:55There was actually an opportunity for you to build some rapport with Mac Jones this year.
15:59When was that?
16:00I wonder, Mark.
16:01Oh, right.
16:02Was it August?
16:03How's your calf?
16:03I know it's tricky.
16:07Anyway, let's talk to some of you.
16:09I would really want to get into the emotions of all of this.
16:13DePesh in Danville.
16:14Hey, DePesh, what's going on?
16:16Thank you for calling.
16:17Hey, guys.
16:19Enjoying the show.
16:20Thanks.
16:20I completely agree.
16:22The comment you made, Fred Warner going down feels differently.
16:27More than Bosa, I think he was the connective tissue or the glue of the defensive unit.
16:35He was sort of the blanket, the warm blanket.
16:37When things go down, you look at it.
16:39Oh, there's the warm blanket.
16:40We have Fred Warner.
16:41I have a question for you guys and also for the rest of the guests, and I'm curious.
16:47With Bosa down and Fred down now, who is the captain of the defensive unit on the field?
16:54We know there's a captain of the defensive unit who is Robert Sala on the sides, but who's
17:00the captain who's going to take this defensive unit and play the remaining games of the season
17:06to some level of competency?
17:09So I'm curious about your comments, and I'll take your comments on the radio.
17:12Thanks, guys.
17:13Keep up the good work.
17:14Well played.
17:14Thank you, DePesh.
17:15DePesh is an experienced listener.
17:17Yep, veteran.
17:17He's heard a Dan Dibley show before.
17:20I think Diamant or Lenore would be the captain, but I don't know if you have...
17:24Functionally, or do you mean actually, like, functionally?
17:27Well, functionally, it'd be who has the green dot.
17:30And for me, the green dot would be a linebacker, somebody who's, you know...
17:33I think Dee Winters, they even said on the broadcast, Dee took over the Fred role.
17:37Okay.
17:38So I think...
17:38So the green dot, I would imagine.
17:40I guess.
17:41I mean, you'd want your linebacker to be the one to get the call in and to be able to,
17:45like, you know, control all three levels.
17:47Diamant or Lenore, though, I think emotionally, it becomes the leader of the defense.
17:51And other than that, like, up front, you've got rookie, rookie, second-year guy,
17:57and new guy, Huff, coming from the outside.
17:59I don't know who else would be in that mode, you know?
18:01I don't...
18:02I hear you.
18:02He is the statesman of the defense from the standpoint of now he is your highest-paid,
18:09healthy defender.
18:11That's true.
18:13But...
18:13And I hate painting with a broad brush.
18:15I'm not making a defensive back.
18:17I'm not making a cornerback the emotional, spiritual leader of my defense.
18:22Because cornerbacks are largely wide receivers who can't catch.
18:26Yep.
18:26And they're just...
18:27They're built the way they need to be built.
18:30So I'm not going to criticize them for this, but...
18:32And this doesn't apply to all of them, but they're built the way they need to be built.
18:37And it is a very narcissistic, selfish island that wide receivers and cornerbacks play on.
18:45And so you have to, in many ways, kind of be focused on you.
18:51You have to be focused on you.
18:52Because your job is to get stuck on an island and play one-on-one with somebody and stop them.
18:59Stop them from what they're doing.
19:00And that's why the wide receivers, we see so many of them around the league,
19:05sort of bucking and getting in quarterbacks' faces and causing whatever.
19:10Like, that's...
19:11It's sort of the nature of the position.
19:13It's a pretty position, and it's a selfish position.
19:18Linebacker is not built the same way.
19:20Interior defensive line is not built the same way.
19:23But, yeah, I don't know...
19:24Like, who would it be then?
19:26I don't know.
19:26Yeah.
19:26I mean, I don't know if Dee Winters is ready for that.
19:29It's a phenomenal play.
19:30He's having a great year.
19:30Yep.
19:31So, I guess the best answer I got right now...
19:34I mean, there's no other real candidate, right?
19:37I mean, you can go to your tour girl Smatos, who is also hurt, and you go to Bryce Huff,
19:42who's brand new, and Mikel Williams is a rookie, and you've got Dee Winters, and other than
19:47that, in the front seven, you have nobody.
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