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00:00Good evening and thank you for joining us. I'm Trey Gowdy and it's Sunday night in America.
00:07And the Middle East region is quieter today than it has been in two decades. The amount of time
00:13that I have to spend on crisis and conflict in the Middle East today compared to any of my
00:17predecessors going back to 9-11 is significantly reduced. That was Joe Biden's National Security
00:26Advisor on September 29, 2023, just eight days before the Jewish state suffered its worst single
00:34day loss since the Holocaust. Perhaps Jake Sullivan should have spent more time focused on Hamas
00:42and less time congratulating himself. Sullivan and Biden are gone. War enveloped the region. But what
00:50seemed impossible is now on the cusp of being done. Joining us is Senate Budget Chair and a close
00:57ally of President Trump, Chairman Lindsey Graham. Welcome, Mr. Chairman. So how did President Trump
01:03get us here on the doorstep of regional peace barely two years after Hamas killed over a thousand
01:12Israelis? Well, there are two things happened. The Israeli defense forces have obliterated Hamas as
01:20we know it. Militarily, they've been hurt badly. They're up against the wall in a box. So you have
01:26to credit the IDF for weakening Hamas. But the lion's share of their credit goes to President Trump. I said
01:33during the campaign of 2024, Trey, everybody wants Trump policies. I like his policies, but I don't like
01:38the way he talks. I said back then, and I'll say it now, there are no Trump policies without Donald
01:44Trump. The reason we're about to have the hostages released, I hope and pray, is a couple things.
01:50Iran is afraid of Trump. The Arabs and the Israelis trust Trump. That's why we're about to have these
01:56hostages released. But I want to say something very clear. Jake Sullivan was bragging about the state of
02:03the Mideast. And eight days later, we had October the 7th. We're a long way from achieving peace. I hope
02:11we get the hostages out tomorrow. But I'm waiting to see if Hamas really does disarm. I'm not so sure
02:16they will. Who takes over? We can't have Hamas leading Gaza ever again. And you will never have
02:23peace as long as Hezbollah is alive as a terrorist organization in Lebanon. So what's the impediments to
02:29peace down the road? Iran's proxies like the Houthis and the Hezbollah, and whether or not
02:34Hamas will actually live up to his part of the agreement. But as to President Trump, he is the
02:40man above all leaders in the world. Literally, no one in the world could have done this but President
02:45Donald J. Trump. And to his team, Whitcoff and Jared and the whole team, well done.
02:51All right, Chairman, you put your finger on it. Peace is fragile. What should we be looking for in the
02:57days and weeks to come to ensure that this agreement actually holds?
03:04This is a really good question. Put Hamas disarmament on a timetable. Don't give them
03:10forever to play around and rearm. As Israel pulls back, I'm afraid they will rearm. So put them on
03:17a timetable. Give them a date certain to disarm, to make that decision, and have a system that would
03:24verify they did disarm. When it comes to the future of Gaza, they have to completely be
03:29driven out of the picture, written out of the picture, just like the Nazis were after World War
03:35II. And if you don't deal with Hezbollah, Iran will have Hezbollah do what Hamas did. As we get
03:41close to peace, talking about Saudi Arabia recognizing Israel maybe this time next year, if Hezbollah is not
03:48dealt with and disarmed themselves, they will rise up and undercut peace. So you got to get rid of
03:55all the proxies of Iran, Hezbollah and the Houthis. And here's the good news. The people of Lebanon have
04:01asked for the Hezbollah to give up their weapons to disarm. So that's major progress. So there's a
04:08possibility next year that all this can fall into place. But it's got to start with Hamas honoring the
04:15commitment they made, which is to disarm and give up control of Gaza. Time will tell.
04:22All right. Before I let you go, I got to switch gears and ask you about something else. Here's
04:27a snapshot of a recent Judiciary Committee hearing, and then I'll ask you about it on the other side.
04:33You're the attorney general. This will be your decision.
04:37Will you support- You don't have to tell me what is my decision and what is not my decision.
04:40I said you could talk to Director Patel. You think you've got a gotcha with Tom
04:45Holm and our border czar, who's been out there fighting for our country since Donald Trump took
04:51office. I'm trying to ask a question. Regular order, please. Will you support that request?
04:55Will you apologize to Donald Trump for trying to impeach him after you now know that Joe Biden
05:01tried to cover up Hunter Biden's involvement with Ukraine? The Senate sounds like the House
05:09used to sound. All right. Your phone records were accessed by special counsel Jack Smith.
05:14I got to believe the Senate is going to bring Merrick Garland, Chris Wray and Jack Smith in
05:20because I want them to testify on what crime exactly they were investigating. What factual predicate
05:26existed to access your toll records. I mean, you're, you talk to a lot of important people
05:31on the phone. Who is Jack Smith to analyze who you talked to and for how long?
05:37Well, this is a really important moment in our constitutional democracy.
05:42In September of 2023, 30 months after January the 6th, apparently Jack Smith through FBI agents
05:51went to the phone company that I use and seven other senators to monitor who we called, where we
05:58were located and how long we talked to them. Now, in January of 2021, I was the chairman of the Senate
06:06Judiciary Committee, trying to find out whether to certify the election and what to investigate,
06:12if anything. So the idea that the executive branch would try to monitor my phone calls doing my job
06:21as a United States senator obliterates separation of powers. And to this idea about people shouldn't
06:27be looking at Comey, that's crazy. Five years ago, I went on television right after he testified.
06:34I don't believe him when he says he doesn't remember the intel community told him that they had evidence
06:40that Hillary Clinton was trying to cook this up to suggest that Trump was an agent of Russia,
06:45that it was coming from the Clinton campaign. And we all know the Steele dossier
06:50was a piece of garbage. And he said, Comey, if I knew then what I know now, I'd have never used it,
06:55get a warner against Carter Page. I believe he did know then what he did now. So I'm doing my job.
07:01These other senators were doing their job. I'm going to do everything under my power,
07:05find out what happened. And if it takes a lawsuit to prevent this in the future, I will bring it.
07:10It's a chilling moment when a rogue special counsel, who's politicized to the core,
07:17was trying to find out who I was calling and why I was calling them as a sitting United States
07:23senator doing my job. We're not going to let this go. And as to Jack Smith, he tried to release his
07:29brief accusing Trump of a crime 10 days before the election, violating every protocol of the
07:36Department of Justice. His investigation, I think, was political. Within three days of Trump announcing,
07:42I'm running for president in 2022 for the 2024 cycle. And within three days, charges were brought.
07:49And within eight months, he was charged with 91 felony counts in four jurisdictions after he said,
07:57I'm running for president. This, in my view, was an effort to destroy his chances to get elected in
08:022024. And when Jack Smith was looking at my phone records and that of other senators,
08:07I think he broke the law and I think he needs to be held accountable. And I think those who
08:13brought this about need to pay and pay big.
08:17Well, I was going to say, I'm going to remind you to be mad when he comes before your committee,
08:21but I think you're mad enough that I don't have to remind you. You're going to do it anyway.
08:26Lindsey Graham from the great state of South Carolina. Thank you for joining us.
08:29I'm pretty pissed about this.
08:30It's outrageous, actually.
08:32Yeah, it's outrageous. It is. Thank you.
08:36Last night, there was celebration in the square dedicated to hostages in Tel Aviv. The Israeli
08:41crowd gave the lion's share of the credit to Donald Trump.
08:46It's a big deal for the country and just a great credit to the president and the entire team.
08:50I think that it shows the power of President Trump's non-conventional leadership style.
08:55And that's why we're here. I think the whole country, we should just be proud. We should be proud
08:59of this negotiating team. We should be proud of our country because these hostages are going to live
09:04their lives thanks to what the United States of America did.
09:10President Trump's agreement is historic, but peace can be fragile. There are many stages and
09:15hurdles left to clear. Perhaps the greatest impediment is those who profit from conflict.
09:20Blessed are the peacemakers, but you can get really rich and powerful using war.
09:25For this plan to come to fruition, the shooting must stop. Innocent hostages will be exchanged for
09:32guilty prisoners. Israel will withdraw the IDF and humanitarian aid can then flow into a region
09:38that desperately needs it. While the party of FDR and Barack Obama is holding no kings rallies,
09:46Donald Trump will be likely welcomed as one in Israel tomorrow. Someone famous once said something
09:52about being honored everywhere except your own home country. I think that man was from Israel too.
09:59Joining us is former Ambassador-at-Large Nathan Sales and former National Security
10:03Council Chief of Staff Fred Flights. Welcome to you both, gentlemen. Ambassador Sales,
10:08hostages who never should have been taken are set to be returned, but Israel also has to turn over
10:14prisoners. So once again, it looks like Israel is paying a very steep price for peace.
10:21That's right, Trey. And this is something we've seen time and time again over Israel's history. Israel
10:29cares so much about innocent human life that it will go to the ends of the earth to get its people back.
10:35And that reflects a core fundamental value of the Israeli state and the Israeli people. But as you
10:42suggest, there are some downsides to this. We have to make sure that of the convicted murderers and
10:48terrorists who are going to be released, you know, there's a chance that the next Yaya Sinwar could
10:53be in that bunch because that's what happened years ago. The mastermind of the October 7th attacks
10:58was himself released in one of these prisoner swaps. So Israel has to maintain a security presence
11:04around the perimeter of Gaza to make sure that the next leaders of Hamas aren't able to pull off
11:09another massacre. Mr. Flying, Steve Whitcoff tried his best to share the credit with Benjamin Netanyahu,
11:17but the Israeli crowd seemed, shall we say, tepid in their reaction. Why the disparate reactions to
11:26President Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel? We'll listen to it and then I'll get you to react to it.
11:32To Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
11:51Okay. Okay. Fred, I've been on the receiving end of some of those boos before. I mean, what do you
11:58attribute that to? I mean, they were booing Benjamin Netanyahu. Well, we have a robust democracy in
12:07Israel and politics is as brutal in that country as it is here. But look, Netanyahu and Trump deserve
12:14enormous credit for this deal. And I'm excited because according to Israeli media, the deal is
12:20still on track. 20 hostage will be released in groups of 10 at 1 and 2 a.m. Eastern time. And we could
12:28never have seen an agreement like this without Trump's leadership. The idea that there'd be
12:32a ceasefire, a partial Israeli withdrawal, and the release of all the hostages at the beginning of
12:38an agreement is really unprecedented. And it's because of Trump's dogged determination to stop
12:44this war, to stop the killing. Well, you anticipated my next question for both of you. So I'll let Nathan,
12:51you go first, and then, Fred, you go. What can go wrong between now and the time the plan
12:57is fully implemented? Let's assume that everything stays on track tonight. But what worries you the
13:03most in the days and weeks to come? Nathan, we'll start with you and then you, Fred.
13:09It's a great question, Trey. What worries me is that Hamas is going to do what Hamas always does,
13:14and that's violate the terms of the agreements they sign and plot to kill Israelis and plot to kill
13:20Jews. Now, fortunately, the deal that President Trump negotiated gives Israel the power to stop
13:26that from happening. Israel has to withdraw, but only insofar as Hamas lives up to its obligations.
13:33Hamas has to disarm under the deal. Hamas has to hand over governance to a neutral committee
13:40under the deal. And if it fails to do so, Israel is within its rights to say, well,
13:45you violated the deal. We're not going to withdraw completely. We need to stay
13:49on the ground, a minimal troop presence to keep pressure on Hamas.
13:54What worries you, Fred? Well, I agree with Ambassador Sales says,
13:58and I would add that there's been reports over the last 24 hours that Hamas fighters are moving
14:03into areas of Gaza evacuated by Israeli soldiers. And I'm very concerned that this means they don't
14:10plan to leave. They don't plan to give up their weapons. We need to see whoever Hamas is sending
14:15into these areas, turn over their weapons and control of these areas of Gaza to the international
14:21force. I hope they're planning to do that. There have been indications that Hamas is reluctant to
14:26abide by that part of the deal. But the brilliance of this agreement that Trump put forward is,
14:30let's get the hotches out first. We will finalize aspects like this of the agreement later. Let's save
14:37human life. You know, gentlemen, it is truly stunning that it was slightly over two years ago
14:44that we woke up to the single worst massacre since the Holocaust in Israel. And here we are,
14:51barely two years later, perhaps on the cusp of generational peace. I did not see that coming.
14:59Nathan Sales, Fred Flights, thank you for your service to our country and for joining us on a Sunday
15:04night. Good to be here. Thanks, Fred. Yes, sir. Coming up, Chuck Schumer thinks the shutdown is going
15:12quite well for Senate Democrats. What about the people they purport to represent? We'll talk about
15:18that when Sunday Night in America returns. Welcome back to Sunday Night in America. Chuck Schumer shut
15:24government down for three reasons. A-O-C. He's afraid of her. The man who once said shutdowns were
15:34idiotic is now playing the fool. Another round of Senate votes failed in the shutdown while Speaker
15:40Mike Johnson is definitely not playing the Democrats game. Well, Republicans control the House, the Senate,
15:47and the presidency. And unfortunately, they've made the decision to take a my way or the highway approach.
15:53We've repeatedly made clear we want to sit down, reopen the government, and negotiate a bipartisan
15:58path forward. The ball is in the Senate's court. The House has done its job. They're trying their best
16:03to distract the American people from the simple fact that they've chosen a partisan fight so that
16:07they can prove to their Marxist rising base in the Democrat Party that they're willing to fight Trump
16:13and Republicans. How and when will this end? When will soldiers, police officers, and others who don't
16:19make that much to begin with, start losing paychecks? Joining us is House Majority Leader Steve Scalise.
16:26Welcome, Leader. There is so much misinformation out there. Help our viewers understand what Democrats,
16:33who, by the way, are in the minority, are insisting on to open government.
16:38Well, Trey, it's great to be with you. And you laid out what Chuck Schumer's fear is. It's the far left.
16:46It's the AOC wing of the party. And in fact, our polls showing AOC would beat Chuck Schumer in a
16:51primary. And that seems to be all he cares about, his political future. He surely doesn't care about
16:56the lives of American families, our soldiers, our men and women in uniform, who will not get paychecks
17:01next week because of this crazy move to shut down the government by Schumer. And so it's real
17:07straightforward. I mean, we passed a bill out of the House, as the Speaker just said in that clip you
17:11ran. And it's over in the Senate. And all you need is five more Democrats to join in.
17:16As everybody knows, we could pass anything we want with a majority in the House. And while Hakeem
17:22Jeffries tried to whip all of his members to shut the government down, we still passed that bill with
17:26Republican votes. But in the Senate, they need 60 votes, which means even with every Republican,
17:31they need some Democrats. And that's where Chuck Schumer has been shutting down the government.
17:36And for what, you ask, it's really a wish list of things that he filed as an alternative to open
17:41the government back up again. And trade includes a trillion and a half dollars in new unrelated
17:46spending. And by the way, he's gutting rural hospital funding while they talk about health care.
17:51They gut rural hospital funding to give taxpayer funding, for example, to illegals. That's part of
17:58what is in Chuck Schumer's bill. So it shows you what their priority is. They don't care if
18:02our troops don't get their paychecks, but they surely want taxpayer funding for illegals. It's
18:08in Chuck Schumer's bill. All right. Speaking of Chuck Schumer,
18:13here's the old Chuck Schumer, and then I'll ask you about it on the other side.
18:17Shutting down government over a policy difference is self-defeating.
18:21It accomplishes nothing but pain and suffering for the country and the American people.
18:27That's a lesson we all must bear in mind. The shutdown is not a political game.
18:33Shutdown means real pain for American families.
18:38I'm laughing, but it's not funny. I mean, that literally is the textbook definition of hypocrisy,
18:44what we just listened to. And look, Hakeem Jeffries wants to sit down and negotiate. How
18:49about try winning elections? They're in the minority.
18:54Well, and clearly, Trey, they haven't learned from the elections. They're still
18:57having a tantrum over the results of last year's election when Donald Trump ran the table.
19:02Seven out of seven swing states all went for Donald Trump because he said he was going to secure the
19:08border. He's going to focus on getting the economy back on track. He was going to prevent a tax hike.
19:12And the Democrats are fighting against all those things. They literally want
19:16to take away our border security measures that were in the one big, beautiful bill. They want
19:21to raise taxes on hard work and families. It's one of the things they advocated for.
19:26They surely don't want to pay our troops because they voted against that bill eight different times
19:30now, Trey. So you can go look at the votes to see where people are. It's not a he said, she said.
19:35There is a bill that either pays our troops or not. You vote yes or you vote no. It's very
19:40straightforward. Republicans are voting yes to pay our troops. Democrats are voting no and nobody
19:45can explain why. The Chuck Schumer from just March of this year was what you were running clips of
19:50when he voted to keep the government open at the exact same spending levels. What changed? It's
19:55the threat from AOC. A lot of reports are that it's this hate America rally that's coming up next
20:01week on the 18th. There's some big rally in Washington with all the far left groups and Chuck
20:06Schumer and his friends want to appease them by saying, look, the government's still shut down.
20:10It's insanity and it's costing millions of families. All right. Before I'll let you go later,
20:16I got to ask you, there are two former Democrat House members who are running for governor in their
20:21respective states. Katie Porter is apparently auditioning for the lead in horrible bosses part
20:27three. I mean, I cannot, I can't imagine anyone talking to employees or anybody else like that.
20:33And I put people on death row and I don't talk like that. Meanwhile, Abigail Spanberger isn't sure
20:39whether she supports a man who fantasized about capital murder, devastating children and urinating on
20:45graves. Well, what is your reaction to Porter acting like Ike Turner and Spanberger playing
20:51Pontius Pilate? It's unreal. I mean, the Democrat party has lost its way. They're about to elect a
20:58socialist Marxist in New York. You know, he says he wants government run grocery stores and he's about
21:03to win the race. It shows you where their party has gone in California. It's such a lost cause over
21:09there. Gavin Newsom's destroyed one of the great American states. And Katie Porter, you know,
21:14we served with her in the House. She's very far left. And even now, you know,
21:19the American people are getting to see just how mean spirited she is to her own staff. She's
21:23yelling at her staff. She won't even give interviews with reporters who are asking basic
21:29questions and she wants to govern the state of California. Their party is just a rudderless ship.
21:34Spanberger, same thing. I mean, a guy saying he wants to murder his opponent at a time when political
21:40violence is at its height and everybody should be speaking out against it. And she's endorsing
21:45the guy who said he wants to murder his political opponent. This is insanity. And it's just a
21:50rudderless ship of a party with leaders who are socialists and Marxists right now. That's where the
21:56Democrat Party is. Sadly, Trey. Yeah. Speaking of political violence,
22:01Steve Scalise very narrowly almost lost his life practicing for a charity baseball game. But thank
22:10God he is not only with us. He is strong as ever. Steve Scalise from the great state of Louisiana,
22:15majority leader in the U.S. House. Thank you for joining us on a Sunday night.
22:20Well, God performs miracles. You know that. Great being with you, Trey. Thanks. God bless.
22:25Amen. Take care. Coming up, what exactly is the argument for more crime in American cities? We
22:32try to be open minded, but why would any leader oppose keeping constituents alive? The latest on
22:37the National Guard being used to serve and protect. That's next. Oh, sorry, one second.
22:43The National Guard being used to serve and protect.
22:54Former Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms announced this Georgia Governor bid slams Trump in campaign video.
23:02Current Georgia Governor Brian Kemp is not eligible to seek another term in 2026. Former Atlanta Mayor
23:09Keisha Lance Bottoms launched a Georgia garbiential bid on Tuesday, slamming Donald Trump in a campaign video.
23:19Donald Trump is a disaster for our economy and our country, from his failures to address rising prices
23:25to giving an unelected billionaire the power to cut Medicare and Social Security. It's one terrible
23:31thing after another, she asserts in the video, later declaring, Georgia families deserve far better
23:37than what Donald Trump and Republicans are giving us. Fox News Digital reached out to the White House
23:43for comment, but did not immediately receive a response.
23:46The Republican Governors Association took aim at the newly announced candidate.
23:56Keisha Lance Bottoms' record as mayor is one that was a disaster for Atlanta. Crimes skyrocketed
24:02with incidents of homicide, rape, aggravated assault all surging due to half-failed policies.
24:08Atlanta was drastically unsafe under Bottoms and the last thing Georgians want is to bring half-policies
24:14to the entire state. Bottoms is a risk Georgians can't afford. RGA Communications Director Courtney
24:20Alexander charged in a statement. Bottoms said in the video that expanding Medicaid would be her top
24:28priority as the state's governor and that she would work to eliminate state income taxes for teachers.
24:36She worked for President Joe Biden during a portion of his White House tenure. In 2022,
24:40she was announced as Senior Advisor to the President for the public engagement and then in 2023,
24:46Bottoms was selected to serve on the President's Export Council. Current Peach State Governor
24:52Brian Kemp, a popular Republican who is now serving his second consecutive term, is term-limited and not
25:14eligible to seek re-election in 2026. In addition to Bottoms' Republican State Attorney General Chris Carr
25:21and Democratic State Senator Jason Esteves are both also running for the job.
25:28Olu Brown, who previously served as the founding and lead pastor of Impact United Methodist Church,
25:33according to OluBrown.com, is also seeking the governorship.
25:37In the Republican race to succeed Kemp, Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr has announced his candidacy.
25:48Lieutenant Gov Burr-Jones, a supporter and ally of President Donald Trump, is seriously considering
25:53a bid for governor. Also considered potential candidates are Georgia Secretary of State Brad
26:00Ravensburger and Representative Marjorie Taylor-Green, a three-term congressional woman with a national
26:08following who represents a congressional district in the northwest part of the state and is a top
26:12Trump ally in the House of Representatives.
26:14Tensions flare at school board meeting after a trans-athlete wins multiple track events.
26:32A biological male beat out 7th grade females in multiple events at the track meet recently.
26:37Parents and residents clashed at a school board meeting in Chicago on Monday after a trans-junior
26:45high school student won multiple events at a local track meet.
26:51The Naperville 203 Community School District board meeting was at times contentious,
26:57with roughly 100 people in attendance split between the main room and an overflow viewing area.
27:02Those in support of the trans-athlete waved the blue, pink and white striped transgender flag,
27:10while those advocating for athletes to compete against people of the same biological sex held
27:14signs reading Protect Girls Sport and Defend Title IX, a federal civil rights law that prohibits
27:21sex discrimination in education. The controversy centered around a biological male who competed in
27:287th grade track meets against biological females at the Naperville priority conference meet,
27:34with attendees at the meeting sharply divided on the issue.
27:39These situations place feelings over reason and force other students and families to participate in
27:44something we all know is a lie, parent Mike Labelle said.
27:50Naperville resident Doug McGregor said that there is a hidden political agenda behind district policies.
27:56Many of us knew then the achievement gap was just a children horse for DEI's real objective,
28:03pronouns and the radical LGBTQ plus agenda, McGregor said.
28:07Naperville parents will spend literally tens of thousands of dollars on sports throughout their
28:12daughter's lives. Travel teams, coaches, summer camps, traveling to tournaments and meet etc.
28:19And when her daughter steps up for her chance to win in a state championship or medal,
28:24he said she alludes to a biological male that once in a lifetime moment gone because of DEI's political agenda.
28:33Those defending the trans athlete include Dorothy Powers, a parent of six who is non-binary.
28:38Powers argue that forcing students to compete in a gender category that does not match their identity
28:43harms their personal development.
28:45When a student is forced to compete in an agenda with which he or she does not identify, education is a choice.
28:56Powell said, America began providing public education in 1635.
29:01Will Naperville continue the proud American tradition of forward progress or try to justify exclusion for
29:07those who are non-binary, of course?
29:09I include, I encourage inclusion.
29:12Parent Tim Thompson said the controversy is not truly about races or a specific athlete,
29:17but rather part of a broader effort to target transgender students.
29:22Don't be fooled. It was never about race and it was never about an athlete, Thompson said.
29:26This is an attempt to further marginalize the group and tell them that they don't belong, that they aren't good enough.
29:31Awake Illinois has filed a civil rights complaint against the district with the Education Department
29:39Officer for Civil Rights alleging a violation of Title IX.
29:46They called on federal funds to be withheld from the district, which it says receives $8
29:50million and $9 million in federal grants annually. The complaint is part of a broader effort by Awake
29:57Illinois, which previously filed the similar Title IX complaint against other districts and the Illinois
30:02State Board of Education. Shannon Adcock of Awake Illinois also spoke out at the meeting.
30:12Now, in 2025, you've got boys stealing girls victories, leaving young girls sobbing on the tracks,
30:18Adcock said. This isn't inclusion, it's oppression. Meanwhile, Lorne Hruby said that in a solution
30:25may be to give trans students a different class of sports to compete against one another.
30:31But I think for women, I don't think we stand a chance against a male, she said.
30:36I know a lot of these girls practice their entire life to try to get a scholarship
30:40and there's a lot of lost opportunities. So I just wanted to come and support women in women's sports.
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