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Debating who deserves the bulk of the blame for the Miami Dolphins current situation: Stephen Ross, Chris Grier, Mike McDaniel or Tua Tagovailoa?
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00:00yeah daniel jones i just saw a push notification before we came on the air for this segment
00:04from cbs sports and it was
00:08could daniel jones i haven't clicked on the article yet could daniel jones become the next
00:1430 million dollar quarterback he's among many contract year nfl players to watch this season
00:22he's in a contract year he is having an incredible start to the season
00:27baker sam darnold there's a lot of acres in the contract here no no i'm just saying he's
00:33following that same route to hey it didn't work here it didn't work here but look it worked here
00:42sam darnold is is a perfect example geno smith is another example obviously baker
00:47literally revitalized his career with the chargers on like one drive a couple years ago i mean
00:54why not man i know we all think daniel jones is a bum but bro he's winning
01:00and i think shane steikin those two awards are attached we're all i'm expecting i'm gonna say
01:07we all speak for anybody i'm expecting the colts not to to fall off i'm expecting the colts to have
01:13a lull at some point i think shane steikin is a great coach i don't think daniel jones is a great
01:19quarterback so we'll see what happens here in the next couple weeks if they're five in those six and
01:24oh you gotta you gotta buy in omar says baker is omar says baker mayfield is in a contract year
01:31baker's about to get some he is going to get going didn't they just give him a hundred million dollars
01:41a couple years ago he is gonna get paid paid i would love to see him in a dolphins uni next season
01:46how old is he gonna be i don't care yeah you say that until he pulls up here at 39 years old
01:56he's 30 he'll be 31 next season hawk that baker mayfield will not be in a dolphins uniform i hate
02:03to break it to you but to a tongue of iloa will be your dolphin star unless two or retires he will
02:08be your starting quarterback week well what if what if and we know chris greer is the greer father
02:15what if what if baker is not gonna sign another contract with tampa wants to stay in florida that
02:28leaves only two other franchises does jacksonville love uh trevor lawrence or are they about done with
02:34him i think they're about done with old trevor they won what if we just swap trevor lawrence for
02:40two because both franchises are done with their quarterbacks and just see if a change of scenery
02:46helps i i would take baker over trevor all day oh in a heartbeat in a heartbeat baker's my kind of
02:55quarterback man that dude puts his shoulder down to what could do that too they just won't let him
03:00okay put his shoulder down it's gonna diss his whole arm is gonna fall off
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03:29man if i could play this tape of you two talking about tua to you guys a year ago even four months
03:37ago three months ago you wouldn't believe a month ago before the season started was a month ago
03:45i was with i i i appell said it but i was with appell if two was out there dolphins win for me it was
03:53that simple with this team when two was out there the dolphins win when you have tim boyle and skyler
04:00thompson and tyler huntley they don't win but when you've got tua at quarterback and mike mcdaniel as
04:08your head coach dolphins win and it's just not true i can't i can't continue to say it if it's not true
04:14yeah and and we have to make the decision well we don't hell i don't have a billion dollars to buy a
04:20team is it tua's physical limitations or is it mcdaniel's play calling
04:29is it the scheme or is it the man because we we've honestly we've actually we talked about
04:34earlier with the 70 point games two years ago like we we thought we were going to be the greatest show
04:39on turf and then now we're struggling to score 20 points what's the answer and that's that's on
04:45steven ross and garfinkel to figure out i i do you know and i don't say this to be the i gotcha guy or
04:53whatever i swear i just think hawk having that mindset of when if tua plays they win there was a
05:01large enough sample size against good teams to say hey there's a problem here and i'm not just saying
05:06it's tua i'm saying in this era with mcdaniel with tua with chris greer there's a problem here where
05:12even when two was on the field healthy against good teams his stats his numbers his production
05:18dropped precipitously against good teams when you compared it to teams who weren't very good and when
05:24you looked at his numbers in cold weather games there was a big issue there as well i i agree with
05:30you like the last the game against new england a year ago i would have told you dolphins win that
05:35game 100 if two was healthy but against the bills it's the same story it's the same thing we've
05:41been talking about for three years coming off the 70 point win they go to buffalo this is the game
05:47they scored 70 this is it's it's now or never they get routed okay but do you have that conversation
05:53with lamar jackson then regarding the bills no because lamar jackson hawk lamar jackson do you want
05:58to do we want to have a conversation of can lamar jackson win you a super bowl i think you have to
06:03have that conversation because he hasn't been able to do it but can lamar jackson win you multiple
06:09playoff games and go toe-to-toe with anybody else in the nfl the answer is yes and it's not even
06:13debatable it's not even debatable they've been to the conference championship game he's he's gone
06:19toe-to-toe with mahomes in the playoffs he's won playoff games plural he's been the mvp it's a
06:27different ball game with lamar man well i'm just saying you if you're making one flat out statement
06:31about two of though he can't beat buffalo man i'll put a whole bunch of quarterbacks in that position
06:37when it comes to the postseason that you can't beat buffalo but because they're one of the elite
06:41teams that we've ever seen yeah but he can't he's gotten to the postseason twice didn't play in one
06:47of the games and in the other one they didn't belong on the same field with patrick mahomes they
06:52just didn't like his record is one in what against buffalo like one in 12 or whatever it is like it's bad
07:00and and we glorify the quarterback position but how the eagles are set up how buffalo set up how
07:08kansas city set up how the bills are set up is it personnel again or is it coaching
07:16that's the thing is that all these teams can run the ball who's it i had to look up the bills
07:22receivers shakir and keon coleman and kincaid these aren't hall of fame guys but they have lines they
07:30have trenches that can compete with that are better than the dolphins so now is it on greer is it on
07:37the the the the chef is it on the cook is it on who who's it on that we can't to your point solana
07:44you're right we go play the chiefs we play the bills we play the ravens they are a they are they're
07:49better team than us are they better coached are they there is their roster better that's what the
07:56that's what we have to everything but that's what we have to agree to that then it's not just to
08:02oh no no i i've been as consistent about this you guys have to agree i've been as consistent about this
08:07point as everything i don't think to a can win you a super bowl but i'm not blaming all of the
08:13dolphin shortcomings going back to 2023 the fall off you know what i'm not doing this today on the
08:19two-year anniversary of their 70 point performance against denver absolutely i'll do this any other
08:25day not on the anniversary of the greatest offensive output we've ever seen the dolphins put together
08:32absolutely not not today just one more question hawk i'm sorry you put two on the philadelphia eagles
08:42you trade for jalen hurts can they win a super bowl can the eagles win a super are they going to
08:46continue to do the tush push because i gotta see that if they push that tush he's gonna be
08:52gotta see that he'd be screaming
09:00crowder yes
09:04i would say i would say could win a super bowl with a different roster i don't know if he could i
09:10don't know if he could win the super bowl because you think about the plays jalen hurts made in the
09:13playoffs last year and with his with his feet but would would there be a different perception
09:19of tua 100 because they can just hand the ball off to saquon they can move the chains differently than
09:26miami can you you asked oh gee like what's plan b the eagles have plan b c d and e i almost said f i
09:33can't spell the dolphins don't they can't just move the chains that way so yes they're a playoff team
09:39they are it's everything bro it's it's greer it's mcdaniel it's tua it's everything and that
09:45that sucks that sucks listen at 0 and 3 i there's can't argue it it's not an argument you can't argue
09:53it there's no leg to stand on no you can't argue it this year the only thing the dolphins have going
09:58for them is julian hill at the tight end position i'm certain you see i sent you a stat one reception
10:07four yards plus a two-point conversion two-point conversion let's not forget yeah yeah that loss
10:14looks even worse without that two-point conversion
10:20your uh your local headlines marlins deserve our attention still in the hunt in the wild card chase
10:30in the national league as it stands right now they've won 10 of their last 11
10:35seven consecutive victories for the marlins they're 77 and 80 overall four games back of the
10:42new york mets were clinging onto that final wild card spot they're 81 and 76 there's a bunch of
10:50machinations for the miami marlins to make the the postseason the clearest one is they have to win out
10:56and they need a lot of help from the teams in front of them somebody points out on the somebody
11:02points out on the text line that if you do every time you want to buy a pair of shoes you instead
11:06invest in the company you have to walk around barefoot for your entire life
11:11buy some crocs all right you know what i see the little text line now this is pretty cool to
11:20to hear what people are think see what people are thinking i don't know how to say it
11:24can you blame ross when you heard the story that he tried to have the secret meeting with brady
11:30he wanted to draft lamar and he wanted to get harbaugh
11:36ross needs to start putting his meat on the table and making decisions that he wants and not
11:41letting other people make decisions well i i would imagine that steven ross probably because the the
11:49ownership tenure he's in in my opinion thrown as much money as asked of him has made the stadium
11:56great has added in f1 and tennis i mean i i think he's done a fantastic job i would say he probably
12:04thinks to himself i should have thrown my meat on the table a number of times when it comes to this
12:09franchise because i would not be at the helm of a loser business right now when i say loser business
12:16he's more than quadrupled his money i'm sure so it's not yeah financially it's not a loser business
12:23but i would imagine he probably says to himself i should have been more demonstrative
12:31in what i wanted done with this team you'd have to look no further than lamar jackson we all know
12:39the story by now he wanted them to draft lamar jackson and no one agreed with him
12:47lamar jackson and jim harbaugh are your quarterback and head coach this entire franchise is different
12:55there was another chance to get lamar too a couple years ago and look every team had a chance i think
13:02i think most of us most of us were saying don't do it lamar hasn't proven he can stay healthy
13:07blah blah blah and most of us were wrong the dolphins should have should have jumped at that opportunity
13:12give him five first round picks who cares you would have you you would have been in a better spot but
13:17we also know i mean like what that chatter said he legitimately was putting the dolphins in position to go
13:25get tom brady tom brady was on board literally and figuratively because he was on board the ship
13:32tom brady was on board steven ross whatever he needed to do behind the scenes and it probably had
13:40something to do with michigan and back channels and whatever he was going to unveil tom brady
13:48as the next dolphins quarterback and instead he ended up in tampa winning a super bowl
13:54i believe steven ross i have no problem with steven ross and his approach to this franchise
14:04this this organization other than he should have put his meat on the table he had he has to start
14:10laying his meat on the table hey draft lamar well we don't know because the analytics say okay analytics
14:16i'm a billionaire go to hell draft lamar jackson out of louisville please but he's still like i'm i'm fine
14:22with what you guys are saying the context matters but at the end of the day he still has allowed chris
14:28greer to go seven years without a winning product last year it was obvious it was obvious that this
14:35team wasn't built correctly the window had shut that's when the move should have been made get a
14:42new gm get a new quarterback let them evaluate the talent on the team move forward and he stuck around
14:47for another year here you are oh and three i'm sorry like i'm i'm cool with giving ross his flowers
14:52for the things he deserves flowers for but to pretend like he's not to blame for where the
14:57dolphins are i disagree with wholeheartedly you want him to fire people earlier because that's
15:05what you're asking right now that's an unstable organization so he should fire like right now
15:10oh and three he should fire he should fire mcdaniel and greer week four the time to fire them was last
15:15year they gave a ton of money to a bunch of people who aren't producing for you and and hawk to say
15:22that's an unstable organization maybe but what's better a general manager two rebuilds his his three
15:29first round picks in a draft all three potentially misses just like like that's me and i know i know you
15:35said it before the season so i'm not saying that you were playing uh hindsight 2020 but for a lot of
15:43people if i told you in a vacuum the organization he put together and i'm talking about the mcdaniel
15:50era had been to the playoffs two out of their three seasons and the one season they didn't their
15:55starting quarterback missed a bunch of games and the backup quarterbacks were ill-equipped to run the
16:01offense it was the point that i made last year when steven ross extended it said that the big three is
16:08coming back if you will um it was my point then which is if you get rid of everyone now
16:17you're going backwards and in my opinion they were closer to being a playoff winning team
16:25than they were to not being a contending team and that's the way that i felt after last season because
16:34i chalked it up to the backup quarterback situation but it does seem like we have more info now i mean
16:40obviously we do we have three games into the season but also jaylen ramsey wanted out calais campbell had
16:45no interest in staying you know we we found out to ron armstead he he retired like we i think we found out
16:55more of the back story and it wasn't just that the backup quarterbacks were ill-equipped it seems like
17:04there were a lot more problems and the the the the veteran leaders leaving whether it was through a
17:11trade or retirement was kind of a harbinger of what we were about to see yeah and the one thing and i i
17:21we oh and three we can't just say you can't sit status quo when you're oh and three what uh what's
17:30the plan moving forward and i don't we none of us i think on this show can answer this question
17:36who is going to make these trades who is going to move tyreek who is going to move bradley chubb who
17:43is going to draft next year because i'll give you a i'll be honest with you we're going to have a higher
17:48pick we're going to have something in the 10 to 12 range next year if we keep this going
17:53what's the plan and that's why i think ross i've said it before he has to get the president of
18:00football operations or something he does not know football like that he has to have somebody to make
18:06this plan of how again i wouldn't i would but i would take a step back and go he knew well enough
18:11that lamar jackson was gonna be a good quarterback he also knew well enough to go get tom brady to be the
18:16quarterback of his franchise like he's he's not a bumbling idiot no yeah no no no he's not we can
18:23at bernie's hawk but we like but that those are to turn that wheel over if i if i'm looking right now
18:31in lamar jackson the south floor he's from pompano he's in south florida winning mvps this whole organization
18:39is different if we get tom brady before tampa this whole organization is different why can't
18:46we have that person that would co-sign on his very intelligent thoughts and that's what i that's where
18:54the mid-ground is like i said if i had a billion dollars fellas i swear i'd buy the dolphins but
18:59don't we i mean to me that's like the revisionist history stuff because we think nick saban is one of
19:06the smartest football coaches of all time but he chose dante culpepper over drew breeze i mean
19:13that's one of the worst personnel decisions in the history of sport and you'd have thought you hired
19:21the right guy to make that decision nick saban yeah you know what i mean so like i can't like to say oh
19:27ross needs a brilliant football mind well nick saban was a brilliant football mind made one of the worst
19:34decisions in south florida sports history oh and nobody nobody hits a thousand like and that's
19:42where and it's funny you say that i think nick saban would have continued to coach in nfl if he
19:47picked drew breeze and i might have a damn super bowl ring right now if you pick drew breeze but a
19:53decision and decision over and over and over football wise these drafts and that's why we got to go between
20:00is two and not the guy is chris greer not the right cook or steven ross making decisions not putting
20:06right people in in place this is what bad organizations do is we argue about quarterback
20:13gm head coach who's the problem who's the problem i don't know what the answer is i don't know how to
20:19we used to ask people like uh list the list the answer or list the problem who's the problem who's
20:27number one it's quarterback head coach gm or owner i don't think steven ross is that high on that list
20:33i think steven ross is going to be fourth we can argue about the other three
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