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00:00This is the Ingram Angle from Washington tonight. As always, thank you for spending time with us.
00:04My Angle and Moments, but first, I had to tell you guys, life is so strange. I was thinking
00:10about this this morning. A week ago, tonight, Charlie Kirk was on The Angle. It was his last
00:18ever appearance on Fox. The next morning, he and I were joking together in a text exchange about
00:25an article written about his appearance and, of course, criticizing us. We're both just laughing
00:30about it. And tonight, a week later, his suspected assassin appeared in court for the first time
00:37wearing a suicide watch smock. State of Utah versus Tyler James Robinson. Could you state your name?
00:46Tyler James Robinson. Mr. Robinson, you have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford one,
00:53the court can appoint an attorney to represent you. I have reviewed your declaration of financial
00:58status and find that you are indigent. I'm provisionally appointing a Rule 8 qualified
01:05attorney to represent you on your case. Mr. Robinson, at this time, you will remain in custody
01:12without bail. 22-year-old Tyler Robinson charged seven counts, including aggravated murder
01:18and witness tampering. The state already pledging to seek the death penalty in this case.
01:24And tonight, we're learning, through Robinson's own words, why he says he killed Charlie.
01:31Holy s**t. Holy s**t.
01:36Shortly after Robinson allegedly took Clark Kirk's life, he texted his roommate, who we now know is
01:42his romantic partner, a biological male transitioning to a so-called female. These texts provide insights
01:49into outstanding questions regarding the weapon, Robinson's process for hiding it, and his overall
01:55state of mind when he made his escape and tried to confiscate evidence. Now, according to the charging
02:00documents, Robinson texted his roommate, drop what you're doing, look under my keyboard. There,
02:07the roommate found a note that read, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm
02:12going to take it. Now, after reading the note, the roommate responded, what? You're joking, right?
02:20Well, Utah County attorney Jeff Gray described what happened next.
02:25Robinson, I am still okay, my love, but am stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet.
02:31Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest, I
02:39had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.
02:45Roommate, you weren't the one who did it, right?
02:49Robinson, I am, I am, I'm sorry.
02:53Roommate, I thought they caught the person.
02:56Robinson, no, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone and
03:01similar clothing.
03:03Then the question of planning came up. Now, little did Robinson know at this point that
03:08by providing so many details, he was writing his own charging document. Robinson told his roommate
03:14that he had been planning the assassination for more than a week, saying, I had enough of Kirk's
03:19hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out of. If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left
03:26no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully, they will have moved on.
03:32I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle.
03:37IDK, if it's had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince. I had to leave it in a bush where
03:48I changed outfits. Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with. I might have to abandon it and hope they
03:56don't find Prince. How the F will I explain losing it to my old man? Only thing I left was the
04:04rifle wrapped in a towel. Robinson then texted chilling words, saying, judging from today,
04:12I'd say grandpa's gun does just fine. Now, the next day, September 11th, after seeing surveillance
04:18photos on the news, Tyler Robinson's parents came to their own horrific realization. The man who killed
04:24Charlie Kirk looked like it was their son. His mother called to ask where he was.
04:30Home sick for two days, Robinson told her. Well, mother's intuition, she didn't believe him.
04:38His dad recognized the rifle that police found. It was given to his son as a gift.
04:45Robinson again, delete this exchange. Again, Robinson, my dad wants photos of the rifle. He says,
04:53grandpa wants to know who has what. The feds released a photo of the rifle, and it is very unique.
05:00He's calling me, RN, not answering. He eventually did answer. His parents told authorities that Robinson
05:08threatened to take his own life, but they convinced him to come over and talk about what he did.
05:14Now, later, the suspect told his roommate he'd surrender.
05:17Robinson, I'm going to turn myself in willingly. One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.
05:26Again, you are all I worry about, love. That came from Robinson. Roommate, I'm much more worried about
05:33you. Robinson, don't talk to the media, please. Don't take any interviews or make any comments.
05:40If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent.
05:47Now, I'm not a psychologist, but just from what we know tonight, we see a young man desperately
05:54wanting to prove himself, prove himself capable of, I guess, some big accomplishment for his lover.
06:00The way he writes, his whole thought process, someone who is deeply insecure.
06:04Lots of questions, though, were raised by this text exchange, including, how was the suspect able
06:10to stay near that rifle drop spot for so long, apparently without being noticed?
06:16Here with analysis of all of this is George Terwilliger, former DOJ deputy attorney general,
06:21who was also acting attorney general. Also with us, Josh Ritter, Fox News contributor,
06:26criminal defense attorney. Josh, let's start with you. Now, these text messages,
06:30you know, read by that county prosecutor, they appear to happen over the course of two days.
06:39Does this or would this in any way implicate the roommate? Again, we don't know when the roommate
06:46went to authorities, but what could possible charges look like here?
06:53Well, just reading the text messages, there's an argument, I think, to be made for accessory after
07:01the fact, which is interesting because that is nothing that was discussed during the press
07:05conference by the DA today. In fact, the DA didn't talk about anyone being under investigation or even
07:11the idea of a conspiracy theory of implication, criminal liability being used in this case. So it
07:17looks like they believe that Robinson acted alone and that's who they intend to pursue. But you're
07:22absolutely right. When you analyze those, this person, the roommate, the romantic partner is at
07:28least cooperating to the extent of perhaps destroying that note or destroying text messages.
07:34My belief is, though, because that roommate is cooperating, he's become a very valuable witness
07:39to the prosecution and they intend to keep him that way. Yeah, I mean, it just begs the question of
07:45whether there were text messages between them before this. They'll find all of this out, of course,
07:51George. Do you see an opportunity, George, before we get to the federal charges, your take on this
07:57extraordinary text chain that was read aloud today in these charging documents, all of it referenced.
08:06What's your takeaway, George? Well, it's it's an amazing set of circumstances and really one that
08:17that sort of bespeaks on, sadly, Laura, the kind of culture we have today. I mean, this guy was just like totally
08:25disconnected from reality. He didn't leave a trail of breadcrumbs to his guilt. He gave a road map to his door
08:34through these messages and so forth. And I think Josh is right. The roommate's probably a lot more valuable to the
08:42prosecution as a witness, particularly as to events that might have occurred prior to the this dastardly
08:49act. Yeah, I mean, the idea that he was plotting, as he said in his text messages, George, for a week
08:55and his romantic, you know, partner knew nothing about this. He was just plotting away solo.
09:05I mean, something about this whole tax exchange. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
09:12some of it seems phony to me. It seems too cute by half, but. It does. But, you know, that they'll
09:19have to assess that because, you know, maybe maybe his reaction really was, I just don't believe he
09:26would he would do something like this. But, you know, of course, what he should have done is is
09:31gone to someone in authority and says trouble is brewing here. But, you know, Laura, there's one
09:36other point, I think, when you were talking about the proceedings and you showed some of the court
09:42proceedings in court today and the nation got to see a lot of it. You know, that's what goes.
09:47Well, they, you know, here everyone else is hiding for cover and worried about their loved ones. And
09:54this man is plotting to assist someone that apparently, as far as we know, he had no connection
09:59to. Now, I mean, the book has to be thrown at all these people. And that brings us,
10:04George, to the discord chats where Robinson confessed to the shooting. The FBI director
10:12today was asked about this by Senator Josh Hawley. Watch.
10:18I see the public reports that the discord thread had as many as 20 additional users. It sounds like
10:23you're trying to run down all of that to see if that's accurate. Who else may have been on that thread?
10:28What they may have known. Is that fair to say? It's a lot more than that. We're running them
10:32all down. It's a lot more than 20. Yes, sir.
10:35Now, if those 20 plus people have knowledge of this shooting and did nothing,
10:41what sort of charges could they be looking at?
10:45They could be looking at obstruction. They could be looking at some kind of an accessory charge,
10:53aiding and abetting accessory after the fact and that sort of thing. But again, Laura, that's just,
10:59it's so typical of elements of our society today that people stand by and watch like they did at that
11:06mob scene in Ohio that you have all these people on the streets of New York today cheering this
11:12Mangione guy. It's nuts. Yeah. Well, they're going to do it if there are no consequences. So they're
11:18either laws that they can be prosecuted under or they face other societal consequences. But George
11:25and Josh, extraordinary day. Thank you very much. And coming up, sickos pay the price for celebrating
11:31murder. My angle exposes them. Next.
11:33Consequences for cheering assassination. That's the focus of tonight's angle.
11:43Charlie Kirk's murder has exposed the best and worst of America. The vigils,
11:48the tributes, they're beautiful and moving.
11:52America, America, God share his grace on thee.
12:03But we can't ignore the dark side that online and on campus, an element of our society reveled
12:15and is reveling in his death, calling for more assassinations, even, and even staging their
12:21own grotesque reenactments. This is what happened at Texas State University.
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13:06And at Texas Tech,
13:08If she was a drama major, she must have been failing.
13:20But regardless, Cameron Giselle Booker has been arrested and expelled.
13:26Again, real world fallout, baby.
13:29Other students are being disciplined as well.
13:31Employers are canning employees.
13:34And when crimes are committed, people are being prosecuted.
13:38Because if you normalize these reactions,
13:41if you allow people to destroy property,
13:43especially at a memorial tribute,
13:46our society will continue to suffer.
13:48And we know things are only going to get more dangerous.
13:50And by the way, kudos to Clemson University.
13:53Three individuals associated with that university
13:55have been fired for their actions and their online posts.
14:01And by the way, for all of you saying,
14:02Oh, Laura, this is cancel culture.
14:04No, you're wrong.
14:06These people weren't fired for expressing different political views,
14:10disagreeing with Charlie.
14:11He loved that.
14:13That's not what's going on.
14:15And of course, the same people who said nothing
14:17when grandmothers were rounded up
14:19for walking to the Capitol on January 6th,
14:21of course, they're upset,
14:23crying foul over these consequences.
14:25Most of these people are not public figures.
14:28They were anonymous until a few days ago
14:30when this conservative campaign organized online
14:33targeting people that it says are attacking Kirk,
14:37bashing Kirk.
14:38Given how tense the climate is,
14:41I think we are going to see more of these
14:42politically motivated firings.
14:44He's not worried about the political assassinations
14:47as much as he's worried about the political firings.
14:49They were not fired for debating.
14:51I'll say it a hundred times.
14:53They were fired for endorsing political murder.
14:57Now, to expect that any adult
15:00not condone or celebrate the murder of a speaker
15:04on a college campus,
15:05that seems like a pretty low bar to me.
15:08And the way the media and political figures defame
15:10and malign Charlie to this day,
15:12they dehumanize him, even in death.
15:15That feeds the very mindset
15:17that led to this assassination in the first place.
15:20And that ends up in the minds of many
15:23to justify taking politically violent actions.
15:27The reason that he is seen as a divisive figure
15:30is and why the left has had a reaction as well in this
15:34is because he has been known to make racist statements.
15:38I'm tired of white supremacist beliefs
15:41being considered a difference of opinion.
15:44I'm really sick of that.
15:45I'm insulted by the fact that they think his beliefs
15:49are just about a difference of opinion.
15:51He's, you know, become in this last few days,
15:54is, I think, a symbol of the toxic culture
15:58that we're in right now.
16:02But does firing educators or healthcare workers
16:05or disciplining students
16:07amount to some type of abrogation
16:10of all of our First Amendment rights?
16:12It's illiberal,
16:14and it's the opposite of what Charlie Kirk would have wanted.
16:17It's not illegal.
16:18It's not a crime to offend someone.
16:20You can't punish people for being jerks
16:23and celebrating the death of someone.
16:25That's not illegal,
16:26and that shouldn't be who we are.
16:28Okay.
16:29First of all, ludicrous analysis.
16:31Cheering for political violence
16:32is only going to beget more political violence.
16:35That's number one.
16:36But if you engage in speech
16:37that effectively incites more violence
16:39or that shows incredibly bad judgment,
16:42there will and should be societal consequences,
16:46employment and education-related repercussions.
16:48It's reasonable to think that.
16:51Now, Charlie Kirk was himself, as we are,
16:54passionate defenders of the First Amendment.
16:56Political speech should be protected.
16:59That's why he was fine
17:00with people confronting him in person,
17:01even when they said the most absurd insults.
17:04He tweeted last year
17:05that hate speech doesn't exist legally in America.
17:08All of it's protected by the First Amendment.
17:10Keep America free.
17:11Agree totally.
17:13And we aren't saying
17:14that you can't say hateful things.
17:16We aren't saying that you can't say evil things.
17:19But if you celebrate an assassination,
17:22then it is reasonable to expect
17:24that that could have negative consequences
17:26for your career.
17:27Hello.
17:28Defamation, harassment, incitement to violence
17:31does not shield you from your responsibility
17:33to abide by contractual obligations,
17:36university standards, or student honor codes.
17:39But naturally, the New York Times,
17:42after the Kirk assassination,
17:44finds a way to blame Trump,
17:46saying that he escalates attacks
17:48on political opponents after the killing.
17:50Come on.
17:51It's all a lie.
17:52The Democrats and their press poodles
17:55claim that we're trying to stop
17:57all criticism of the president?
17:59What?
18:00Have you seen any evidence
18:02that Democrats are afraid to criticize Trump?
18:04My goodness, look at the way
18:06they're treating his cabinet
18:08on Capitol Hill, Kash Patel, today.
18:11Did they look like they were people
18:12who live in fear of the secret police
18:14coming after them
18:15for criticizing the administration?
18:17Of course not.
18:18Because this whole line of argument is a lie.
18:22They know no one is trying
18:23to hinder true free speech.
18:27The left knows.
18:28They have encouraged violence, though.
18:30And they intend to keep doing so.
18:32And so they're going to continue
18:35to deflect blame and a lie
18:37in a desperate effort
18:38to avoid any political consequences
18:41for their own actions.
18:43So the bottom line tonight
18:44on the angle is this.
18:46They will keep supporting violence
18:48against the right
18:49until they're punished by the voters.
18:52Consequences are long overdue.
18:55And consequences are coming.
18:57And that's the angle.
18:58Dan Patrick is the lieutenant governor
19:00of Texas where they're not messing around
19:02with people harassing Charlie Kirk supporters.
19:05Dan, a few of those incidents
19:06that we just showed, of course,
19:08occurred in your state.
19:11But the left now wants to say,
19:14oh, you're all the cancel culture
19:16and this is just First Amendment
19:18protected speech.
19:19Your reaction to that?
19:21Well, first of all, Laura,
19:23when a baby is born,
19:24they're not born as a violent leftist.
19:27They're taught to be a violent leftist.
19:30They're radicalized starting in their teens
19:32and in our college campuses
19:33and by the general culture
19:35that the Democrats embrace,
19:37by the way,
19:37this Nazi, fascist, Hitler.
19:39They pretend that their hands are clean,
19:41but they're not
19:42because they propel someone
19:44like this monster
19:45who killed and assassinated Charlie Kirk.
19:48So we're not going to put up with it in Texas,
19:50but nowhere in America
19:51should anyone put up with it.
19:53You know, we got some notices,
19:54quite frankly,
19:55that said maybe you should cancel
19:57some live events
19:58and maybe you should get off social media
20:00for a while
20:00because we're all getting threats now.
20:02But if you asked yourself,
20:04Charlie Kirk would never do that.
20:05Charlie Kirk would never step back.
20:07He would continue to go out.
20:08In fact,
20:08Erica's incredible moment
20:10on television last week,
20:11a moment in history on television,
20:14she said,
20:14we're going to add events.
20:15So a message out to Republicans
20:18and conservatives and Christians
20:19and whatever your faith may be,
20:21do not step back.
20:24Do not be silent.
20:25Then they win.
20:26So we have to stay in this battle.
20:29Look, this is a battle
20:30of darkness and light.
20:32This is a country
20:33that where a lot of people are God haters
20:35and a lot of people love God
20:37as Charlie did.
20:38And I believe Charlie was attacked
20:39more or at least as much
20:42for his faith as his politics.
20:45They hated him
20:46because there are people in this country
20:47that hate this country and hate God.
20:49And we better come to grips with that.
20:50Right.
20:50But what about Charlie's point
20:52that hate speech is protected speech
20:54by the First Amendment,
20:55which, you know,
20:56we conservatives have always believed.
20:59What about that?
21:01Yeah.
21:01So hate speech is protected,
21:03but you cannot use speech
21:06to threaten and to incite.
21:08That is not allowed, Laura.
21:10And that's what's happening.
21:12I've been a victim of it.
21:13Again, so many people I know
21:14have been victim of it.
21:15The social media attacks
21:17where people are hiding
21:19behind their social media
21:20and they blur their picture
21:22and they change their name
21:23and you can't get their address
21:24from Google.
21:25They're all attacking.
21:26It's inciting.
21:28And again, it's threatening.
21:29And that has to stop.
21:31Laura, one of the things
21:31we did this session,
21:33I passed and wrote Senate Bill 37,
21:35which got rid of Senate faculties
21:37in Texas.
21:38And Senate faculties,
21:39for people who don't know,
21:40they're the most liberal,
21:41the most leftist,
21:42the laziest,
21:43worst people on college campuses.
21:45They're professors who decide
21:46who gets tenure,
21:47who gets fired,
21:47who the presidents are.
21:49We passed that bill
21:50and we're getting rid
21:51of Senate faculties.
21:52We've removed DEI.
21:53We're going to remove
21:54these leftist liberals on campus
21:56who are inciting students.
21:58So we're going to hold them accountable.
21:59And Laura,
22:00I also think that when people do this,
22:02their picture ought to be
22:03on the internet forever
22:04with their name
22:05so they never get a job.
22:06People need to see them
22:07in their files
22:08when they interview them.
22:09Dan, we appreciate it.
22:11And we're following things
22:12very, very closely this week
22:13in Texas and beyond
22:15at these vigils.
22:16Dan, thank you.
22:17Coming up,
22:17Kash Patel in the hot seat.
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