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00:00Hello, everyone. I'm Emily Campagno, along with Rosanna Scotto, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters, and Greg Gutfeld.
00:07It's five o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five.
00:17Jimmy Kimmel was fired because he had bad ratings more than anything else,
00:21and he said a horrible thing about a great gentleman known as Charlie Kirk.
00:24And Jimmy Kimmel is not a talented person.
00:27He had very bad ratings, and they should have fired him a long time ago.
00:30So, you know, you can call that free speech or not.
00:33He was fired for lack of talent.
00:36President Trump laying into Jimmy Kimmel after ABC suspended his show indefinitely.
00:42Kimmel falsely tried to claim that Charlie Kirk's killer was MAGA,
00:46despite a mountain of evidence pointing to his left-wing ideology.
00:50Here are those comments.
00:51We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize
00:57this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them
01:01and doing everything they can to score political points from it.
01:05Democrats and the media immediately melting down over the suspension,
01:09breathlessly claiming that free speech was under attack.
01:12This is just the latest chapter in Donald Trump's ongoing campaign to crack down on free speech.
01:21We saw the government step up and give a hard shove,
01:25and then we saw a compliant company turn around and suspend Mr. Kimmel.
01:33This is so serious, Aaron.
01:35America is a less free place if late-night comedians cannot do and say what they want.
01:41When I see you are wearing a hat, what does that hat say?
01:46You're damn right I am, John.
01:48I was a guest on the Jimmy Kimmel show.
01:50This moment, know that our democracy is on the line.
01:54But they failed to tell you the whole story
01:56and how Kimmel's suspension was decided by the market.
02:00The move by ABC came after Nextstar and Sinclair,
02:04two major players who own a ton of ABC affiliates across America,
02:08preempted his late-night show.
02:10With Nextstar saying that the comments don't reflect the, quote,
02:13spectrum of opinions, views, or values of the local communities in which we are located.
02:19Kimmel reportedly wasn't going to apologize for lying about the suspect.
02:24Instead, he planned to claim that he was taken out of context.
02:28Ah, the old out-of-context defense, Greg.
02:31Listen, is this indeed impinging on free speech,
02:35or is this just accountability for what someone says?
02:37It could be a little of everything, but it's great.
02:39Even in death, Charlie keeps winning debates.
02:44You know, the media, this is what's disgusting.
02:47Just look at the reaction.
02:49The media is trying to make Jimmy Kimmel into their Charlie Kirk.
02:54But as if, like, getting fired is the same as getting fired upon.
03:00That's what disgusts me, is how they're trying.
03:04They're in a blatant effort to get the stink off them.
03:10The decades of brainwash that created justification for violence and for murder.
03:16Sorry, guys.
03:17He's not a victim.
03:19The victim is Charlie Kirk.
03:20The victims are his family.
03:22I don't shed any tears for a lefty millionaire who can still go home and see his kids.
03:27So look at this through that prism.
03:31Jason Bateman predicts a reckoning over Kimmel's suspension.
03:36Sorry, dude.
03:37The reckoning began without you.
03:40Your side got thousands of conservatives thrown off social media.
03:43CNN tried to get Fox off the air.
03:45Do you remember that stelter that that don't say that stelter tried to get us off the air?
03:52And we're on a private airway.
03:54We're not in a public thing like like ABC is.
03:58While they were doing this, they were promoting rhetoric that demonized people with different viewpoints.
04:02So there are there isn't a both sides here.
04:05You can't turn Kimmel into Kirk.
04:07That is disgusting.
04:09And I'm going to control myself.
04:11Well, let's look at the obvious here.
04:15You have to look at this like mutually assured destruction.
04:19Facebook was pressured by the president or the White House to throw people out.
04:23Trump was thrown off Twitter.
04:24He had Roseanne, Gina Carino, Dave Chappelle, Shane Gillis, J.K. Rowling.
04:29The list is endless.
04:30We could take a whole hour to do it.
04:32How do you stop that?
04:34Mutually assured destruction like what Trump is doing with lawfare.
04:37You hunted us.
04:39You hunted Republicans.
04:40You hunted conservatives.
04:41Well, maybe you won't hunt us anymore if we hunt you.
04:45Lastly, I am so tired of these self-centered fools on CNN and MSNBC with their performative outrage because they will never, ever stand outside before thousands of people and debate people who don't like them.
05:00They are, like me, indoor cats.
05:03They used phrase, oh, was it S.E. Cup used the phrase systematically killing free speech?
05:08A young man was systematically killed over free speech last week.
05:14Kimmel has every right and every opportunity to do a live free show outdoors.
05:21And so could all those people on CNN.
05:23But they don't.
05:25If they did, they probably wouldn't get shot because no one is demonizing them.
05:29No one is calling them Hitler.
05:31That was your gig.
05:32And this wasn't in a vacuum, Jesse.
05:36This was in a climate where you have someone who represents a company and instructs half of the country not to watch the show.
05:44That's what Kimmel did when he told anyone that voted for Trump to not watch his show.
05:48As the president pointed out, his ratings had absolutely plummeted.
05:52So from a boss and market perspective, this wasn't the first time.
05:56If he was actually involved in telling the truth, then maybe they would have cut him some slack.
06:00But the reality is that his show sucked.
06:03No one watched it.
06:04And so when he peddles filthy lies, that's the last straw, not the first.
06:08Yeah, it's not about censorship.
06:10It's about standards.
06:11The country is red hot.
06:13Charlie's body isn't even buried yet.
06:16And the face of the network goes out and falsely frames MAGA as the assassin.
06:22That's a flat out lie.
06:24It's disrespectful.
06:25It's crass.
06:26And it puts a target on our back.
06:28And there was an affiliate revolt.
06:31It's called the marketplace.
06:32So Bob Iger at Disney says, yeah, we're going to put Kimmel on ice because we have a conscience.
06:39We have standards here.
06:40And it's not like ABC hasn't done this before.
06:43They suspended Whoopi.
06:44They suspended Brian Ross.
06:46They suspend a lot of people.
06:48A lot of people in this business get suspended when we say obnoxious things.
06:54Racist, sexist, untrue things, unethical things.
06:59It's a high wire act.
07:00And sometimes we screw up.
07:02And he screwed up.
07:03So we got benched.
07:04Big deal.
07:06Sometimes the networks get it right.
07:08And sometimes they get it wrong.
07:09Sometimes they go too far.
07:11And sometimes they don't go far enough.
07:13ABC suspended the reporter who was right about Paul Pelosi.
07:18And then they suspended Kimmel who was wrong about Charlie Kern.
07:24He's not a martyr.
07:25He's a multimillionaire comedian who, if he doesn't want to play in this sandbox with
07:30standards, can do a show for millions on Netflix or Apple TV.
07:34It is funny, though, how the Democrats always defend the crooks, the liars and the snobby
07:40millionaires, whether it's Smollett, whether it's Colbert, this cat, Avenatti or the Maryland
07:47dad.
07:47They never defend families or cops or the working man.
07:51They are more upset about this guy getting suspended than Charlie getting shot.
07:55And they love government censorship.
07:58They were applauding when Joe Biden was telling big tech to censor us for telling the truth
08:04about covid or telling jokes about Fauci.
08:07So everybody needs to chill.
08:09He'll probably come back in a few days and gut fell to be back to whooping his butt.
08:13True.
08:14And that's the thing, Harold, courts have held and we know it better than anyone that hosts
08:19are responsible for what is said on air by themselves and even their guests.
08:24And so for the Screen Actors Guild and the Writers Guild and all these actors to come
08:29out and say what a death to democracy moment this is, aren't quite seeing the forest for
08:34the trees, that it's actually simply a business and a market who, frankly, made the right decision.
08:40So I slightly differ.
08:41Good to be with you and glad to be back around the table.
08:43I think a couple of things.
08:45If you make your living in this world through words, written word, the said word, the spoken
08:51word today or last night might cause you to think differently about where we are.
08:57I watched the president today.
08:59He and I give the president the benefit of the doubt on a lot of things.
09:02He was on Air Force One coming back from a very successful trip in London.
09:06He says they're 97 percent against.
09:08They give me only bad press.
09:10He was talking about the broadcast news.
09:11People get public licenses.
09:12They're getting a license.
09:14I would think maybe their license should be taken away.
09:17It will be up to Brendan Carr.
09:19Now, if you didn't tell me who said that, I would never think that quote was an American
09:24president, Democrat, Republican, whatever.
09:26I would think that that sounds like something Putin would say.
09:29He took one of our own.
09:30Thank God we got him out, Evan.
09:32I would think it's something Orban would say in Hungary.
09:34I would think it'd be something that the North Korea guy would say.
09:38Number two, is SNL next?
09:40The president, in his quote last night, said that NBC ought to be on notice as well.
09:46And Saturday Night Live has done some of the great skits.
09:50I love that first part of it where they take on the political news of the day.
09:53I remember how much they took on Clinton.
09:56I was in Congress at the time.
09:57I had to think Clinton was probably upset.
09:59I laughed about some of the things, some of the things I didn't laugh about.
10:01But it was funny.
10:03They took on H.W. Bush.
10:05There were so many.
10:06They took on Ross Perot when he was running.
10:07They took on W.
10:08They took on Clinton.
10:09They also got rid of Shane Gillis, which means they made a decision about people they didn't
10:15want on the show.
10:16So, Greg, I'd say this to you, brother.
10:17If there's a Democrat that gets elected and he or she decides to come after Greg Guthrie,
10:22I will defend you as much as I'm defending this.
10:25I just think this is a as much as we disagree with what he said.
10:29And some of it was not funny.
10:31What Jimmy Kimmel said, but there were so many aspects of this that we're not talking
10:36about the company next star, which is a great company.
10:39They're in the middle of trying to acquire a company and the person is going to make the
10:42decision about whether or not they can acquire the entity is the FCC and Mr. Carr made that
10:48not run away from that point last night on television on our great Sean Hannity show.
10:52He was quoted last night as saying we can do this the hard way or the easy way.
10:57Again, I would think this was a foreign leader saying this, not the United States.
11:01So some of this humor I don't like and I don't laugh at some of this stuff at night.
11:05But I'm just not convinced that the state should be deciding free press.
11:11And more importantly, when Mr. President, when President Trump said he has no talent,
11:15he should be off.
11:16I didn't realize that the person that would be deciding whether or not talent should be
11:20on television would be the president of the United States.
11:23There's no doubt people get suspended for things that they say or that they don't say
11:26or the way they say it in networks.
11:28And for that matter, companies have every right to do that.
11:31But I would only say to Mr. Carr, who said that these broadcast licenses, that these people
11:36have to act in the public interest.
11:38And he said they have every right to go get a podcast or go online.
11:41Think about this.
11:42On most broadcast shows, news shows, the local licenses, they can't have a show for 30 minutes
11:48on how to build a Molotov cocktail.
11:49You know why?
11:50Because it's not in the public interest.
11:51They can't tell you how to build a nuclear bomb.
11:53You know why?
11:53It's not in the public interest.
11:54But you can do it here.
11:56Mr. Carr, spend some of your time trying to figure out how we regulate these people,
12:00how we regulate the radicalization and all of this stuff online that's pummeling our
12:05kids and pummeling our society as much as you are this.
12:08The courts, you're right, Emily, will make the determination here.
12:11But I got to tell you, I'm a little alarmed today because I can't believe we're going
12:15to allow the government to tell us what's funny, what's not, and what's permissible.
12:18Can I just respond?
12:20Because there's a couple of things in there that I'm not following.
12:23This is a public, it's a public license.
12:26Trump can say whatever he wants.
12:29But if there is a, if you, if, look, I think what you're arguing about is the role of the
12:34FCC.
12:35It has nothing to do with Trump.
12:36That's Trump, sir.
12:37Yeah, no, but no, I'm talking about the idea of the FCC, something that oversees a finite
12:43good, which is three networks.
12:45It seems kind of irrelevant and outdated.
12:46But then you switch over and you start talking about podcasts and stuff.
12:49Well, the FCC doesn't deal with that.
12:51He said they don't deal with that.
12:52And that's where he should go.
12:53I'm saying the public interest, you cannot on a, on the, on the, on the, I understand
12:57how to build a Molotov cocktail.
12:58You know why?
12:58Because it's not in the public interest.
13:00It's, we used to allow these guys to tell these jokes because we thought the marketplace
13:03right.
13:03If you either watch them or you don't watch it, I guess what I'm saying is if you want
13:07to build a Molotov cocktail and you can't do it on these three networks, that doesn't
13:13mean you're being censored.
13:14You're going to go off and do it somewhere else.
13:16So I'm agreeing with you.
13:17Greg, I'm saying that's what he should be spending his time on.
13:19I don't think he can.
13:19I'm taking the license.
13:20The president said they're getting a license.
13:22I would think maybe they're, this is, these are his words, should be taken away.
13:26The focus should be, I believe, that was, I was just making a zolata point.
13:29The focus should be on these online guys.
13:32That's where the danger in the public interest is being compromised, attacked, and I believe
13:36being pushed backwards every day of the week.
13:38But those are private.
13:39They're not public.
13:40I don't know how you, but anyway.
13:41The FCC, they still have to approve, I'm sorry, Emily, but if one of these private
13:45guys tries to buy a private guy, like, they have to be approved by the FCC.
13:48That's where he should be spending his time, I think.
13:51I didn't mean to dominate the time.
13:52It still actually doesn't address what's at issue here.
13:54Because the president can say what he wants, but because this isn't actually an autocracy,
13:58the reality is that it doesn't matter what he says because the FCC is the governing body.
14:02So, indeed, if I start running up and down 6th Avenue, screaming with my head off and
14:06no clothes on, then I'll probably be terminated.
14:08When is that happening?
14:09What time is that?
14:10Well, there's the morals clause in your contract.
14:13Exactly.
14:14So, at the end of the day, this is an employee in this realm, guys, and he can indeed start
14:18his own podcast.
14:19We all have lots of clauses in our contracts, and I'm sure Jimmy Kimmel does, too.
14:24I work, my day job is I work for a local Fox affiliate.
14:28You do a darn good job on my day.
14:29I've been there a number of times because, by the way, Jesse, I've made some mistakes,
14:33not grand, to have me pulled off the air.
14:36But what I will say is that there are rules and regulations.
14:40We have lawyers come in once a year and kind of refresh everybody's memories on what we're
14:45allowed to say.
14:46There are boundaries.
14:48What Jimmy Kimmel said on the air was false, even today in the New York Times.
14:54And I'm going to quote them.
14:56Criminal charges filed on Tuesday portray Mr. Robinson as a left-leaning assassin who
15:03praised LGBTQ views.
15:06They didn't say anything about MAGA.
15:09He was not part of the MAGA game.
15:10But I will tell you this.
15:13This is a time where all of us really should kind of take a deep breath.
15:16My mother always told me, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it.
15:22We're on cable TV.
15:25But a young man was assassinated.
15:28Let's turn down the rhetoric a little bit.
15:30I don't think we need to hear that lecture right now.
15:32I think right now we're talking about something that is being put on us.
15:36So the lecture of turn down the rhetoric or whatever, it sounds nice, but I'm not going
15:43to hear it.
15:44Also, the same people that are right now horrified by this termination were the same
15:49people that applauded the instant you question a vaccine or the instant you question government
15:54decisions.
15:55And that was the government that they were applauding.
15:57That is actually where they need to think about.
15:59They need to think about.
16:00You guys were against that.
16:01You guys were.
16:02And I was with you.
16:03But this is entertainment.
16:04That's my point.
16:05This is not.
16:05This is not question.
16:07OK.
16:08We have to go.
16:09But free speech is a different bucket against the government other than just.
16:12And by the way, the view, they didn't even touch it today on their best behavior on their
16:17best and their ABC.
16:19All right, guys, well, up next, the days of burning courthouses and terrorizing communities
16:24is over.
16:25President Trump is not messing around anymore, labeling Antifa as a terrorist organization.
16:30And he told Martha McCollum this.
16:34We're going to do a big thing with respect to Antifa.
16:38It's a sick group.
16:38I've been very, very sick group.
16:40You said millions and millions of dollars going towards some of these groups for agitation
16:46the other day.
16:47They're agitators.
16:47Who are they?
16:48And where's the money coming from?
16:49Is it foreign entities?
16:51It's a terrorist organization, in my opinion.
16:53And we're going to find out.
16:55All those questions are going to be answered.
16:58All right, Harold.
16:59I was watching Congressman Dan Goldman today said, Antifa, it doesn't exist.
17:05Does it?
17:06Democrats think it doesn't exist?
17:08Well, I'm a Democrat.
17:09I don't speak for all of them, but I think it does exist.
17:12I talked a long time in the last segment, so I'm just going to say this.
17:15I'm for it, Mr. President.
17:16And I hope while you draw that executive order up, you ought to include the Ku Klux Klan as
17:21well.
17:22Greg, where do you think George Soros fits in?
17:26Ah.
17:27I don't know.
17:27I haven't talked to him lately.
17:29I've got to return those calls.
17:30He leaves the longest voicemail messages.
17:32I think what's amazing is always the media's take on this.
17:36For the longest time, they were saying speech is violence.
17:40That's why they would go after Trump for his colorful sayings.
17:43Unless the speech literally encourages violence, whether it's river to the sea or shouting intifada,
17:50then suddenly it's just words.
17:52It's just freedom of speech.
17:53I don't think it was ever really about Antifa.
17:57It's about our leaders who shed their responsibility in protecting the community from them in favor
18:02of this kind of suicidal empathy that Gad Saad talks about.
18:06That excused the violent anarchy because we were supposed to empathize with these outsiders.
18:12I put Antifa in the same bucket as BLM and trans, and I'll throw in the KKK, Harold,
18:17to make you happy, in which they demand us, Antifa, BLM, trans, KKK.
18:23They demanded us to submit to their brand of militant grievance.
18:28You know, if you did not agree, if you did not kneel or take a pronoun, you were the enemy.
18:34If you said boys are boys and girls are girls, you were a bigot and you got a target on your back.
18:39So it's like Antifa is a very small group of losers and miscreants and buffoons.
18:44So it's about the leaders, and I'm going to say this, nearly all of them Democrats,
18:49who chose to appease radicals over the safety of Americans because to them it was a virtue signal
18:55when it really was just suicide.
18:57OK, Jesse, I mean, how do you think?
19:02I mean, we've seen a lot of these protests, mostly peaceful, turn into violence at some point.
19:09But but there was always you saw like some kind of organizational group behind them.
19:16I mean, how difficult is it going to be to find out the source of this?
19:20Well, you're going to have to infiltrate Antifa, so you're going to have to have some sort of
19:24transgender FBI agent go undercover for a while.
19:27I don't know if they have that at the Bureau.
19:29It's a great movie, but they could try it.
19:32They've been causing violence and mayhem for a long time, and everyone's treated them like
19:36a little nuisance, but they have to be treated seriously.
19:39They shot and killed someone out West.
19:42They shot a cop.
19:44They've punched people in the throats.
19:46They've fired commercial grade fireworks in the faces of federal law enforcement.
19:50They laid siege to a federal courthouse.
19:53They occupy courthouses.
19:54They bomb cop cars.
19:56They bomb Teslas.
19:57They're not very nice people.
19:59It's not like they're doing this for health care reform.
20:02They want to overthrow the federal government.
20:05That's an anarchist and anarchists in our history.
20:08They've assassinated presidents.
20:10They firebombed the townhouses of attorney generals.
20:13You got to take these guys seriously.
20:14Joe Biden took the threat of white supremacists, domestic terrorists seriously, and investigated
20:20them.
20:21Surely we can investigate the domestic terror threat from Antifa because the money is suspicious.
20:27Where do they get the body armor?
20:29Why do they always have the best equipment and technology?
20:33Why do they look all tacked out constantly?
20:35And then when they get arrested, they have bail money and the best lawyers.
20:39So they never, ever face any charges.
20:42Who's paying the lawyers?
20:43That's what I want to know.
20:44You bring up some interesting points.
20:46I mean, also, Emily, I mean, a lot of people think, you know, the Democratic Party, because
20:51they don't have a real leader right now, that it's going to be very difficult to find out
20:58the source.
21:00Yes.
21:00I think I think the real challenge here is actually the fact that we don't quite have
21:04the legal framework for designating domestic terror organizations as we do foreign.
21:10And the reality is that our laws addressing domestic terrorism are sort of patchwork.
21:15And sure, there's federal within the Patriot Act, but it doesn't have the same teeth as
21:19the one that we have for designating foreign terrorist groups.
21:22And so with that brings a whole host of issues.
21:24Everyone's been talking about sort of the amorphous quality of that, which means that it's going
21:28to be difficult to identify under the parameters of the existing law who actually is leading it,
21:33but for the funding.
21:36And that's exactly what I've been arguing about the cartels, is that if you follow the
21:39money, then there's a whole host of laws that you can throw behind the laundering and the
21:44extortion and the hiding and all of these things and providing the material support.
21:48But to me, it's incumbent upon Congress.
21:50They have to draft actual legislation that will back up the president's designation because
21:57it doesn't automatically flip a switch and kick in the resources that a foreign terrorist
22:00designation does.
22:02And right now, the resolutions that they have passed in the past, that doesn't have that
22:06same lingering effect, that it doesn't stick around like actual laws do.
22:10So unfortunately for this, because free speech is so protected, all of these guys are going
22:15to say, no, that was just me protesting my government.
22:17And what body are you talking about?
22:19I don't know anything.
22:20So we've got to have a more solidified legislative body so that that can be the armor and that
22:26can be the teeth that drives this vehicle that the president aims to do.
22:29But the bottom line is something has to kneecap this body.
22:33There is one thing missing here, too, and that's journalists.
22:36There's only one guy, Andy Ngo, who at great risk to his life is the only journalist that
22:42has kept the spotlight and he's gotten his ass kicked by them.
22:47But there's no other journalists that are helping him out.
22:50We should make this a part of the crime bill.
22:52Everything you said, Congress should pass a crime bill and let this be part of it.
22:55And include the KKK.
22:56Yes.
22:57We're going to definitely include that.
22:58All of those attorneys are going to be defending these sick wastes of flesh and they're going
23:02to win in court.
23:03So it's up to Congress to combat this and get up on the front lines before they do.
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