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Congress leader Rahul Gandhi and RJD leader Tejashwi Yadav's Voter Adhikar Yatra might have ended, but one incident where a Congress worker abused Prime Minister Modi and his late mother continues to set the political agenda for the BJP.
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00:00All right viewers, now the voter Adhikar Yatra in Bihar of Rahul Gandhi and Tejwasvi might have ended.
00:07Having said that, the politics over one incident that happened in that Yatra is still peaking.
00:14The latest entrant in that amphitheater is the Prime Minister himself,
00:18who was abused on the 27th of August by a Congress worker.
00:22What will this lead to?
00:24Can Prime Minister convert an abuse into a political opportunity?
00:30Take a look.
00:36Rahul Gandhi and Tejwasvi Yatra's vote Adhikar Yatra might have ended,
00:41but one incident in it continues to set the political agenda for the BJP.
00:49An incident where a Congress worker abused Prime Minister.
00:52Now the Prime Minister himself has stepped into the theatre of abuse politics.
00:58Prime Minister Narendra Modi today speaking virtually to Bihari women,
01:03broke his silence over an abuse hurled at him and his mother in a Congress RGD rally on 27th September.
01:10Prime Minister Narendra Modi,
01:40Late Wednesday, after the Lok Sabha leader of opposition, Rahul Gandhi left the venue in Darbhanga of Vote Adhikar Yatra,
01:53one Congress worker has abused Prime Minister Modi from the stage.
01:57The abusive Congress worker was arrested and sent to judicial custody.
02:12The BJP then, including the Union Home Minister, had attacked the Congress for fostering a culture of abuse.
02:18Congress on the other hand maintained, it was not a Congress worker but someone else,
02:39insinuating a plan by the BJP itself.
02:42With the Prime Minister now himself stepping in, getting emotional, referring to his dead mother.
02:48Will this politically put the Mahagat Bandhan on the back foot with the Bihari woman vote?
03:12The opposition leaders, though, took a sharp dig at the ruling party and its leaders,
03:17allegedly reminding them of a history of using derogatory language against political opponents.
03:24In 2004, Narendra Modi in BJP's Bharat Udaya Yatra called Sonia Gandhi a jersey cow
03:31and Astana Rahul Gandhi a hybrid calf.
03:34He later apologised for both.
03:36In recent years, the leader of opposition in West Bengal Assembly in 2022 parliamentary election campaign
03:43used highly derogatory language against Rahul Gandhi.
03:47What remains to be seen is, will the Prime Minister emotionally
04:17a key track with the voters of Bihar, especially the women voters?
04:21Remember, Congress leader Manish Shankar Aiyar calling Narendra Modi neech in 2017
04:26and a chaiwala in 2014 had caused the Congress dearly.
04:31While even though it was not abusive, but what some thought was derogative.
04:36When the Prime Minister campaigning in West Bengal in 2021 election
04:41had referred to Mamata Banerjee as Didi Odidi.
04:44This was played big by the TMC as disrespect and had found resonance with the section of Bengali women.
05:00What remains to be seen is, how much will this incident of highly abusive language
05:06used by an alleged Congress worker harm the Congress?
05:09Sometimes all it takes is one emotive issue.
05:14Bureau Report, India Today.
05:18All right, so sometimes all it takes is one emotive issue.
05:22And we have seen many a times in the past where the BJP and Prime Minister Modi
05:27have converted the worst of abuse into brilliant political opportunities.
05:31The questions that we ask and take to our panelists this evening,
05:34will the abuse gate form Bihar election backdrop?
05:40Can Prime Minister Modi turn abuse into an opportunity?
05:45He's done that before.
05:46Will he be successful in doing it the second time?
05:49Or many a times after that, he's done it.
05:51Will abuse swing voter emotion?
05:54It's known to have happened in many states, especially in favor of the Prime Minister.
06:00Can it happen again?
06:01Let's take all these questions to our political panelists this evening.
06:04Joining me, Rajat Sethi, political commentator.
06:07Ashutosh Aupar, political commentator.
06:09Sanju Verma, national spokesperson.
06:11Bharatiya Janata Party.
06:13Mohan Kumar Mangalam, national spokesperson, Congress.
06:16All of you will get two minutes' time to put your points forward.
06:19I'll begin with the Congress spokesperson, Mr. Kumar Mangalam.
06:21Two minutes, sir.
06:23The fact is, you know, I will play out those graphics,
06:26and there are a legion of graphics,
06:28a legion of, you know, anecdotes when one can go back in instances
06:32where the Prime Minister has converted the worst of abuse into an opportunity.
06:36You can start all the way back to the Chaiwala jibe in 2014,
06:41being called Nietzsche in 2017,
06:43Hydra-headed Ravan in 2020,
06:46to Chowkidar Chor Hai,
06:48which, you know, again was spun over where the Prime Minister was concerned,
06:53to many, many instances.
06:56Is this a huge blunder by the Congress?
07:01Hrithi, I think this is a bit of a cry of desperation,
07:04than a cry out of emotion.
07:06This comment was made by some individual
07:09after the entire convoy had moved on.
07:11There was nobody on stage,
07:12and there is no incontrovertible proof linking this person to the Congress Party.
07:17In fact, there were rumours of this person being from the BJP as well.
07:21So, who actually said something matters?
07:24In this case, also, you, in the beginning of the programme,
07:26we talked about the many ways in which the Prime Minister himself,
07:29and people like the leader of opposition of BJP in Bengal,
07:33have lowered the political discourse,
07:35and said much worse,
07:36from Pachas Karor ki Girlfriend,
07:37to calling the leader of opposition a tube light.
07:40So, much of this has been done,
07:41and this is from them themselves,
07:44you know, from people at that stature.
07:45So, that makes a big, big difference.
07:48Now, as far as whether he can use this for political gain,
07:51if you want my objective opinion,
07:52I would say that if this was something
07:54that someone at a particular level of seniority said,
07:58in that too,
07:59during polling or around time of polling in Bihar,
08:02he might have been able to leverage it like he has in the past.
08:05But you can't repeat the same strategy again and again
08:08and hope for the same outcome.
08:10I mean, you can't keep thinking
08:11that you're going to fool all of the people all of the time.
08:13We've seen this story,
08:14this sort of victim mentality from the Prime Minister
08:16during political campaigns several times.
08:19So, I don't think,
08:20I think the only people who were insulted
08:21in this entire episode
08:23was the intelligence of the voter of Bihar.
08:25If the Prime Minister thinks he can get away
08:27and try and distract them from the real issue at hand,
08:32which is what the yatra is going on about,
08:35I don't think it's going to work anymore.
08:37You have 30 seconds,
08:38but I would like to interject.
08:40We'll hold your time, Mr. Kumara Mangalam.
08:42But the fact is,
08:44it was a Congress worker.
08:45You haven't been able to prove it otherwise.
08:48It was a Congress worker who said what he did.
08:50The abuse was terrible.
08:54You haven't been able to prove it otherwise, sir.
08:56It's all I'm saying.
08:57Sreeti, why is it incumbent on me to prove it?
09:00Otherwise, isn't it incumbent on everybody else
09:02to prove that he is?
09:02Sir, it happened.
09:03No, I'll tell you why.
09:03Someone's presence on a stage.
09:04Because we're getting into an argument.
09:06A debate.
09:07Yes, I know.
09:07But let me finish.
09:08I'll take this time.
09:09Someone's presence on a stage
09:11during when the convoy is moved on.
09:13Everyone's moved away from stage.
09:15You have random people climbing on stage
09:16in political rallies saying things.
09:19On what basis are we responsible for that?
09:21How do we become responsible for the government?
09:23Mr. Kumara Mangalam, number one,
09:24the fact is,
09:26sir, you can't have it both ways.
09:27You can't say that these are the people
09:28who are supporting us
09:29and then if one of the Congress workers,
09:32because on the contrary,
09:34the BJP has been able to,
09:36allegedly, again,
09:38prove that person on stage
09:39was a Congress worker,
09:41that horrible abuse
09:43was chanted by many
09:44who were present there.
09:45Now, you haven't been,
09:47the Congress here,
09:48been able to prove otherwise
09:49that he wasn't a Congress worker,
09:50is all I'm saying.
09:51You might say,
09:52and you're correct,
09:53you're correct that
09:53Rahul Gandhi was in.
09:54Let me also say,
09:55no, no, let me also say
09:56that the person
09:57who organized the program there,
09:59Mohamed Naushad,
10:00who I've known for 20 years,
10:01has never used this kind of language,
10:03actually immediately came out
10:04and apologized for it
10:06after the fact,
10:06even though he was not on stage.
10:08So, just because
10:11he had set out the program,
10:12he immediately condemned it
10:14and apologized.
10:14Alright, you've condemned it
10:15and you've apologized,
10:17you've apologized for it,
10:18but the fact remains
10:19that abuse was echoed
10:22after a rally
10:23was where your leaders
10:25had left the stage.
10:27But that abuse was echoed.
10:28Now, that can be translated
10:29multiple ways
10:30where politics is concerned.
10:32So, you can't really
10:33blame the BJP
10:34or any political leader
10:37for using it.
10:38This is the nature of politics.
10:39You do that too.
10:40Now, allow me to,
10:41okay, I'll come back to you.
10:42Allow me to bring in
10:43the BJP spokesperson
10:43into this conversation.
10:45Sanju Verma,
10:46it's terrible
10:47where abuse is concerned.
10:49The Prime Minister himself
10:50clearly got emotional today
10:52where he referred to the abuse.
10:54But there's a larger question there.
10:55It's not the first time
10:56that, you know,
10:58abuse has entered politics,
11:00unfortunately,
11:01and it cuts both ways.
11:03There are multiple examples
11:04coming in from your side as well.
11:08You know, Preeti,
11:09let me make one thing
11:10absolutely clear
11:11that in the past
11:13if the Prime Minister
11:13made some comments,
11:15he duly apologised.
11:17But the difference is
11:18that the top brass
11:19of the Congress
11:19beat Sonia Gandhi,
11:20Rahul Gandhi,
11:21or Priyanka Vadra.
11:22With rabid impunity,
11:23they are trying
11:24to brazen it out,
11:25thinking if they brazen it out,
11:27it will all be
11:28shoved under the carpet.
11:29You know,
11:30you have abused,
11:31when I say you,
11:31I mean the Congress Party.
11:33You have abused
11:34the Prime Minister
11:34more than,
11:36you know,
11:37your fair share
11:38in the last 20 plus years.
11:40But abusing
11:41the Prime Minister's
11:42dead mother,
11:43that is taking
11:44political discourse
11:45to a new low.
11:46And I've not forgotten
11:47in 2023,
11:49Pawan Khera,
11:50you know,
11:50who acts all
11:51hoity-toity
11:52and, you know,
11:52holier-than-thou attitude
11:53is what he assumes
11:56most of the time.
11:57He actually took a jive
11:58at the Prime Minister's father,
11:59calling him
12:00Narendra Gautam Das Modi
12:03instead of
12:03Narendra Dambodhar Das Modi.
12:05Mohamed Rizvi,
12:06a Congress worker,
12:07used,
12:08you know,
12:09the most vituperative
12:10language against
12:11the Prime Minister
12:12and the same
12:12Priyanka Vadra
12:13who says,
12:14larki hoon larsakti hoon,
12:16the same Sonia Gandhi
12:17who talks about
12:18women empowerment,
12:19the same Rahul Gandhi
12:20who talks about
12:21mohabbat ki dukaan,
12:23in sabke moon-me
12:24taala lag gaya.
12:25Shame on the Congress Party.
12:27And let your audience
12:28hear this.
12:29Mohd ka sawdagar
12:30against the PM
12:31told by Sonia Gandhi.
12:33Niche Manishankaraiya
12:34called the PM.
12:35Anand Sharma
12:36called the PM
12:37mentally unstable.
12:38Pramod Tiwari,
12:39a Congress leader,
12:40called the Prime Minister
12:41Hitler, Mussolini, Gaddafi.
12:43There are people
12:43from the Congress
12:44who called the Prime Minister
12:45Bandar, Kutta.
12:47Beni Prasad Verma
12:48called the Prime Minister
12:49a mad dog.
12:50And then,
12:51you have people
12:52like Renuka Chaudhly
12:53who compared
12:53the Prime Minister
12:54to a virus.
12:55So I think
12:56for the Congress
12:56to be sitting here
12:57on national television
12:58and giving lectures
13:00to the BJP
13:01on decorum,
13:02dignity and probity
13:03is the height
13:04of hypocrisy.
13:06Why drag the
13:06Prime Minister's mother?
13:08Are you not ashamed
13:09of it?
13:09All right.
13:11Okay, but you know,
13:12I'll circle back to you,
13:13Sanju Verma,
13:14because when the Prime Minister
13:15apologised,
13:16when of course he wasn't
13:17in the office of Prime Minister,
13:18it was because he said
13:19those words.
13:21Therefore, he apologised,
13:22which is great.
13:23But in this case,
13:25it's a Congress worker,
13:27which the Congress
13:27alleges is not even
13:28their worker,
13:29number one.
13:30Number two,
13:31forget about all of this.
13:32As recent as one year ago,
13:34you have a Suvendu Adhikari
13:35who used,
13:37you know,
13:38well,
13:39near exact abuse
13:40as the Congress worker.
13:42Was any action
13:43taken against him
13:43by the BJP?
13:44Absolutely not.
13:45He continues,
13:46he never apologised
13:46and he continues
13:47to be the leader
13:48of opposition.
13:49So therefore,
13:49it cuts both ways
13:50is all I'm saying
13:51and I'll circle back to you.
13:52I want to bring in
13:53Ashutosh into this conversation
13:54and Rajat Sethi.
13:55Ashutosh,
13:56the fact is,
13:57look back
13:58at political history.
13:59Every time the Prime Minister
14:00has been abused,
14:02it's been turned
14:03into a brilliant
14:03political opportunity.
14:05Go back to when Lalu
14:06in 3rd of March 2024
14:09questioned Prime Minister
14:10whether he has
14:12a pariwar
14:12or a family.
14:14What it turned out
14:15to be?
14:15Modi ka pariwar.
14:17Go back
14:17to what Sanjay Raut
14:19from UBT Shivseina
14:21said
14:21where he
14:22basically
14:23questioned
14:24the Prime Minister
14:25linking him to
14:26Aurangzeb.
14:27The Prime Minister
14:28turned it around.
14:30Go back
14:30again,
14:31you know,
14:31we can
14:31Modi teri kabar khudegi
14:33we know
14:34what that
14:34turned into.
14:35Modi
14:36tera kamal khilega.
14:38You know,
14:38chaukidar chor hai.
14:41All of that,
14:43Ashutosh,
14:44was converted
14:44into brilliant
14:45political opportunity
14:46by the BJP.
14:47Has the Congress
14:48offered this
14:49on a platter?
14:49Preeti,
14:52I very
14:53seriously
14:53I beg
14:54to differ
14:54with your
14:55assumptions
14:56and your
14:56premise.
14:57I do not
14:58agree even
14:58one percent
14:59on this.
15:00Yes,
15:01Mr.
15:01Narendra Modi
15:01is a Prime
15:03Minister.
15:04He is our
15:04Prime Minister.
15:05So,
15:05anybody who
15:06abuses him
15:06abuses us
15:07also.
15:08It's a
15:09condemnable act.
15:09It's a
15:09despicable act
15:11and right
15:11that the
15:12person abused
15:13was arrested.
15:13But what
15:15about those
15:15who has
15:16abused
15:16about that
15:18national
15:18spokesperson
15:19of the BJP
15:20who abused
15:20in a live
15:21TV debate
15:22to the
15:22fellow
15:23Congress
15:23panelist?
15:25He continued
15:26to be a
15:26national
15:27spokesperson.
15:28He continues
15:29to appear
15:29on the
15:30TV channels.
15:31BJP has
15:32not taken
15:32one action
15:34against him.
15:35So,
15:36yes,
15:37abusers
15:38should not
15:38be there.
15:39But you
15:40can't be
15:40selective about
15:41who is being
15:42abused and
15:43who is not
15:43being abused.
15:44I understand
15:45that the
15:45Prime Minister
15:45has a
15:46brilliant mind.
15:47He tries
15:47to use
15:48every opportunity
15:49and try to
15:51turn into
15:51the political
15:52thing.
15:54But just
15:55because
15:56Prime Minister
15:57is playing
15:58a victim
15:58card and
15:59has played
16:00victim card
16:00in the past
16:01does not
16:02mean that
16:02the Prime
16:02Minister
16:02is there
16:03for the
16:04third term
16:05because of
16:06the abusers
16:06hurled at
16:07him and
16:07he turned
16:07into a
16:08victim card.
16:09He is
16:10there because
16:10he has a
16:11brilliant
16:11political
16:11understanding
16:12and he
16:13knows how
16:13to play
16:14to the
16:14gallery and
16:15he has
16:15a weak
16:17opposition.
16:18So,
16:18I do not
16:19subscribe when
16:20the Prime
16:20Minister won
16:21in 2014
16:21because of
16:22the Chayawala
16:22jive or
16:23because of
16:23the somebody
16:24called him
16:24other kinds
16:25of names.
16:27In 2014,
16:28he brilliantly
16:29converted the
16:30entire opposition
16:31weakness and
16:32the corruption
16:32charges into
16:33a political
16:33thing and
16:34he got to
16:3572-82
16:36seats.
16:37So,
16:38politics is
16:38not so
16:39simple that
16:40one abuse
16:40can turn the
16:41election.
16:41It has
16:42never
16:42happened.
16:43It will
16:43not happen
16:44and it's
16:45only he's
16:45trying to
16:46emotionally
16:46connect with
16:47the people
16:47which it
16:47would have
16:48been better
16:48if the
16:49Prime Minister
16:49has come
16:50out openly
16:50and sacked
16:51his national
16:52spokesperson
16:53who abused
16:54a fellow
16:55panelist.
16:55You know,
16:56Ashutosh,
16:57one thing is
16:57correct and
16:58nobody is
16:58trying to
16:58imply that
16:59it's
16:59oversimplification
17:00to suggest
17:00that one
17:01abuse is
17:01going to
17:01swing an
17:02election.
17:02Of course,
17:02that's not
17:03happened.
17:03It didn't
17:04happen in
17:042014 with
17:05the Chayawala
17:05jive and
17:06it didn't
17:06happen with
17:07Chowkidar Chorhae
17:09in 2019 as
17:10well.
17:10But it does
17:11somewhere down
17:12the line
17:12bring another
17:14emotive layer
17:15to a cohesive
17:16campaign and
17:17that has
17:17happened.
17:18It's also
17:18worked against
17:19the Prime
17:19Minister and
17:20you can
17:20hark back to
17:21the Didi
17:21Jive in
17:22West Bengal.
17:23It's
17:23happened.
17:24So, you
17:25know, I
17:25want to
17:25bring in
17:25Rajat Sethi
17:26into this.
17:27Rajat, how
17:28do you read
17:29with the
17:30current
17:30developments,
17:31the Prime
17:31Minister today
17:32clearly getting
17:33emotional,
17:34would you
17:35think this
17:36will somewhere
17:36down the
17:37line strike
17:37a chord
17:38as emotive
17:39as it can
17:40be with
17:40especially the
17:41Bihari women
17:41because he
17:42was addressing
17:42Bihari women
17:43today?
17:46See, I,
17:47again, it's
17:48shameful if I
17:49were to
17:49venture into
17:50the domain
17:50where I
17:51were to
17:51evaluate an
17:52abuse that
17:53was made
17:53to a
17:55mother on
17:56electoral
17:57terms.
17:58One thing
17:59is clear,
18:00Congress and
18:01Mr. Rahul
18:01Gandhi himself
18:02made a
18:03huge moral
18:03blunder.
18:04Forget about
18:05political blunder
18:06but not
18:06coming out
18:07and, you
18:08know,
18:08admonishing
18:09this person.
18:10There were
18:11cross-questions,
18:12motives were
18:12questioned,
18:13all kinds
18:13of, you
18:14know,
18:14theories were
18:15floated before
18:16the party
18:17could come
18:17out.
18:18Otherwise,
18:19you see
18:19Congress,
18:20party and
18:20especially
18:21Mr.
18:21Rahul
18:21Gandhi is
18:22pretty eager
18:22to tweet
18:22on every
18:23rather random
18:23thing.
18:24Why did he
18:24not come out
18:25and tweet
18:25exactly what
18:26was expected
18:27out of him?
18:28All that was
18:28expected was to
18:29say, I am
18:30ashamed and
18:31I am sorry.
18:32This would have
18:32ended the debate
18:33and all the
18:34chatter that we
18:34are having
18:35today and the
18:36full stop could
18:36have come to
18:37the entire issue.
18:38Now, you want
18:38to exclusively
18:39serve it as a
18:40political pointer
18:41to the BJP.
18:42BJP workers will
18:43get emotional.
18:44See, this is
18:45one leader,
18:46Prime Minister
18:46Modi, who is
18:47unlike any other
18:48leader that
18:48this country
18:49has seen,
18:49he draws in
18:50a huge emotional
18:51appeal among
18:52the people and
18:52among the
18:53workers.
18:54So, there will
18:55be reactions and
18:56you saw the
18:56reactions panning
18:57out even in the
18:57streets of
18:58Patna.
18:59Let people in
18:59Congress party
19:00giggle around
19:01an abusive
19:01issue.
19:02They don't
19:03have an
19:03iota of shame
19:04left in them
19:04that on such
19:05a serious
19:05topic they have
19:06the audacity
19:07to come out
19:07and giggle
19:08on a live
19:08television.
19:09I am
19:09embarrassed to
19:10even share
19:10panel with
19:11these morons.
19:13Now, let me
19:13come back to
19:14the point here.
19:15Look at
19:17India Alliance.
19:18Look at
19:18India Alliance.
19:20It has
19:20members of
19:21parliament who
19:21tend to
19:22be the voice
19:24of women.
19:24But let me
19:25tell you,
19:25the women of
19:26our country
19:27have been
19:27most let
19:27down by
19:28women politicians.
19:29They never
19:29open their
19:30mouth when
19:30on every
19:32women issue
19:32they should
19:33not have
19:33taken
19:33partisan
19:34positions and
19:34they should
19:35have come
19:35out and
19:36stood as
19:36one and
19:38as united.
19:39But let me
19:40tell you here,
19:41people like
19:41Mahua Mahitra
19:42will never
19:43get respect
19:44from the
19:44people and
19:45the women
19:45of this
19:45country because
19:46they are so
19:46political in
19:47everything that
19:48they utter out.
19:49That's what I
19:49wanted to say.
19:50Alright, you
19:51know, one
19:51second, I
19:51just want to,
19:52I just would
19:55like to request
19:56all of you to
19:57not get abusive
19:58on the show.
19:58You know, there's
19:59no point getting
20:00into name calling.
20:01Just, it's a
20:02subtle reminder to
20:03everyone.
20:04You know, it
20:04is, it's true
20:05that, you
20:06know, that even
20:07women politicians
20:08are responsible.
20:09Sanju Verma had
20:10given the example
20:11of Renuka
20:11Chaudhary, but
20:12Renuka Chaudhary
20:13also, Sanju Verma
20:16faced a jive by
20:17the Prime Minister
20:18being called
20:18Shrupan Kha,
20:19Shrupan Kha, if I'm
20:20not wrong.
20:21And correct me if
20:21I'm wrong.
20:22But I'll go to,
20:23you know, Mr.
20:24Kumara Manglam and
20:24then I'll come to
20:25Sanju Verma first.
20:27Mr.
20:28Kumara Manglam, you
20:28know, the fact is
20:29one might say that
20:30why are we dragging
20:33it into the realms
20:33of politics and
20:34Bihar, but it is
20:35also and practically
20:37about Bihar
20:38elections.
20:39The language, the
20:41commentary, yes, it's
20:42disgraceful that there
20:43was an abuse that was
20:44hurled.
20:45Congress has chosen the
20:47best way that they feel
20:48to deal with it, whether
20:49it's correct, incorrect,
20:50we'll only know in times
20:51to come.
20:51But the fact is that the
20:53rhetoric is being used
20:55where Bihar is
20:56concerned.
20:59Yes, without a doubt, I
21:00mean, this is pointed to
21:01the Bihari voter and
21:03even though I have
21:04which could be
21:05detrimental for you.
21:06No, no, I don't think
21:08it'll be detrimental.
21:08I made a point earlier
21:09in my monologue when I
21:11said why it won't,
21:12because I think it
21:12matters who actually
21:14abused and when that
21:16abuse was made.
21:17When I contested
21:18elections, I'll tell you
21:19from a personal
21:20standpoint, this
21:22happened to me as
21:22well, that during my
21:23campaign, I was
21:24contesting in an
21:26assembly that was
21:27right next to the
21:27sitting chief ministers
21:28and a day before
21:30polling, someone came
21:31and abused that
21:32chief minister's mother
21:33and it completely
21:34turned around.
21:35So I'm very well
21:35aware of how an
21:37abuse like this, if
21:38made by someone in
21:39a particular position
21:41of power against
21:42a sitting, you know,
21:43against someone like,
21:44you know, Mr. Modi,
21:45the prime minister, it
21:47can turn against.
21:47But I'm telling you, it
21:48matters who made the
21:49abuse and it also
21:51matters when the
21:52abuse is made.
21:53We are far from both
21:54those scenarios.
21:55And let me say that,
21:56you know, the reason
21:57I smiled and much to
22:00Rajas Chagran is that
22:01the way you set the
22:02narrative matters a lot.
22:04He, you know, demeaned
22:05Mr. Gandhi by saying
22:06he tweets about any
22:07random thing.
22:08He then went over to
22:09Lord, the prime
22:10minister.
22:11I mean, if you want to
22:11be a shill, just be a
22:12shill.
22:13There's no problem.
22:14I have no problem with
22:14that.
22:15Try not to call other
22:17people names who
22:18disagree with you.
22:19This is a very good
22:20example of how people
22:22on the right, we
22:22shade the atmosphere.
22:24At this point, I have
22:25not called anybody names.
22:27But if you notice, they
22:28got themselves so
22:29worked up that they
22:31had to come out and
22:31insult me in any way
22:32possible.
22:33And this is what I mean
22:34by who starts it.
22:36When you shade the
22:37atmosphere with words
22:38that you use, there is
22:39no telling what comes
22:41out of the, you know,
22:42the churn that occurs.
22:43And let me say that, I
22:44again repeated that, we
22:47have absolutely no proof
22:48that this man, even
22:49though on your show
22:50you've said several
22:50times, was a congress
22:52worker.
22:52In some places I've even
22:53read he's a youth
22:53congress worker, which I
22:54know for a fact, he's
22:56absolutely not.
22:57If he is a congress
22:58worker, I'm sure he'll
22:59have a membership card.
23:00If he's a youth
23:00congress worker, he'll
23:01100% have a membership
23:02card.
23:03The fact is, you know,
23:05let me say this again.
23:06It's something that we
23:07did speak of earlier on
23:08in the show.
23:09The BJP alleges by the
23:11virtue of the card that
23:12you're talking about,
23:13that he is a congress
23:15worker, right?
23:16Now, the congress
23:17hasn't been able to
23:18prove otherwise.
23:19Because you've had
23:19ample time, you could
23:20have said he's not a
23:21congress worker.
23:22And forbish that proof
23:24alongside.
23:24That hasn't happened,
23:25is all I'm trying to
23:26suggest, right?
23:27You might say he's a
23:28random congress worker,
23:29but the fact is, he was
23:30on that stage.
23:32It might have happened
23:32later.
23:33Optics sometimes just, you
23:36know, prove a point which
23:38you might not want to
23:39accept, but whatever, you
23:40know, the point on that
23:41account is.
23:42Sanju Verma, I know you
23:43want to come in.
23:44Rajat wanted to redond,
23:45but Rajat, allow me to
23:46circle to everyone and I'll
23:47come back to you right
23:47after that.
23:48Sanju Verma, to bring you
23:49into this conversation,
23:51like I said, you know,
23:52there's nobody kosher in
23:53all of this, Sanju Verma.
23:54You had named Renuka
23:55Choudhury.
23:55Renuka Choudhury herself
23:56has faced, you might not
23:59call it abuse, but it's
24:00also a jibe when somebody
24:01is called Shrupankha for
24:02laughing the way she
24:03laughed.
24:04And that jibe she faced
24:05directly from the
24:06Prime Minister.
24:10Priti, you know, and
24:11please now don't get
24:12offended.
24:13Let's get one thing very,
24:15very clear.
24:16When Renuka Choudhury was
24:18laughing hilariously, she
24:19was asked by the chair of
24:21the house to stop because
24:22the Prime Minister wanted
24:23to make his comment on a
24:24very serious subject.
24:26The Prime Minister did not
24:27directly name Renuka
24:28Choudhury.
24:29So I take strong objection
24:30to you continuously, you
24:32know, bringing this
24:33Renuka Choudhury issue and
24:34saying that the Prime
24:35Minister had called her
24:36Shrupankha.
24:37He did not.
24:38I say this on your show,
24:39he did not name her.
24:40So let's get that fact
24:41very clear.
24:42And my second point is
24:43this.
24:44What about Mahua Mojta?
24:46You know, making fun of
24:47somebody, taking political
24:49jibes, I can still
24:50understand.
24:50She said Amit Shah's head
24:52should be cut and put on
24:54the table.
24:55That is a call for murder
24:57of the Union Home
24:58Minister.
24:58That is not merely taking
25:00potshots politically.
25:02And Mahua Mojta, who is
25:03she?
25:04The same lady who sold
25:07her parliamentary login and
25:08password to a businessman
25:10sitting in Dubai for a pair
25:12of Sergamo heels, a bottle
25:14of Chanel perfume and a
25:16Louis Vuitton back.
25:17And let me say one thing
25:22about Rahul Gandhi.
25:23What did he say prior to
25:24Lok Sabha 2024?
25:25When Modi will die,
25:27you will die.
25:28This country's land,
25:29this country's land,
25:30this country's land,
25:30and he will kill
25:31this Modi.
25:32That is as bad as it gets.
25:36Rahul Gandhi is uncouth,
25:38he's foul-mouthed, and he
25:39does not know when to stop.
25:41And more importantly, he
25:43does not know how to stop.
25:44And now let me say one
25:46more thing for the benefit
25:47of Ashutosh.
25:48You know, I was just on a
25:49debate with him a few
25:50minutes back.
25:51He said BJP spokespersons
25:52engage in whataboutery.
25:53I don't listen to them.
25:54They're abusive, blah, blah,
25:55blah.
25:56I openly condemn what
25:57Prem Shukla said about
25:59Surendra Singh Rajput's
26:00mother.
26:01But Surendra Singh Rajput
26:02also abused in the most
26:04vicious terms, Prem Shukla's
26:06father.
26:07I did not see the likes of
26:08Ashutosh condemning
26:09Surendra Singh Rajput.
26:11That is called whataboutery
26:12by the likes of Big D media.
26:14Which is what Ashutosh
26:15denotes.
26:16Okay, alright.
26:18I'll just hark back to, you
26:20know, the sequence of events.
26:22Because Sanjay Barma, nobody
26:23is saying it's an abuse.
26:24But sometimes there's a lot
26:25of conversation that also
26:26happened in Parliament.
26:27You say that I'm constantly
26:28trying to make a point.
26:29No, I'm not trying to make a
26:30point.
26:30Because you've now tried to
26:31suggest that I'm trying to
26:32build on something that
26:33never really happened.
26:35Rinuka Chaudhuri laughed.
26:36You know, it was
26:37inappropriate for her to
26:38interrupt the Prime
26:39Minister's speech.
26:40The chair asked her to
26:41stop.
26:41She laughed.
26:42And then the next comment
26:43compared her, which came
26:44from the Prime Minister,
26:45the laughter to Shroop
26:47Nakha.
26:47That's what happened, ma'am.
26:49Now, I...
26:49He did not name her
26:50Preeti Chaudhuri.
26:51He did not name
26:52Renuka Chaudhuri.
26:53You're referring to the
26:54laughter of Renuka Chaudhuri.
26:56You're not lying.
26:56Ma'am, nobody's lying.
26:57He did not name
26:57Renuka Chaudhuri.
26:58You know, if you're
26:58going to get into...
26:59It's not a direct...
27:00No, he did not name
27:01Renuka Chaudhuri, Preeti.
27:02Madam, you have a bad
27:03habit of always deflecting.
27:04Madam, nobody's deflecting.
27:06Nobody is deflecting.
27:07No, you are deflecting.
27:08I'm just giving you the
27:09facts.
27:09I'm giving you the facts.
27:10No, you're not.
27:11You're convoluting the facts.
27:12The fair point is you
27:13might not get the facts
27:14on any other channel.
27:15You'll get them here.
27:17So will the Congress.
27:17No, Preeti.
27:18You're twisting the facts.
27:19I'm sorry.
27:20These are the facts.
27:20Go refer to the video.
27:23Go refer to the video.
27:24Happy to share it.
27:25You also refer to the video.
27:26Yes.
27:26The Prime Minister
27:27said it's your name, Renuka Chaudhuri.
27:27Ma'am, go derail the debate.
27:29I want to bring in...
27:29No, you have derailed the debate.
27:31Don't always accuse me.
27:32Right now, do not...
27:33Please, please stop accusing me all the time.
27:35Can I...
27:35Stop accusing me all the time.
27:37Sorry?
27:38What did you say?
27:39No, I said don't accuse me
27:40all the time.
27:41Nobody is accusing you.
27:43Ma'am, I've got to move on.
27:44Yes, that's what you're doing.
27:44If you're not allowing me
27:45to move on,
27:46you are derailing the debate.
27:47It's as simple as that.
27:48Yeah, so please move on.
27:48Can I just get the fader down?
27:50I thought we were on
27:50a two-minute timer.
27:52I just want to move on
27:53to Ashutosh
27:55and I want to go to Rajat.
27:56I'm sure Rajat wants to respond
27:57to the Congress spokesperson.
27:59But Ashutosh, the fact is
28:00horrible language.
28:02One might say
28:03that it's been spoken before.
28:06It's happened before.
28:07He's playing the victim.
28:08No, he's not really playing the victim.
28:10That kind of language
28:11was used on a Congress platform.
28:15See, Priti,
28:16I stopped listening
28:18to the BJP spokesperson.
28:19When they speak,
28:20I mute.
28:22So I don't listen even a word
28:23what he or she is saying.
28:26Because I don't want to
28:26get into all these kinds of things.
28:28Except when I'm in the studio
28:29and I'm attacked,
28:29only then I respond.
28:31So that's my defense mechanism.
28:34But the fact of the matter is
28:36the whole world knew
28:37what words were used
28:39by BJP spokesperson
28:41to Surendra Rajput's mother.
28:45Everybody knows this.
28:47Now if somebody is trying
28:49to give a different turn altogether,
28:52then I can only understand
28:53that you have to justify
28:55yourself.
28:56Because it's become a habit.
28:59It has become a habit.
29:00And this is the
29:01intimidating tactics.
29:03You want to dominate anchors.
29:05You want to dominate debate.
29:06You want to intimidate them.
29:08You want to threaten them.
29:09You want to insult them.
29:10You want to use
29:10all kinds of things.
29:13So that the anchors
29:14are not allowed to
29:16criticize you.
29:18That's the way it has become.
29:20And I, Preeti,
29:22a few years back
29:23when I was in IBM 7,
29:25I threw one Congress
29:26spokesperson
29:27from my debate.
29:29Because he tried
29:29to intimidate me.
29:30I just threw him out
29:32and I did not
29:33let him enter
29:34in my debate ever.
29:36But today
29:36it has become
29:37a rule.
29:39They come prepared.
29:41And I'm told
29:41in private
29:42that they were told
29:43from the above
29:45who control
29:46these media
29:47things
29:48that you have not
29:49defended us
29:50because you have not
29:50abused.
29:51You have not
29:52intimidated.
29:53They apologize
29:54in private.
29:55And I'm sharing
29:56this with you.
29:58I'm sharing
29:59this with you.
29:59Except a few.
30:01One of the very sober
30:02spokespersons
30:03from the BJP
30:03and I told him.
30:05Man, I know you
30:05for the last 20 years.
30:06What happened to you?
30:07He said,
30:08if I don't do this
30:09I will not get
30:10notice
30:11and I will not
30:12get promotion.
30:13That's how it has become.
30:14Okay.
30:14Now we've also
30:15thank you for standing up
30:17and saying for what you did.
30:18But we've also
30:18derailed the debate
30:19but all the panelists
30:21I don't believe
30:21in throwing out anyone.
30:23Everyone's allowed
30:23to have their say
30:24and exactly the time
30:25that they should.
30:26They are free
30:27to abuse me
30:28or their panelists
30:29by using that time
30:30as long as they finish
30:31in two minutes.
30:32Rajat Sethi
30:32you've been waiting
30:33patiently
30:33to make your point
30:36responding to
30:38the Congress spokesperson.
30:39Go ahead.
30:39I want to take
30:40strong objections
30:42to what was said.
30:44You are a woman
30:45panelist
30:46and above everybody
30:47you should be the one
30:48who should ensure
30:49that you know
30:50the statement
30:51that was just made
30:52that okay
30:52the environment
30:54was vitiated
30:55to an extent
30:56that this had to come
30:57and it was part
30:58of the churning.
30:59So there was
31:00an attempt here
31:01on your show.
31:01Again you would not
31:02have paid attention
31:03because with Congress
31:04you go with soft gloves
31:05which you should again
31:07listen to the recording
31:08once again
31:08but the viewers
31:09have heard it.
31:10the attempt
31:12was made
31:12to actually
31:13belittle the cause
31:14belittle what was
31:15being said
31:15and try to gloss over
31:17by saying
31:17what kind of
31:22normalization
31:23are you attempting
31:23at and on your show
31:24and you don't even
31:26care to stop
31:26that person
31:27who's trying to
31:27come in
31:28and repeat
31:28the same mistakes
31:29who essentially
31:30has now become
31:31a part of the DNA
31:32to come out
31:32and abuse
31:33Prime Minister.
31:34You might not
31:35have an issue
31:35with it.
31:36I have an issue
31:36with it.
31:37Many many many
31:38people have
31:38an issue
31:39with it.
31:40Deal with that.
31:40All that was
31:41expected
31:41was an honest
31:42sorry
31:43and that's it
31:44and I'm again
31:45saying
31:45barring this
31:46sorry
31:46and an outright
31:47sorry
31:48nothing else
31:49was expected
31:49from them
31:50but barring this
31:50they'll say
31:50everything else.
31:51They'll come out
31:52with all kinds
31:52of examples.
31:53Ashutosh ji
31:54also started
31:55talking about
31:56all frivolous
31:57conversations
31:57that he had
31:58had one on one.
31:58I can also
31:59say that Ashutosh
32:00himself has said
32:02a lot of things
32:03in private.
32:03He's also gone in
32:04and said a lot
32:05of things
32:05but is there
32:06any point
32:06talking about
32:07those things?
32:08The moot point
32:09here remains
32:09what was said
32:10was absurdity
32:11of the highest
32:12level
32:12the lowest level
32:13of politics
32:14that can reach
32:15to
32:15and also
32:16if Congress
32:18does not
32:18come out openly
32:19to try and tame
32:20all of these
32:21people who try
32:22and reach to
32:23the stages
32:23of Congress
32:24Party
32:24they are going
32:25to face the
32:26heat of common
32:26people
32:27forget about
32:27taking political
32:28sides
32:29but common
32:29people will not
32:30like the way
32:31Congress Party
32:32has tried to
32:33mollycoddle this
32:34issue
32:34and try to gloss
32:35over this issue
32:35deliberately.
32:36Your time is up
32:43Rajat City
32:43and I would
32:44reckon
32:44you know
32:45there's a reason
32:45why we continue
32:46to ask the
32:47questions that
32:48we do
32:48of all
32:48because
32:49if you're
32:51talking about
32:52me
32:52definitely
32:52do not
32:53need or
32:54take
32:54any sermons
32:55from the likes
32:56of you
32:56or anybody
32:57else on the
32:58panel
32:58so I'm
32:59going to
32:59let it
32:59be
32:59but you're
33:00welcome
33:00like I
33:01said
33:01to come
33:02on the
33:02show
33:02use your
33:03two minutes
33:03to attack
33:04me
33:04to attack
33:04your co-panelists
33:05whoever you
33:06may choose
33:06to do
33:06the questions
33:07will come
33:08was it
33:08reprehensible
33:09the abuse
33:10hurled
33:11for the
33:11prime minister
33:12I think
33:12I've said
33:13that at least
33:1310 times
33:14but it's
33:14happened
33:15before
33:15on the
33:16other side
33:16as well
33:16because
33:17the likes
33:18of you
33:19are not
33:19quite used
33:19to hearing
33:20the other
33:20side
33:20on other
33:21channels
33:21on this
33:22channel
33:22you will
33:22you're
33:23most welcome
33:23to come
33:24to my
33:24debate
33:28all right
33:34we have
33:34the latest
33:34news break
33:34that we
33:35are getting
33:35in on
33:36the Delhi
33:37riots case
33:38where Umar
33:38Khalid and
33:39Sharjil Imam
33:40and others
33:41were also
33:41charged
33:42the bail
33:42decline
33:43order
33:43their bail
33:44was declined
33:45by the Delhi
33:46High Court
33:46that order
33:47has now
33:47been accessed
33:48High Court's
33:49big observation
33:50on right
33:51to protest
33:51the High
33:53Court
33:53Delhi High
33:54Court
33:54in the
33:55order
33:55stated
33:56conspitorial
33:58violence
33:59under
33:59garb
33:59of
34:00protest
34:00cannot
34:01be
34:01permitted
34:02such
34:02actions
34:03must
34:03be
34:04regulated
34:04checked
34:05by
34:05state
34:05machinery
34:06Sharjil Imam
34:07Umar Khalid
34:08were denied
34:09bail
34:09this afternoon
34:11by the Delhi
34:11High Court
34:12along with
34:12eight others
34:13in the
34:132020
34:14Delhi
34:15riots
34:15case
34:16to give
34:16our viewers
34:17a bit
34:18of a
34:18backgrounder
34:18today the
34:19Delhi High
34:19Court
34:20denied
34:20bail
34:20to all
34:21accused
34:21in
34:22connection
34:22with the
34:232020
34:23Delhi
34:24riots
34:24larger
34:25conspiracy
34:26case
34:26which
34:27include
34:27Sharjil Imam
34:28and Umar Khalid
34:29they were
34:29all arrested
34:30in
34:302020
34:31Sharjil Imam
34:32actually
34:32was arrested
34:33a little
34:33earlier
34:34under the
34:35stringent
34:35UAPA
34:36provisions
34:37the prosecution
34:37alleged
34:38that Delhi
34:39riots
34:39which left
34:40over 50
34:41deaths
34:41and hundreds
34:41injured
34:42were part
34:43of a
34:43planned
34:43conspiracy
34:44it also
34:45argued
34:45that
34:46Shaheen
34:46Bagh
34:47protest
34:47was not
34:48organic
34:48stating
34:49it was
34:49an
34:50inorganic
34:50and
34:51artificial
34:51protest
34:52used
34:52as a
34:53facade
34:53for
34:53conspiracy
34:54the
34:55accused
34:55sought
34:56bail
34:56citing
34:57over four
34:57years
34:58of
34:58incarceration
34:58and the
34:59slow
35:00pace
35:00of the
35:00trial
35:01the
35:01real
35:01arguments
35:02in the
35:02trial
35:03are yet
35:03to
35:04start
35:04but
35:05bail
35:06has still
35:06not been
35:07given
35:07Omar Khalid
35:08and Sharjil Imam's
35:09lawyers
35:10also argued
35:10for parity
35:11with co-accused
35:12who were
35:12granted bail
35:13they now
35:14have the
35:14option
35:14to challenge
35:15the high
35:16court's
35:16order
35:16in the
35:17top
35:18court
35:18of the
35:18country
35:18I want
35:19to cut
35:19across
35:20to my
35:20colleague
35:21Anisha
35:21Mathur
35:22who's
35:22going to
35:23give us
35:23the finer
35:24points
35:24of the
35:24case
35:25because
35:25Anisha
35:26there is
35:27a huge
35:27segment
35:27which seems
35:28to suggest
35:28five years
35:29in jail
35:30no bail
35:31trial
35:32yet to
35:32start
35:33if this
35:33is not
35:34justice
35:34delayed
35:35then what
35:35is
35:36well
35:37Priti
35:37to
35:38answer
35:39those
35:39who are
35:39raising
35:40this
35:40delayed
35:41justice
35:41argument
35:42in fact
35:42this is
35:43exactly
35:43the point
35:44that was
35:44made
35:44by all
35:45these
35:45persons
35:47accused
35:48before the
35:48high court
35:49that it
35:49has been
35:49now
35:50five years
35:51the trial
35:52is yet
35:52to begin
35:53in fact
35:53the trial
35:55is currently
35:56at the
35:56stage
35:56only of
35:57arguments
35:57on framing
35:58of charges
35:59which means
35:59there is
35:59going to
36:00be a
36:00very long
36:00time
36:01for the
36:02trial
36:02to actually
36:03happen
36:03but what
36:04the high
36:05court
36:05has said
36:06is that
36:07just
36:07the
36:08prima facie
36:09delay
36:09on its
36:10own
36:10is not
36:12and I'm
36:12reading out
36:13here
36:13grant of
36:14bail on
36:15the sole
36:15ground
36:15of long
36:16incarceration
36:16and delay
36:17of trial
36:18is not
36:19universally
36:20applicable
36:20rule in
36:21all cases
36:21in fact
36:22they have
36:22said that
36:23there are
36:23reasonable
36:24grounds
36:24to believe
36:25the
36:25prima facie
36:26allegations
36:26and the
36:27court has
36:27also said
36:28that at
36:28this stage
36:29they will
36:30not be
36:30looking into
36:31the details
36:31of the
36:32allegations
36:32or the
36:33details
36:33of the
36:33witness
36:33statements
36:34but only
36:34a
36:35prima facie
36:35view
36:36of whether
36:36there are
36:37reasonable
36:37allegations
36:38reasonable
36:39evidence
36:40of allegations
36:40against them
36:41now what
36:42the court
36:43has said
36:43is that
36:43the specific
36:44allegations
36:45against all
36:46these accused
36:46are backed
36:47by prima facie
36:48evidence
36:49what is
36:49interesting
36:50also
36:50is that
36:51in 2021
36:52the two
36:54judge bench
36:54of the
36:55Delhi
36:55high court
36:55had granted
36:56bail to
36:56Devangana
36:57Kalata
36:57Natasha
36:58Narwal
36:58and
36:59Asif
37:00Iqbal
37:02Tanha
37:03in this
37:04same case
37:05where this
37:06court had
37:06said
37:07that protest
37:08is not
37:09terrorism
37:09that there
37:10is a
37:10right to
37:11protest
37:11for all
37:12persons
37:12all citizens
37:13in this
37:14country
37:14now
37:15however
37:15the
37:16two
37:16judge
37:16bench
37:16of the
37:17Delhi
37:17high
37:17court
37:17is
37:18saying
37:18that
37:18they
37:18cannot
37:19get
37:19parity
37:20with
37:20Devangana
37:20Kalata
37:21judgment
37:21because
37:22there
37:22are
37:23prima facie
37:24allegations
37:24against
37:24these
37:25persons
37:25in fact
37:27they have
37:27said
37:27that
37:28there is
37:28no
37:29absolute
37:30right
37:30to
37:30protest
37:31in the
37:31country
37:31that
37:32unfettered
37:33right
37:33to
37:33protest
37:33would
37:34damage
37:34the
37:35constitutional
37:35framework
37:36and
37:36impinge
37:36on law
37:37and order
37:38so a
37:38clear
37:39turnaround
37:39by the
37:40Delhi
37:41high
37:41court
37:42in
37:42how
37:42they
37:43have
37:43viewed
37:43these
37:44riots
37:44the
37:45anti
37:45CAA
37:46protests
37:46as well
37:47so
37:47remember
37:48this
37:48case
37:49is
37:49the
37:49larger
37:50conspiracy
37:50case
37:51there
37:51are
37:51UAPA
37:51allegations
37:52which
37:52means
37:53that
37:53allegations
37:54are
37:54of
37:55conspiracy
37:55to
37:56commit
37:56terrorist
37:56activity
37:57of
37:57raising
37:58funds
37:58for
37:58incitement
38:00of
38:01terrorist
38:01activity
38:02rioting
38:03murder
38:03damage
38:04to
38:04public
38:05property
38:05as
38:06well
38:06as
38:07allegations
38:07under
38:07the
38:08arms
38:08act
38:09and
38:09several
38:09other
38:09offenses
38:10now
38:10what
38:11the
38:11court
38:11has
38:11said
38:12that
38:12there
38:13are
38:16specific
38:16allegations
38:17against
38:17the
38:18nine
38:18persons
38:18who
38:18had
38:19come
38:19before
38:19the
38:19Delhi
38:19high
38:20court
38:20now
38:20and
38:20remember
38:21these
38:21people
38:21have
38:21also
38:22been
38:22before
38:22the
38:22Delhi
38:22high
38:23court
38:23since
38:232022
38:24it
38:24has
38:24been
38:24over
38:25three
38:25years
38:26since
38:26their
38:27bail
38:27petitions
38:27have
38:28remained
38:28before
38:28the
38:28Delhi
38:29high
38:29court
38:29as
38:29well
38:29but
38:30the
38:30court
38:31has
38:31said
38:31we
38:31are
38:31of
38:32the
38:32view
38:32that
38:32each
38:33member
38:33of
38:35the
38:35conspiracy
38:35particularly
38:36the
38:36present
38:36appellants
38:37were
38:37prima
38:37fasi
38:38assigned
38:38a
38:39specific
38:39role
38:40in
38:40furtherance
38:41of
38:41the
38:41conspiracy
38:42till
38:42its
38:42execution
38:43and
38:44at
38:44this
38:44stage
38:45of
38:45consideration
38:45of
38:45bail
38:46application
38:46it
38:47would
38:47be
38:47impermissible
38:48in
38:49law
38:49to
38:49enter
38:50into
38:50the
38:50merits
38:51or
38:51demerits
38:51of
38:52the
38:52evidence
38:53against
38:53them
38:53so
38:54now
38:54while
38:54Sharjee
38:55Limam
38:56and
38:56Omar
38:56Khalid
38:57are
38:57accused
38:57of
38:58mobilization
38:59of
38:59members
39:00of
39:00the
39:01prima
39:01fasi
39:02conspiracy
39:03delivering
39:04inflammatory
39:04speeches
39:05to
39:05instigate
39:08mass
39:08mobilization
39:09the
39:09allegations
39:10against
39:10the
39:10other
39:11accused
39:11are
39:11of
39:11the
39:12actual
39:12participation
39:14in
39:14the
39:14mass
39:15mobilization
39:15in
39:16raising
39:16funds
39:17and
39:18the
39:18riots
39:19themselves
39:19so
39:19this
39:20is
39:20a
39:20very
39:20serious
39:20point
39:21that
39:21has
39:21been
39:21raised
39:21by
39:21the
39:22high
39:22court
39:22and
39:22now
39:23of
39:23course
39:23their
39:23lawyers
39:24are
39:24saying
39:24they
39:24will
39:24be
39:24going
39:25to
39:25the
39:25Supreme
39:26Court
39:26back to
39:26you
39:27thank
39:27you
39:27for
39:27breaking
39:28the
39:28case
39:28down
39:28for
39:28us
39:28Anisha
39:29we're
39:29going to
39:29leave it
39:29at
39:29that
39:30with
39:30that
39:30I'm
39:31going to
39:31cut
39:31across
39:31to
39:32Maharashtra
39:32huge
39:33development
39:34this
39:35evening
39:35Manoj
39:35Jarange
39:36Patil
39:36has
39:37ended
39:37his
39:37fast
39:38a
39:38short
39:38while
39:38ago
39:39Tuesday
39:39evening
39:40he
39:40accepted
39:40the
39:40draft
39:41resolution
39:41at
39:42Azad
39:42Maidan
39:43the
39:43government
39:43has
39:44issued
39:44the
39:45notification
39:46on
39:53Patil's
39:54eight
39:54demands
39:54have
39:55been
39:55met
39:55earlier
39:56in the
39:56day
39:57tensions
39:57flared
39:57at
39:58Azad
39:58Maidan
39:58as
39:59police
39:59moved
39:59in
40:00to
40:00evict
40:00Maratha
40:00Kota
40:01protesters
40:01following
40:02a
40:02Bombay
40:03High
40:03Court
40:03directive
40:04to
40:04clear
40:04the
40:05site
40:05what
40:05began
40:06as
40:06a
40:06peaceful
40:07demonstration
40:07turned
40:08into
40:08a
40:08standoff
40:09between
40:09the
40:09cops
40:09and
40:09the
40:10protesters
40:10refusing
40:11to
40:11vacate
40:11but
40:12viewers
40:13net
40:13net
40:14the
40:14big
40:14win
40:15is
40:15Manoj
40:15Jarange
40:16Patil's
40:17protest
40:18has
40:19registered
40:20and
40:20reservation
40:22status
40:22under
40:23Kumbi
40:24OBC
40:24will
40:24now
40:25be
40:25allowed
40:26and
40:26where
40:27the
40:27Marathas
40:28are
40:28concerned
40:29of
40:29the
40:29Marathwada
40:29region
40:30I want
40:30to
40:30quickly
40:30cut
40:31across
40:31to
40:32my
40:32colleagues
40:33Ritwik
40:33Bhalikar
40:34who is
40:34joining
40:34us
40:35and our
40:35Mumbai
40:35Bureau
40:35Chief
40:36Managing
40:36Editor
40:36Sahil
40:37Joshi
40:37as
40:38well
40:38Sahil
40:39break
40:39it
40:40down
40:40on
40:40what
40:40these
40:41developments
40:41really
40:41mean
40:42for
40:42Maharashtra
40:42well
40:45this
40:46was
40:46the
40:46biggest
40:46political
40:47challenge
40:47Devendra
40:47must
40:48have
40:48ever
40:48faced
40:49after
40:49becoming
40:49the
40:50Chief
40:50Minister
40:50for
40:51the
40:51third
40:51time
40:52and
40:53the
40:53Maratha
40:54agitation
40:54has
40:54always
40:55been
40:56a
40:56reason
40:57for
40:57worry
40:58for
40:58the
40:58BJP
40:59the way
41:00the
41:00Lok Sabha
41:01results
41:01turned out
41:02the whole
41:02Maratha
41:02community
41:03specifically
41:04in
41:05Marathwada
41:05region
41:05of
41:06Maharashtra
41:06turned
41:07against
41:07the BJP
41:08and which
41:08the results
41:09were completely
41:10shocking
41:10for the
41:11BJP
41:11ever since
41:12they have
41:12been
41:13particular
41:15about the
41:15demands
41:16made by
41:16the
41:16Maratha
41:17community
41:17interestingly
41:18there is
41:19a reservation
41:20for the
41:20Maratha
41:20community
41:21in
41:21Maharashtra
41:21under
41:22SEBC
41:23the socially
41:23and economically
41:24backward
41:25class
41:25which is
41:26over and
41:27above
41:27the reservation
41:28given to
41:29various
41:30communities
41:30in
41:30Maharashtra
41:31for SCST
41:32and OBC
41:33communities
41:33but this
41:34particular
41:35agitation
41:36by Zarange
41:37Patil
41:37was specifically
41:38for the
41:39region
41:40of
41:41Marathwada
41:41where
41:41which was
41:42earlier
41:43was under
41:47the Nizam
41:47rule
41:48and there
41:49the Maratha
41:50community
41:50was also
41:51known as
41:51the
41:51Kunbi
41:52community
41:52which is
41:54in the
41:54OBC
41:55category
41:55in
41:56Maharashtra
41:56so
41:57Zarange
41:57Patil's
41:58demand
41:58specifically
41:58was that
41:59the
42:00Maratha
42:00people
42:02living in
42:02the
42:03Marathwada
42:03region
42:04in
42:04Maharashtra
42:05should be
42:05given
42:05the
42:05Kunbi
42:06status
42:06and
42:06given
42:07a
42:08reservation
42:09in
42:09the
42:10OBC
42:10quota
42:11and which
42:12faced a
42:12huge
42:13opposition
42:14from
42:14the
42:15existing
42:15OBC
42:16community
42:16in
42:17Maharashtra
42:17saying
42:18that
42:18there
42:20will be
42:20a
42:21tussle
42:21within
42:22the
42:22OBC
42:22against
42:23the
42:23Maratha
42:24community
42:24on the
42:24political
42:25reservation
42:25as well
42:26because
42:26in the
42:26local
42:27self-government
42:27the local
42:28bodies
42:28there is a
42:29political
42:29reservation
42:30for the
42:30OBC
42:30community
42:31as well
42:31so that
42:33is why
42:33the
42:33whole
42:34episode
42:35became
42:35political
42:36as well
42:36as
42:37we could
42:38see that
42:38little bit
42:39push and
42:39pull
42:39within
42:40the ruling
42:41alliance
42:42between
42:42Ekna Chinde
42:43and
42:43Devendra
42:44Fadnavis
42:44because
42:44this
42:45particular
42:45demand
42:46was raised
42:47even during
42:48Ekna Chinde's
42:49chief
42:49ministership
42:50and
42:50Ekna Chinde
42:51had claimed
42:52a kind of
42:53a victory
42:53by putting
42:54down
42:54Zarange Patil's
42:55demand for
42:57the reservation
42:57by accepting
42:58most of
42:59his demands
43:00and
43:00claiming that
43:02he is the
43:02true leader
43:03of the
43:03Maratha
43:03community
43:04in
43:04Maharashtra
43:05so
43:05the
43:06whole
43:07episode
43:07had become
43:08kind of
43:09a political
43:09challenge
43:10for
43:10Devendra
43:10Fadnavis
43:11as well
43:11and
43:12specifically
43:13this time
43:13because
43:13during
43:14the
43:14Ganpati
43:15festival
43:15thousands
43:17of
43:18people
43:19lakhs
43:19of
43:19Maratha
43:20people
43:20people
43:22from the
43:23Maratha
43:23community
43:23from
43:23Marath
43:24Fada
43:24reached
43:25out in
43:25Mumbai
43:25and blocked
43:26the whole
43:27South
43:27Mumbai
43:27which is
43:28supposed to
43:29be a
43:30region
43:30where
43:30the
43:31offices
43:31are
43:32located
43:32the
43:33government
43:33offices
43:33are
43:34located
43:34and
43:34created
43:34a huge
43:35issue
43:36for
43:36law
43:36and
43:37order
43:37as well
43:39in
43:39Maharashtra
43:39but it
43:40seems now
43:41that this
43:42government
43:42resolution
43:42has been
43:44issued
43:45which gives
43:46that status
43:47the OBC
43:48status to
43:48the people
43:49from the
43:49Maratha
43:50community
43:50in
43:51Marath
43:51Wada
43:51but there
43:52will be
43:52some
43:52check and
43:53balances
43:53we'll have
43:53to see
43:54how it
43:54unfolds
43:55because
43:55in next
43:56few
43:56months
43:56Maharashtra
43:57is going
43:58to have
43:58a major
43:59local body
44:00elections
44:00in
44:00Jilla Parishad
44:01the local
44:05municipal council
44:05as well as
44:06the municipal
44:07councils of
44:08Mumbai
44:08and the big
44:09cities as
44:10well
44:10so this
44:11this particular
44:12issue is
44:12going to be
44:13kind of a
44:13game changer
44:14for the
44:15Maharashtra
44:15politics as
44:15will in
44:16the upcoming
44:16elections
44:17well you're
44:17right there
44:17because this
44:18will have
44:18ramifications
44:19where the
44:20domestic
44:20politics
44:21is concerned
44:21especially in
44:22Marath
44:22Wada region
44:23Ritwik
44:23Bhalikar is
44:24also joining
44:25us
44:25Ritwik Bhalikar
44:26a quick
44:26update
44:27you have
44:27Manoj
44:27Jarange
44:27breaking
44:28his fast
44:29once again
44:31heralded the
44:32hero of
44:32Marath
44:33Wada
44:33despite
44:34where the
44:35last
44:35Maharashtra
44:36election was
44:37concerned
44:37and the
44:38Jarange
44:38factor
44:39clearly
44:39had not
44:40worked
44:40yes
44:45absolutely
44:46because at
44:47that time
44:47Manoj Jarange
44:48Patil had
44:49kept himself
44:50away from
44:51supporting or
44:52going against
44:53anyone any
44:54party to be
44:55specific but
44:56this time
44:57when he
44:59had announced
44:59this protest
45:01it was quite
45:02evident that
45:03CM Devendra
45:04Fadnavis on
45:05his target as
45:07well as
45:07BJP was
45:08going to
45:09bear the
45:09brunt but
45:10after five
45:11days of
45:12deliberations
45:12cabinet sub
45:14committee has
45:14finally reached
45:15a technical
45:17grounds
45:17consensus with
45:19Manoj Jarange
45:20Patil but
45:21we need to
45:21see as
45:22Sileser rightly
45:23pointed out that
45:24what will be the
45:25political implications
45:26in the coming
45:27days because
45:28local body
45:29elections civic
45:29body polls are
45:31upcoming and
45:33how this
45:34decision is
45:35going to
45:36benefit BJP
45:37and Devendra
45:38Fadnavis or
45:39is it going to
45:40be again some
45:41kind of a new
45:42battle or new
45:44issues which will
45:45be coming along in
45:46the coming days we
45:47need to see that
45:48all right Ritwik and
45:49Sahil appreciate for
45:50both of you for
45:51joining us for that
45:51quick update I'm
45:52going to let it be a
45:54keen eye on all
45:54developments on the
45:55ramifications of what
45:57just happened in
45:58Maharashtra where you
45:59have Marathas from the
46:00Maratpada region included
46:02in the Kumbi OBC
46:03cast and local body
46:05elections coming in
46:06soon what and how
46:08will this move impact
46:10that
46:16you
46:18you
46:18you
46:20you
46:20you
46:22you
46:23you
46:24you
46:26you
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