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In an exclusive chat with India Today, Parliamentary Affairs Minister Kiren Rijiju blamed the Opposition for the disruption of the Monsoon Session, saying it failed to engage in adequate debate on key issues and instead contributed to repeated deadlocks that affected the functioning of Parliament.
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00:00Hello everyone and welcome to this very special conversation.
00:03The monsoon session of parliament was a near total washout.
00:07The distrust between the opposition and the treasury benches was on full display
00:13and that is also continuing now outside parliament.
00:17What was on government's agenda and what is the government's game plan?
00:22Now, joining me is Parliamentary Affairs Minister Kiran Rajuji.
00:29I am going to begin with the numbers that you gave.
00:32You said that Lok Sabha productivity was at 19%, Rajya Sabha at 39.17%.
00:41Nine of the bills passed by the lower house, only with the minister speaking.
00:49My question is that the parliament is for scrutiny.
00:53It is for behest.
00:55It is for the government's agenda, which didn't happen.
00:58So, what is the formality of parliament to do with your government?
01:12So, from the business point of view, we passed 12 very important critical bills.
01:19So, we are happy that the government business has transacted.
01:23But from the parliamentary democracy, if we say that have we run the house as per the norms of the
01:33parliamentary democracy,
01:34then definitely no.
01:36Because, as a parliamentarian, I would definitely want to scrutinize the bills and all the members should get enough time
01:45to speak, to suggest, intervene, and also, if necessary, to amend.
01:51So, from the government's point of view, the bills are passed, but who is in the loss?
01:56Because it is the opposition parties who could not put forward their views during the discussion, because they did not
02:05take part in the discussion.
02:06So, my view on this entire monsoon session is in two parts.
02:13Purely from the governance, government's point of view, the business transaction was satisfactory.
02:19But from the parliamentarian point of view, and in the view of being the largest parliamentary democracy in the world,
02:30we did not debate, we did not discuss enough, especially in the Lok Sabha.
02:33In Rajya Sabha, the discussion was partial, because entire ruling party, the NDA partners, they took part in the discussion.
02:43And some of the opposition parties also did take part in the discussion.
02:47But the main opposition party, Congress, and Trinambul, and a few of them, they didn't take part.
02:54You know what happened before this session?
02:58You entered the monsoon session after historic Bengal victory.
03:03There were defections which had happened in TMC, in the Shevisena.
03:08Armed Admi Party MPs had also defected and joined the BJP.
03:12There was this confidence with which government entered the monsoon session.
03:17You were confident that you will pass the delimitation bill.
03:19We will pass the delimitation bill, which will be the future of the delimitation bill, which will be the future
03:24of the delimitation bill.
03:24And the FCRA, it was a simple majority with a bill passed, but the opposition had an upper hand in
03:34getting it sent to the JPC.
03:36No, first of all, we have not said that the delimitation bill will be the future of the delimitation bill.
03:58But the first thing that you have voted, the constitutional amendment, the House in order and division voting is the
04:05future of the delimitation bill.
04:06So you don't have to do the short goal in the short term.
04:08You don't have to do the bill on the short term.
04:10And we have said that we are going to do the same bill.
04:13So we have to do the same thing.
04:15But the same thing that we have not done, we have not done the same bill.
04:23You have the numbers to get the delimitation passed, which is essentially a constitution amendment bill, which requires two-third.
04:34Yes, but we did not press for it because we thought, let there be more consultation within the parties.
04:43So we have not done any of this.
04:45We have not done any of this.
04:46We have not done any of this.
04:46But we are very democratic people.
04:48Opposition also says that we have no other part of our six-files.
04:53Our bill is not done.
04:56We did not do it.
04:57Bill is not done before.
04:59Before we have done business advisory committee on the business committee bill.
05:03We have done some of this.
05:06And then we have listed the bill in the house.
05:11There is no such thing.
05:12It is no such thing.
05:14No such thing.
05:18There is no such thing.
05:21And the way that opposition is in the house, there is no such thing.
05:25We have to say that some opposition members have come in the house.
05:28and he said that Rahaul Gandhi and Akhiles and some people
05:34to talk about the bill. We want to talk about the bill.
05:40No, no bill. But I didn't listen to him.
05:44I did a long time from Rahaul Gandhi, Akhiles Yadav Ji
05:49and the rest of the opposition party.
05:52It was very good.
05:53It was very good.
05:58It was very good.
05:58It was very good for the opposition party.
06:11Because we already have a bill in cabinet.
06:15Then we have to clear the bill in Parliament.
06:18So the government is very clean.
06:22We have also sent some bills to the standing committee and JPC.
06:37We have to clear the bill.
06:41We have to clear the bill.
06:43We have to clear the bill.
06:56So that it is not possible.
06:58It is not possible.
06:59It is possible to make a bill.
07:00It is possible to make a bill so that opposition is not to say.
07:04And it is possible to make a bill.
07:26So we have to discuss that the need paper from the exam leak has been very warm and warm.
07:36We have to prepare it. We said we will do the trial.
07:41They say that the government doesn't listen to the answer.
07:44Just tell us if the goal is running.
07:47If the goal is running, then where is the question?
07:53Where is the goal?
07:54I also want to talk to you.
07:56You are also a senior journalist.
07:59You are also a mature.
08:01You can also understand this.
08:03If the goal is running, then the blood will be poor.
08:09How many people have been in the country.
08:11There are many people who have been in the country.
08:16How many hundred and hundred people have been killed by the goal.
08:17But the graph was killed.
08:19But the problem is that no one's gone without a resignation.
08:23Our master also came together.
08:27The problem is about the Pellet guns.
08:28I'm not saying that when I'm getting away from the deal.
08:31I tell people that they will tell me.
08:33But I tell you a common thing that everyone understands.
08:37Pellet guns have been to be a sport of thousands hundred and hundred sports.
08:44How does it feel like one thing is?
08:50There were three people who came on record, sir.
08:53There are two of them who have petitioned in the Supreme Court also.
09:23But there were a number of them whose injuries have been reported.
09:29They have come on record also to talk about their injuries.
10:02But what Rahul Ghandi said here, that he wanted a statement from the Home Minister.
10:11He's the leader of opposition, sir.
10:38So it got stuck between the Treasury benches and opposition on a particular rule?
10:43No, it's stuck.
10:44The Congress party doesn't believe it.
10:47We're stuck, right?
10:48We'll do the money and do the church.
10:50But, sir, Home Minister Amit Shah, as the Congress is saying, he offered on 12th that he will sit from
10:56that day at 3 p.m.
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13:41That is when they marched towards Parliament.
13:43You have to clearly demarcate the level of tolerance
13:48where police had to break it to use force.
13:52That is only when they marched towards the Parliament.
13:55So the whole country has to know, as long as the protest is
13:59peaceful, not a single force or any coercion was used.
14:05They were protesting.
14:07Does it mean that they will be allowed freely
14:10to march into the Parliament?
14:12You tell me, how will you prevent the march of those people
14:18where some of them are from the background we know,
14:23the antisocial elements.
14:25And many of them are party workers.
14:29Genuine students, we want to hear them out.
14:33Genuine students are always right.
14:37But then who are there in the protest?
14:40It is the Communist Party.
14:50If they are following a particular ideology, how are they not students?
14:54If you are a student, you must identify yourself as a regular student.
15:00This one group called Bheem Army, Samajwadi, Aam Admi, they were there throughout the education.
15:11Students were there, but students were much lesser in the numbers.
15:16And Congress, yes, I can say that Congress did not take part in the protest.
15:22Congress leaders did visit, but Congress leaders did not take part in the protest, student protest.
15:28But in the name of student protest, who all were there, misusing the students, misguiding them,
15:35and also taking opportunity.
15:38And they tried to take the lead.
15:41And, you know, they tried to encourage the students to march towards the parliament.
15:45Interestingly, Mohan Bhagwat, RSS chief, has said that Gen Z is honest, emotional, deeply patriotic,
15:52and their grievances are genuine.
15:53That is what the Prime Minister has already said, that we have to listen to the young generation.
15:59Of course, Gen Z is not our concept.
16:01It's some Western innovative concept.
16:04But still, if you counted that age group, young group, we have to listen to the students.
16:09They are the future.
16:11But why some political parties are trying to misuse the students?
16:15Abhijit Dipke, he's an armed worker.
16:18Everybody knows that.
16:20Are you aware of that?
16:23But there are also those who are associated with them who may not be armed party workers.
16:27I'm not saying the protest is bad.
16:29What I'm saying is, some political parties, some political leaders, whose political future
16:36and political standing has completely gone, they want to revive their political fortune
16:43through the student protest.
16:46That is not good.
16:48But Mr. Rajivjuju, as a young parliamentarian yourself, you have always supported the youth
16:53of the country.
16:54Then shouldn't you be more proactive and agree with what Mohan Bhagwat Ji said, that they are
17:01our own people?
17:02Hi.
17:02Maria, I'm once again saying Mohan Bhagwat Ji what you said, you caught it rightly.
17:09What I'm quoting is, Honorable Prime Minister Narendra Bodeji has clearly told all of us,
17:15he told the nation, he addressed the students saying that we will listen to the students.
17:22Except that, let us not abuse each other.
17:25Let us conduct ourselves in a civilized manner, more civil in our approach, and we are in a democracy.
17:33If we don't protest, if we don't resist, if we don't accuse, if we don't criticize the government, where will
17:40you do it?
17:40We welcome it.
17:41We have come through so much of turbulence in the past.
17:47We were in opposition for the last 50 years, more than 50 years.
17:51We never misuse any agitation to propel ourselves into the government.
17:58I myself have worked for months and months and months in the villages.
18:02That's why, don't tell me I'm a young parliamentarian.
18:06I have had enough of my experience in the parliament, and I can definitely say that.
18:12I'm upset because the parliamentary ethics, which we all love to follow, the Congress Party has totally broken their parliamentary
18:25ethics.
18:26They have conducted themselves in such a way that I'm very upset, I'm very sad.
18:31As a parliamentary first minister, I tried to breach the gap, but the Congress Party...
18:35I had to meet and cross across the aisle, go across the aisle, go across to the opposition parties to
18:42hold meetings.
18:42How long have you tried to do it?
18:43How long have you tried to do it?
19:17What is also playing out is a very, very concerning trend, where women are almost being used as tools for
19:25scoring political points.
19:28What played out at the Congress Party's event yesterday, and then a counter which came from your party colleague and
19:37a present member of parliament,
19:40it appears that women, even in positions of power, women leaders have become fair game.
19:46Maria, we will always ensure that we don't do anything which will show disrespect and which will hurt the dignity
19:59of women.
20:01We are extremely careful about that.
20:04Yesterday, what Rahul Gandhi did was very unfortunate.
20:08In fact, it's very despicable.
20:11He had conducted in such a way that demeaned his own position.
20:17Rahul Gandhi is the leader of the opposition, and he's also son of former prime minister.
20:26Prime minister represents the country.
20:30Prime minister is the face of the country.
20:33By ridiculing prime minister's position, you are actually ridiculing your own position.
20:39It's demeaning the position which he holds.
20:41It's very unfortunate.
20:43I think because of such conduct, people will fail to trust Rahul Ji, and people will not take him seriously
20:51if he continues to conduct in such manner.
20:54But the language which was used by your party colleague, in response to the outrage which came?
20:59Which response?
21:01Nishikandu.
21:01No, no.
21:02Prime minister didn't say anything.
21:04None in the cabinet had used foul language.
21:07Nobody in the party, party president or senior function has said anything.
21:12I cannot comment about everything or everybody, but I can definitely say that the responsible people in the party,
21:21especially the ministers, we never use such words.
21:25You know, I have a couple of more questions, and this is a question that I'm asking to the former
21:29law minister, also a lawyer.
21:32How would you look at the chairman of Bar Council of India and your party MP, Manan Mishra's directive?
21:38What directive?
21:39Which he said that Nalsar students will not be allowed, and then of course there was withdrawal after the outrage.
21:48Do you see that this kind of collective punishment which was announced?
21:53No, that I think I have not gone detail into that, that the chairman of the Bar Council of India
21:59can respond to your question.
22:01But what I can say is we must be tolerant to each other.
22:09We all must respect each other.
22:11The chief justice of India is head of the Indian judiciary.
22:17His position has to be given due respect.
22:23Every institution will have to maintain its dignity.
22:28If few groups in any institution tries to take a course which is motivated or influenced by the ideology,
22:38then it will do lots of harms to the institution itself.
22:42If you don't have the capacity to listen to the person of the opposite view, then it's not good for
22:48the democracy.
22:49And when it comes to judiciary or the Supreme Court judges or anybody, I think we have to be extremely
22:57careful.
22:58I cannot comment on that incident because I have not really got information about the details.
23:05But aren't universities and campuses spaces for raising concerns and protests?
23:10That's what I'm saying.
23:11You should raise your concerns and all.
23:13How can you prevent somebody from coming to theтАж
23:16Bar?
23:16No, to the institution or anywhere.
23:18See, what I'm saying is every institution will have lots of people with diverse background, different ideology.
23:28If you are not prepared to invite or if you are there to prevent the entry of any person whom
23:36you don't like,
23:38the institution cannot run that way.
23:40My last question to you is coming from what we have seen over the last few days on social media.
23:45A lot of people from Arunachal Pradesh have put out videos and even Rahul Gandhi has now raised it.
23:50And his words are, and I'm quoting you him,
23:53In Arunachal Pradesh, China has stopped us to patrol our country.
23:59This is a very good thing.
24:02Rahul Ji, I don't have no idea about history.
24:06Because Arunachal Pradesh, whose name is Nefa, you know?
24:12I have no idea.
24:13I will take you two minutes of time to explain it.
24:17In Arunachal Pradesh, the Tawang sector,
24:21was connected with Bhairat in 1951.
24:26In 1951, they were given texts to Tibet.
24:32In 1959, Dalila Ma Ji left Tibet.
24:36And the President of China, when the President of China came here,
24:40they said that the name of Nefa,
24:44the name of Mek Mohon Line,
24:46that is your identity.
24:48This is India's identity.
24:50You keep it.
24:52China has said that.
24:54In the meantime, Arunachal was the name of Nefa.
24:56So, this is Nefa is your identity.
24:59They have never claimed it.
25:00China has never claimed it.
25:02In the meantime, they said that you don't claim it to China.
25:07And we don't say anything about Nefa.
25:10It is your identity.
25:13In the meantime, in 1914,
25:14in the similar agreement,
25:16there was a boundary in the Mek Mohon Line.
25:19China didn't claim it.
25:22But it said that Nefa is your territory.
25:25But in the meantime, India said that we can't leave Nefa.
25:28So, in the meantime, China claimed the first time of China,
25:33and then Arunachal claimed the name of Nefa.
25:37In 1972, Nefa was named Arunachal.
25:39Then, in 1987, it became the full-fledged state.
25:42So, Arunachal, the place that has been located in 1959,
25:49In the meantime,
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25:54Any place that occupied the other place,
25:56is represented in 1959.
26:00In 1962, any additional occupation did not occupy an additional occupation.
26:04In 1959, occupied us.
26:06Our people killed the assault rifle.
26:09We didn't have a road, we didn't have a maintenance, we didn't have a maintenance.
26:15After that, there was an ITBP.
26:18Indian Army is here, but in front of the ITBP is in front of us.
26:24In 2013, the defense minister of A.K. Antoni has accepted that in Arunachal Site and China's border area,
26:34we didn't have to do that because we didn't believe that we didn't have to do development here.
26:40What is the policy of China? We'll talk about it in detail, but we don't have to do that.
26:47However, the place that we occupied was in 1959 or in 1962.
26:52What we're talking about is that because it wasn't our road.
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27:50government car roads infrastructure baki cam joe was 2014-15 ke baad hi planning
27:56kerke abhi shudu or a taxing joh jaga kehrane wot 2019 me he wrote
28:01connect to aap socho 1949 47 maja di prap hua or taxing me road modiji ka
28:08sami mein 2019 me connect wa aise ya gunji me bhi dekhi 2019 me connect wa
28:14toh jub hama rasta hi nahi tha toh china rasta bana liya or onho
28:18nye kai jaga occupy kar liya isse liya humara logo ka chokoncernance sahi
28:23hai lekin ye toh ap google meip dekker ki baat mat kichai google meip me toh
28:28aga ko aise yellow line khi cheta ya white line khi chega
28:32or ye border raka ke dhikha dhekha dhekha oto malam nyeh
28:35or humarang logo bhi kuch logo toh bichara nye jantay hai me toh blem
28:38nye karta ho usko malam nyeh go google map dekker teh or kaitte koh
28:42yeh toh indian territory arrogo joh joh jahha chayna logoonne gher bana ya
28:46joh gaon basaya building bana ya ok
28:49woh 1959 mein orde le chukhe hai
28:52all right thank you so much
28:53leken hum hum ek inch naya jamin toh nahi dhenne ke liya
28:57hum log abhi hum log pura humara force baithe woyah
29:00kam kar raha rasta bana raha
29:01hum log toh late se shuru kiya na chayna toh pahil e kar liya
29:04all right kirindri juju pleasure speaking to you and thank you for taking all the questions
29:09the comments thank you
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