How do we secure water and food in a rapidly changing climate? 🌍 In this powerful Season 3 episode of Tangelic Talks, co-hosts Victoria Cornelio and Andres Tamez speak with Professor Sylvester Mpandeli, Executive Manager for Water Utilisation in Agriculture at South Africa’s Water Research Commission.
From drought-tolerant crops to community-driven water management, Prof. Mpandeli shares proven strategies that balance climate adaptation, agricultural productivity, and sustainable development — offering actionable lessons for policymakers, farmers, and climate advocates worldwide.
📌 Episode Highlights:
🚰 Climate change’s impact on Southern Africa’s water scarcity
🌱 Climate-smart agriculture for resilience & food security
🤝 Partnerships between scientists, farmers, and governments
🌍 Rural community adaptation to shifting rainfall patterns
💡 Why youth engagement is vital for long-term solutions
🔹 About Our Guest: Professor Sylvester Mpandeli is a leading researcher on water resource management and climate adaptation, with decades of experience at the intersection of agriculture, environment, and policy in Southern Africa.
📌 Timestamps:
00:00–01:01 South Africa’s Water Crisis: A Global Problem Needing Global Solutions
01:02–01:28 Welcome to Tangelic Talks & Guest Introduction – Prof. Sylvester Mpandeli
01:29–03:42 From Agriculture to Climate Action: Tackling Unemployment, Poverty & Inequality
03:43–06:37 The Water-Energy-Food Nexus: Breaking Sector Silos for Sustainability
06:38–09:53 Adapting to Scarcity: Water Allocation, Climate Change & Innovation
09:54–13:12 Closing the Science-Policy Gap: Evidence-Based Decision-Making
13:13–17:31 Policy, Governance & Implementation Challenges in Climate Action
17:32–22:37 Local Solutions, Pro-Poor Policies & Balancing Resources
22:38–27:51 Innovations for Climate Resilience & Disaster Preparedness
27:52–29:45 Shared Responsibility: Collective Action for a Sustainable Future
29:46–30:21 Final Statement and Closing
💬 Join the Conversation: What’s one innovation that could transform agriculture in a climate-stressed region? Comment below ⬇️
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From drought-tolerant crops to community-driven water management, Prof. Mpandeli shares proven strategies that balance climate adaptation, agricultural productivity, and sustainable development — offering actionable lessons for policymakers, farmers, and climate advocates worldwide.
📌 Episode Highlights:
🚰 Climate change’s impact on Southern Africa’s water scarcity
🌱 Climate-smart agriculture for resilience & food security
🤝 Partnerships between scientists, farmers, and governments
🌍 Rural community adaptation to shifting rainfall patterns
💡 Why youth engagement is vital for long-term solutions
🔹 About Our Guest: Professor Sylvester Mpandeli is a leading researcher on water resource management and climate adaptation, with decades of experience at the intersection of agriculture, environment, and policy in Southern Africa.
📌 Timestamps:
00:00–01:01 South Africa’s Water Crisis: A Global Problem Needing Global Solutions
01:02–01:28 Welcome to Tangelic Talks & Guest Introduction – Prof. Sylvester Mpandeli
01:29–03:42 From Agriculture to Climate Action: Tackling Unemployment, Poverty & Inequality
03:43–06:37 The Water-Energy-Food Nexus: Breaking Sector Silos for Sustainability
06:38–09:53 Adapting to Scarcity: Water Allocation, Climate Change & Innovation
09:54–13:12 Closing the Science-Policy Gap: Evidence-Based Decision-Making
13:13–17:31 Policy, Governance & Implementation Challenges in Climate Action
17:32–22:37 Local Solutions, Pro-Poor Policies & Balancing Resources
22:38–27:51 Innovations for Climate Resilience & Disaster Preparedness
27:52–29:45 Shared Responsibility: Collective Action for a Sustainable Future
29:46–30:21 Final Statement and Closing
💬 Join the Conversation: What’s one innovation that could transform agriculture in a climate-stressed region? Comment below ⬇️
✨ Explore More:
🌐 Website: https://TangelicLife.org
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/tangeliclife
🐦 Twitter/X: https://x.com/Tangelic_
💼 LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/tangelic
👍 Facebook: https://facebook.com/tangelic.org
✅ Don’t forget to like, comment, share & subscribe to support climate action and sustainable farming solutions. 🌍⚡
🔖 #TangelicTalks #WaterSecurity #ClimateSmartAgriculture #SouthernAfricaResilience #SustainableFarming #ClimateAdaptation #AgricultureInnovation #WaterForLife #FoodSecurityNow #DroughtResilience #FarmersForTheFuture #ClimateActionAfrica #WaterManagement #RuralResilience #YouthInAgriculture #SustainableDevelopmentGoals #ClimateChangeSolutions #Agroecology #WaterCrisisResponse #FarmingForFuture #ResilientCommunities #ClimateJustice #GlobalSouthSolutions
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00:00South Africa is one of the 30 driest countries in the world.
00:07And I thought I should be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
00:11And it's not Sylvester as an individual.
00:14It's a global problem that needs global solution.
00:19We should all be doing something.
00:21We should all be tuning in, cluing in as well.
00:23Certainly, creating a warm and engaging mechanism for your podcast.
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00:35Welcome to Tangelic Talks, your go-to podcast from Tangelic,
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01:02Welcome to Tangelic Talks, a podcast at the intersection of gender, equity, and empowerment
01:07with your co-host, Victoria Cornelio, and our new co-host, Andres Tamez.
01:11In today's episode, we're going to be talking about the water-energy-food nexus
01:17with Professor Sylvester Impandeli.
01:19He is a climate and water expert working at the intersection of agriculture, energy, and the environment.
01:26And he has decades of experience, global recognition.
01:30He's passionate about finding practical, climate-smart solutions that work for people and the planet.
01:35And he's just going to help us try to navigate that and understand it a bit better.
01:39So welcome, Professor.
01:40Thank you very much.
01:41Thanks for hosting me.
01:43Of course.
01:44So you've been working in this intersection for over two decades.
01:48What first drew you to this intersection?
01:51And how has your thinking evolved since then?
01:55My background is agriculture, water management, climate change adaptation, and water-energy-food nexus.
02:05As you have mentioned, I've been in the environment, water, agriculture sector for 25 years now.
02:13What attracted me to these sectors is based on the fact that South Africa is one of the 30 driest countries in the world.
02:28And I thought I should be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
02:32Therefore, I've decided to do what we call transdisciplinary, which means that you learn things from various sources.
02:43For example, you learn about biophysical issues, you learn about socioeconomic issues, you learn about sustainability, and so on.
02:51And the fact that, I mean, here in South Africa, we are facing three big monsters.
02:58One is high unemployment rate.
03:01Two is poverty.
03:03And three is inequality.
03:04Now, we are facing multi-stresses because of threats posed by climate change and the fact that the population of South Africa has reached more than 60 million.
03:18Which means that you ask yourself, where are we going to get more food?
03:22Where are we going to get water?
03:23Where are we going to get energy?
03:25And so on.
03:26It's a complex process that needs 21st century strategy.
03:37You can't use 2019 strategy to solve 21st challenges.
03:41And therefore, you look at global programs like Sustainable Development Goals and other initiatives that have been initiated by various international organizations.
03:55South Africa forms a part of the global community.
03:58And we have got the responsibility to make sure that, I mean, we manage our natural resources in a very sustainable and efficient manner.
04:07And also making sure that we conserve whatever resources for the future generation.
04:12I'm highlighting this because, for example, the Water Energy Food and Exus Initiative directly interlinked with all those 17 Sustainable Development Goals targets.
04:27And over and above that, South Africa has got National Development Plan, which is a blueprint.
04:33And it has got similar targets like the SDG.
04:37Remember, by 2030, all countries that have committed themselves, I mean, to this SDG initiative, we need to report.
04:48And then showcase our milestones or our achievement.
04:52But we shouldn't forget about the fact that we have regressed a little bit, considering the fact that, I mean, COVID-19 caught us off guard.
05:04And I don't think we'll be able to recover very soon.
05:08So we need to make sure that, I mean.
05:12What were the implications of COVID?
05:14The implications of COVID is that we cannot continue with the things that we used to do previously.
05:21Do you get what I'm saying?
05:23And over and above that, I mean, I'm one of the victims.
05:27I experienced COVID two times.
05:31And it was so terrible to such an extent that now I have to take care of my health.
05:40Over and above that, I have to change the way I used to do things.
05:44You know, and it's not Sylvester as an individual.
05:49It's a global program of problems that needs global solutions.
05:53Yeah.
05:54And you have a very intersectional way of looking at it because you're not just taking it as this is the one issue.
05:59But there's all these issues and things intersecting that are leading to the way things are.
06:05And therefore, the solutions that we need is what I'm hearing from you.
06:09I want you to break down for our listeners.
06:12What is the water energy food nexus?
06:14Why is this a useful framework for us to understand what we're talking about today?
06:18I mean, here we are talking about the three sectors that are interlinked.
06:24And these sectors have got, I mean, very clear trade-offs and synergies.
06:29It's a pity that before the bond conference in 2011, these three sectors were operating in a silo, which means that the water sector was not worried about what is happening.
06:46I mean, from the agriculture side, same applies with energy and so on.
06:50But after the bond conference, we're in the head of state agreed that if we want to sustain our natural resources, if we want to stimulate the economy of various countries, and if we want to improve the life of our people, we need to start to derive our activities among those three sectors in an integrated or in an exhaust way.
07:14That is why every time, I mean, we emphasize the fact that these synergies, I mean, we need energy to produce food.
07:25And we need water, I mean, to produce food.
07:31And the principle is that we need to produce more food by using less resources.
07:39I mean, our natural resources are depleted.
07:41The fact of the matter is that it's either we adapt or die.
07:46The reality is that.
07:48Is one of the problems that, for example, with water, you have to split it between agriculture and the people.
07:55And since there's a scarcity of water, you have, there's a problem there, right?
07:59There needs to be, we need to be smarter about it.
08:02It's true.
08:02I mean, I can give you an example about the water allocation in South Africa.
08:09Okay.
08:10You realize that the agriculture sector uses 62% of our water resources, but there are also other key strategic sectors or economic sectors that needs water also.
08:27So what we are doing, especially as Water Research Commission, we are a knowledge generation organization.
08:35Water Research Commission, it was established 54 years ago.
08:39We are producing various technologies or innovations that those technologies or innovations are assisting farmers in general, whether we are talking about commercial farmers or smallholder farmers, it doesn't matter.
08:52So that, I mean, we produce more food by using less water.
08:58And over and above that, we need to make sure that, I mean, we conserve our water resources so that at the end of the day, we will be able to sustain the agriculture activities in the country.
09:12The unfortunate part is that, I mean, climate change is with us.
09:17If you look at the intensity and the frequency that we are experiencing as a country, you realize that there's a need for us to develop various coping and adaptation mechanisms by various climate sensitivities.
09:32It's not only agriculture, it's not only agriculture, energy, biodiversity, health, and so on.
09:37And we also need to lean towards knowledge-based economy.
09:42You know, South Africa economy is based on coal.
09:46And we know coal produces a lot of emissions, which is also another problem.
09:52That is why issues related to greenhouse gas emissions is still a big challenge.
09:56And then South Africa is regarded as one of the many polluters.
10:01Yeah.
10:01And you were speaking there about adaptation, you know, like we just got to do something now.
10:07What does that look like at a community level when you say, okay, we're coming in with either a project or an initiative that is going to help us in this adaptation in a community?
10:17What does that look like?
10:19Look, you need to understand one thing.
10:22And then if you go to communities with whatever tools or adaptation plan, as long as such kind of plan, if that plan is going to improve the livelihood of the people, it will be adopted or it will be accepted by various communities immediately.
10:45The most important thing is to make sure that, I mean, we raise awareness and also making sure, for example, we need to put infrastructure related to early warning system in various communities so that, I mean, they will be able to develop various mechanisms in order to deal with various natural vagaries that we are facing.
11:13That's number one.
11:14Number two, we also need to make sure that, I mean, we improve our climate advisory activities because majority of, I mean, communities are caught off guard because of lack of communication or poor dissemination of information.
11:39I mean, I can give you an example about the floods we had here in South Africa.
11:45It affected some provinces like KwaZulu-Natal, Eastern Cape, and so on.
11:50And we lost more than 300 people, I mean, our lives.
11:54That's a lot.
11:56But the most important thing is to make sure that, I mean, we come up with a program of action that is going to be coordinated from national to provincial, from provincial to local level.
12:09And there's an opportunity through water, energy, food, and we do believe that we should use water, energy, food, and exercise, firstly, to accelerate the targets set aside by United Nations regarding, I mean, those 17 sustainable development goals.
12:28And we do believe that, I mean, water, energy, food, and exercise initiative should assist us as a community of practice to address the science policy interface or science policy gap, which means that scientists need to work with the policymakers and so on.
12:47In Africa, the biggest challenges that we have.
12:50We've got a very good policies and so on.
12:53But when it comes to implementation, that's where the problem is.
12:57And we need to change that approach.
13:00We need to change the mindset and so on.
13:04And over and above that, as one of the people that is championing the water, energy, food, and exercise, we need to make sure that, I mean, we produce more evidence in order for us to share more, especially with the politicians.
13:18You know, when you are coming up with a lot of evidence, people will believe you and also trust whatever stuff that you are putting on the table.
13:27Is the mentality issue on the side of the politicians?
13:30Like, it's just convincing them to take action?
13:33Is that part of the problem?
13:34Part of the problem.
13:35You know, I mean, this thing, it has got, I mean, history.
13:40As I've indicated earlier on, that before 2011, these three sectors were using a linear approach, which means that, I mean, it's about one sector and that's it.
13:55But after 2011, the understanding was that these three sectors must work together in order for them to mobilize the resources, in order for them to harmonize their activities.
14:07These three sectors need to work together so that they minimize duplication of programs or initiative.
14:14And now we are seeing results.
14:19And I think Water, Energy, Food, and Exercise creates an opportunity for us to change our thinking and also assist us to think out of the box.
14:30For example, Water Research Commission has been championing Water, Energy, Food, and Exercise for the past 12 years.
14:37And if you look at the milestones that we have achieved so far, it's very impressive from human capital development or capacity building initiative technology, technologies that have been developed.
14:54And also, we had an opportunity to identify policy gaps amongst those three sectors.
15:01So, and we always share with various end users, because for us, we do believe that we need to address these socioeconomic challenges that we are facing in the country in an holistic or in an integrated manner.
15:19We don't want to leave anyone behind.
15:22And at the end of the day, we do believe that, I mean, we need to change the way we are managing our activities, especially if we want to stimulate the economy of this country.
15:35For sure.
15:36And you've been in these spaces of research and policy and everything we're talking about right now.
15:42You've seen it firsthand.
15:43What is your experience being there in a room where things are being discussed and nothing's being done?
15:48To be honest, and I mean, this is very, very important.
15:52For me, I had, I mean, a first-hand experience when I was a senior government official.
16:01I was working at one of the government departments.
16:04The thing is, whatever policies, strategies, or plans that we are developing, those policies or strategies or plans should be informed based on the latest science.
16:21It shouldn't just be developed, I mean, based on ESA or, I mean, without evidence.
16:27That's number one.
16:28Number two, people who are developing those policies need to work with policy implementers so that there's a smooth transition when the policy is approved, I mean, by government department or by cabinet.
16:42So, this is very, very important.
16:48And it is the responsibility of, I mean, each and every one of us in the country to make sure that, I mean, we develop policies that will look at issues in an integrated manner.
17:04I mean, I've highlighted the issue of the high unemployment rate, poverty, and all those kind of things.
17:11Yes, I mean, those things are caused by various factors.
17:15But we need also, over and above that, we need to make sure that, I mean, we maintain issues related to governance and also oversight.
17:25I don't, I mean, I want to venture into corruption activities and so on.
17:30But the most important thing is for us to make sure that, I mean, we develop, I mean, policies that will address the needs and the impact that we're facing on the ground.
17:45Yeah, that makes sense.
17:46And I can imagine then it's also just, you've said a couple times the implementation side of things is just not happening.
17:52Things aren't getting implemented.
17:53Is there a way where, for example, a national policy passes and then we do it regionally and implement regionally?
18:01Does it have to be at a community level?
18:03At what level can we start implementing?
18:05The thing is, firstly, we need to understand the fact that if you are dealing with issues related to climate change, for example,
18:16climate change does not recognize boundaries.
18:19It means that you need to work with all three spheres of government.
18:25And over and above that, if you look at the hydrological system in South Africa, we share our water resources with our neighboring countries.
18:37Like, for example, how the province gets water from Lesotho.
18:40And as a result of that, we need to make sure that, I mean, we have an agreement in place, making sure that we share those water resources and the fact that we share the hydrological system.
18:56But I believe that where to start?
18:58You asked the question, where do we start if we want to see positive results in the implementation?
19:03I think the first entry point is at local government, because local government, that's where service delivery is taking place.
19:12At national level, it is the responsibility of the government to make sure that they develop policies that will enable activities at local government to happen.
19:26Of and above that, government also has got the responsibility to make sure that, I mean, it creates policies that will assist private sector to be able to generate, I mean, jobs for our people.
19:39Yeah.
19:40Or we must come up with an enabling instrument that will allow SMMEs, or small, medium, micro enterprises, to create a job for our people.
19:50If we can be able to do that, I think we can be able to reduce high unemployment in the country.
19:59And we need to decentralize some of the services to rural or local areas, so that we minimize the movement of people from rural to urban areas.
20:10If you look at the influx in these big cities like Johannesburg and Cape Town, you ask yourself, will the current infrastructure that we have, will it cope with that influx?
20:26And if we don't manage that, we'll start having problems, because we'll start fighting for...
20:32Have you already started having problems? Because here in Mexico, we have the same problem.
20:38Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there are red flags already, because the perception is that, I mean, those who are from rural areas, they are taking jobs for local people.
20:49I mean, it's a perception issue, but the bottom line is that you need to make sure that, I mean, we avoid such kind of thinking.
20:59Yeah. I think in these kinds of conversations around resource management, everyone always falls in the trap of talking about, okay, so how do we deal with these limited resources?
21:08Do we limit people? Do we limit how much people get? It gets a bit Malthusian at times. And how do we avoid that when we talk about policy?
21:18Because, for example, I'm a very people-focused person. So to me, what is the point of doing something if we're not protecting people?
21:25Where our other more extreme policies are more about, well, no, we just can't take more people.
21:30We're going to shut it down. We're going to do this. We're going to do that.
21:33How do we balance that?
21:34It's a tough one. I mean, what you're asking me is a tough one, because you need to make sure that you develop policies that are pro-poor,
21:46but also making sure that, I mean, you don't need to squeeze your economy.
21:52I mean, how do you balance the scale and such kind of activities?
21:57And over and above that, I mean, nowadays, everybody's talking about artificial intelligence or fourth industrial revolution.
22:07How do we make sure that, I mean, we capacitate our people or reskill them so that they form part of the main economy?
22:15So there are various challenges that we're facing, but at the same time, we need to think about the short-term, medium, and the long-term, I mean, interventions.
22:29And we shouldn't forget where we come from.
22:32I mean, apartheid really did serious damage to the majority of, I mean, black people.
22:41But we should not use that as an excuse 30 years down the line, which means that we need to come up with practical programs that will empower our people,
22:53but also improve the livelihood of various communities in this country.
22:57You've mentioned a couple of times about innovation as well.
23:01And I just want to know, when we talk about innovation, everyone just thinks of, you know, some sci-fi movie that they saw at one time.
23:08So when we talk about innovation, what is these kinds of projects or tools that you're excited about that you're seeing could actually make a difference?
23:16I'll talk about innovations.
23:19I mean, coming from our research and development and innovation program from Water Research Commission.
23:28There are various innovations that we have developed, including, I mean, early warning system, I mean, climate smart agriculture program in order for us to deal with greenhouse gas emission reductions.
23:45And there are also other innovations that we are using in the water sector in order for farmers to use less water and making sure that, I mean, they use less energy and also save nutrients.
24:03So those innovations have been developed by local scientists.
24:11Some of them have been adapted based on the fact that, I mean, they were developed maybe in Europe or Asia or Middle East.
24:20But the bottom line is that we need to make sure that, I mean, while we are promoting those innovations,
24:27there must be knowledge uptake by various commodity groups.
24:33And for us as Water Research Commission, we are happy about the fact that there are several projects that are funded by commodity groups.
24:42And they are coming up with very interesting innovations.
24:46The good thing when you are collaborating with industry or commodity groups,
24:51you are sort of guaranteed that, I mean, recommendations or outcomes from the project will be adopted by industry as soon as possible.
25:00Right.
25:01Based on the fact that whatever research and development activities that we do as Water Research Commission,
25:08we have an expert committee that will peer review each and every deliverables or each and every report to that image or technologies that image from our research and development activities.
25:25I mean, that approach, firstly, it's user-friendly.
25:30It's well accepted because it's like you peer review your work before you take it out to the public domain.
25:37And it ties back to what you were saying earlier about having more information.
25:41We need to make sure that people have the information, have these early warning signs, for example, so we can avoid catastrophes in this case.
25:48It sounds, when I hear you saying about this, it sounds a lot in the same way that people talk about disaster risk management
25:55and dealing, for example, with an earthquake or a hurricane and these kinds of things.
25:59Do you think that's a useful approach to dealing with climate change or, for example, the health aspect?
26:05A lot of people, you know, we're comparing climate change to COVID.
26:09So is there a better framework we could be using to kind of hammer the point home that there's a lot we need to do and we need to start preparing?
26:16I think, to be honest, firstly, we need to acknowledge the fact that climate change is here with us.
26:26And over and above that, what we need to do is to make sure that, I mean, we prepare ourselves mentally.
26:37We need to invest in infrastructure that will be able to withstand any natural disaster.
26:46I don't think the current infrastructure that we have meet those requirements.
26:53And over and above that, we need to invest in human development so that, I mean, we have more voices that will assist various communities.
27:09Over and above that, the way we plan our human settlement, the way we plan, I mean, any other development, we should make sure that, I mean, we don't plan development, for example, in a low-lying area.
27:28I mean, we know that, I mean, when it rains, chances of being flooded, considering the fact that you are in a low-lying area, it's 95%.
27:43I mean, it's a reality.
27:46Over and above that, the current, I mean, infrastructure like the drainage systems and so on, we need to clean them, making sure.
27:54So, if you see floods happening in townships, especially here in South Africa, that's where you realize that we are not really maintaining our infrastructure properly.
28:04And there's a need for us to be proactive so that, at the end of the day, we reduce damage.
28:15But it needs teamwork.
28:19It is not only the responsibility of government.
28:21It's all of us, academics, NGOs, communities, government officials or politicians and so on.
28:32And that is why one of the strategies that we use at Water Research Commission is to make sure that, I mean, each and every project,
28:41at the end of the project, you should produce a policy brief or a ministerial brief or a parliamentary brief
28:48so that, I mean, they are aware about what is happening in different, I mean, communities or different provinces in the country.
28:56And I think that's a great way to wrap it up.
28:58It is all of us.
28:59We should all be doing something.
29:01We should all be tuning in, cluing in as well.
29:04And I really appreciate the way that you talk about things in a very practical manner.
29:08You have examples.
29:09You have things to say to show us.
29:11I think climate change can be, a lot of times, a very imaginative subject.
29:15And you being able to ground it in this way, I think, really gives us a bit of perspective.
29:19So thank you so much, Professor Sylvester.
29:22And we're not done.
29:23We're going to stay with Professor Sylvester for a little bit longer to do our Q&A,
29:28which you can find in the blog at TangelicLife.org.
29:31This was the Water Energy Food Nexus with Professor Mpandeli.
29:37And we'll catch you guys on the next one.
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