Climate Passion to Climate Tech: Diana Maranga on Innovation, Equity & Carbon Removal in Africa | Tangelic Talks S03E08

Name: Climate Passion to Climate Tech: Diana Maranga on Innovation, Equity & Carbon Removal in Africa | Tangelic Talks S03E08
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🌍 Can Africa lead the future of climate technology? In this inspiring episode of Tangelic Talks, co-hosts Victoria Cornelio and Andres Tamez sit down with Diana Maranga, Head of Commercialization at Octavia Carbon — Africa’s first Direct Air Capture (DAC) company, based in Nairobi, Kenya.

From her early inspiration by Nobel Laureate Wangari Maathai to pioneering carbon removal technologies in Africa, Diana shares how passion for sustainability evolved into leading-edge climate tech innovation.

She dives deep into how African-led climate innovation, local entrepreneurship, and community-driven leadership are redefining what equitable climate action means for the Global South.

🎙️ Episode Highlights:
💡 Diana’s journey from IT engineer to climate tech leader in Africa
🌱 Local innovation: building homegrown climate solutions in Kenya
⚙️ How direct air capture works — and its importance for global decarbonization
💰 Funding challenges for clean tech in emerging markets
🧩 Carbon credits explained: myths, realities, and African opportunities
🌍 Community impact and inclusive climate governance
💬 Moving from recipients to creators in Africa’s climate future

🔹 About Our Guest: Diana Maranga is the Head of Commercialization at Octavia Carbon, leading revenue, partnerships, and carbon credit strategies for Africa’s first direct air capture company. With a background in IT and business intelligence, she champions climate innovation that blends profitability, social impact, and environmental justice.

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0:00 – Introduction & Diana’s story
2:00 – Early inspiration from Wangari Maathai
5:00 – The rise of climate tech in Kenya
9:00 – Challenges in policy, funding & regulation
13:00 – Raising capital in the Global South
17:00 – Carbon credits & misconceptions
21:00 – Community benefit-sharing in climate projects
26:00 – Building technology locally: “Made in Africa” innovation
30:00 – Climate justice, equity & the role of women in tech

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00:00Oh and it's really scary to walk into a room where you feel sort of out of place

00:04a lot of times and that's most times in our heads you know we need to believe

00:10that we're worthy to be there.

00:13The misconception that Africa always has to import technology and perhaps we handle the assembly and everything but never from the design to fabrication to deployment to operations to maintenance and actually building that successful

00:29successful project. For example the clean cooking industry aims to avoid certain emissions and clean cooking is super super huge in Kenya and with good reason where even my grandmother still used to cook with firewood up until well very few years ago until now she had to buy a clean stove just to take care of your health and everything.

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01:02Welcome to Tangelic Talks, your go-to podcast from Tangelic where we dive into the vibrant world of clean energy, development, sustainability and climate change in Africa.

01:13We bring you inspiring stories, insightful discussions and groundbreaking innovations from the continent making waves in the global community.

01:20Tune in and join the conversation toward a brighter, greener future. Let's get started.

01:26Welcome to Tangelic Talks, a podcast at the intersection of energy, equity and empowerment with your co-hosts Victoria Cornelio and Andres Thomas.

01:36In today's episode we have Diana Maranga and we'll hand it over to her to tell you about her.

01:42Hey, well lovely to be here. Thank you for having me first and foremost.

01:48Yes, so just to jump right in. I'm Diana Maranga, but just Diana is fine.

01:55I'm currently the head of commercialization at Octavia Carbon.

02:00Essentially what I do at Octavia and what that head of commercialization title means is that I handle a lot of the revenue bits of Octavia's operations.

02:10That essentially means partnership, relationship building, contract negotiation, everything through the sales.

02:18It is essentially sales. And what I sell essentially is carbon products.

02:23And a bit of background, but I'm sure we'll jump right into it a bit later.

02:28Octavia essentially is a direct air capture company based in Nairobi, Kenya.

02:33And essentially build machines that filter CO2 from the atmosphere.

02:38I have a bit of an odd background, not too salesy at all, not business related at all.

02:43I have a background in ID. I actually majored in business intelligence and database management.

02:50So vastly, vastly different, but yeah, happy to share my journey of how I ended up at Octavia and head of commercialization as well.

02:58That's super interesting. And yeah, it sounds like a pivot, but like within the same area, if that makes sense.

03:03It's not too crazy, but it is kind of like really random. So how did that happen?

03:08How did you get into this world?

03:09Yeah, of course. I think it started a very long time ago.

03:13I think might have been around seven or eight years old.

03:17So we do have, I'm not sure if you know who Professor Wangari Maathai is, but she is a Nobel Peace Prize winner.

03:29And well, unfortunately she passed on a few years ago, but essentially I grew up watching her on TV.

03:36And she's the reason why there are a lot of green spaces still in the city's capital, Nairobi.

03:43And in essence, I was incredibly inspired by her because she was a woman, sometimes acting independently,

03:51just standing against the territorial government at the time and was incredibly passionate,

03:57would not cower down to any intimidation, just actively passionate about protecting the green spaces in Nairobi.

04:03And that was sort of wrung deeply to me, especially as a young woman,

04:10and just standing up for what you believe in, even if people are calling you crazy or odd.

04:15Yeah. And away from that, obviously didn't end up doing anything in sustainability in uni,

04:21even though I actually really, really wanted to do something to do in the social sciences.

04:26I was working at an international company as an IT engineer, but I soon got quite, how can I say, bored a little bit.

04:36And my best friend at the time, her sister, was actively working as Octavia's first electrical engineer,

04:44and she knew I was so passionate about this space.

04:47Yeah.

04:48And she essentially just called me one, I think it was the first day evening,

04:51and I was like, hi Dan, I know, just come and see what we're doing here.

04:54If you like it, you can stay, if you don't, that's a cult so okay, no hard feelings there.

04:58And yeah, that's how I joined Octavia and I've been there ever since.

05:02That's so interesting. It sounds like you went through a lot of stages to get there.

05:07That is super interesting. And you mentioned, you know, being very inspired by a woman leading the way, so to speak.

05:14What does that mean to you, you know, within the context in the work that you do?

05:18I think it means a lot. It means everything in the sense that perhaps, at least in my experience,

05:25and perhaps working in tech for a bit, most of it was very, how can I say, male oriented.

05:30And I wanted to be a bit of a pioneer in the sense, I had solid belief and very little experience in my leadership skills.

05:40And it means the world to me to be able to one, be in sustainability and actively trying to reverse climate change and save the earth,

05:48and also being a woman in a leadership position in a climate tech industry.

05:53So I do hope it carries a bit of weight to the ladies and young girls, but I actively look to make an impact that way.

06:03No, and it's really scary to walk into a room where you feel sort of out of place a lot of times.

06:09And that's most times in our heads, you know, we need to believe that we're worthy to be there.

06:15That's super interesting. And what is the climate tech space that you're in then? What does that look like?

06:22The climate tech space that I'm in, at least in Nairobi, Kenya, or just Kenya and Africa in general, very lonely.

06:30For context, we are Africa's first, Global South's first director of capture companies.

06:36So actively pioneering this tech is incredibly, it's a steep learning curve, but also deeply rewarding in the work that we do.

06:45So I'd say it's quite lonely, but it's also very, very encouraging.

06:51And I wake up every single day loving coming to work.

06:54And it is hard work pioneering technology in a very, well, where it's never been done before.

07:01And you kind of have to, even when I'm explaining to my family, they're like, oh, okay.

07:06When I first explain to my family, they're like, okay, what do you do again?

07:09What is that?

07:10Does that exist?

07:11Is that possible?

07:12So it's having to sort of, I had to learn from the grassroots.

07:16So everyone else around me also had to learn from the grassroots, but so far, so good.

07:20And I think I'm loving it here.

07:22That's why I haven't left the space at all and have no interest in living.

07:26Fair.

07:27And what's that intersection of climate and tech?

07:29I think when people talk about climate and tech, they think about so many areas of it.

07:33What, which ones are you specifically involved in?

07:36So at Octavia, we typically pride ourselves on being fully, vertically integrated.

07:43So in the sense that I'm a bit of a flagship in a very massive engineering firm.

07:49For context, you have about 60 employees, around 45 of those are engineers.

07:54So brilliant engineers at that.

07:57So it's inspiring working alongside pretty brilliant and smart people.

08:02And essentially what we do in that engineering spans from manufacturing and fabrication.

08:08We do everything of that in-house, chemical production and that R&D work towards operations

08:15and actively executing this project and deploying projects and logistics and procurement, everything, supply chain.

08:23It's really interesting and deeply educational for me because I never thought I'd be able to work with such vast disciplines in my life ever.

08:33So it's really encouraging and with everything that we do in-house, we get to pivot really quickly.

08:41It's a very, very fast-paced environment where I work, which is great because I was slightly bored in my previous role as I mentioned.

08:49But yeah, it's deeply encouraging and obviously always pivoting, which is also super important.

08:54Yeah, and you mentioned earlier that you learn from grassroots.

08:58How does that come into the climate tech space?

09:01Yeah.

09:02So DAC or Director of Capture as a technology is incredibly novel.

09:07It's quite nascent.

09:09Not a lot has been explored around it.

09:12Perhaps a handful or so of DAC projects in the world to begin with.

09:16And obviously, as I mentioned with the past frontier.

09:19So it's a steep learning curve and actively trying to figure out things on your own.

09:25Obviously there's learnings and there's literature and there's all that, but you only learn once you start doing it.

09:32And I always love saying you shouldn't be afraid to fail.

09:36So you fail fast, you learn faster, you pivot even faster.

09:40And that's the only way you can get to sort of execute a project or a technology as nascent as this.

09:46And yeah, I would say or what we believe at Octavia is you don't have to wait to know everything to execute.

09:57You just don't have to be afraid to fail and learn everything through that process.

10:02Okay, so kind of learning on the job.

10:04Yes, very much so.

10:06Very cool.

10:07And are there any challenges that you see kind of come up quite regularly or are there any, I don't know, like barriers that you guys have seen when it comes to implementing?

10:17Yeah, of course.

10:18I think first and foremost, what I always say at the very first point is just financial, financial risk in the sense that we're raising for director capture, which is very hardware focused.

10:32So very complex heavy, very capital intensive, but also a technology that at least in Africa, no one has ever heard of.

10:39So we were always raising for DAC in Kenya when most people have never even heard of DAC.

10:45So you also have to start from the very educational level.

10:48And there's perhaps the belief that climate tech cannot emerge and be made by Africans in Africa and we actually work and be successful.

10:57There's the misconception that Africa always has to import technology and perhaps we handle the assembly and everything, but never from the design to fabrication.

11:08To deployment, to deployment, to operations, to maintenance and actually building that successful project.

11:17Another thing I'd say is also whilst operating in a pretty pioneering environment is obviously policy and regulation is quite nonexistent.

11:31And obviously as you're also raising for capital, folks love predictability, I can't fault them on that.

11:38So obviously trying to navigate slightly murky waters and just getting the right regulation, but also informing the government and obviously the various ministries about what we're doing.

11:50And rightfully so that quite, they were quite in the very beginning worried about the natural resources because our technology does operate with geothermal energy for a majority of the processes.

12:03But also there is land, you have water, you have all this.

12:07And it also obviously has to start from a very deeply educational level and that sort of need from there.

12:16So I'd say those are the very two top of mind challenges that we've faced so far.

12:23Yeah.

12:24But we're actively trying to navigate those areas as you speak.

12:28Of course.

12:29And you mentioned capital, which I think is always one of those things we struggle with in this sector.

12:35What's the venture capital landscape like for climate tech in the global south right now and specifically in your context?

12:42Yeah.

12:43So as I mentioned, well, in Kenya, firstly, the climate tech industry and green industrialization is absolutely growing rapidly.

12:54And not just for direct air capture, we have enhanced rock weathering, we have biochar and all that in the engineered carbon dioxide removal space.

13:03So I will say it's growing and the environment and the ecosystem is very encouraging.

13:07But it's also still pretty difficult trying to raise capital for this and especially capital across the capital funding across the capital stack.

13:20So I'm talking VC funding, which obviously means equity.

13:24And we are always, especially in such a capital intensive industry to us specifically, we're always trying to be as non dilutive as possible.

13:32So actively looking for funding or infrastructure and all that and debt as well, which is and concessional debt is pretty favorable interest rates is really, really difficult.

13:48So what founders really need is just patient capital and just belief in the narrative that they're making, but also in traction as well.

14:00You can't just sell a story, you have to sell potential and traction as well.

14:05But yeah, I'd say that's how the sort of VC ecosystem landscape.

14:11We've been very, rather successful, let's say relatively successful in raising our seed round late last year, which is around $5 billion, both in carbon finance and equity, but actively now looking to raise series A.

14:25And it's been, and for some context, our seed round was led by African VCs, because there's often, as much as the global North America, Canada, Europe, they do have a lot more companies, of course, so they get to understand the technology.

14:46There's a bit of a geographical risk that we've constantly had from potential investors that are a bit too far away.

14:55So, yeah, which is, if you open it, it's fine, justifiable, I guess.

15:00Yeah, that's how it is.

15:03And series A is looking quite likely to follow the same pattern, but you're actively looking to have conversations with other global VCs as well.

15:13Wow. I love your passion. You sound very passionate, like when you're speaking, it's very contagious.

15:19I can see you really like it. And I can imagine with all the challenges and errors that you face, like what keeps you, why are you so excited?

15:27I think it's because, just statistically, sorry, Africa is disproportionately affected by climate change despite contributing the least emissions worldwide as a continent and not just as a country, you know, as Kenya.

15:43So, and I've seen how devastating climate change can be and just how fastly deteriorating it can also get.

15:53So, from the melting of the ice cuts in Mankanya, I think that's a very visual representation.

15:58But where I'm from, ethnically, it's a very traditionally green area, very fertile soil and all that to the point it gets humid.

16:07But in recent years, irregularities in weather patterns makes farming a bit difficult and that's super helpful for an agricultural nation that just relies on agriculture for a lot of its exports.

16:22So, it's harming smallholder farmers, largeholder farmers exports, etc. And it's really painful to see your family not being able to get the returns that you usually do simply because of climate change.

16:37So, I wake up every day super passionate to be able to work actively towards reversing the effect of climate change, obviously alongside other technologies, methodologies, etc.

16:50It always has to be all hands on deck. Dark and engineered carbon removal is not any better than the next one.

16:59It just has to work hand in hand towards achieving what we do and we have a lot of work to do.

17:05I think they say we have 5 to 10 billion tons to remove annually from the atmosphere of excess CO2. That's insane.

17:12So, a lot more resources need to be poured into various methodologies and towards reversing climate change.

17:20I think that's where my passion comes from. It comes from a bit of a slightly sad place, but it keeps me going. It is my main driver every day.

17:29So, you guys do the entire process, right? You're vertically integrated, so you have everything in house.

17:36And you do the entire process from R&D and production of the machineries that you want to use to basically help the environment remove CO2 emissions.

17:46Is there an issue with scale? Like what is the demand for that right now? I know there's not that much education.

17:55And so you guys are working on getting, for example, politicians and all that to really understand how important this is.

18:02But is there already like a demand or like people wanting this in the country?

18:08Yes. So as much as perhaps we have to start from the grassroots level and education and all that, we have seen pretty great interest and genuine support from the various ministries in the Kenyan government,

18:23Ministry of Environment, Ministry of Environment, ETC, they've been actively supportive and have various members of the government actively and publicly supporting us.

18:32So it is encouraging because they see, one, the potential of obviously the climate benefits of it, but also the sort of, how can I say, inward economic development

18:46that director capture and various technologies and green technologies can bring into the country and not just job creation.

18:53We have revenue just building the country's economy.

18:55And Kenya's president, President Putin has been actively and has outrightly been a climate champion worldwide really.

19:06So there is genuine support and he wants carbon credits to be Kenya's greatest export, past tea and coffee,

19:13which is a huge, a huge ticket to try and achieve, but so far so good.

19:19So we do have genuine support from the government and various politicians and all those influential policymakers and all.

19:29That's super cool. I think aim for the moon, land among the stars, right? That's what people say.

19:34And I think carbon credits tends to be one of those topics that people are a bit, you know, like you said,

19:41not everyone knows what it means and the people that may know have a certain misconception about them, let's say.

19:48So what are some of the myths that you have seen around carbon credits that you can help us debunk?

19:53Oh, wow. Yeah, I think I should just wear a mic in all my family events, especially because I sell carbon credits.

20:01So carbon credits is often seen as a license to emit, which I don't pay people for, especially if there's no deep understanding and mass education of what carbon credits can actually do.

20:15So yeah, it has been seen as a permission to emit more that as long as some random people are selling carbon credits,

20:24then all the massive industries can just have a free fall towards emissions, which is obviously not true.

20:30But also in the sense that, especially in the Kenyan context, it's a bit more sensitive.

20:37There's a lot of public misconceptions surrounding carbon credits, especially surrounding the topic of green extractivism,

20:46where essentially project developers or certain project developers don't quite inform the communities into which they're developing their projects,

20:58don't inform them of the revenue and the potential that certain projects can bring to them and also, honestly, to the project developers as well.

21:07And to that end, thankfully, Kenya's Ministry of Environment and Climate Change put certain restrictions on that,

21:14where there should be sort of, I believe it's called revenue sharing or community benefit sharing,

21:20where a percentage of revenue of the project does and must approach the community.

21:26But that misconception of perhaps current companies coming to develop projects that folks don't quite understand and taking all the benefits.

21:36or monetary benefits, really, outside the country, which obviously isn't right.

21:42And that's where the sort of local Kenyan misconception comes from.

21:47And yeah, I don't think it's the right thing to do, obviously.

21:50Community engagement must and should be done from the conception of any project that you're handling,

21:56dam, forestry, whatever it is, and deeply explain to the community what benefits this project should have,

22:05beyond, obviously, climate benefit, and then be very open about that.

22:09And I'm hoping that various regulations and that trigger will be implemented as soon as possible.

22:17Yeah.

22:18And do you think that the misunderstanding of carbon credits is just a lack of information?

22:23Or are there examples of them, you know, being abused, so to speak?

22:28It's similar to sustainable development was meant to be this great thing.

22:32And now it's debated if it is.

22:35Well, a carbon credit, like what exactly, like when you say you want to export carbon credits,

22:40you want that to be the main thing.

22:42What exactly does that mean?

22:43Like from the root, what is a carbon credit?

22:47Why does it matter?

22:48Right?

22:49Yeah.

22:50A carbon credit is essentially, I like to describe it as a token or a certificate,

22:55representing one ton of CO2 removed or avoided or, yeah, I think removed or avoided.

23:04Let's just settle with that definition.

23:07So essentially, for a project like ours, we actively remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

23:13And if we remove one ton and permanently store it, restore it geologically underground,

23:19say, for thousands, millions of years, then that is one carbon credit.

23:25Yeah.

23:26So how we look at exporting, and surprisingly, Africa has been trading, and Kenya specifically

23:32has been trading carbon credits since the early 90s.

23:35It's how some massive industries get to offset their emissions.

23:42Say they've emitted in a year.

23:46This is just top of mind.

23:48Don't formula this 50 tons.

23:50Now they should be required to offset said emissions and buy carbon credits from projects

23:57like ours or across the world, maybe 50 tons or more, right?

24:02So that's essentially the importance of a carbon credit.

24:07There are certain regulations, obviously, that should be put in place that mandates certain

24:13massive industries to have to offset or just the cap and trade where you're allowed to offset

24:19up to a certain point where it's not excessively harmful to the environment.

24:23And in case you do, and it is predicted that you'll do, you have to offset emissions from

24:28certain projects.

24:29So that's the essence of our carbon credits and sort of exporting carbon credits as well.

24:35So your service could be, your services basically, they could be for a company, they have a certain

24:42amount of sort of carbon debt, I guess you could say.

24:45And by using you guys, by supporting you guys, you can help them offset that.

24:52And for, for the amount of carbon they emit, you can help them remove a certain amount and

24:57they can sort of reach an equilibrium.

24:59Yes.

25:00That is.

25:01Or hopefully, hopefully more than an equilibrium, right?

25:03We can remove carbon from, from the, we can start, start removing it.

25:08Do carbon credits also work as in like, let's say you have a baseline of amount of carbon emitted.

25:14If they lower that, manage to lower that by making processes more efficient, or does that actively

25:20count as a carbon credit for them?

25:22Okay.

25:23I wouldn't say that.

25:25In essence, there should be active activity in the sense that we always encourage people

25:31to reduce as much as possible.

25:33And then from there, please look to offset the said emissions that you can't quite avoid.

25:39Right.

25:40So I wouldn't say reducing is, can qualify as a carbon credit, but perhaps starting in

25:49certain contexts, like for example, the clean cooking industry aims to avoid certain emissions

25:55and clean cooking is super, super huge in Kenya and with good reason where even my grandmother

26:00still used to cook with firewood up until, well, very few years ago until now she had to buy a clean,

26:07a clean stove just to take care of your health and everything.

26:10So that's emissions avoided.

26:11Right.

26:12And you can get carbon credits from that.

26:14Same as removing, but I wouldn't say avoidance would count, but don't worry about that.

26:20I'm not an expert on the ever evolving.

26:23But reduction, I imagine also it requires its own incentive structure, right?

26:29So that, so that you can, so, so that people care about it.

26:33Yeah.

26:34People care about it and they can get to call themselves.

26:38Yeah.

26:39Yeah.

26:40Put that in their promotion.

26:41Yeah.

26:42It sounds like it works for everybody when you do that.

26:45And then I wanted to circle back to something you were talking about of developing in house,

26:51doing everything, you know, basically at home.

26:54And there's this, there's been this trend of Africa specifically being a recipient of tech.

27:01So how do you guys ensure that Kenya isn't just a recipient of important tech,

27:08but a leader in defining and developing it?

27:10Yeah.

27:11Yeah.

27:12So at least in Octavian, we typically seek to repeat and reinforce that you have to build

27:21where the resources are, especially for direct air capture.

27:25And just for a bit of context, direct air capture is incredibly energy intensive

27:31because you can imagine, I think the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is around 0.04.

27:37They're about 0.04%.

27:39So you need to move massive amounts of air through a machine to actively capture a ton of CO2,

27:46as you mentioned here.

27:48So in the sense that it's super energy intensive, so you cannot say that you're using sort of

27:53fossil fuel energy to now remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

27:58You're taking steps back, which is very noble, but like 10% backwards.

28:04It doesn't quite back up.

28:06Now in Kenya specifically, we have our energy is thankfully over 90% renewable.

28:13So in that essence, we have very clean energy to actively remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

28:19And resources isn't just energy.

28:21It's both human and human resources as well.

28:25So we do everything in-house, but we also are very, very keen on utilizing the very talented and innovative Kenyan talent that we have in the country.

28:38As I mentioned, DAC is quite noble.

28:40It's quite difficult to achieve.

28:42So I don't believe that you need all the PhDs across the board to actively achieve DAC.

28:49It's still noble, so you still learn on the job.

28:53So in that sense, it's both human and natural resources that we are super, super keen on, on deploying direct tech up-changes, climate tech.

29:06So innovation does not need to be important.

29:09It can be locally grown and it's often more resilient and also more cost effective.

29:14A dollar here in Kenya goes a lot farther than a dollar in the US or a pound in Europe.

29:21So that's how we get to scale and propel as fast as we can.

29:26You guys work with mostly engineers in your company, right?

29:29Which I think one of the big problems is a lot of companies have a lot of managers, right?

29:33They have a minority of engineers.

29:35And then you also have the fact that they don't, if you give engineers, brilliant people, enough time, time, they can solve anything.

29:45And you don't really get that in a lot of sectors.

29:49They don't have enough time to do anything right.

29:51And then I just want to close off with having you think about what would a truly inclusive, just climate tech future look like for you?

30:01What kind of future are you guys building?

30:04We're building a future where, obviously, as I mentioned, we don't need to import any technology.

30:10Innovation can happen here.

30:12And very much against or very much for internal green industrialization and internal economic development, where essentially in case, and a lot of companies have announced wanting to come to Kenya, obviously, because of the resources, both human and natural that I've mentioned, that to encourage them to use and utilize, obviously, the natural resources that we have.

30:39We need all hands on deck to solve this really huge problem, but also to keep in mind about the local talent that we have and build upon that as well.

30:51So that's what I think climate justice looks like.

30:55You don't have to be victims of climate change.

30:58As I mentioned earlier, we're super deproportionately affected.

31:01You can do everything that you can with what you have to be able to move forward and just tilt the scale a little bit.

31:12We recognize that we are still a small company and we have a lot to do.

31:15But as I like to say, and that's why our project is called Project Hummingbird.

31:19You do everything that you can with what you have.

31:22A hummingbird is a tiny, tiny bird.

31:24And there's a lot of lore behind a sort of fog tail.

31:28But time is up.

31:29I wouldn't dive too much into it.

31:31But just doing what you can with what you have.