Powering Climate Justice: Deborah Fadeyi on Energy Access & Climate Finance | Tangelic Talks S03E12 - video Dailymotion

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What does it take to build a fair and sustainable energy future? ⚡   In this episode, hosts Victoria Cornelio and Andres Tamez talk with Deborah Fadeyi, founder of REES Africa and Decarbonization Lead at Thames Water, about the journey from local activism to global impact.   🌍 From powering off-grid communities to reshaping climate finance, Deborah’s work shows how youth leadership and inclusive innovation can redefine energy access across Africa and beyond.   🔥 Highlights:  🌱 Clean energy for rural communities  💰 Climate finance as a force for equity  🏛 Empowering youth & women in sustainability  🌍 Building South–South climate collaboration  💬 Real stories of resilience and innovation   📌 Timestamps:  00:00–01:51 Childhood, Energy Poverty & The Spark for Change  01:52–03:46 Meet Deborah Fadeyi: Building an Equitable Energy Future  03:47–06:44 From Tragedy to Purpose: Creating Clean Energy Access in Nigeria  06:45–09:08 From Passion to Leadership: Mentoring Youth & Building Capacity  09:09–13:32 Lived Experience in Climate Models: Why Context Matters  13:33–17:41 Entering Policy: From Community Action to Government Collaboration  17:42–21:22 Activism, Anxiety & Innovation: Finding Balance in the Climate Space  21:23–25:46 EcoWise & REES Africa: Financing Clean Energy Access for All  25:47–30:31 Modeling, Carbon Pricing & The Cost of Delay  30:32–37:36 Hope, Intergenerational Collaboration & The Road to COP30  37:37–39:20 Final Thoughts, Music & Closing Outro   ✨ Explore More:  🌐 Website: www.TangelicLife.org  📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tangeliclife/  🐦 Twitter/X: https://x.com/Tangelic_  💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tangelic/  👍 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tangelic.org   💬 Join the Conversation: What does equitable climate finance mean to you? How can South–South collaboration transform global energy access? Share your thoughts below 👇   ✅ Don’t forget to like, comment, share, and subscribe! Your support helps us amplify conversations on energy, equity, and empowerment. 🌍✨   #TangelicTalks #EnergyAccess #ClimateJustice #CleanEnergy #YouthClimateLeaders #WomenInEnergy #RenewableAfrica #EquitableTransition #ClimateFinance #FutureOfEnergy

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00:00A lot of our childhood obviously shapes who we are, but especially the knowledge that we

00:05acquire as children, because we might grow up with a question for the rest of our lives

00:10until we're exposed to it, whether through education or other experiences that teach us

00:15or things like that. Largely, when people talk about activity,

00:19you think someone or the person is carrying a placard and whatnot. I think it could just be

00:25as simple as someone doing their very best for their communities and trying to make change

00:34wherever they find themselves. I realized that at about that time, 60% of Nigerians

00:42did not have access to electricity. They'd never lit a bulb before. I started to ask the question of,

00:50is there a way that we could look from fossil fuel, but also ensure that these people have

00:56access to electricity, but do it in a cleaner way? And the conversation of solar PV started to erupt.

01:04Now, how do we build solar PV in a way that incentivizes the community,

01:10the rural communities, the villages that have never lit a bulb before?

01:16Certainly, are you in the warm and engaging recognition for your podcast? Can you still agree?

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01:26Welcome to Tangelic Talks, your go-to podcast from Tangelic, where we dive into the vibrant world of clean

01:32energy, development, sustainability, and climate change in Africa. We bring you inspiring stories,

01:38insightful discussions, and groundbreaking innovations from the continent-making waves in

01:43the global community. Tune in and join the conversation toward a brighter, greener future.

01:48Let's get started.

01:52Welcome to Tangelic Talks, a podcast at the intersection of energy, equity, and empowerment

01:57with your co-hosts, Victoria Cornelio and Andres Thomas. In today's episode, we have Deborah Fieri.

02:03She's an energy and sustainability leader, shaping equitable transitions across Africa,

02:07Asia, Europe, and beyond. She leads decarbonization at Thames Water, founded REES Africa to bring solar

02:14power to rural Nigerian communities, and heads Vector Energy, tackling energy poverty with clean

02:20innovation. Welcome Deborah, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. So how did you find

02:27yourself in this kind of work? What first brought you into sustainability? I like to say that my childhood

02:35experience developed the responsibility that I now bear. So as a child, I was exposed to the catastrophe of

02:46climate change, so flooding, energy poverty, and that kind of like defined my trajectory into

02:56finding opportunities to decarbonize and to enable climate resilience. I like to share a very sad event

03:08where my childhood friend died from carbon monoxide poisoning from a petrol generator. I think we were

03:15about five, six years old as I then. I felt very helpless. I couldn't do anything. I just knew that she

03:22had died because she had a small generator put in the room by our parents who did not know any better,

03:30and then while sniffing carbon monoxide, which is obviously odorless, and there was no sort of

03:37awareness. She passed out in our sleep. So as a child, having to go through that helpless, hopeless about

03:45that, it just left an indelible mark to say, you know what, if when I grow, I'm going to find

03:51opportunities to solve for this. And the problem became complex as I started to look at it even more

04:00critically and got into university. For the very first time, I understood what global warming is,

04:08and then it all made sense, you know, having to pass through, um, this issues, energy poverty, flooding,

04:15and not being able to qualify it. Um, but then it started to make sense, um, when education was like

04:22involved and, you know, I then started to look at ways that, um, I can, I could, you know, make change.

04:30And one of the most deliberate ways that I started to do that was if my friend, my childhood friend died

04:37for carbon monoxide poisoning, how many people across Nigeria are passing through the same, right?

04:43Can I develop a solution that could essentially fix for, um, that five-year-old girl that essentially

04:51passed through that? And I found something even more damning in that sense, because I realized that

05:00at about that time, 60% of Nigerians, you did not have access to electricity. Like they'd never

05:06lit a bulb before, right? So I started to ask the question of, is there a way that we could

05:14look from fossil fuel, but also ensure that these people have access to electricity, but do it in a

05:20cleaner way. And the conversation of solar PV started to erupt. Now, how do we build solar PV in a way

05:29that, um, incentivizes the community, the rural communities, the villages that have never lit a bulb before,

05:35to use solar, but not just to light a bulb, but also for productive use. So for context, Nigeria

05:43is about 200, 250 million people, right? And, um, in majority of that population are youths. So I

05:52gathered youths across, um, um, Nigeria and we started to develop solutions for rural communities to, um, provide

06:01access to electricity for them. And then my journey just essentially, um, moved on from that because

06:08governments started to reach out, multilaterials started to reach out to get my opinion about,

06:13you know, how to provide just transition for communities and provide climate resilience.

06:20And essentially that's how I, um, started. And now, um, I work within, um, Thames Water as the

06:30carbonization lead, but I'm still an entrepreneur, a social entrepreneur at art. Like I will find

06:35solutions. I'll find innovations that would essentially make people's life simple enough to

06:40build some sort of climate resilience for themselves. And that's what I do with the other,

06:45you know, side, um, projects that I'm on. Take, for example, eco wise, um, which is an innovation

06:52on that vector energy. Right. Okay. First of all, I'm really sorry. I can only imagine

06:59an experience like that. And it sounds very personal to you, the motivation of what got you

07:05into this world of sustainability. I'm interested in what the conversations were around the issues that

07:13you were looking at. Cause one thing is to be someone who is thinking of solutions, but then

07:19the bigger issue is convincing people that this is a solution or that this is even a problem.

07:24So is that something that you had to encounter when you started embarking on this journey?

07:30Yes, absolutely. I think, um, for one, there is a point, there is a point where passion would

07:37essentially take you to, and there is a point where, um, passion would stop and things that, um, values

07:44like perseverance, having the metal, having to be able to convince people to lead people would go

07:50right. And as I did mention earlier, I had to scout for, um, youths, you know, with the same passion

07:57that I have with the same burn that I had, you know, to build, um, solutions as this. And essentially,

08:04what I found was that when you build solutions that people have had lived experiences about,

08:13right, they become the, they become the, the, they, they become the advocate of such solutions.

08:19And then they start to, you know, create similar or even better solutions within their local

08:25communities. Right. So, so far I've mentored over 2000 youths and, um, there are a lot of youths

08:33doing amazing things out there in Nigeria, across the world, you know, working in places, in areas

08:40where, you know, feeds into climate resilience, feeds into, um, um, um, global climate policies,

08:47um, basically advancing equitable climate solutions, and they're doing a fantastic job. So

08:53in as much as I started small and I started with that experience, um, I've just been able to find

09:00people that have gone beyond passion, but taking it as responsibilities, um, to build capabilities as

09:08practitioners and engage other people. So it's a gift that keeps on giving, um, based on the fact that

09:15I, I led from a place of responsibility as opposed to just, you know, passion.

09:20Yeah. Yeah. And having sort of that backing of the data, the science, the, the evidence really,

09:29whether that's an interview or a testimony or just raw data. Right.

09:34Yeah, exactly. And you work across many different contexts, basically geographical, but also I can

09:45imagine Nigeria is in a monolith and depending where you're working, the context will be different,

09:49the local community, those sorts of things. So what gaps do you see in current climate models

09:56when it comes to representing the realities of the global South or, or Nigeria specifically?

10:01Yeah. So, um, as you did mention, I've worked across different continents. Um,

10:10and I think what essentially adds value to the work that I do either in, um, decarbonization or

10:18sustainability or energy transitions is the fact that I've got lived experiences. Oftentimes we find

10:25that that the, um, people pushing for equitable, equitable, um, transition or just transition,

10:32they don't necessarily understand the realities of, um, of the people that they are developing the

10:41solution for. Right. And I will take an example when we, um, there's a project that I worked on on

10:46clean cooking, um, where we had a stakeholder engagement and one of the conversations from,

10:53um, and then cause we, we, from the way I see it, you know, you would not exactly in that stakeholder

11:00engagement in that wider stakeholder engagement, you would not want to involve a rural woman that

11:05cooks with firewoods. You would, you would see it as a beneficiary, but she's actually a key stakeholder

11:12in that room because she's got lived experience, um, for that. And then we brought that, um, the rural

11:19woman in and the conversation changed because the reason why they would cook their local dish

11:27with firewood knowing fully well that's detrimental to their health, you know, detrimental to, you know,

11:33their children's health, uh, and so on is the fact that they think that the smoke adds some sort of value

11:39or some sort of, um, death to the, to the food, to the delicacy. Right. Yes. So we had to show them

11:49that, you know, we had to create like a mini cooking scenario where, you know, we cook the same dish.

11:58They cook. In fact, they cook the same dish with, um, clean cooking, clean cooking stove. And they did the

12:05same with their conventional, um, method. Right. And the food was even for some reason better. The food,

12:16the clean cooked, um, cooked food was even better than, you know, the conventional. So having to show

12:22them this realities, um, um, also kind of like deepens the conversation, but it also gets us to understand

12:29what their lived experiences are because like I just said, right. The, the only sort of, um, challenge

12:36to them switching is the fact that they think that the food will not be delicious. Right. So, um, it's

12:43very critical to have, um, um, these experiences embodied within energy modeling, you know, you can

12:50have in a model, you can hide, especially when you're doing scenarios, um, um, some sort of scenario

12:56modeling, you have the data, right. You have the data from a, um, quantitative perspective,

13:02but you also have to layer, you have to also multi-layer it with the qualitative aspect,

13:08right. So ensure that you are making actionable policies and you're creating, um, equitable solutions

13:15that benefit the people that you're essentially looking for them to adopt, because if they're not

13:20able to adopt the solution, they tell you it's not working and it's not even about the technology.

13:25It's the fact that they've not, you've not created ways or you've not, um, um, created

13:30mechanisms for them to be able to adopt the system. And, and, and that's why solutions must be

13:35co-created with the communities or the stakeholders that they're essentially beautiful in the first

13:40place. Yeah, definitely. And I think you're bang on with that because coming in with a solution

13:46and kind of dropping it on someone's lab doesn't make the solution effective if you haven't explained

13:53how that works, but also insights like we think the smoke makes the food better. You don't get that

13:59from a poll, you know, that's only possible when you do direct engagement and you're chatting people

14:05and they say that, right. How do you even ask that question? How do you even think about that question?

14:11If it's not part of your lived experience? Exactly. Exactly. So that, um, layer, that multi-layered

14:18approach, um, needs to be factored into modeling, um, so that I can make the, um, we can make, because

14:26obviously models help to define or redefine policies so that I can make that put policy robust enough for

14:33it to be adopted and actionable. Definitely. And what's the process to getting it into policy?

14:39Yeah. So I've worked on a couple of policy projects. So, um, the way I see it, right. Um,

14:46I would say that my entry into policy design and whatnot is a bit different from, uh, others. So

14:56it's better that I just share my, my journey. So like I did mention my journey spiral from, um,

15:03me having to actively engage with the communities and build local solutions for them. And I became a

15:08voice as to that. And whilst I was doing, I was also building capabilities, you know, of course,

15:12education is very, very much important. And then when I was able to get into, you know, policy design

15:19I'm working for the government, um, working, um, with multilaterials, uh, like Irina, um, I did quite

15:28understand how, you know, policy engagement and policy, um, design, um, essentially works. Right. Um,

15:38I would say that, um, if you, if you actually want to get into policy, um, find ways, well, find ways to,

15:47to learn, to learn what, um, the steps could be, right. Cause obviously it can be different depending

15:54on the level of expertise or your background and then position yourself, um, um, through,

16:02you know, the different UN engagements. I think there is, um, um, um, the, the, well, for energy

16:10transition as there's the SDG seven years constituency, find opportunities to, you know, um, feedback

16:17into, um, consultation responses, either in your country, on a national level, um, be very,

16:24you know, um, be very conversant with what the policies are within your country and how,

16:30you know, you can essentially, um, uh, um, contribute to, you know, its delivery or, you know,

16:37updates. I don't know how other countries work, but, you know, um, they are, well, in the UK,

16:42there are consultations every now and then, and even within the role that I do at Ameswater,

16:48I still respond to, um, consultations, you know, policy consultations by the government.

16:54And the reason essentially why it, um, a country like the UK would first ask, you know, carry out

17:03stakeholder engagement, ask, um, um, for expert views or stakeholder views on different policy,

17:10um, consultation before they essentially, um, get enacted is because they are trying to ensure

17:16that, you know, all, everything is covered and imputes, um, such as, um, from different, from

17:22wider stakeholder that is also captured and it's, you know, the policy is robust and all of that. So,

17:28um, having to start reading, I would say, do a lot of reading, find opportunities to, you know,

17:34share, um, what you essentially think about the difference or, you know, through different

17:40platforms to share what you essentially think about policies and put yourself out there. Join,

17:45um, um, organizations such as the UN SDG 7 Youth Consistency. I know that there's a lot of

17:51opportunities for policies, um, um, response and, um, deliveries across, um, across this platform. So,

18:01yeah. And you wear many hats because it's not just policy, right? You were nominated or named

18:082024 Cardiff's environmental activist. What was that like? What, what's that journey in activism?

18:16Yeah. So, um, I think largely when people talk about activity, activity things, or the person is

18:23carrying a placard and whatnot, I think it could just be as simple as, you know, someone doing,

18:31doing their very best for their communities and trying to make change wherever they find themselves,

18:38right? And in this case, in the environment, for the environment, right? Um, we've talked about

18:44just one part of, I like to consider myself as a person of many working parts and that's because,

18:51um, I, up until recently, I used to experience climate anxiety. Um, it's a huge issue for,

19:03especially my friends that I, you know, in this space as well, we've experienced it. It's not

19:08something that is largely talked about, but, um, it's something that is real, right? When you think

19:14about the skill and deliverability of net zero, of the challenge, having to keep temperatures below

19:211.5 degrees and, uh, you know, there's limited control or limited influence in that sense as a

19:28person, you start to become anxious of what could essentially be delivered. And especially where,

19:36you know, governments may not be moving as fast as, you know, they're supposed to, and there's a lot of

19:42obstacles and whatnot, but I've just tried my best to essentially manage it in the sense that I have,

19:50I have different things that I do. So I, as I did mention, I work as decarbonization need,

19:56I think it's water and I am putting my absolute best to ensure that, you know, we decarbonize, um,

20:03long-term, long-term commitments to 2050, short-term commitments, um, and try to find opportunities

20:10for us to, you know, deliver, um, emissions reductions across the business, right? That is

20:16my, that is essentially my core, but that doesn't stop me from being an innovator, right? To take,

20:22for example, I'm working on a project called EcoWise. Um, so basically it's an unlocking climate finance

20:29for solar developers. Um, if you look at a country like Nigeria, right? And even across Africa, you know,

20:37um, the, um, the World Bank and, uh, uh, AFDB as well as C4All, um, recently started a program called

20:46Mission 300 because it would, well, reports have shown that we will not achieve SDG 7 by 2030 at this

20:55space, right? So Mission 300 pretty much is to sort of drive, not access to technology because access

21:03technology is not the problem, but access to finance to further subsidize access to electricity for

21:12communities and, you know, countries that do not have access to electricity and funny enough, well,

21:17not funny enough, interestingly enough, carbon offsets play a huge role to, you know, sort of channel

21:25the finance needed or the budget needed to be able to, um, subsidize access to electricity, right?

21:35And this is one of the opportunities I'm exploring. And if you look at the challenge, right, it says

21:40net zero by 2030, it doesn't, it doesn't say true zero. What that means is that there will be residual

21:47emissions and that residual emissions will be covered through offsets, right? There are several countries

21:54that are looking to, um, they've not yet, um, achieved industrialization. They are looking at energy

22:03to be that engine that enables them to do it. Will they use fossil fuel to do that? We don't want

22:08them to do that. How do we incentivize them to use renewables like solar, wind and whatnot? So that

22:16investment from how to abate sectors, you know, um, um, such as aviation, construction, built environment,

22:24who have tried all their best to reduce their emissions, but they still have residual emissions

22:29can buy the carbon offsets from countries, um, that are implementing renewables, for instance,

22:37because there are other ways to, you know, get offsets, um, and then take that finance, right?

22:43To further subsidize to their customers, right? Or connect more people to electricity or just kill,

22:52so to speak. So that's, is what equalized wants to do. So basically unlocking to start with,

23:00unlocking climate finance for solar developers. And we're hoping that, well, from the scenario

23:07modeling that we've done, at least 13% of the finance needed for a country like Nigeria to achieve

23:1510 gigawatts of solar, um, ambition will come from, um, this, this, um, offsets, this credits in itself.

23:24So what is missing is the data, the data, transparency and integrity for verifiers like

23:31Vera or gold standard to be able to, you know, um, give it thumbs up and say, yes, this works. And also,

23:39obviously streamline it in such a way that it is not accessible to smaller solar developers who have,

23:45you know, mini grid projects that are less than a hundred kilowatts and whatnot. And they're also able

23:50to get the money to essentially scale. So closing that gap of, um, data, uh, uh, lack of data transparency

23:59and making the data bankable and verifiable is what that innovation does. Right. And essentially,

24:06that's one of the things that I'm working on. I know that it's going to be a game changer for,

24:11you know, um, rural communities, um, um, within Nigeria, and hopefully we can expand to Africa.

24:18Then with East Africa, very much connected. Um, um, uh, I also run, uh, uh, a climate, um, um, sort of

24:28publication networks as well. We've got books that we write, um, we author for children to understand

24:36what climate change is, what they can do, you know, just basically creating awareness. Cause I feel

24:41like if there are, I feel like if I had known some things growing up about climate change,

24:48perhaps my journey would that be more fast track or a bit more different, but just basically having

24:54to educate children, children, catch them young is super important. And some, some of the books

25:00have been adopted into the Nigerian curriculum, right? That's incredible. Yeah. Yeah. To enable

25:06children understand and take it seriously. So yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's right. Like a lot of our

25:12childhood obviously shapes who we are, but especially the knowledge that we acquire as children,

25:18because we might grow up with a question for the rest of our lives until we're exposed to it,

25:23whether through education or other experiences that teachers or things like that. And I wanted to

25:29let people know that eco wise was shortlisted for a price, right? Yes. It was shortlisted for the earth

25:36shop price. Um, and we won, um, the C4O Innovator award in Barbados earlier this year. Amazing. Incredible.

25:47Yeah. So it's not just this abstract idea that you have, but like it's getting recognition,

25:51it's patented now. It's something that's moving forward and we encourage people to keep an eye on it.

25:57Do you guys have a website that we should plug? Yes. Yeah. So that's, um, okay, super. Um,

26:04inspector.io is just as simple as that. We also have an emotional stakeholder engagement in October.

26:09So if you're in Nigeria, um, it's happening in Abuja, you can reach out to us. We'll send you the details.

26:16But basically what the most stakeholder engagement is, is to increase the awareness on carbon credits.

26:23A lot of people hear the word carbon credits. In fact, I feel like it's overused. The word in

26:27itself is overused for so many people do not understand how it works, right? So first we want

26:33to break it down and get stakeholders, key stakeholders across, um, the solar and climate finance sector

26:41to come in, um, and have a sit down, explain, um, what it is and also share the learnings and the

26:48progress that we've achieved on eco, um, on eco wise. Um, we've got stakeholders like the British

26:53council, um, we're interested in, of course, in innovation, um, um, um, FCDOT as well, you know,

27:00um, different stakeholders, um, that are looking to essentially, um, see what the outcome of

27:07unlocking climate finance could look like. Of course. And then if we circle back to

27:13sustainable energy modeling, can that help us better understand the trade-offs and pathways

27:18towards achieving global net zero targets? Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, and in that way,

27:25we are able to put in several or different instruments that will enable us get there because,

27:31um, when we start to model, um, for energy, right, it's first, it's going to be an energy mix. Second,

27:39it's going to be, where will the money come from, right? Well, do the money come from to, um, capex?

27:45This technology is, um, at certain periods, at certain periods, watch it, um, sort of, um, grow,

27:54right into 2030, say midterm, um, long-term into 2050, and then see what their mission benefits

28:01would look like. So there is need for some, um, sort of commitment or I would say financial

28:09commitments to enable the modeling. So whilst we build models, um, that show, um, the, um, pathway to

28:182050, right, we should also build in what the financials would look like. So we're not just

28:24looking at what technologies or what emissions reductions, um, would look like, but also what the

28:32finance would look like and what will be the speed of finance. Um, it's one, one of the most recent,

28:40um, models that I've, I've, um, had the privilege of looking at is there is in the, in, in the modeling,

28:48the, the, the, the carbon pricing was also included. So if you continued with coal, what could be the

28:56carbon abatement cost for that, right? Is it a function of you continually emitting, um, um,

29:06emitting carbon, right? Still using cheap coal, but when the cost of carbon is being applied to it,

29:12what does that look like, right? Or if you were to continue to use diesel, when there's an opportunity

29:20right now to use hydrogenated vegetable oil, what does the carbon abatement cost look like, right?

29:28And then how does that essentially match up to the, uh, or sort of subsidize the cost of, um,

29:36hydrogenated vegetable oil in such a way that when, um, diesel or proposed, um, pricing of diesel

29:44goes up onto 2050 because of the additional carbon tax being layered on it, you see HVO, um, continually

29:52drop or, um, grid electricity, um, continue, continually decarbonize in that sense, right?

29:59So, um, those are the kind of a fresh perspective that we need to bring into the modeling.

30:05So, uh, help stakeholders, finance stakeholders, you know, government understand what it would look

30:12like and what could be the repercussions if we do not move, um, as early as possible,

30:18because the best time to decarbonize was yesterday. In fact, it was like in 2000, right?

30:26And the second best time, yeah, pretty much.

30:31And then, cause you said you don't deal with climate anxiety anymore and I am so happy for you

30:38and a little jealous, but in these spaces that you're in, especially in policy and activism

30:44and talking to people, stakeholder engagement, all this stuff, what gives you hope when it comes

30:50to achieving climate justice in this global space? What is the thing that you kind of hold on to?

30:56I think right now, um, maybe if, maybe I didn't get enough, um, overview of what was happening,

31:04um, like five years ago, but right now I'm, I'm much closer to where everything is happening, right?

31:11Right. And what gives me confidence is when I see someone like me, like my age, essentially walk

31:20into the room and they are part of, you know, the conversation or part of the, um, solution or

31:27part of that, that design and whatnot. So it gives me confidence because I know that

31:33when the seniors retire, these are the set of people that will feel their position and we are more

31:42than capable from, from, by the looks of it, we're more than capable to, to, to, and we are, you know,

31:48um, being sort of, um, propelled or being, um, put on a pedestal to be able to do that. Not on a pedestal

31:57in the sense that we do not have the right qualifications to work, but we've been given the

32:01opportunity and we've sort of built ourselves to, you know, occupy, um, those rooms. Um, I had,

32:08um, I had the, well, not necessarily conversation. I was invited to speak to, um, uh, a room of

32:16stakeholders, senior stakeholders in, um, in energy, um, energy transition, basically the energy and

32:23climate space. And it was, uh, it was a gathering, um, organized by international, international energy

32:31agency and, um, DESNAS. And one of my plea was that to essentially allow for intergenerational,

32:42um, uh, um, dialogue in that sense, intergenerational capacity building, because obviously,

32:49um, these people know a lot, but the, the seniors, not these people, the seniors know a lot. Um,

32:57but they might not understand, understand it the way that millennials or, um, younger generations,

33:05um, uh, understand, they don't, they might not understand the nuances, um, that are attached to,

33:11to this. So we add our creativity, our, you know, exuberance, you know, all of the things

33:17that makes us who we are as a gen, as you know, as our generation, as the younger generation to

33:23the wisdom that they have. And now we're seeing that happen, um, even more, um, um, frequently.

33:30We're seeing that happen in, in, in, in this space where, you know, we have been given an opportunity

33:35to add more value and whatnot. So that, that sort of gives me confidence. And, um, for the fact that

33:42I now have more tools and more, you know, but more, um, platforms to work with that helps,

33:49that helps the, um, climate anxiety, because then again, I know that if I do this, this way,

33:54if I'm able to push to set into, I'm able to get buying, uh, then this will become, you know,

34:00in reality. And I totally understand that we can exactly do everything. If that makes sense,

34:07we can't do everything, but having to also train younger generations coming, investing younger

34:12generations coming in, and this is what I'm also passionate about, you know, I'm writing books to

34:17get across to younger, um, children as well. So they are more equipped better than I am, um,

34:25when I'm doing this. And, um, finally, I think the world is the, the, uh, there's still,

34:35there's still a lot to be done, but there, there is now this urgency. Well, I'm seeing,

34:40it feels like I'm, um, maybe I'm just the only one seeing it, but I feel like there is now this

34:45urgency now that we are approaching climate, um, COP30, which is holding in Belém Brazil.

34:51There's now this urgency to kind of like understand what we need to do to get there faster. Like we

34:57know that there isn't time anymore. We've got like, what, four years or so to 2030. So is it that we

35:04want to ship the goalpost or do we actually want to achieve this? And then now people are starting

35:09to ask deeper questions like, okay, we've tried this way severally. Like we've tried it over and

35:16over again. What can we do differently? People are starting to ask that question. What can we do

35:21differently to do that? And one of the conversations that have come up from, from that is that do we

35:27actually need COP? Do we have to be having, you know, COP every now and then, even the emissions that

35:32is attached that does that justify having to go to COP and do, and to do that, all of that. So

35:38people are asking questions, right? And it's also given, it's also giving us the premise to kind

35:44of like thinking more than say, okay, maybe there is an opportunity to do this thing, things better

35:50or find ways to, um, kind of like actualize, um, uh, um, SDG 2013. So yeah, really much looking forward to it.

35:59Let's see what comes out of COP30. Um, cause I feel like it's going to be the definer of

36:06what's going to happen in the next four years. Um, we still know that governments are still not

36:13given, um, their commitment, their finance commitment. I think it was promised a hundred

36:17billion or so. So I'm still not giving the finance to help other countries achieve net zero.

36:25Um, we're looking for, um, we're looking towards what COP30 would bring because right now I think

36:32enough talks really having to get the finance to enable countries, um, to countries, well,

36:38countries that do not have necessarily have, um, as much capacity to do what they need to do,

36:45um, to be able to achieve a net zero. And also net zero will not happen in silos,

36:50just because the UK or France achieves net zero. It doesn't mean that, uh, climate change will cease

36:58to happen in France or the UK. It has to happen globally, right? For the temperatures to come down.

37:06So we need to understand that once you create carbon budgets within national carbon budgets,

37:12which is also need to understand that if the glo for the global carbon budget, if it doesn't come down,

37:16then there is no net zero. So we need to avoid fragmented net zero. We need to.

37:24Yeah, no, it's a team effort. And we had a guest on, um, that said you can do anything,

37:31but not everything. And sort of that feeling of if you set your mind to it, you can do it,

37:37but not everything. Like you said, you're focused on your area of the issue where your expertise lies.

37:43And every day you're closer to making the difference that you want to see in the world.

37:49And it's very nice how you kind of bring it back to that intergenerational thing, because

37:54it's what you wanted growing up. It's what you're doing now. It's the kind of conversations

37:58that you're promoting. I think that's so beautiful because there's a lot we can learn from older

38:03generations. There's a lot they can learn from us. And then it's up to us to teach the ones coming

38:09after us. So it's all, it's all a cycle, right? Can't happen in time. So thank you so much. We're

38:17going to stay on for a bit longer talking about funding, finance and leadership with Deborah.

38:23Thank you so much for being here. You can check out the blog at angeliclife.org

38:27for more resources and to read more about all this interesting knowledge that Deborah is bringing to us.

38:34So once again, thank you guys for joining us. And we'll see you soon. Bye.

38:48Bye.

38:49Bye.

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