00:00Um, did you ever know Mr. Epstein to communicate with FBI agents, either like intelligence FBI agents, like as a source, or just generally with FBI agents?
00:16No.
00:17Do you think if he had done that, you would have known, like he would have told you something like that?
00:22Like if I said to you, um, Mr. Epstein was a source for the FBI, would you say, that's crazy, no he wasn't, or maybe he was, he wouldn't have told me that anyway?
00:36Um, I have two answers for that. I think if he was, for real, I think he would have bragged about it to me, as a show-off, because he could be a show-off.
00:48Um, and if he wasn't, he might have dropped it like he was cool.
00:59And I don't think, I don't remember him doing either.
01:04Now, with again, the caveat that in his, before I met him, finding money, I think, he may have suggested that there were some people who helped him, but that's the only context that I recall that in.
01:18What do you mean by that? When you said finding money, what do you mean?
01:22Well, his business, where he, remember I told you, I think in that context, he made, he showed me a photograph that he had with some, um, African warlords or something that he told me.
01:36And, you know, I guess, I don't remember if I, that's what I interpreted, like, that kind of thing, or whether it was something like that.
01:46That's the only actual active memory I have of something nefarious, more than nefarious.
01:53I don't even know if it was nefarious, but covert, I suppose, would be the word.
01:57And what about any other intelligence agency, like, um, the CIA or defense intelligence or, or any other law enforcement agency?
02:11All right. I don't, I don't think so. I think that, I don't remember anything like that.
02:17I just don't think he had the, the wherewithal, and I think that whole aspect of that is, can I use a bad word?
02:27Yes. Yes.
02:29Bullshit.
02:30Okay. And what do you, um, you think is bullshit, meaning, um, what do you mean?
02:37Um, would you have known if he was, would he have been bragging to you, would he have been saying these things?
02:44I think he was, because I, I think, well, sorry, I think that, um, I think one of the reasons why he liked me was because of, like, you know, my family connections,
02:55and why he liked other people was because they were cool or whatever, and I think that certainly early in, when I met him, he would have tried to impress me,
03:05like, or tried to show off, if you will, like he was that guy, you know, and he wasn't that guy, and so, and I think that he would have tried to bullshit me, and he didn't, so I think it's,
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