- 5 months ago
When a young mother goes missing, her husband joins the search. Then, police make an awful discovery — her dismembered body in a stack of bins. Initially, detectives find him to be a typical suburban dad, but learn a murderous psychopath lurks within.
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00:00all right
00:28so you have a co-worker who didn't show up at work yeah and I was texting with Steve this whole time
00:38the only thing that struck me weird is that he wasn't being more um directive just super duper
00:45so Steve comes to your work he came and was just emotional and hysterical he just said
01:09something bad happened this morning and then he said that uh
01:17Mania broke her neck in the shower while he was changing Oliver
01:21and he panicked so he said he'd cut her up
01:25he's on probation so that's why he was scared he said he
01:31put her in bags and put her in my garage and put a blanket over
01:36and he said don't don't turn me in and I can't go back to prison
01:41I would kill again
01:52I'm alive
01:53I don't think it was wrong
01:55the thing inside of me it's like the appetite
02:00it's like a wolf that's
02:02going
02:04longer
02:06what we do know about Mr. Johnson is that you know at the age of 18 he was convicted of
02:33rape and served 10 years in prison for that knowing his history and then hearing
02:38the story in the context of a missing person situation is the fact that you know the story
02:43already doesn't really fit together right she broke her neck in the shower like you
02:48would have a reaction to that but then the response being like oh so I cut her up and
02:54put her in several different storage bins it's just such a disconnect but then when you add
03:02in the layer of like this is somebody who has a history of disregard for somebody else's bodily
03:10autonomy that's the piece that sort of I think is most relevant
03:14I think I'll take you back
03:16I think I'll take you back
03:20he gets distressed a little bit whenever he's picked up by the police to be interviewed
03:38but until then he's really not doing much about his wife missing that leads into this idea that he he has this mask so to speak of being one person this caring loving doting husband and father but in reality there's a very different side to him and he has this
03:44he has this mask so to speak of being one person that he has this mask so to speak of being one person this caring loving doting husband and father but in reality there's a very different side to him underneath that mask
04:06thanks for waiting for you good
04:25obviously we're here to try to help in locating your wife we just want to gather as much information as we can and she's never kind of gone off like this before
04:34ever gone to visit family before
04:40sure what kind of things were you guys checking
04:44I just had I don't know
04:48I went to Nate's work
04:52he's trying to figure out how he wants to play this
04:56he's neither paying attention to what's going on around him
05:00nor is he really paying attention to his kind of feelings and emotions
05:04which we probably suspect that he probably doesn't have the ones that we might be expecting for somebody whose wife is missing
05:11but it's more like he's trying to figure things out and that's like occupying so much of his computing power that he's got to put the rest of the stuff just on autopilot
05:21okay who's who's named
05:38who's named
05:40oh he's a friend of mine but um
05:44Monia doesn't like him
05:46I started smoking a little bit when I was around him and she was upset about that and um casually drinking and the casino thing uh we go to the casino sometimes together
05:56okay
05:58okay
05:59so uh he's he's said some things about her uh in the past
06:06okay
06:07so um when I was getting like anxious like where is she she's missing um I went and confirmed him
06:17and the first thing he did was drive up to see Nate
06:22that was like my I was like thinking about what who doesn't like Monia everybody loves Monia
06:30I went out went into his work and I said uh Monia's missing do you know anything about it
06:41um
06:42um
06:43um
06:44um
06:45and he just was like a blank stare and he's like we don't want to lie
06:49like he doesn't really care
06:54the fact that he uses the phrase he doesn't really care is the almost dictionary irony
07:00and that he probably has no connection to it but you know he's again probably in his mind trying to implicate his friend and just sort of tossed off this phrase
07:09but from what we know about what happened it is incredibly poignant for him to use those words
07:17because he's the one who doesn't seem to care
07:29we just wanted to find out what your thoughts are where we maybe could start all that kind of good stuff when she went missing all that kind of stuff
07:36yeah well we had um birthday party last night with my family
07:42um
07:52your wife doesn't really love the gambling aspect does that irritate her when you go gamble and stuff
07:57no she doesn't she doesn't like it and that's one of the reasons why she doesn't
08:01tell your wife
08:03why i didn't need her don't get along
08:04you fib a little bit about what you're doing sometimes
08:06what you're doing sometimes
08:08there's been a couple times that i've went
08:10that i didn't kill her
08:11It's kind of like he's decided I'm going to have this very sort of poster child perfect family life, but I still want to do what I want when I want to do it.
08:25And so I'm going to sneak off and have that thrill seeking and that indulgence because, you know, that's what we know psychopaths crave.
08:32They want that stimulation. They want to have that gratification.
08:36So he's going to do what he wants, but the way that he's sort of utilized his charisma, if you will, is to kind of have created these two separate lives that he gets to live kind of almost in parallel.
08:57We believe that you are definitely involved in what happened to her.
09:02We believe that we've located her.
09:04Okay, we have talked to me.
09:08We don't think that you meant for this to happen, Steve.
09:12It doesn't matter anymore.
09:13I'm going to be a person fresh in my life.
09:16Are you guys arguing about Nate, about the casino?
09:21No, it was, yeah, well, it was about Nate.
09:26Are we doing this?
09:29Is this happening?
09:30Tell us what happened last night.
09:35I've been fighting for a long time.
09:37And, uh, I don't know, I love her and just, I don't know, I think I'm selfish.
09:48She's selfish.
09:52It's tit for tat.
09:55Keeping track of wrongs and it just gets exhausting and just, um,
10:04letting the little things get to me and getting irritated.
10:06Even though he's the perpetrator, he actually seems like he's trying to elicit some sympathy.
10:18But it's interesting because here he is accused of murdering her, yet he's talking negatively about some of her characteristics that he perceives.
10:28Tell us how it happened last night.
10:34Well, she found a bottle of vodka, um, after church.
10:41And, uh, she was just irate.
10:46I don't know why my family was coming.
10:47She wasn't talking to me at all.
10:49She wasn't, she, she gets so cold.
10:52Uh, and it hurts, and she's, she's a wonderful person, but she can really cut deep and, and is quick to call names.
11:05When he says her words hurt and, and she's so cold, it really seems like a, a narcissistic injury.
11:12His fragile ego is, is getting impaled by these cold words that she's saying.
11:17And when Johnson is constantly talking about what she was doing to him, he's trying to portray this, this victim scenario and he's trying to really, uh, curate what the detectives are thinking about him and saying,
11:32okay, this is a man who was at his wits end because his wife was trying to be overly controlling of him.
11:38She, um, she was going to leave.
11:45She was going to take all of her with, with her.
11:49And, um, I mean, she's threatened many times before.
11:54And, you know, she's even said before, do you think you'll get any custody?
11:59Do you think I'll get full custody?
12:02And, uh, she, you know, just really, and she's right.
12:08I mean, she has the card.
12:12No, I'll never see him again.
12:14Or her again.
12:17And I didn't, um, I didn't problem solve.
12:21I was getting angry and, and wanted some control.
12:24Oh, it didn't happen to Steve.
12:33I'll come back to that.
12:37I shouldn't have panicked.
12:40But then I'll have to live with that for the rest of my life, even if I could have gotten away.
12:46This is it.
12:47What's, what's going to be like this time around?
12:53He can't help but see things through the lens of his own interest.
12:59Because I think he's trying to come across as sympathetic by kind of acknowledging, like, oh, what have I done?
13:06But then it has that narcissistic overlay because it's told in that way of, like, I lost this, I lost this.
13:14As opposed to, like, what have I done to her family?
13:18But he just can't help himself.
13:19He just can't get out of his own point of view.
13:22So back to that.
13:29So she's, um, trying to pack all of her and get his shoes on.
13:35And it's, it's heinous.
13:37It's despicable.
13:40It's gruesome.
13:41It's, it's uncomprehensible.
13:47It happened so fast.
13:48I just, I just wanted to threaten her.
13:51I wanted, I wanted to help some, have a car to my sleep, too.
13:58It's over.
13:59Family and job and life and house and fun cars and freedom.
14:09Um, it's done.
14:15But, uh, do not focus on me.
14:23She's like, I should have done this a long time ago.
14:26I know the type of person you are.
14:28I'm kind of hurt when insults left and right.
14:31I went to bedroom and grabbed a gun.
14:35She's not going to take my family away from me.
14:38And I want this to scare her and, or just, I don't know, feel, feel powerful.
14:46The truest things he said, the most kind of direct from the psychopath's mouth,
14:55I was angry.
14:56I wanted some control.
14:58And, and sort of, well, she had the card.
15:01I think the baby represented sort of a, a trophy in a way.
15:06Like, he didn't want her to be able to exert that kind of mastery over the situation.
15:12You know, if anybody's going to be in control, it, it's supposed to be him.
15:18And, uh, I think that's what he found difficult to tolerate.
15:24And I was in the bathroom and she was in the other room and as she walked by for the last time
15:31to get Oliver from his room, that's when I pulled the trigger.
15:39Where did you shoot her?
15:42Oh, man.
15:46And what did you do?
15:48I couldn't even believe it.
15:51And she just buckled.
15:53I hit the floor.
15:55At what point did you bring her into the bathroom and cut her out?
15:58Right away.
16:00Put her in the tub, yeah.
16:01A shower there.
16:03What did you use to cut her out?
16:07A circular saw.
16:08When, uh, when the, the skill saw wasn't working, that's when I took a break and, like, took Oliver and, um, was gonna get a, uh, a rotary saw.
16:21What all did you buy at Menards?
16:22The separation between what he does and his actions after, especially when he is in Menards, that just sticks out to me the most.
16:40And he doesn't look stressed.
16:44The level of callousness, the lack of, of responsibility or, or emotion that, that goes along with that is, is almost unfathomable.
16:53I actually, um, didn't know what to do, and that, this is where I panicked, and, um, I, uh, planned on trying to, to dispose of the body.
17:11Just, I mean, I thought, I've always been, you know, there's a good side of me and a bad side of me.
17:23And I just, I'm okay, how can I get away with this now?
17:33I put everything in the garage initially.
17:38I knew eventually, um, even soon, you know, I get questioned with my history.
17:47And, um, people are gonna wanna look around, um, so I had to, um, get him out of my house for at least, uh, I don't know, at least a while.
18:01But, um, so the only person I could think of, which now I was completely wrong, but he did the right thing, was Nate.
18:13It's a wonderful family.
18:21Please take care of Oliver.
18:24Please give him equal time between families.
18:29That was a big, that was a really big point of contention with my wife.
18:35And I, I, I took the two of us out of the picture.
18:39He's, I mean, saying you're sorry is, is, is, it's just words.
18:54He's talking at the end about, I'm sorry, just being words.
19:00But the way he has been talking throughout this entire interview seems like just words.
19:06It's not clear that there's remorse or true sorrow for what he has done.
19:12And there's no indication that Johnson has any amount of empathy for the pain that he has caused and will have caused his son as his son gets older and realizes what's happened.
19:23But also the pain that he's caused both families, whom he just described as wonderful.
19:28For psychopaths, they exist in the world solely seeking out their own interests.
19:38And so as long as somebody is serving their interests, they'll get the benefit of being treated sort of externally the way the person in that role would be treated.
19:50And so, i.e. in this case, he treated her like his wife, so long as she played the character of his wife in the way that he wanted and needed.
19:59But as soon as that stopped happening, the character to which she has no emotional connection now becomes expendable.
20:20In this case, it's really funny.
20:21This is what we saw.
20:22We saw him run.
20:23And he was on.
20:28We saw him run.
20:30He hit him.
20:34And look at his back and see what we saw.
20:40He hit him.
20:41I was going to see what he did.
20:43We saw him.
20:44He hit him.
20:45He hit him.
20:46He hit him.
20:47And he hit him.
20:48It was just that he hit him.
20:49He hit him.
20:50You
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